Old Hindi Film Music

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IIRC Geet gaata hoon main,gungunaata hoon main... is from Laal Patthar. And what about "honton pe aisi baat", also from Jewel Thief. SDB always had a soft corner for Navketan.

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Wow..Hoton pe aisi baat..absolute masterpiece. Especially at the end...so many differenet percussion instruments..brilliantly used. What an effort from SDB!
(But I believe RDB did Jewel Thief but SDB's name was more saleable then, hence was used.)

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There have always been these debates about whether SDB or RDB composed certain films, esp. Aradhana. A lot of RDB's earlier solo credits (e.g. Pyaar Ka Mausam, Bahaaron Ke Sapne) sound SDB'ish, but you can still make out his distinctive syncopations (remember Lata's "Main Na Miloongi", the first time I heard it, I thought my cassette had the mukhda/pallavi chopped off). Then, of course, he came to his own in the '70s, with increasing western influences. Interestingly, in the '70s, SDB sounded (IMO) RDB'ish in parts of his great score for Prem Nagar.

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A few of my recollections:

1. thU chupi hO kahA(n)- Navrang-CR
2. Many songs esp the one featuring a competition dance piece between Padmini and Vijayanthi in "Raj Thilak" ( Vanchi kOttai vAliban in Tamil) - CR again.
3. Snake Dance sequence by Waheeda in Guide - SDB
4. Many Salil's including the one in Chaya ( borrowed from Mozart)
5. Nagin - Hemanth Kumar
6. Moghal E Azam - Naushad
7. Many many many SDB's.
8. Sthree - CR again.

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"oy oy oy oo dhhayyara dhayaare chadh gayO paapi bichchua" from madhumati is another song with fine orchestration.

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I was listening to "O Meri Soni" from "Yaadon Ki Baarath" yesterday. This song came immediately after "Lekar hum deewana dil" from the same movie and what a contrast !!! "Lekar Hum" had a beautiful congo rhythm pattern, good guitar pieces and freaky prelude and interludes and brilliant too. "O Meri" had guitar and violin prelude mixed beautifully to sound melodious and soft/romantic . The violin cascades wonderfully for KK to start the pallavi. Freshness , innovation , unpredicatability (this is a compliment!! You find some chorus / some instrumental piece chipping in ,most unexpectedly and perfectly in tune with the base melody flow), thy name is RD Burman.
Bharath, strictly IMO he did not sound all that SDB-ish in his early ventures, if at all, it could be owing to the reason that he functioned as the arranger for most SDB movies in the late sixties including Aradhana. During the early 70's, one could notice significant usage of triple congos mixed beautifully with gypsy. No wonder you had such adorable, soft beats in songs like "Chura liya" , "Hum dono do premi","Ek Ajnabhee haseena se". What do you guys think of the wonderfully innovative female chorus in "Hum Bewafaa" sung by KK ?

I am sure ARR took a leaf out of RDB's book , imbibed his spirit for innovation and therefore sounded so fresh in his early assignments.

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Is "Hum Bewafaa" the one with the tribal chorus? Great song. Sriram, I was just pointing out that there was a lot of overlap between SDB-ism and RDB-ism early on, and this is a great compliment. Another really terrfic RDB number -- Pyaar Ne Dil Pe Maar Di Goli", with all those bullets whizzing past. Completely nutty number, typical RDB style, that has you smiling and appreciative at the same time. Besides ARR, Jatin-Lalit have an avowed debt to RDB, as can be made out from their music. After years of LP orchestral overdose, what a relief it is to hear their minimalist music!

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Oh! Sriram you mean the "jumbaalaalaahoo jumbaalaalaahoo phurr phurrr" background? I never cease to wonder at that song! Wherever did he think of that kind of a chorus from!

I havent heared of this "pyaar nE dil pE maar di gOli" song. Which movie was this from? (unfortunately those words reminded me of a recent Govinda-Raveena song "akhiyOn sE gOli maarE" :-)))))

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Bull, that's from a Amitabh film, early '80s, can't recall the name.

