IR New Albums - Ver 2006

[tmrrmt]

and so is 'Thankanthingal' - oh Man, amazing!! reminds me of the playful Raja of Netrikkann with subtle twists and turns in the interludes!!

[tmrrmt]

and now "Marakkudaayal"!! wats happening ?! and I have not even started with 'Rasathanthiram' - isai mazhai - my goodness! i have not even recovered from 'Dheemi Dheemi' (Shiva)!

[tmrrmt]

'Varavelkumma' from 'pachakudhira' has shades of an earlier IR song - and me-thinks it is based on same Raga as that of 'yeh Rama yeh kyaa hua' from Rangeela (by ARR!)

[thumburu]

"Varavelkumo" is an awesome song and it is IR's favourite Mayamalavagowlai/Sarasangi based. The beats are quite catchy.
Even "Oru chiri kandaal" falls into the same Mayamalavagowlai scale

[kingvj]

Listen to 'Chendakkoru' from Manasinakkare and 'Thevaram Nokkunnunde' from Rasathanthram. IR at his one of his exhuberent, playful moods. Malayalam is something which inspires IR for sure. I am looking for more mallu collections from IR.

[Hulkster]

Kadhal Arangam teaser trailor has been released at cinesouth.com...they say IR's violin's capture the mood of the trailor well.

[krish244]

The trailer is also available at

http://www.behindwoods.com/features/Trailers/trailers1/videos/kadhal-arangam.wmv

IR has used the track from "How to name it" album from the trailer. I think its the "You cannot be free track".

Thanks,

Krishnan

[vem]

A movie that has nudity thru out. Very vulgar movie and I dont know if IR has gone mad or what ?

These directors use sex/exposure as a weapon thru out and then pose a question that we done respect love :)

Crappy movie !!! Censor should ban such movies as these are total porn stuff.....

[irir123]

even I find the trailer disturbing!

[Hulkster]

Yeah.. i think IR must have been impressed by the script..but after looking at the screenplay he must have been shocked. I believe IR himself asked velu to cut certain scenes since they were very disgusting.

The track is Is it fixed from how to name it.

[vel]

kingvj

what about "thamara kuruvikku" and "swasathin thaalam" in achchuvinte amma"?

Very contrasting tunes but highly captivating !!

[rajasaranam]

I saw an AD of the album release of the movie 'DesiyaParavai' in todays Dinathanthi. Music by Raaja and director is that loose BabuGanesh. :argh: The Ad gave much prominence to Vadivelu as having been acted in nine different roles. The images of vadivelu seemed as though from Kaadhalan Period. Is it movie done ten years ago and trying to see the limelight due to Vadivelu's recent stardom with Imsai.
Hmm lets wait and see for the audio. If its really from early nineties then there should be some gems waiting to be unearthed 8-)

Also the Ad for Shiva-2o06 dubbed version titled Udhayam2006 was up last friday. I watched the movie in hindi and Its a total DUD. No way near the Shiva of 80's or Satya/Company of the 90's. Even Linguswamy,Hari, Charan or Perarasu or any other Telugu/Tamil Director could have made a better racy and commercial movie about One man Against the System :notworthy: RGV is run out GAS :cry: Another Wasted Effort for Raaja :cry:

[vem]

Velu Prabaragan, director of Kadhal Arangam says that it is neither a sex movie nor blue film. Instead, it has been made for youngters with many messages for them.

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/shirley.html

He insists that it is a family entertainer and also that he brings many hidden/covert news to light :) May be that is the lead actress herself :)

[buggle]

Glad to hear how much people in TN love our maestro..(next to Rajni and Kamal)

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/oct-06-01/02-10-06-rajini-kamal.html

[sudhakarg]

Jaya TV re-telecasted a program called "kalakka pOvadhu Kamal" this week. (I was seeing this for the first time). During the show, Kamal mentioned about how IR composed "paarththa vizhi paarththa padi" (guNa). The situation as narrated by Kamal was that he wanted a pulambal song like "Kaavaa vaa vaa, Kandhaa Vaa Vaa", and IR came up "paarththa vizhi paarththa padi".

The genius of IR is that he can be inspired by an old song, and give a totally new song that brings back only the emotion of the old song!!

The complete excerpt from the show can be read at http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1127

[Renault]

Guess who is more popular after Rajini and Kamal today?

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/oct-06-01/02-10-06-rajini-kamal.html

WOW!!!

[irir123]

Guys, I have been listening to IR's albums in Malayalam!
I am ZAPPED! Oh my Good God! this is incredible stuff!!

Pls do listen to "Poomukhappadyyil Ninneum Kaathu (1986)", esp the Jesudoss solo "Poonkattinode Kilikal" - that is vintage, i mean VINTAGE IR with bass lines, strings and a silkily smooth melody!!

guys, I plead and beg, let us all contribute some money and take it up with IR to come up with some kind-of a creative album!! we JUST CANT AFFORD to let his Genius waste away!!

[irir123]

and the song mentioned above is in the range of "Nenjathai Killadhey" and "Eera Vizhi Kaaviyangal" !!! need I say more ??!

[k_vanan]

IR new movie
http://www.dinamani.com/Cinema/CineItems.asp?ID=DNC20061002141534&Title=Cinema+%2D+News&lTitle=%F9Nn%A7Ls

[Hulkster]

Mr vanan antha article englishil summarise penna mudiyuma...yenakku dinamani font kideiyaathu :exactly: :ty:

[k_vanan]

Movie title: Pasumponn Thevar

this is real life story of Pasumponn muthuramalingam thevar. debutant Venghai Marban will act and handle direction for this movie, he is former sabanayagar kalimuthu son. Since this story related to Nethaji charactor, maybe Saratkumar will play that role. Leading actress will be considering.

[k_vanan]

Movie title: Pasumponn Thevar

this is real life story of Pasumponn muthuramalingam thevar. debutant Venghai Marban will act and handle direction for this movie, he is former sabanayagar kalimuthu son. Since this story related to Nethaji charactor, maybe Saratkumar will play that role. Leading actress in searching.

[Hulkster]

Oh another historical movie in IR's list then..:clap:...nandri mr vanan :clap:

[Cinefan]

http://sify.com/movies/malayalam/fullstory.php?id=14304007

Another historical movie for IR-A Malayalam one with the team of Writer M.T.Vasudevan nair,Director Hariharan&Actor Mammotty.

[Hulkster]

Cinefan great news...this film has ample scope for
IR to give his trademark BGM plus ravi varman is doing cinematography..times are looking great indeed :bluejump: :redjump:

[krish244]

An interview of Sudesh Bhosle (hindi singer) in Rediff:

http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/oct/04sudesh.htm

Since Sudesh Bhosle sang "Jumma Chumma" (movie:HUM) for Amitabh, he has almost become the default singer for songs picturised on Amitabh. I was really curious if IR used this guy for "Cheeni Kum" and looks like he has. This is what Sudesh Bhosle has to say about IR:

"What are the other movies we should keep in mind to hear your songs?

(deleted)...I must say I have been extraordinarily lucky that I could sing for composer Ilayaraja. He is one of our most esteemed composers. He is the composer for Chini Kam starring Amitabhji and Tabu."

I am curious to know how IR has tuned for an Amitabh movie. No idea when the audio is getting released.

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Guess Sudesh has already sung for IR (probably he is not aware). The song is the hindi version of "Nila adhu vaanathu mele" (Nayagan) song.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/s/music_director.504/

Search for "Sudesh"

thanks,

Krishnan

[thumburu]

This year, I was fortunate to enjoy a hearty onam sadhya at Ernakulam and as is customary there, all these kinda festivities are always accompanied by mandatory light music competitions galore. Believe me!!! :)) I won a prize too for singing IR's "kaatril varum geethame" [minus the swaras. No time to learn them though] from ONOK. Most of these competitions are never complete without IR's recent Mallu hits. The mostly sung songs are "endhu paranjaalum" [ "achuvinte amma" ], "attinkaraiyorathu" and "poo kumkuma poo" [ rasathanthram"], "oru chiri kandaal" .

[Hulkster]

Thumburu does malayalam have deep respect for IR? Thats good to hear that you won the competition. Perhaps we can email IR to put you as his next introduced talent. :D

[Shankar]

>>>>>
Thumburu does malayalam have deep respect for IR?
<<<<<

Believe me, He's worshipped there by many. konjananjama hits kuduthirukkAr angE !! If he were as consistent in tamil as he were in mallu, we wud've had at least 2-3 good albums from Raja every year.

[Hulkster]

Thats great to hear...i do know malayalees do like IR's music but i did not know that it was that much :D

As for tamil, Well IR focusses on the BGM more than the songs nowadays unless its a kamal film or a film with a entirely new script. We can hope myshkin and cheran inspire him to give us good albums.

[thumburu]

Hulkister , it is the simple , catchy melody in these songs plus the hit status of these films that have made the general public there hum these IR tunes. But it is not only IR tunes that are sung there. I was impressed by a singer Venugopal in MFM . Listen to the Anandhabhairavi song "aadadi aadaadadi aalilakiLiye" . He sounds like our good old JC.

[realactivex]

Does anybody here have an update on the telugu movie Hope. Obviously it is an offbeat movie and might not generate the music in the cash registers. But, it is a very different subject and I am sure our IIR would have come with stunning tunes.
Someone posted that the BGM of Hope is available on the net. I am trying to trace that post. Could anybody please send me the link to HOPE BGM.
best regards

[irir123]

Venugopal also renders "sharadendu padi" in IR's 'Kaliyoonjalu' besides KJY

[rajaalltheway]

RAJA COMPOSING MUSIC FOR THE NEXT HARIHARAN-MT-MAMMOOTY MAGNUM OPUS "PAYYAMPALLY CHANDU".

[Shankar]

that's an interesting news...If the new movie is half as good as vadakkan veeragAthA, Raja will have blast !