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Bharath, bull bingo!That was the song I was referring to. Talking of chorus in RDB songs, there is a song rendered by our own SPB, "Aaja..Aaja meri..." which had a very well positioned female chorus. This was one of RDB's attempts to change the very structure of Indian film songs which traditionally had a prelude,pallavi,anupallavi, BGM, charanam, pallavi, BGM,stanza....etc.And very innovative melody flow. SPB never fails to sing this song in his live programs in the Middle East, North India.

Discussing orchestration, one has to bring in the Shankar-Jaikishan duo. More than anything else, I liked their usage of violins / bass. Listen to the prelude music in "Yeh Raath Bheegi Bheegi" from "Chori Chori". Likhe jo Khath Tujhe, sung by Rafi , had superb violin pieces.The second interlude is the one to watch!!! You had two sets of violin playing counter melodies , one of them ceases with the other one climaxing to set the build-up for the charaNam. "Tu Bemisaal Hai Teri Tareef Kya karoon" sung by Rafi can be bracketed with the above song. Super usage of violins again.

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I remember a KJY song "maanaa hO tum bEhad haseen" as having impressed me. Who was the MD?

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bull,
bappi lahiri, can u believe it? he has scored a number of great songs, but is unfortunately remembered as a band baaja guy.
teri choti si ek bhool
char din ki zindagi
maana ho tum (starring Elizabethan director)
zid na karo
are all bappi's gems for yesudas.

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SL: Having started oN S-J, I plead with you to give them their due place in HFM history by discussing them in detaiL here.I feel we have been unfair to this duo by not considering them for a deeper discussion whereas lesser lights like K-A , L-P and even Sardar Malik have been appreciated. They have their share of melodies and as far as orchestration goes, I feel they were the best, SDB and Salilda being close competitors. What say?

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Bull: That AB film was "Mahaan".

Sorry to take away from the SJ slant at this stage (and Raj, sorry, to bring in a "lesser light" here ;-)), but has anyone heard LP's "prem hai kya ek aansoo" from Prem Kahani. What an absolutely unusual beat played on the tabla. And does one need to say how soulful MR can get with a sad song about love! Can anyone say what "thaalam" it is?

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Why this lull? EngE ellArum?

S-J, in my opinion, were awesome the first few years of their career - Aah, Sree 420, Avara, Kanhaiya, Basant Bahar, Chori-chori, Seema, Barsaat, Love Marriage, Professor - to name a few. Unfortunately, after Jaikishen's demise, the SJ music started going downhill, being pretty unbearable towards the end..

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Nalini: Did Shankar compose any music after the demise Jaikishen? I never knew that.

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SRK, yes, Shankar continued to compose music after Jaikishen passed away, under the same banner. If my memory serves me right, Jaikishen died sometime between Brahmachari and Andaz. I forget the movies with "S-J" music that came after Andaz, but the quality steadily deteriorated.

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Wasn't Kal aaja aur kal a decent effort by Shankar..
Ek din bk jaayega ..

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Raj, Ek din bk jaayega is from "Dharam Karam" (MD : RD Burman). But yes, Kal Aaj aur Kal was a good effort.
Raj, I will try and post something on S-J tomorrow.

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SL:Tomorrow never comes ;-))))

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For the fans of Hindi music/ KJY's voice:

Please visit:

http://members.xoom.com/shatjam (http://members.xoom.com/shatjam
)

I have uploaded many songs of KJY's golden hindi hits(14) in good audio quality. G2 player needed.

[Oldposts]

Hi, Murali:

Great work. Keep it up!! BTW, the MD for TRISHUL was Khayyam.

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Thanks GV. I shall modify it.

I am thinking of uploading:

(1) Salil da's goldies - part 1 and 2
(2) KJY's goldies - part 2

what do you think of the following mallu songs ?

(1) aaraattukadavingal
(2) ini onnu paadu
(3) mayuram jeevamrutha bindhu
(4) kaLippattumayi
(5) ambalur
(6) manjum nilavum
(7) amme niladevi
(8) swargam chamachatum
(9) vaalkannezhutiya
(10)pavizha manjalil
(11)manasil ninnum
(12)manjadi manikondu
(13)raappadi kelunnuvo

All of KJY. I may be uploading them within a week.

Regards

MS

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Murali:

The Malayalam selections are good. In Hindi, KJY had several great songs which were not included in any of the "hits" or "goldies" albums. If you are interested, I'll be happy to provide you with a list.

Regards.

[Oldposts]

GV:

Please mail me the same. I will be happy to receive it. Also indicate where it may be possible to get them.

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MS: Could you upload Padmarajan-IR songs and also Yatra songs?

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Raj:

As I had already said I am in the process of buying CDs. As and when I get the CDs, I will upload them. Is there a pamarajan - IR combo ? Can you list down the films so that I can try cyber shopping at India plaza ? Also mention about the songs in Yatra.

The best person I feel to get me such good lists is GV. If he accepts helping me through, I may become successful in builidng the largest website for the trilingual collection. In the meanwhile, visit:

http://shatjam.webjump.com (http://shatjam.webjump.com
)

to get the mp3 versions of GURU.

Regards

MS

[Oldposts]

HI guys,
I have a good collection of old hindi songs.
Please do visit here
http://members.tripod.com/drbalaji96 (http://members.tripod.com/drbalaji96
)

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Hello Friends,

My name is Dilip, and I am looking for two hindi movies, to buy them.
May be you could help me find them.
The two movies are :

Patal Nagri (b/w) - Azad (filmcompany Eagle) directed by Ramkumar Bohra 1963

Maya Jaal (b/w) - Randjen (filmcompany ?) directed by Babubhai Mistri 1962

I hope you can help me find them.

With greetings,

Dilip

[Oldposts]

lata turns 70.
http://www.rediff.com/entertai/1999/sep/lata/lata.htm

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Hai,
I want to know "dil milte yanha milke bichadane ko" which movie is it. Is it sharmili. Please answer me, i want to buy that casset.

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Shailaja, yes it is from Sharmeelee - sung by both Lata and Kishore, separately.

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Hi! I am Vikas from Baroda/Gujarat,I would like to know if there is any site for old hindi music to listen for the singers like Pankaj Mullic,K.L.
Saigal,Karan Diwan,Surendra,Kanan Devi etc. etc.
If there is any site. Pl. suggest me.
Thanks..
Vikas

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Recently I have become a new fan of the famous Kanan Devi's music. Her old songs - even older than "Tufan Mail" appealed to me. She has a serious voice which could be considered as a guide to a modern singer in India.
Email to dkkapasi@academicplanet.com
for your comments on my comment about Kanan Devi.
Does anyone know what she was, who she was, and when she died, if she did at all?

[Oldposts]

Hi,
Can someone tell me which film the song, 'kajra mohabbatwala' is from?
Jyothi

[Oldposts]

Hi,
Can someone tell me which film the song, 'kajra mohabbatwala' is from?
Jyothi

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Hi,
Can someone tell me which film the song, 'kajra mohabbatwala' is from?
Jyothi

[Oldposts]

"Kajra mohabbatwala' is from - movie KISMAT. Hero was Vishwajeet. It was a hit because of another hit song - "Aankhon mein kayamat ke kajal, Hotho pe gazab ki lali hai..."

[Oldposts]

Can someone tell me the film from which the song 'thandi hawaayen' is from, the singer and also a possible source of this song in mp3 format, an FTP site is fine with me.

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It is from the movie Kismat (1968)
sung by Asha Bhonsle and Shamshad Begum

[Oldposts]

Song Thandi hawaayen is from the film Naujawaan
sung by Lata Mangeshkar

[Oldposts]

thanx, aman.

[Oldposts]

Article on Naushad from Deccan herald - 9th April 2000:

font size = 5>Looking for that perfect tune

NIKHIL GAJENDRAGADKAR meets Naushad Ali, the grand old man of
Hindi film music, and talks about the octagenarian`s favourite subject - music

''HOW can one expect good music in Hindi film now. Now film industry is controlled by those who are not related to the soil of India. They are not concerned with Indian culture, common man on the street, people who sweat in the fields, or in a factory. These new 'film people` are only concerned with money.``

Legendary music director Naushad Ali expresses his anguish over the present state of the Hindi film industry. Naushad turned 81 on 25th December 1999. To celebrate his birthday a musical group from Pune had organised a programme based on his hit film songs. This was the reason Naushad was in Pune. And I got an opportunity to interview him exclusively. I consider myself fortunate for in the span of ten years, I was able to meet him twice. The years have taken their toll. Ten years ago he was only 70 years old. Then his latest film 'Aawaz De Kahan Hai` was just released. He was very optimistic about the success of the film.