[thumburu]

But what ever happened to those earlier announcements like TVC's???

[irir123]

"vadakkan veeragAthA" - that was/is an awesome movie!

[realactivex]

Guys,
Not sure if i ought to post it here, but i was thinking hard on IR gems where the charanam leads onto the pallavi. Eg Shiva 2006 - dheemi dheemi song.
I know of one telugu song Nirantaramu vasanthamule from vamsi movie Preminchu pelladu. Not as great as the dheemi dheemi effect.
I still feel so bad and sometimes angry on the northies to have let down a gem of a song

[realactivex]

Continuing my earlier post. Anyone has a list of songs where the charanam leads onto the pallavi in a single flow?

[vigneshram]

This week's issue of Anandha vikatan has an article about Raja and his grandson Yatheeshwar.
It's got great pictures of Raja in a playful mood.
It's interesting to know that, Raja who has a very strict school headmaster image among the singers ( exact words used by Singer Shreenivas, when I interviewed him), gets transformed into a kid when he is with Yatheeswar.
He sings "Janani janani" for the kid and even plays "Harry potter" theme music for him in piano.
Real lucky young kid, Yatheeshwar is. I envy him

[rajaalltheway]

Ayya used to play a lot with Venkat Prabhu and the very little Manoj(BRs son)

[Sanjeevi]

This week's issue of Anandha vikatan has an article about Raja and his grandson Yatheeshwar.
It's got great pictures of Raja in a playful mood.
It's interesting to know that, Raja who has a very strict school headmaster image among the singers ( exact words used by Singer Shreenivas, when I interviewed him), gets transformed into a kid when he is with Yatheeswar.
He sings "Janani janani" for the kid and even plays "Harry potter" theme music for him in piano.
Real lucky young kid, Yatheeshwar is. I envy him

Yeah, very nice article :D

[itsmuls]

Shiva (Hindi) music has been released in Tamil as Udhyam 2006. Quite interesting....

can hear at http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/tamil/s/movie_name.8665/

[K]

http://swamis-den.blogspot.com/index.html tons of old photos of raja

[NormalMan]

http://www.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/16102006-1.shtml

[rajaalltheway]

Satyan Anthikads new film announced.. starring DILEEP, music ofcourse ISAIGNAnI ILAIYARAJA

[rajaalltheway]

my god...make it ISAIGNANI

[rajaalltheway]

dudes anybody saw the 'KAADAL ARANGAM' trailer.Only god knows what made ayya say yes to such stinking sleaze.The violin masterpieces in the promo is simply outstanding but the scenes are cheapest you can imagine.God save the King

[kingvj]

That trailer music was from HTNI.. track 'Study for Violin', based on Thyagaraja krithi 'Thulasi dhala mulache'.

[Sanjeevi]

Kadhal arangam?

I won't expect this kind of junk movies

Lets welcome to

Maya Kannadi
Inimey Naangathan
Naan Kadavul
Nandhalala

The above movies will sure hit the silver screens rather than some rabbish movies accepted by our IR.

[Shankar]

An interesting remix/rap of Raja's Madai thirandhu...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbBsDOzxZlU

[irir123]

Guys - listening to HJ's 'uyirilae' from Vettaiyadu, gives me the 'oh- butterfly' from Meera effect - dont know why, maybe it is the way chords have been placed/used or the melody - maybe am wrong completely

[K]

http://www.cinemaexpress.com/interview/interview1.asp

[krish244]

On how many occassions have SPB sung for IR? Anyone knows?

Thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Okay...just wanted to clarify. I mean, IR acting and SPB giving voice for him.

Thanks,

Krishnan

[Sanjeevi]

HI Krishnan :lol:

one song is Madai thiranthu in which "Puthu ragam padaipathaley nanum iraivanae"

[Renault]

Looks like Thankar's Pallikooadam is the next movie signed by Maestro.

[krish244]

Yes Sanjeevi! I have seen (on TV I mean) that song probably a very long time ago that I did not even remember that IR appeared in that picturisation. I accidentally bumped into that song on youtube today, so thought let me check others memory here :). You got it spot on. The enthu shown by IR while singing (lip syncing) that song did match the zest in SPB's rendering. Probably IR was not very comfortable.

If you guys want to know the youtube link, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PucI_AZLaA0

thanks,

Krishnan

[kingvj]

IR had appeared in 'kalyaana maalai' song 'from Pudhu pudhu arthangal'.... i guess he was forced to.. as he tried his best to avoid looking at the camera but at the last split second, he would look into the camera while delivering the dialogue... the editor would be prompt to cut it at that point.

*** digression***

if anyone would hv noticed the thambura playing throughout the charanam in 'kaathirundhaen thaniye' (Raasa Magan) song, just to let u know that i too enjoyed it..!! for a normal love song, that too without any carnatic background requirement in the movie, IR using thambura to perfection was quite stunning.

**** end digression***

[kingvj]

guess we should start a thread on MDs appearing on-screen...!!!

[krish244]

Surprising that Rediff has reviewed the audio of "Udayam 2006" and has glorified IR (not kidding).

http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/oct/19udayam.htm

thanks,

Krishnan

[az_raja_fan]

I have a doubt about the beginning WCM piece in the song "elamala kattukkulla..." from the movie Nadodi Thendral (an amazing song by the way - how IR mixes Folk Music with WCM. Total genius). Is it IR's own or taken from the WCM bigges (Bach, Mozart etc.)

[kiru]

Wow..that sounds like a nice flute concerto with piano. I dont think this has been lifted from anybody else, in particular. For that matter, most of the instrument 'phrases' in IR's songs are very similar to their usage in a WCM composition. For eg. the bumble bee effect in the TIS. Yesterday, I was listening to Carmina Burana and switched to TIS, even my 5yr old son could see some similarities (basically the choral parts).

[kingvj]

.. that carmina burana was kinda remixed for thotti jaya theme, i feel.

[kingvj]

there is no mention of any song being used again (aanandha raagam, vidiya vidiya nadanam etc)... seems that the rediff reviewer has no idea whatsoever that the songs are reused, and that too in tamil again..!!!

[rajaalltheway]

[tscii:9070e0f20f]Vamsi-Ilayraja-Veturi film in the 2nd week of December

After a long time the golden trio, director Vamsi- music director Ilayraja and lyricist Veturi are working together for a film that will be released in the 2nd week of December. This yet-to-be-titled film starring Aryan Rajesh and Hamsanandini in the lead roles is jointly produced by Taati Satish and Jai Aarnala for EAPT banner. With the exception of two songs and the climax, the shooting part of the film has been completed. One of the songs will be shot near the Godavari river while the other will be a set song to be canned in Hyderabad. The audio of the film will be released shortly. Word has it that ‘Aa 7 Rojulu’ may be announced as the title of the film.

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[Vysar]

Good news for Raja fans. Raja is planning to release the sound track for Hey Ram!

Source:

http://www.dinakaran.com/dncgibin/kungumam.asp?imge=2006/oct/15/90

[Dragun]

Is this the background score also? IR delivered a magnificent score for this film.

[irir123]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DF7JqHMu4IE

Ilayaraja with Bollywood Singer Shreya Goshal in "Andrum Indrum Endrum Concert" at Madras - for the evergreen hit song Kaatril Enthan Geetham from 1980s

[raja_fan]

On Diwali day, there was a programme about IR on Amrita TV, a Malayalam channel which comes on Dish TV DTH. As I have subscribed to DishTV, I was lucky to see this half-an-hour programme.

The highlights were

1. IR spoke in fluent malayalam !

2. Directors Fazil, Sathyan Andhikad, Balu Mahendra spoke about IR.

3. Music director Johnson spoke about IR. Singers M.G.Sreenivasan and Chitra too.

4. They showed videos of IR spending his time in Tiruvannamalai, his mother's tomb in his native place etc.

[Vkrish]

There was already an episode about IR going on in Amrita TV
titled something like "Hiradayangalude Raja". I got oppurtunity to see two episodes (8 & 9), where M.G.Sreekumar interviewed the Maestro in Malayalam. The episode was fantastically shot where IR explained the usage of various percussion instruments with live demonstations... in Prasad studio. We could see purushotaman and other purcussion players giving a grand performance. Wow, i don't how to explain this :( In the other episode he explained about Flute, its origin etc etc, there was clipping from several movies, including one from Guru. I am not aware whether the serial still continues !!!

[kameshratnam]

What a pity? The near by state of tamilnadu especially chennai doesnt receive amritha tv.

C R Venkatesh's site has the audio recording where ir sings "Sri mathrubuteswari" from Guru Ramana geetham. This session is with M G sreekumar.

[rajasaranam]

An interesting remix/rap of Raja's Madai thirandhu...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbBsDOzxZlU

That was one hell of an excellent remix by them :) I have been replaying this again and again :oops:

[thamizhvaanan]

I have saved it to my comp couple of days back itslef 8-)

IR's songs are replete with so many tunes, that each one of them can give rise to a song of its own like in this case. Nice one :thumbsup:

[realactivex]

[tscii:33ede45181]Ilayaraja’s music for Mallepoovu
ector for Pranam film is all set to make his debut as director with a film titled Mallepoovu. Ilayaraja is scoring music for this film. The music sittings are currently going on in Chennai. This film sports new faces as main leads. G Ravi Kumar Reddy who produced Kokila in the past produces this film.