The film and its music went unnoticed. But even now Naushad Ali is still enthusiastic about his favourite subject - Music. Speaks in chaste 'Lakhanavi Urdu`. His memory does not fail him. He can recount incidents from the early 30s too; rarely forgets a name. He stayed away from the glamorous and 'showy` even in his heydays; he is a simple man even today, living in the realm of music.

When he says 'Money means many things but not everything` he speaks the truth. In his life Naushad never worked just to earn money. Even at the height of his career, he used to accept only one or two films at a time. He used to consider the story, whether it had any good chance to use Indian classical music, the director, actors, etc. Then a long discussion with the lyricist used to take place. ''Then good poets like Majruh Sultanpuri, Shakeel Badauni and the likes were writing poetry of high standard for films`` he tells us. After days of rehearsals Naushad`s song would get ready for recording.

''Now there is no story in our films. What comes as a 'story` is revenge, violence, sex. Naturally poetry ('Kaavya`) has no place in films. Songs are replete with 'double meaning`, obscene words, & actor`s actions, matching words. Where is the place for good music? Everybody wants to imitate western music,`` says Naushad with a sense of dejection.

''In our times music director was considered 'expert` in his field. Nobody used to interfere in their job. Now apart from actors, even distributors, financiers come forward to give some 'advice` to music director to 'improve` music. What is this? 'Put that new tune` 'do something like Michael Jackson`. This way our film music can`t improve, it will deteriorate further,`` the octogenarian becomes a little angry.

''Our music is created by gods. Innumerable combinations with seven notes (Swaras) are possible. The 'Raag` system is unique in the world and yet we are forgetting our music, our rich heritage. Westerners hold our music in high esteem and we are mindlessly aping their cheap 'Pop` music; that is a sad part of the story.``

When Naushad criticises present day Hindi film music, he has every right to do so. He has been 'in the industry` for over five decades. He has witnessed changes in film industry, film music. In fact he is one of those people who has changed the face of Hindi film music.

On the streets of Mumbai

Music was his first love. But music was a taboo in 'good households` then. And then there was choice to be made; family and house or music. Naushad left his home and arrived in Mumbai at the age of hardly 17-18. He had heard that streets of Mumbai are covered with gold. But the reality proved otherwise and Naushad found himself sleeping on a footpath. They were very hard days and nights. It was very difficult to find work in the field of film music. Months passed by. Disappointed Naushad was about to stop the search for an opportunity in the film world when Lady Luck stepped in.

Naushad became a piano player earning Rs 40 per month as the salary. Mushtak Husain was the music director. Then he met Manoher Kapoor, a music composer and Sardar Chandulal Shah a renowned film producer. He appointed Naushad as a music composer for his 'Ranjit Movitone`. The salary was Rs. 75 a month. The going was good. But ill health forced Naushad to leave Ranjit.

The First Film

After a few months of joblessness, a film came his way. 'Prem Nagar` was Naushad`s first film as a music director. A dream fulfilled. After that film, Naushad never looked back. He worked for 'Kardar Productions`, did films with Mehboob Khan, Nitin Bose, nearly all major production houses were after him. 'Anmol Ghadi` and 'Ratan`, his two early films outside Kardar productions, created history.

''In those days we (music directors) had to strive to do something different. Nearly all music directors were experts, knowledgeable in the field of music. They knew the intricacies of 'Sur`, 'Taal` and 'Raaga`. Everybody was composing his 'own` music; that is why we see a personal stamp on their music. Our source of creating film music was pure music itself``, explains Naushad.

Whose song is it....?

''Now every music composer is imitating somebody, their source is casettes of western music. They twist a tune a little and produce a song. 'How many films per year` has become more important than 'what kind` of music. We took composing quite seriously, it was a profession, yes, but now it is just a business. That is the reason, you can`t make out who has composed which song.``

Naushad differentiates music, 'then' and 'Now'.

1942 to 1965 is called as the 'Golden Period` of Hindi film music. Some state 1945 to 1975 as the best period. But certainly it is not beyond that. 'Quality` and not 'Quantity` was the key word. Naushad himself has only 68 films and two tele serials to his credit. But one cannot forget his songs from 'Andaaz` or 'Aan` even today. 'Baiju bavara`, 'Mere Meheboob` are also unforgettable because of his music.

Naushad is the first and perhaps the only one who has preserved the notation of his all songs. This dicipline enabled producers and Naushad himself to re-record, music, songs etc. 'Aan` is the first Hindi and Indian film which had rerecorded its entire music including background, in a London studio. Complete notation of 'Aan` and his other films` music (including background) were published in a book form, and separate records.

Naushad for the first time introduced a special technique of recording musical instruments with as much weight as that of singer`s voice. Fifty-five years ago sound recording techniques wae quite primitive and his technique was path breaking. Naushad was the first music director to use a 100 piece orchestra for a film (Aan).

Naushad loves Indian classical music; he has created many melodious songs. But at the same time he is not known for any experiments in music. When asked about it, his reply was, ''what do you mean by experiment ? I can`t quite understand your question. If structure of a 'Raag` is fixed, what change can you bring? All right, you may experiment with music, but you should not deface the face of a raag or music itself.`` His thoughts on the subject are clear and simple, too.

Experiments

''In the past I also did some experiments, like using human voice as an orchestra in 'Udan-Khatola` - (Song - More Sainyaji utarenge Paar). There was a film called 'Jadoo` (1951) which was based on the story of 'Carmen`. Then for that film I used Spanish instruments, tunes. That was too an experiment.``

But he avoids answering questions related to 'scale change` or using different 'Swar` as basic 'Shadaja` or 'Sa` (In Hindustani music the system is called as 'Moorchanabhed`). Sajjad Husain, Anil Biswas, Jaidev, in some parts C Ramachandra, did many experiments boldly. But with or without experiment, Naushad was successful enough in popularising nearly all his songs, that is a great achievement.

One must remember here, that in those days a normal Hindi film could have songs from 7 to 12, plus background music. Naushad used to keep ready the notation for all songs and background. It was very hard work. But that made him not only popular but a legend.

And one cannot forget Naushad`s contribution in popularising Indian classical music among general public. This music was confined to Royal Courts and few highbrow houses; he took this music to the common man, who could 'hum` these songs. He used western musical instruments, Indian instruments, a combination of both, but always the music was pure Indian. His only brush with Western music in 'My Love` proved disasterous and is best forgotten. Naushad`s songs earn millions of rupees for the record companies even today, that is ample proof of his music`s popularity in times when we are talking about western influence on music.

Immortal Music

Naushad Ali`s music is still listened to, it will remain popular in the times to come. Yet he himself is not satisfied. He is still planning to cut a record of non filmi songs with newcomers. ''I have not given my best. It is yet to come. I cannot point to a song, a tune, that can make me proud,`` says Naushad.

This passion for the best keeps Naushad going. His unquenched thirst makes his and our lives a happy and 'note`worthy life.

[Oldposts]

to anyone,
can u pl. let me know the film names of the foll oldie songs:

yeh hawa yeh nadi ka kinaara --

chanda re jaa re jare


kahin jhoom jhoom raat hey suhaani(lata) --


thanx.

[bollystreet]

http://www.smashits.com

[vaishali_pupul]

:lol:

[garytros]

Hello everyone.

Does anyone know the name of the song that Behula sings when she is trying to have her husband returned to life?

Any ideas how I might obtain a recording of that song? , or a translation in English? (I have found where to get the film.)

I am comparing the somewhat similar Western story--Orfeo and Euridice--with the Indian version and would be interested in any information.

Thank you.

Gary

[Mohammed Yawaruddin Ahmed]

Here is the answer for vijay@129's question.
1. Yeh hawa yeh nadi ka kinara-- Film :Ghar sansaar, Music : Ravi
2. Chanda ray jaray jaray-- Film : Ziddi , Music : Khemchand Prakash
3. Kahey jhoom jhoom raat yeh suhani-- Love Marriage, Music : Shanker & Jaikishen

Regards
Mohammed Yawaruddin Ahmed

[ramsri]

seems like a great congregation of hindi music lovers here ! also seems like i popped in about 20 pages too late. anyway ...

anyone heard the song "Shaam Dhale Khidki Tale" ?
i want to know the name of the film.