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[realactivex]

Here is one article which i found in idlebrain.com.
This is about IR's contribution to Telugu FM. Am not sure if tamizh readers will be able to map this.
Here is the the series that focuses on the many greats who lurk in the shadows behind the silver screen bringing out the best in them, to radiate and redirect their brilliance onto the silver medium. We hope that these articles would focus our attention and applause to these true "stars" to whom limelight and spot lights do not usually beckon upon.
Part 1


Mathematics is usually defined as the language of the universe helping understand the vagaries and wonders of the world by means of a number based system. Though this notational system is totally relative, it makes quite an appreciable effort in dealing with the "why"s and the "how"s in a logical way. Now that is as far matters of the mind are concerned. Move a few inches down and try coming up with a system to satisfy the heart in the same way. A good piece of writing leaves a lasting impressions long after he had read the piece. Same goes with a great painting or an enthralling sculpture, an invigorating dance recital. Most of these art forms move in well-defined paths, clearly demarcating their boundaries of good taste (like, what is good penmanship and what is not, what extra ingredient does a great paint possess that an ordinary one lacks, why are sculptures carved on the walls of the caves of Ajanta and Ellora still considered the seminal pieces of the erstwhile civilization and the like) and engage their audience on a more cerebral level. Music is different beast altogether. It is an abstract art form that defies the norms of tradionality and structure. Like everything it starts off having an accepted and a standardized syllabus - 7 notes of interleaving frequencies, with each note in some sort of geometric progressional factor with the one before and after it; some notes can only go upto a certain level and some are forbidden to come any lower; certain notes can only appear after certain others; thre should a quorum of notes to make up a swaram (even this rule is toyed with nowadays). Well, all that is for people on one side of the line.

For the rest who see no difference between a note and a notation, swaram and a raagam, swarajati or a raaga prasthaaram, music is just a repition of sound; music is just a pattern; music is all about pattern repeating itself over and over. Same notes repeating themselves again and again in a given period of time to create an effect that just cannot be ignored. In the end music is that incredible science, that indelible art, that is solely aimed at moving the heart. The sense of music is something that is inherent and integral to the human being, immaterial of whether he formalizes the process through education and education. Even an untrained ear could be able to pick between a series of notes that would create a plesant feeling from among other that create disturbance, without knowing or understanding fully well the reasons behind such impact. To him, it is not the "suddha gaandhaaram" or "chatusruthi rishabham" in the swaram or E flat or the D minor in he octave that created the effect, that caused that feeling. The heart that beats with a certain rhythm, the pulse that beats at a certain rate, the air that whooshes at a certain pitch, the birds that chip at a certain frequency - music is in the air, harmony is in the life, melody is in the living and symphony is just everywhere around. Recall Sirivennela's famous words about the rhythms of life

janinchu prati Sisu gaLamuna palikina jeevana naada tarangam
chaetana pondina spandana dhwaninchu hrudaya mrundanga dhwaanam
anaadi raagam aadi taaLamuna ananta jeevana vaahinigaa
saagina srushTi vilaasamule ||virinchinai virachinchiTini||

Chakravarthy, true to to his name, ruled the music scene for more than a decade from mid seventies to well into the eighties, when telugu movie started its painful trek away from the artistic interpretation of the medium towards where money is the only language spoken. He had taken over the baton from stalwarts who had created memorable everlasting tunes that would live for as long as the sun and the moon would. Inheriting a great legacy at such a trouble point of time, when it willingly broke away from what made it standa on part with other media of great repute during that era, was hard on all departments, particularly on music and words, as they could never reach to the high standards set by their predecessors, creating purposeless and meaningless sounds - be it in the form of notes, or in the form of words. After the trouble period passed on, and it had been decided that the new standards of cinema revolved entirely around instant gratification and constant entertainment, many a change came over, particularly in the music side, aimed specifically at regaling the masses. Songs like "gu gu gu gu guDisundi, ma ma ma ma manchamundi", "vangamaaka vangamaaka vangi vangi tongi tongi chooDamaaka" won commercial applause and acceptance for the kind of the frivolity of the tunes and frothiness of the words. It went without saying that cinema dropped out of the contention, when it came to which was a more serious and far-reaching medium. It was good to an extent to have the mission statement clearly spelling out at appealing to ignorance than to intelligence, and to have the clarity that cinema was no longer the cultural torch bearer of the generation. From out of such clarity and mission statements, music directors like Chakravarthy took shape.

He created tunes, thousands in number, most of which fizzled out and faded over the passage of time and yet were immensely popular and widely accepted, within the context of the few hours of the screen time and a few days after the scheduled run. It is a testament to his great talent of churning out one commercial hit after another, while simultaneously working on 20 or so films at the same time, in one calendar year. Between his commercial successes like "konDa meeda chandamaama kOna lOna kOya bhaama", "kuDi kannu koTTa gaane kurraaNNi, yeDam kannu koTTagaane yerrONNi", "manchamaesi duppaTaesi andamanta istaanu raa raa raaja", he scored the occasional "ee madhumaasamlO ee darahaasamlO", "taaralu digi vacchina vaeLa, mallelu naDichocchina vaeLa", "maru mallela kannaa tellanidi, makarandamu kannaa tiyyanidi", without getting COMPLETELY mired and seeped in mindless commercialism. Without any assistance from inventive orchestration or innovative compositions, Chakravarthy, like his predecessors, took the safe (and dangerous) route of relying entirely on the soul of the tune to bear the entire burden of the song, sticking to the same standards to well over 10 years, as telugu cinema rode over his shoulders and rose to greater heights of market reach and commercial viability of its products.

Around late seventies, a new wave started to rise up in Tamil cinema. Although it adhered to the same standards of commercial format, it started treading a new ground, bringing some amount of realism and neutrality to the proceedings, without completely going over the top, all in the name of entertainment. Bharatiraja, to a large extent (and Balachander to some extent), ushered in this new era with his take on the village milieu, blending them with more human and real life-like emotions and imparting the sensibilities of the common man. As his movies started to find wider audience, so was the acceptance of his themes in telugu cinema, thanks to the art of dubbing and act of remaking. One such village based theme (though, not directed by Bharatiraja) was "Raamachilaka". The movie, dripping in melodrama, was about a wide-eyed village belle, who meets the man of her dreams, a fresh entry into her village from the near-by city, and starts to build her life around him, and as hte story would have it, she sacrifices him to unforseen situations, getting killed in the process. The movie was no great shakes, but a couple of tunes in the movie ("raama chilakaa peLLi koDukevarae", "maavayya vastaaDanTa manasicchi pOtaaDanTa"), reworked by Satyam for the telugu audience, stood out from the rest. Around the same period Bharatiraja's "16 Vayathinile" struck the right chord with the audience on both sides of the Andhra-Tamil border. This time it had Chakravarthy at the helm rehashing the great original tune, to come up with the soulful melody of S.Janaki, that had innocence, aspirations, hope and optimism blended into it and the result was "sirimalle poova, sirimalle poova, chinnaari chilakammaa".


It is particularly striking how this song is hauntingly reminiscent "raama chilakaa peLLi koDukevarae", when the song steps into the "charaNam" part with the omni-present "Dappu", echoing the heart beat of the aspirations in both the occasions. The styles were eerily similar thought the music was credited to different directors for both the movies. Shortly thereafter, Bharatiraja, moving away from his trademark villages, made a suspense thriller, setting it in an urban mileu. "Erra Gulaabeelu", a bonafide winner in both the original the dubbed versions, credit much of the success to not only a bold theme handled in a slick and a mature manner, but also to a couple of great melodies that became instant classics ("ee erra gulaabee virisinadi", "aedO toli valapae"). With Western orchestration and very unique composition (particularly with the latter one), the momentum slowly started shifting towards innovation, in the way a tune is scored, moving consciously away from what was considered standard. When "Don" went on to become a great success in 78, K.S.R.Das promptly transported the theme into telugu medium for NTR and hired a virtual no-name to rehash the great tunes of Kalyanji-Anandji from the original. Though the interest didn't quite pique with an aging NTR portraying both a stoic and silly DON, the way the song "yeh meraa dil pyaar kaa deewaanaa" was completely changed into "naa paruvam nee kOsam" into a worthy, if not better, composition, with trumpets, guitar and percussion, each going haywire but together creating a perfect harmony, that matched the energy and vigor of the original, and yet remained completely independent and inspiring, marked the formal arrival of a new music director, whose tunes, but not the name, had become familiar to the telugu audience from a couple of years ago - Ilayaraja.


Brilliance is never an on/off phenomenon, showing its splendorous best at one instant and fading into obscurity the very next. There are 2 distinct phases that is usually associated with brilliance - 1. The formative years, when all the pieces haven't completely come together and crystallized yet and the final result still has a lot of rough edges to it 2. when everything has fallen in place and each piece seem to move as part of a well-oiled machine. Yugandhar came and went. The movie didn't go down as a memorable one and neither did the songs. The signs of welcome hadn't been put up to the fledgling music director in telugu yet, while the winds of change have started to gather full strength in the neighboring land. Once in a while a great tune came wafting down from the south of the border only to be conveniently and easily adapted "to suit the nativity" by the local talent. The movie - Bhadrakali. Before "vaTapatra Saayiki varahaala laali" crept into the lexicon of lullaby songs, before "lAlijO lAleejO oorukO paapaayi" climbed up the charts to take the seat right beside the former, there was this great melody by Yesudas and Suseela that had the wonderful effect of calming down the senses and taking the listener right to the door step of deep sleep - "chinni chinni kannayya, kannulalO neevayya, ninnu choosi murisaenu, naenu naenu marichaenu". It was quite unlike any other lullaby composed in telugu film music. Lullaby songs have a grammar completely of their own - thou shalt never have more than 5 words in each stanza, thou tune shalt never be complex, thou lyrics shalt have more of (in fact, entirely, if possible) "saraLaalu" and less of (read, none of) "parushaalu", "dwittwaaksharaalu" and "vattulu", thou shalt be in such a way that even a tone/tune deaf person should be able to connect with it instantly - "chandamAma rAvae jAbilli rAvae", "uDataa uDataa oosh, ekkaDikeltaavush", "edagaDaani kendukuraa tondaraa" to name a few.

And here was this entrant that broke every one of the aforementioned and still became immensely popular - "ettukuni muddaaDi vuyyaalaloogaenu, jOla paaTa paaDaenu, laali paaTa paaDaenu". While Bhadrakali had a couple more numbers ("aDigAvae akkaDa, iTu chooskO ikkaDa" etc) that suited the changing tastes of the audience, "chinni chinni kannayya" remains the perennial favorite of haunting melodies even to this day and age. That was around the same time that K.V.Mahadevan weaved his magic to come up with "Adavi Ramudu", which set the tone for future telugu songs to become more or less filler items between reams and reams of dialogues. Mahadevan adapted to the changing trend beautifully (as he did to a few more over the couple of decades), while the rest quickly adjusted their styles and faithfully followed. Amind the cacophony and furore, Bhadrakali went down as an "also ran". If the telugu filmdom hadn't yet warmed up to this new style, there was the tamil land, encouraging the new talent to come up with a gem of an album - Kizhakke pogum rayil (in telugu, toorpu veLLae railu). Helmed by the then new age director, Bharatiraja, it is about a young poet, living in a remote village, held back against his wishes, from making it to a place where his skill and talent are recognized and rewarded, as he pours his heart out in his poetry, all the time dreaming that his fortunes are somehow tied to the train track heading east, passing through his village. The prospect of a repressed poet raging with new and innovative ideas, able to see the world in a radically different way he choose fit, produced one of the rare albums, where every tune ascended to the level of greatness and immortality, that few are blessed with. Among the other great tunes, there is this one, which was later used in "kottha jeevitaalu" - "kavvinchae kaLLallO kaLaevO aevO kadalaaDae ee vaeLa".

It stands out for the unique usage of percussion (in this case, mRdangam), set against the deep bass vocal of Jayachandran (in tamil and Balu in telugu), in the way that the percussion does not faithfully join the vocal, as is the case with any regular tune, but instead stands aside and challenges the vocal to match its varying rhythm. And the fact that the rhythm matches the dance steps of the heroine makes the tune a sort of a way three-way duel. It is interesting in the way the ending of the "charaNams" of "kavvinchae kaLLallO" beautifully flows into "seetaakOka chiluka laetA raama chiluka" (Stuvartupuram Police station) as though the former was only half the composition, and was left unfinished, until it met its match in the latter. In the same year as "kizhakke..." came a bilingual directed by the veteran handler, Sridhar, that came as close to having the most well-rounded, complete, film ablum, as one could possibly imagine. It had everything - melody, folk, regular (routine), and even a bit of rock and roll, and in the way, each song went to become popular in its own right, this was the first and firm proclamation, that the one odd popular tunes here and there prior to this, were no mere flashes in the pan. The title "Vayasu Pilichindi" alone hurls the musical part of the mind into several different directions all at once. The "Dappu" beats feverishly and rhythmically, before settling down to form the base for the full throat rendition of the vocal "mutyamalle merisipOyae malle moggA, arae muTTukunTae muDuchukunTaav antaa siggaaa...". The "anupallavi" silently gives way to the guitar, which continue the rhythmic beat set by the "Dappu" earlier as the words "mabbae masakaesindilae poga manchae teragaa nilichindilae" ease into the "pallavi".

The folk tune set in the low notes of the "Dappu" and the high pitch of the vocals ("paiTalaaga nannu neevu kappukOvae, gunDelOna guvvalaaga unDipOvE") heralded a new era of contrasting orchestral arrangements. (Compare it to the arrangement in "vinara vinarA daeSam manadaerA" from Roja, when the brass at the end of the interludes reach the crescendo, their highest point, as the vocal starts at the lowest possible level in the next note). If the song set a new trend in folk music, the music takes a complete detour to land in a place and melody and melody alone rules. And to start the proceedings, the delightful lilt of the flute takes the stage and rest of instruments follow its cue - "ilaagae ilaagae sarAgamADitae, vayyAram ee yavvanam ooyaloogunae". The song epitomizes the vintage era of the 70s, when music directors were freshly discovering their Eastern idioms and ideologies in Western instruments. Guitars, Drums, Trumpets, whose scales and styles usually stuit the less complex Western structure, started to find place in the (South)Indian classical sounds and if songs like "hello my Rita, aemaindi nee maaTa, paaDaevu sarikotta paaTa maarindi nee baaTa" were composed keeping in mind the reverborating scale in the scream of the trumpet, the organiv beat in the thump of the drums, the resulting fusion contained the best of both the worlds. Though the expression was Western, the essence remained strictly Eastern. "vayasu pilichindi" caused the audience to sit up and take notice of the great setups, both the vocal and the instrumental, of each of the songs (including the routine, yet, very foot-tapping "nuvvanDigindi aenaaDainaa laedannaanaa"). The true fusion that started in "hello my Rita, aemaindi nee maaTa" was taken one step further in "Tik Tik Tik" with "O naTana mayuri vayyaari", when the traditional "taaLam" of the Bharatanaatyam was pitted against the groove of regular rock and roll. However, the experiments and the fusions fell on the wayside and it wasn't until another teaming up with Bharatiraja, that the sway of this new sound took firm hold.

seetakOka chiluka - nothing would better describe, in terms of the blossoming of the sound from a raw and rustic form, cocooned in a chrysalis, to finally emerge out in what can only be a combination of beauty and brilliance personified. The "peLLi aaSeervachanam" starts - "SatamAnam bhavati Sataayuh purusha Sataendriya aayushshaevindriye pratidishTati", as the christian choir joins the cheer, handing it over to the Veena, which completes the rest of the unsaid, wishing hundreds of years of togetherness and bliss, as the words starts to pour over - "maaTae mantramu manasae bandhamu, nee manasae nee mamatae mangaLa vaadyamu". The song entirely belongs to one instrument - Veena - the one instrument that can convey the feelings of devotion and deep passion at the same time. The strings continue to taunt and torment in the interludes goading on the words to say more, something more - "neevae naalO spandinchina, ee priya layalO Sruti kalisae praaNamidae". Satisfied, it eases on the plucking, to let - "naenae neevugaa, poovu taavigaa, samyOgAla sangeetAlu virisae vaeLalO", to come back full fore to merge back into the pallavi.
If strings form the foundation of the emotion in "maaTae mantramu", conveying the tenderness in heart tugging expression, on the other end of the spectrum is resonance of the heart beats in the continuous thumps of the percussion (mRdangam again), forming "sAgara sangamamae, praNaya sAgara sangamamae". It is not the tunes or the orchestrationthat is paramount here. It is the choice of the instruments. Particularly when the songs have to mean something (like in situational songs), the choice of the lead instrument decides the understanding of the music director of not just the sounds coming out of his instruments, but also the meanings buried deep in those sounds. The turmoil raging inside the protagnoist, unable to come to terms with the religious differences that keeps his love at bay, and unable to convince her about his true intentions, rises like the tides that keep crashing against the unmoved (heartless) rocks on the shore. What better way to interpret the thudding of the waves, the thumping of his heart, than in the continuous percussion on the mRdangam. "seetakOka chiluka" displayed the entire range of the new sound - right from the delicate, down to the devastating. The movie marked the formal arrival of the music director, not just his music, but his person, achieving the rare artistic success that is usually reserved to the traditionalists and the conformists. The formative years of the brilliance was thus characterized by the early flashes of great promise before settling down into what came to be known as Ilayaraja's music. After showing his mettle on the artistic side, the sound started its battle on the commercial side of telugu film music. That too, with a war cry - "Eurekaaaa...". The year was 1983.

[rajasaranam]

I have saved it to my comp couple of days back itslef 8-)
IR's songs are replete with so many tunes, that each one of them can give rise to a song of its own like in this case. Nice one :thumbsup:

True :) BTW did you save the complete Video ? how can we save that :!:

[thamizhvaanan]

RS, I use mozilla... In mozilla we can install a plugin called videodownloader for mozilla that lets you download streaming media, right from youtube to raaga.com :thumbsup:

[MrJudge]

Three dozen for Ilayaraja
IndiaGlitz [Thursday, October 26, 2006]


Maestro Ilayaraja has several firsts in his musical career spanning three decades. He has composed music for over 800 films in various Indian languages and won several awards and accolades.

Ilayaraja, who won several awards in his career, is all set to achieve a new record.

For his forthcoming film Ajanta, Ilayaraja has composed a total of 36 songs attempted never before in the history of Indian cinema. Even the maximum in early 1940s and 1950s were just 30.

All the songs were composed in just three days, sources say.

According to director Kathaga Thirumavalavan, 'All the songs have come good with Ilayaraja's touch in it. Based on classical raagas, the songs will attract all sections of the public cutting across language barriers.'

The movie features Ramana in the lead role. The audio will be out shortly.

[rajasaranam]

Ilayaraja has composed a total of 36 songs attempted never before in the history of Indian cinema. Even the maximum in early 1940s and 1950s were just 30.

Alam Ara was the first Talkie in Indian Cinema and it had more songs i believe. while This link reveals http://www.upperstall.com/hindisong1.html that The movie Indrasabha had 71 Songs in all :shock:
Nevertheless Iam overwhlemed by the thought of a total Musical from Raaja. Hope The director had come up with a nice theme to create the fire in Raaja :)

[irir123]

i vaguely remember some oldie called "Shanta Chakkubai" which had more than 40 songs - watched it on Doordharshan during school days and it was real funny seeing characters singing for anything and everything!

[irir123]

Here is a review of "Ilayaraja's Musical Journey" by Duncan Glenday, published on the website of "Sea Of Tranquility"

http://www.seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=3351

"This record is different, fun, and as the title suggests, a real musical journey"

[kiru]

Here is a review of "Ilayaraja's Musical Journey" by Duncan Glenday, published on the website of "Sea Of Tranquility"

http://www.seaoftranquility.org/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=3351

"This record is different, fun, and as the title suggests, a real musical journey"
The reviewer has this to say about the 3-note composition - 'he uses a half-note here and there and also goes up in octave'. Can somebody confirm this. Technical review of his work is what is needed to ensure IR gets a bigger international audience with credibility.