[ramsri]

a few personal favourites:

1. Deewana Hua Badal - Rafi & Asha (easily one of the greatest pieces of hindi music ever composed)

2. Ajeeb Dastan Hei Yeh (great lyrics, especially the lines :

"Mubarakein tumhe ki tum, kisi ke noor ho gaye ,
Kisi ke itne paas ho, ki sabse duur ho gaye " !!!

3. Aa chalke tujhe main leke chaloon (Kishore)

4. Tere mere sapne ab ek rang hain (Rafi)

5. Chookar mere man ko (Kishore at his best)

[mohan kumar]

I am a new comer. I am interested in old hindi songs.I am very eagar to listen to lathaji jothe se lag dhanuma from film Bhabhi ki chudiyan. it is in raag bhupali.can any one sugest a site where i can listen.

mohan kumar

[tom]

i really want to listen to "tumse hi ghar ghar kahalaya" from the movie Bhabhi ki chudiyan(1961).
Does anyone have any idea where i can listen to it, thnx

[lordstanher]

Hi,
'wondering if ne-one cud help me track this old Hindi song (maybe '50s) I heard long ago......
I don't rem. exactly who the singers r (I think Lata & chorus...?) or the music dir. or name of the movie....
The 1st line I rem. goes like this:
"Banke panchi yoon asmaan churana...."
The last line goes like:
"Jhume dharti....jhume asmaan....jhume asmaan".......

Wud be glad if ne-one cud provide me the details...atleast name of the movie so I can find it on one of the music sites online! Tks! :D

[Sudarshan C R]

Hello lardstanher

The hindi song 'banke panchi' is from the film Anari (may be in 1959)
It is a chorus song with Lathaji. The song is available here on this link- page 11- happy listening (though incomplete song)

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?s=9820d9bc3e360d1874e5ff4d77c9d29a&p=3330493#post3330493

[lordstanher]

Hello lordstanher
The hindi song 'banke panchi' is from the film Anari (may be in 1959)
It is a chorus song with Lathaji. The song is available here on this link- page 11- happy listening (though incomplete song)
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?s=9820d9bc3e360d1874e5ff4d77c9d29a&p=3330493#post3330493

Hello Sudarshan,
Many tks for the info.! Looks like I cudn't rem. the lyrics too well either! :?
Neways, I've found the full song at raaga.com:

http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/h000084/anari-(1959).htm

Happy listening! :D

[lordstanher]

Hi again,
Can neone tell me the name of the movie w/ this song: "Ek akela is sheher mein".......it seems to be from the late '70s & has Amol Palekar in it.......I only heard this song on the radio & saw it just once on TV long time ago......I rem. the tune of the first few lines but not the lyrics or the singer!
So wud be grateful if neone cud furnish me w. the details as I found it to be a rather nice song!
Thanks! :D

[Sudarshan C R]

Hello lordstanher,

The song 'Ek akela is shehar mein' is from the film 'gharonda'
sung by Bhupinder during 1977.
The song is available here on Raaga.com, the link is:
http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/h000280/gharonda.htm

[lordstanher]

Many tks again Sudershan! :D
Incidentally, I rem. hearing even the tune of the other song in this movie many times on radio yrs ago.......!

[Surya]

The only old hindhi album I"ve listened to is "Aradhana" I still haven't heard an album to beat it. :D

[Sudarshan C R]

Hello Surya,

Not only Aradhana, there are numerous hindi films having melodious music with beautiful lyrics released during 1960,1970,1980's. Such as Andaz (1949) Bobby (1973)
Naseeb (1981) Kashmir ki kali (1964) Sholay (1975) and also
Sangam, Seetha aur Geetha, Mere nam joker, Milan, Teesri manzil,
Khilona and many mooooooooooooore. The list goes on.
Some of the list of films, songs, music directors, lyricists
are available here:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~navin/india/songs/