[raja_fan]

http://www.mjnewsonline.com/board/showthread.php?t=65268

Ilayarajs is No.40 in the world's best selling artistes !

[rajasaranam]

raja_fan,
The credibility of the news has to be checked.8-) What was the source and how they came up with this figure is dubious :? and who is that in the image according to the webpage :shock: Well anyway my gut feeling is he should have sold more than 102 million as claimed there. we can only hope that someday inreco, echo and other companies who manufactured/marketed during the 70's, 80's and 90's should come up with the actual production and sales figures to legitimise this claim :)
See This page there is no Raaja :cry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_music_artists

[raja_fan]

rajasaranam,

I agree with you.

[MrJudge]

Even if Echo and other record labels come up with the figures, it is hard to tell the actual sales. Those days piracy was at its peak with recording shops located in every corner.

The picture for Raaja at the above site :banghead:

[rajasaranam]

I just read the article in dinathanthi...
http://dailythanthi.com/magazines/veli_cinema.htm
...about this recording of 36 songs for the movie ajantha. I feel by the way the article goes it should be 9 songs in each language [thamizh, thelungu, kaanadam, malayalam] making it to a total of 36 songs. Lets wait for the Audio launch to see if Iam right :?

[irir123]

"9 songs in each language [thamizh, thelungu, kaanadam, malayalam]" - thats weird - does that mean that each language will have a completely different set of 9 songs each??!

[irir123]

"Technical review of his work is what is needed to ensure IR gets a bigger international audience with credibility"

You may soon hear some good news in this direction/context - btw, one eminent reviewer (that I am in touch with) was floored by - believe-it-or-not - IR's 'MUMBAI XPRESS'! how do you take that ? this reviewer (who is a lady) was completely taken aback by 'poo poothadhu' and to a lesser extent 'kurangu kaiyil'! and keeps asking me the name of the pianist at work in 'poo poothadhu' - 'thats one hell of a jazz piano work'

[coucou]

36 songs in a single film Oct 27, 2006


Ajantha is an upcoming film, which is being made in all the four south Indian languages. This film is produced by Raj Baba Ravishankar for Ellora Movie Club. Music Maestro Ilayaraja has composed a record number of 36 songs for this film. This is the first time in the history of film music that a music composer has composed 36 songs for a film. This may find entry in Guinness Book of Records too. For Isaignani, this is sure to be a milestone in his career.


In the Tamil version Ramana plays the role of a hero with debutant Vandana Gupta as the heroine. In Telugu Vandana is paired with Sai Kiran. Vinu Mohan and Honey Rose are the lead players in Malayalam while Kannada film would have Honey Rose along with Venkatesh.

In the Tamil version, along with the lead pair, Mano Bala, Madan Bop and Crane Manohar are also cast. Vaali, Snehan, Muthulingam and Paa.Vijay write lyrics. Story, screenplay and direction has been handled by Thirumavalavan.



The unique feature about this film is that the producer has planned to give out 60% of his earnings through this movie to orphanages. It is indeed a noble deed. All the Best!!

:thumbsup:

[kamalfan]

"Technical review of his work is what is needed to ensure IR gets a bigger international audience with credibility"

You may soon hear some good news in this direction/context - btw, one eminent reviewer (that I am in touch with) was floored by - believe-it-or-not - IR's 'MUMBAI XPRESS'! how do you take that ? this reviewer (who is a lady) was completely taken aback by 'poo poothadhu' and to a lesser extent 'kurangu kaiyil'! and keeps asking me the name of the pianist at work in 'poo poothadhu' - 'thats one hell of a jazz piano work'

Waiting very eagerly for her MX review!

[Hulkster]

"Technical review of his work is what is needed to ensure IR gets a bigger international audience with credibility"

You may soon hear some good news in this direction/context - btw, one eminent reviewer (that I am in touch with) was floored by - believe-it-or-not - IR's 'MUMBAI XPRESS'! how do you take that ? this reviewer (who is a lady) was completely taken aback by 'poo poothadhu' and to a lesser extent 'kurangu kaiyil'! and keeps asking me the name of the pianist at work in 'poo poothadhu' - 'thats one hell of a jazz piano work'

What is there to be surprised at? I am appalled at the response received for Mumbai express by music lovers. Do you know the complexity of jazz used in poo poothadu and the way he has used jazz to create a racey feel using indian rhythms in yele nee ettipo and kurangu kayil? The jazz used in the whole album is so astounding and complex that you neva knew jazz can be used to implement WCM techniques and even non-WCM techniques. Till now i cant forgive music lovers cause they still thrash this album. :cry2: :angry2:

[rajaalltheway]

I dont know much about the technicalities and intricacies of music but for me MX was one hell of an album.The song Poo Poothadhu was a favourite of Shaan and Sunidhi chouhan and both requested Ayya to give more songs in future.The funny answer they got was 'my son is composing songs that suits your voice..'

[irir123]

hi - where can I buy INDIA 24 HRS online ?

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/illaiyaraja_3.html

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/sangeetha_4.html new Movie 4 Raja

[K]

http://www.rakkamma.com/albums.phtml For India24Hrs

[irir123]

"where can I buy INDIA 24 HRS online ?" - I need the original CD!!

[Nerd]

I happened to download the kadhal arangam trailer from behindwoods. The BGM was simply out of the world. I know that the movie has been in the making for a long time. When did the trailer come out ?? Am I too late to catch that ?? Are the songs out ??

[Sanjeevi]

I happened to download the kadhal arangam trailer from behindwoods. The BGM was simply out of the world. I know that the movie has been in the making for a long time. When did the trailer come out ?? Am I too late to catch that ?? Are the songs out ??

songs not out. But Rajni helped velu prabaharan to solve the problem of this film.

[Shankar]

irir123,
I am not sure if I know you. But, when you are asking someone to review Raja's albums pls consider the following points:

1. My sincere request to you is to NOT project Raja's works as pure western classical compositions. If you do so, their mindset would be to expect classical compositions and they would only be disappointed because Raja's music would have a whole lot of classical patterns & partially developed phrases because of the time constraints he has for a song/musical piece (of course, if those are developed they can make good fugues or sometimes even concertos)

2. Pls highlight the way he has seamlessly integrated ICM & WCM. His adaptation of WCM to a format that could be appreciated by folks soaked in ICM and Folk music (endha poovilum vAsaum uNdu (murattu kALai) Chandirarum sooriyarum (avathAram) are classic examples.

3. To highlight his fusion you could possibly have Mozart I love you from NBW. Chamber welcomes thyagaraja & I met Bach and the other Bach song from HTNI would also do.

4. Songs which had a good fusion of ICM & WCM (poonkathavE thAzh thiravai), ICM & Jazz (MX) , Folk & WCM (there are loads of them !!) are all good candidates

5. There are some pure WCM numbers by Raja as well, such as poottukkaL pOttAlum from kshatriyan - a pure WC number set in 3/4 (Waltz beat) . You can provide them those as well.

6. Choose some of his themes which clearly show his great sense of melody and the variants of the themes to suit the mood of the scene for which it was composed (Idhayam & mouna ragam themes are good candidates)

There are many more songs/scores our knowledgable hubbers can suggest.

The point is to set their expectations right before asking them to review.

Pls highlight the fact that in the given 3-4 minutes for a song, he's done all this and there are BG Scores where he's gone ballistic on the pure WCM because the time to explore the themes are more.

You did the right thing by giving this person the MX CD. The ONLY Jazz composition done by Raja never got the appreciation it deserved. This is partly bcos there are not many serious Jazz listeners (that too modern, soft Jazz listeners) in India.

[Shankar]

"Technical review of his work is what is needed to ensure IR gets a bigger international audience with credibility"

You may soon hear some good news in this direction/context - btw, one eminent reviewer (that I am in touch with) was floored by - believe-it-or-not - IR's 'MUMBAI XPRESS'! how do you take that ? this reviewer (who is a lady) was completely taken aback by 'poo poothadhu' and to a lesser extent 'kurangu kaiyil'! and keeps asking me the name of the pianist at work in 'poo poothadhu' - 'thats one hell of a jazz piano work'

What's there to say believe-it-or-not when MX was received well ?!?!?!

When I listened to it, I told my friends that Raja has for the first time ventured into Jazz (for songs...For many BG Scores he's done a lot of Jazz. The Bar sequence in thambikku endha ooru comes to my mind when I write his) and this album is a welcome change from his routine synth drum crap he's churning out these days....But I was totally disappointed to see the album flop big time !!!

I am happy that at least ARR's Jazz effort in SOK was received well by public.

[kiru]

Good suggestions by Shankar. We need to introduce IR as a popular musician who uses WCM and ICM/WCM fusion as a base for his work. As Shankar, from a classical point of view, many of IRs works will not be 'fully developed' or 'formally structured'. I did play his songs to some musicians here in the US and they mentioned, they could follow the chords and the 12-note movements but were not sure about the type of singing or what the percussion was doing (quite understandable).
Even IR was willing to be portrayed in marketing literature as a 'new age' musician like Yanni. Some posters here have been clamoring for a purely instrumental album from IR, preferably with big arrangements. This would be a good material for marketing. I feel TIS was a wasted effort in terms on marketability on the technical front, as it sounded like a studio album with voice mixing (like a film song) instead of a pure orchestral score.

[Shankar]

>>>>>>>>
I feel TIS was a wasted effort in terms on marketability on the technical front, as it sounded like a studio album with voice mixing (like a film song) instead of a pure orchestral score.
<<<<<<<<<

Precisely my feeling !! Technically I was expecting more from Raja. It may sound blasphemous, but IMHO, to make a technically competent product, Raja must've made someone else sing the lyrics. But given that it wasn't done for purely commercial purposes, I was able to accept his singing, purely for the emotional aspect of his singing. I would've anyday preferred a professional singer sing those lines to market Raja in the international circles.

I just hope he does a live orchestra performance like Yanni did. I feel he's in the leagues of people like debussy who can take music from one era to another, but he chooses to be a well-frog (perfectly fine from his view point) which unfortunately is bad for listeners like us.

[njv]

"where can I buy INDIA 24 HRS online ?" - I need the original CD!!

irir

Kaila vennaiya vachikittu neikku alaiareengalae? See your PM.

[kiru]

See the TIS thread for my views on TIS/replies to Shankar.

[irir123]

guys - I was listening to some stuff of Joe Satriani (the guitar 'god'!) - one particular piece "ECHO" bowled me over - the arrangement, and everything else sounds so IRish! in fact, it is kindof the peppy-jazzy-techno stuff that IR uses in the first piece in Nothing But Wind and the one called "Composer's breath" - I have uploaded the same in coolgoose - here is the link -
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=278325

do listen to it and let us know if you also felt the same about the piece! for IR composing such pieces should be like eating 'halwa'!

[rajasaranam]

As I had Doubted This weeks Junior Vikatan Confirms that For the movie Ajantha IR Recorded 9 songs for each language totalling to 36. Damn! These Websites creating such hypes as Guiness World Record and all :evil:

[thumburu]

When you people talk of IR's jazz, I have to add this. Listen to the bgm in some inane fight sequence from the mother of all stupid movies "Naan potta savaal" [ a Rajini flop flick that has stupendous songs like "sugam sugame", "mayakkamaa oru kalakkkamaa", "nenjae un aasai enna" ] . It has some uninterrupted 15 to 20 minutes of jazz during that fight and I felt like listening to some JohnColtrane's locomotion or something like tat.

[krish244]

Dont know if this link has been posted earlier:

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/Oct22006/enter745182006930.asp

thanks,

Krishnan

[rajdes]

RS, yeah, thats the problem. Websites and tabloids have to fill space - so they try to create hype out of nothing. Firstly, 36 songs in a single movie itself wouldnt be a record, as pointed out by many here - I remember many DD Sunday movies from the 40's and 50's used to have a song every 3 minutes and a severely cut version used to go on for atleast 2.5 hrs - on top of it, it is 9 songs per langauge and we dont even know that songs will not be remade from one version to another - like Chandramukhi was made in tamil and telugu simultaneously, and can you say there were 12 songs composed for Chandramuhi?
I dont think there will be 9 different tunes in each language in this case also.
Finally, even if there are 36 different tunes, whats the big deal? IR used to work for 40-50 movies in mid-80's and I presume there must have been days where he scored more than 8-10 tunes in a single day in that period, though maybe for different movies. How is this different from that?

I dont understand this hype about 36 songs in a movie, or 10 roles in a movie etc. We have had many actors who work on several movies simultaneously and perform different roles in each of these - so effectively they are performing 4-5 different roles simultaneously. So why should we go ga-g about someone doing 10 roles in a move when the reality is that the 10 roles will be shot one after the another in sequence not simultaneously - so how different is it from the actor working in 10 movies in succession?
Hype-ku oru alave illaipa!

[Sanjeevi]

It looks like kamal is doing 30 roles in Dasavatharam (10 in tamil, 10 in telugu and 10 in hindi) :lol:

[realactivex]

Folks,
I still cant get over the 'Dheemi-Dheemi' effect!
And I still cant believe that the northies were not bothered to value a gem of a song.

[rajaalltheway]

Dheemi-dheemi is such a masterpiece that will never bother a bunch of people who are fed absolute nonsense from Himesh Reshamiyya or pritam.the bass guitar in the song itself deserves an award

[Nakeeran]

Dheemi-dheemi is such a masterpiece that will never bother a bunch of people who are fed absolute nonsense from Himesh Reshamiyya or pritam.the bass guitar in the song itself deserves an award

I think U havent heard SONIYA DIL SE.. & thats enough to banner HR :D

R U posting out of vayitherichal ?

U worship Ur composer but dont defame another guy who is doing really well now :evil:

Give the devil its due mannnn


HR is the star composer of Bollywood now .

Ok. Why dont u compose a song in Hindi ?

[njv]

It looks like kamal is doing 30 roles in Dasavatharam (10 in tamil, 10 in telugu and 10 in hindi) :lol:
Ada pera maathitaangappa. "Pathittru Pathu" ... Sorry "Pathitru Muppathu"

[njv]

Dheemi-dheemi is such a masterpiece that will never bother a bunch of people who are fed absolute nonsense from Himesh Reshamiyya or pritam.the bass guitar in the song itself deserves an award

I think U havent heard SONIYA DIL SE.. & thats enough to banner HR :D

R U posting out of vayitherichal ?

U worship Ur composer but dont defame another guy who is doing really well now :evil:

Give the devil its due mannnn


HR is the star composer of Bollywood now .

Ok. Why dont u compose a song in Hindi ?

Nakeerare,

Oru thadava sivan erichathu pathaatha? Innoruthadava karuganuma?

HM is the top now. Will he be for another 3 months? I doubt.

It is probably not out of vayitherichal but headache after listening to same songs again and again (i mean different songs from different moveis but same tunes)

[njv]

Ok. Why dont u compose a song in Hindi ?

Namma makkalukky adimai thanam innum pogala. Whats tehre in Hindi that we dont have in Tamil. I would say Tamil has MSV, IR and ARR. What do they have? Dont say that they have Salil, RDB, SDB etc. They are all from Bengal!

[Dragun]

Doesn't matter where they're from. The fact is they composed in Hindi. They also have Naushad, Kalyanji Anandji, Shankar-Jaikishen.

[Nakeeran]

Ok. Why dont u compose a song in Hindi ?

Namma makkalukky adimai thanam innum pogala. Whats tehre in Hindi that we dont have in Tamil. I would say Tamil has MSV, IR and ARR. What do they have? Dont say that they have Salil, RDB, SDB etc. They are all from Bengal!

Ur question is ridiculous. Can I ask u now why u are in overseas now when u have everything in India itself :twisted:

Add LP, Naushad , Shankar Jaikishen also no. :lol: Well , look at the language . It doent matter from they originate .

Neither Hindi nor Tamil is superior / inferior . For that matter no language is superior .

FYI, even IR draws inspiration from many NI composers only :wink:

[Nakeeran]

[quote="njv
HM is the top now. Will he be for another 3 months? I doubt.

It is probably not out of vayitherichal but headache after listening to same songs again and again (i mean different songs from different moveis but same tunes)[/quote]

Look. Today's music is like a gailstorm . It comes & goes away quickly . And noone can stay forever. Probably one can sustain for a decent period. HR had already proved his worth & he is here to stay

Dismissing him that he will not stay beyond 3 months is a typical reaction from a hardcore IR worshipper who seldom wants to recognize talents from other composers :evil:

[rajasaranam]

Vamsi-IR New film nearing Completion.
They are sure to rock again since the movie plot outline seems to be a thriller as the forest as Backdrop. Who can forget the eery scores of Anveshana. :)
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/telugu/article/26581.html
I dont care for the songs in this movie I want those spine chilling Musical BGM's of Raaja like he did for December pookal, 100vathu naal, 24 mani neram, and many more such movies in the 80's. The whole thriller genre of movies got lost in the 90's and 2000's. Hope this movie is a treat to us :thumbsup:

[rajasaranam]

Nakeeran,
Thanks for the Info Himesh is Highly Talented and is here to stay for many more years. Hope your ears don't get punctured listening to him for that long :P

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,
Thanks for the Info Himesh is Highly Talented and is here to stay for many more years. Hope your ears don't get punctured listening to him for that long :P

Good. If U wish to remain ignorant about Hindi music & be a well frog , SO BE IT . :lol:

[rajasaranam]

Good. If U wish to remain ignorant about Hindi music & be a well frog , SO BE IT . :lol:

Good to know its Hindi Mujik I was thinking it was something else :rotfl:

[Shankar]

>>>>>
FYI, even IR draws inspiration from many NI composers only Wink
<<<<<

Oh...this is a revelation !!! Pls educate us about the inspired numbers....I just know one song which Raja copied from anand-milind !! Pls give me more of those :-)

[jagannn2210]

The following are the ones which IR has been inspired from
NI Music

O Kalai kuyilgale .. SJanaki ( Parthiban & Mohini) Pallavi is a sur shot inspiration of Original song in Hindi -Khoya Khoya Chand by Mohd.Rafi Music by SD Burman

Ore Naal Unai Than( Ilamai Oonjal adigiradhu) : The line oonjaladudhu has a strong influence of "Lag Jaa gale" By Madan Mohan

Inji Iduppazhaga : Old SD Burman Composition set in 2/4 tempo ( Ye dil deewana hai...)

If you hear IR's Compositions in 1978-81 the tabla & Dholak patterns have a very strong influence Or rather the same in songs Viz.,Devadhai oru Devadhai ( Pattakatthi bhairavan) Vasandha kala kolangal ( Thyagam) Vaanmegangale
(Pudhiya vaarpugal) to name a few.

[kameshratnam]

IR Himself has said openly in many of the interviews that he has been inspired by many others.

The respect he had for S D Burman was seen in the RAJ TV SHOW this year.

[irir123]

"O Kalai kuyilgale .. SJanaki ( Parthiban & Mohini) Pallavi is a sur shot inspiration of Original song in Hindi -Khoya Khoya Chand by Mohd.Rafi Music by SD Burman"

yes it does look like an inspiration - just that line

"Ore Naal Unai Than( Ilamai Oonjal adigiradhu) : The line oonjaladudhu has a strong influence of "Lag Jaa gale" By Madan Mohan"

that is no inspiration - not even an influence, i would call that a freakish coincidence thats it!

"Inji Iduppazhaga : Old SD Burman Composition set in 2/4 tempo ( Ye dil deewana hai...)"

well - let me put it this way - it was an inspiration as REQUESTED/INSISTED by Kamal, though IR had composed several tunes for the same sequence/situation! and THIS information that it is an inspiration came out ONLY after Kamal said that in an interview! had he not done so, would you/we have known? that itself is a tribute to IR's unparalleled genius!

let us say, we have an informal workshop on "music composition:theory and practice" and IR were to be our chief guest - if he were to be asked, then he would probably start with the first song ever composed for an Indian movie and how the same was used/ resued by every other composer even without their own knowledge of having done so! SUCH IS IR's indepth understanding of the essence of everything that is musical! that is also his trade secret - just like how a magician uses different tricks (btw, watch Christopher Nolan's stunning "The Prestige" featuring Christian Bale and Hugh Jackman and "The Illusionist" featuring Ed Norton with a grand 'illusionist' score by Philip Glass) and everything even the music we listen is magical versions of the same stuff! how deftly and cleverly the magician uses it makes up for creativity!

"If you hear IR's Compositions in 1978-81 the tabla & Dholak patterns have a very strong influence Or rather the same in songs Viz.,Devadhai oru Devadhai ( Pattakatthi bhairavan) Vasandha kala kolangal ( Thyagam) Vaanmegangale
(Pudhiya vaarpugal) to name a few."

maybe, but using a style of tabla/dolak does not for blatant plagiarism, not even inspiration - i would call it adaptation! just like how the percussion was used in "isaiyyil thondagudhamma" in Hey Ram and "Naan sirithhaal" in Nayagan!

[vem]

My 2 cents :)

I have been a strong favorite of IR for decades now. I also like RDB , SDB songs from Hindi. And of course who will not like the great Shankar-Jaikishen combo of the 60s. Their music is just fabulous and evergreen,

Two weeks ago, I just wanted to come out of my parochialism (trying music of other Hindi music directors).

So I first selected OP Nayyar. His songs from aar Paar, Naya Daur, Mere sanam etc pretty much captivated me so much that I am totally hooked on to his music now.

I can say that his melodies are so light - with almost no instruments , although, the melody is still there. His songs are very haunting too (please listen to his songs from musicindiaonline if u havent ).

I am very happy to have listened to his songs, it is just satisfaction u know. i am yet to try out songs from Ravi, Chitra gupta, Roshan, Madan Mohan, Naushad etc......

Just disregarding Hindi music is like being a big frog in a small pond - is what I feel :) It is not to offend anybody - but what we get being a little open-minded, is cornucopia of musical joy :)

[vem]

in my previous post, please replace fan for favorite, although, I would like to be a favorite of IR.

Unfortunately, I have no talent to impress him :)

[irir123]

Vem - I second your thoughts! it is not our fault that we grew up listening to IR and not IR's fault that his music has strongly influenced and filled us up! and I dont see any need for us to be APOLOGETIC about liking IR's music! that is the way it is!

of all the composers you have mentioned, Madan Mohan is unique! "Naina Barse Rim Jhim" from "Woh Kaun Thi" is a well- known example of sheer haunting beauty - even in his most lackadaisical moods ("Har Koi Chahta Hai Ek Mutthi Aasman" from "Ek Mutthi Aasman" is an example in this context), he WOULD NEVER stray away from melody - and IMHO some1 of his calibre WOULD HAVE NEVER survived in the present day Hindi film industry! but all said and done, there are some guys like Sanjay Leela Bhansali trying to do honestly contribute - Shreya Goshal was recommended by Bhansali and Goshal is an amazing find!

[irir123]

OP Nayyar was another of those musical eccentricities! major no of his compositions would have this "tuk tak, tuk tak" rhythm of 'horse hoofs' like sounds! he almost had a musical 'fetish' for that rhythm! but a great composer nevertheless!

[irir123]

http://www.mid-day.com/hitlist/2006/april/135240.htm

"Ilaiyaraaja to direct musical" !!

[vem]

Just one point that makes me wonder is that this guy OP Nayyar had no prior training in music before he became a music director.

U wont believe me - I have been listening to his "Jaayiye" and "Pukaarta" songs from the movie mere sanam...... continously for the past 2 days. What melody it is.

Ooops - It is IR albums page I know. I will stop my ramblins on this guy.

Thanks for ur songs of Madanmohan.... He will be my target next. IR has mentioned his name so many times whenever he was asked about his favorites :)

Similarly my another favorite album is Anurag from SD Burmanda...... Just amazing songs. But let us not forget all Yesudoss songs from Raveendra jain :)

Thats it.

I shall emerge from hibernation when IR releases his next musical album ; unfortunately Naan kadavul has been stopeed due to the loss of Vallavan (Thenapan has no more funds :))

[vijayr]

dig: vem, if you are into OP Nayyar dont miss his combo with Asha. Apart from jaayiye, listen to "Aayiye meherbaan"(from Howrah Bridge and a very popular classic)"ankhon se jo uthri"(I think from Phir wohi dil laaya hun), "chain se hum ko kabhi"(for which she got an award at that time),songs from Kashmir ki kali - at the very least. As for Madan Mohan he is in a different league altogether. It will be a bigger list with his favourite singer Lata. Old HFM rules.

[vem]

Yes, I listened to these songs :) thanks.

What do u say about Chal akela from Sambandh - Mukesh's voice puts us to sleep :)

[irir123]

what is amazing is that, overall every composer then was giving out his best in terms of melody! but thanks much to the advent of 'angry young man of the late 70s' (where the star took the centerstage) and the overcrowding of Bollywood by star families (the Kapoors)and hopeless scripts, the decline of quality was quite rapid - ARR's ROJA was definitely a refreshing change (since 1992)for Bollywood!

it is just the bad luck of bollywood that IR's most creative years were focussed outside bollywood!

[jaiganes]

The following are the ones which IR has been inspired from
NI Music

O Kalai kuyilgale .. SJanaki ( Parthiban & Mohini) Pallavi is a sur shot inspiration of Original song in Hindi -Khoya Khoya Chand by Mohd.Rafi Music by SD Burman

Ore Naal Unai Than( Ilamai Oonjal adigiradhu) : The line oonjaladudhu has a strong influence of "Lag Jaa gale" By Madan Mohan

Inji Iduppazhaga : Old SD Burman Composition set in 2/4 tempo ( Ye dil deewana hai...)

If you hear IR's Compositions in 1978-81 the tabla & Dholak patterns have a very strong influence Or rather the same in songs Viz.,Devadhai oru Devadhai ( Pattakatthi bhairavan) Vasandha kala kolangal ( Thyagam) Vaanmegangale
(Pudhiya vaarpugal) to name a few.
the 2/4 composition you are referring from SDB is from Razia Sultan

[irir123]

jaiganes - RAZIA SULTAN has Khaiyaam as the MD not SDB!

btw, guys, DONT MISS OUT ON "Aaj Mile Man Ke Meet" sung by Manna Dey (another great singer - in fact Ajoy Chakraborty sounds a lot like Manna Dey!) and composed by Madan Mohan for the movie Nawab Sirazuddaula (1967) - it is an stunner! i think based on RaaG DESH!

How I wish IR does a full-fledged Hindustani album with Ajoy!

[irir123]

listen to that song and then listen to "mandhiram idhu" by KJY , composer IR from AVARAMPOO - both are based on Raag Desh, one in Hindustani style, the other Carnatic style! they both ROCK bigtime in their own ways

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/hindi_bollywood/s/movie_name.1486/music_director.501/

[irir123]

forgive me - I think it sounds more like "Raag sindhubhairavi" than Desh - with similarities to doordharsan's "mile sur mera thumharaa"!!

[vigneshram]

Raja's "Ajantha" audio will be released on Dec 2nd :D , in Madurai - As told by IR himself
Source: 07Nov06 Dhinathandhi

[Sanjeevi]

Raja's "Ajantha" audio will be released on Dec 2nd :D , in Madurai - As told by IR himself
Source: 07Nov06 Dhinathandhi

Yes there will be grand function in Madurai and a new trust will be formed under IR name and it will give awards for literature people for every year.

[vasanth2006]

i think mayakannadi is November/december release. cheran told this in jaya TV interview. so audio will release soon.

[rajasaranam]

The movie 'DesiyaParavai' to be released on 10th of this month. I called up the producer to get a CD of the album since I was not able to get it in the market. He asked me to come over to his office and presented a CD Saying that they are not releasing it to the market and printed only 1000 Cd's to be given away as complimentary copies. I was ovewhelmed and thanked him a lot and came back to listen to the songs of the Film. The CD was also not in regular format and all six songs were in mp3 format @128kbps :shock: When i inserted the CD i saw the title alongside each song as 'Naanum oru indian' . Since this title struck a chord inside somewhere I searched for the database in rakkamma and came up with this:
http://www.rakkamma.com/filmsongs.phtml?filmid=580
I was surprised that the track listing for this movie and the CD I was holding were ditto.
Image of the CD:
http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=04711_ScanImage05_122_528lo.jpg

Anyway whether its DesiyaParavai/NaanumOruIndian here is my take on the album.

Most of the songs are usual raaja stuff While A Soft duet title 'Enkathalan' sing by bhava and unnikrishnan Took me by surprise. It was one of best songs that i have heard off late with good orchestrations and the overlapping voices of the singer. The song Chengalpattu chinna paapa had a very bad start while it took off to totally another plane in the interludes and the tune. The interludes were sheer magic of IR trying something innovatively with human voices and little of musical instruments. And well he has done some more experiments in two more songs Chinna chinna sung by himself based on Qawwalli style. Another song titled yemarathe based on Carantic music but song for fun situation reminded me of an old song 'Jambulingamae jadathara' .
Overall the whole album was worth it for the one song 'En kaadhala' it sheer IR magic. I wonder how come Raaja is trying to do something innovative as this for such an obscure movie without any major starcast or banner :?

D/l the songs from here and post your views:
http://rapidshare.com/files/2344588/DesiyaParavai.rar

[rajasaranam]

The Song 'En Kaathalan' is in repeat mode here in my system. It is sowly engulfing me into the ocean of mystical music. 'Oru kanam un nizhalilae....Vaazhnthaalum Pothum' It is like honey being poured into my ears. Iam feeling hazy as if Iam drunk slightly. Thinking that this stuff was composed almost ten years back and sounding so fresh even today. How come this Man alone can compose music that transcends the realm of Space-time is still bewildering me :)

[realactivex]

RS,
You are awesome!
Thanks for the treat..
halloween time.. no tricks.. only treats!

[realactivex]

I happened to read all your earlier comments on IR and Hindi composers..
The posts only show your wonderful maturity in accepting good things no matter where they come from. Hats off to you all.
I wish, people from up north are as open to new music as we are.
Dig: it reminds me of something. There was a musician called Hasan Jahagir (from pakistan) who stormed india in mid 90s. T-series sold his songs in record numbers. Where is he now? There was( is?) another guy called Daler mehndi. Where is he?
Music means different things to different people. For some, only the latest numbers will do and for some, we get caught in a time warp and have a strict definition of what music should be for us. There is no litmus test to what is acceptable music. For me, good music is something which i should enjoy and appreciate all my life and to some level be universally presentable (contrasts to being universally acceptable). How many people aged over 50 would enjoy HR? I would give that credit in hindi to jatin lalit. Also,Play dheemi dheemi to an old man and he would still enjoy it.I have done it. So i know it works. IR has provided me that bliss. For a moment, i forget everything when i hear to His music.
I can recollect atleast 25 IR songs right now which are more than 15 years old and I hear them almost daily. and I have lived in a Hindi belt with no southern languages. My hindi friends cant recollect half that number of Hindi songs from 1980s. Thats the magic of IR.
Another thing which defines a musician is versatality.
In the western world, different musicians specialise in different moods. But in india, we expect everything of the same MD.
How many pathos songs have been rendered by HR? How many classical? How many situational? I dont know if HR can do a 'Madai Thirandu'. What HR is doing is the current trend. He is not future proofing his songs. An example, "Ninnu Kori" from IR or "Pehla Nasha" from jatin lalit. Major trendsetters.
HR uses a lot of computer generated/ modulated voices and heavy percussion. Technology is in his side.
If technology were to determine the best music, I wonder why computers havent been officially conferred the title of being superior to mankind.
That is because, We still love to be better than technology. and life to us is beyond technology.
Imagine having a peaceful stroll by a pristine lake surrounded by lush green earth and the chirping of birds.
Would you prefer a Himesh or an IR for the occassion? They say, music should reflect life.

I know HR scores in club dance sequences. But is that all to life? isnt there much more to life?

I would say with a head held high and a heart full of pride that when I grow old and prepare for the ethereal, i would still have IR to make me happy. I am not sure if i can say the same of other recent MDs.

All said and done, I have seen HR on TV and think that he is a nice gentleman. I only am talking about his music being compared to IR.
There are my views only. Apologies if i have ruffled any feathers.

[rajasaranam]

realactivex,
I've started loving 'Yemaraame yematha venum' too now :)
My order of preference from this album
1.'En kaadhalan' will get an easy 10/10 in any musical fans scale.
2.'Chengalapattu chinna chittu' for the innovativeness in the interludes
3.'Yemaraame Yematha' This song takes you an travel into many musical forms like carnatic, Folk [The usage of sithar paadal like thambura backing], The choral works in second interlude takes you to WCM idiom. A typical Raaja Stuff
4.'Chinna chinna' for Bringing us the northie qawalli style of music after a long time. The first interlude surprises with an african style flute [featured in Aasaiya kaathula] creating a suspense regarding the happenings on the screen. IR has been doing this all the time jumping from one musical system to another seamlessly while maintaining the basics very Indian. He simply creates magic within those given 4 or 5 mins.
5.'Deepavali innaikku' and 'Chittukuruvi'- havent listened to it much :cry:
Why so much effort for a dud movie which the producer was never able to release for the past 10 yrs and is gonna sink without trace in few days after release :cry:

[vijayr]

"en kaathalan" - I remember hearing it about 4 years back on the net. I dont think its a new album at all. They might have been re-releasing the audio along with the movie.

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/ilayaraja.html

[vem]

guys
sorry for going off on a tangent again !

Woh Kaun thee as suggested earlier is an outstanding album ; am totally spellbound by the haunting melodies from Madan Mohan......

that song shokh nazar (Parrvai onru podhume from Yaar nee in tamil with music from Veda I presume) - what a melody it is..... It has become one of my all time favorites along with ninaivo oru paravai of Sigappu Rojakkal.....

The funny thing is I dont know if it is the melodious tune or Asha Bhonsle's superb voice that makes it ever green (I know it is both - but which one's effect is greater - I seriously cant say :))

[MumbaiRamki]

D/l the songs from here and post your views:
http://rapidshare.com/files/2344588/DesiyaParavai.rar

WHat is the access code ?WHen i try tod ownload its asking for that .

[rooky]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/ilayaraja.html

[raja_fan]

IR calling himself "Isai Gnani" is embarassing.

Better if he had named it "Ilayaraja ilakkiya mandram".

[thamizhvaanan]

IR calling himself "Isai Gnani" is embarassing.

Better if he had named it "Ilayaraja ilakkiya mandram". yes!! :oops: plus, I felt that he cud have named it after his brother. I think he said he is awarding the award in honor of his brother only :roll:

[kameshratnam]

Vijayr,

Yes. You are correct. IR at one pt of time had said that his songs wud not be sent for consideration to the national awards for the best MD category

[MumbaiRamki]

I guess Desiya Paarvai change is due to Tamizh nadu Government's tax exemption

1.en Kathalan sounds very different -esp the orchestration ..Reminds me of 'Time' songs feel .The 90 tangent is takes in 2 nd interlude is superb!

2.yermanme - OK song thaan.Lyrics sounds intresting though -preachy style

3.deepavali - reminds me of nandhavana theru song ,interlude is intresting .After a long tiem men-women fight song !!!

4.Chengalpattu - CHinaa raasave song style ..mm ok - i will imagine im in 1995 and listen :)

5.Chinna chinna - By now ,i have grown 10 years younger and so this song is passable .

6.CHittu kuruvi - reminds me of the sadhu song ( pattam poochi thana ) initially ...then settles down to regular stuff ( like arumbu malare song in chandrleka)

1,3,6 are listenable ..rest ...ok boss ...naan 10 th la iruntha ,i would have said good .

[MumbaiRamki]

I guess Desiya Paarvai change is due to Tamizh nadu Government's tax exemption

1.en Kathalan sounds very different -esp the orchestration ..Reminds me of 'Time' songs feel .The 90 tangent is takes in 2 nd interlude is superb!

2.yermanme - OK song thaan.Lyrics sounds intresting though -preachy style

3.deepavali - reminds me of nandhavana theru song ,interlude is intresting .After a long tiem men-women fight song !!!

4.Chengalpattu - CHinaa raasave song style ..mm ok - i will imagine im in 1995 and listen :)

5.Chinna chinna - By now ,i have grown 10 years younger and so this song is passable .

6.CHittu kuruvi - reminds me of the sadhu song ( pattam poochi thana ) initially ...then settles down to regular stuff ( like arumbu malare song in chandrleka)

1,3,6 are listenable ..rest ...ok boss ...naan 10 th la iruntha ,i would have said good .

[buggle]

I thought Pallikoodam music was by IR, this article says it is Bharadwaj

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/26735.html

[smss_engineer]

Hi Guys!

I came to know that new CDs (Digitaly remastered) from SAREGAME were released.
and the CD contains some of the evergreens like "Alli Thantha", "En Iniya", "Ilamaienum poon" and many more..
The CD cover says "Original Songs now digitally recorded" and I asked songs are clear. and it was recorded and digitally enhanced?

Anybody knows about or bought them??? :?:

[smss_engineer]

Any body know about the Hindi films by Ilayaraja

Kamagni (1987), Mahadev (1989) and whether it is available in net or shops??

[Sanjeevi]

I thought Pallikoodam music was by IR, this article says it is Bharadwaj

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/26735.html

Again a good news

[12bums]

In the middle of all this, I think that the album 'Desiya Paravai' is a rehash of an earlier film which was never released - 'Naanum oru Indian'.

[thumburu]

An interesting tidbit about the legend PLeela who passed away recently , as told by Podhigai [ the only worthwhile tamil channel] - Do you know PLeela's last Tamil song was sung for our IR for the film "Karpoora mullai" ? . SriVidhya acts as a classical singer. Raja wanted PLeela to sing the carnatic songs and called on her. To Raja's surprise, Pleela agreed to sing only on a condition. That is , she needed one whole day to properly rehearse the song and only after that, sing for the recording. Raja was genuinely moved and touched by her dedication and sincerity to her singing career and gave her the privilege of fixing the recording date to her convenience.

[RR]

Guys,

Since the topic has become too controversial, I have no choice but to remove all discussions on "Why IR didn't score for Periyar movie". Let's discuss his music only.

[rajasaranam]

Guys,
Since the topic has become too controversial, I have no choice but to remove all discussions on "Why IR didn't score for Periyar movie". Let's discuss his music only.

I welcome that :mrgreen: :clap:

[raja_fan]

RR,

A great move indeed ! Keep it up !

Atleast from now on, I hope some people will exercise their good sense and abstain from unnecessarily deviating the topic and offending/hurting communities or sections of people :)

[K]

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Reporter/2006-11-16/pg2.php

[vem]

i come to this thread just for info on IR and music in general.

even though we canntot stop people adding their controversial remarks, it is atleast better for staunch IR supporters such as Rajasaranam, etc not to add fuel to fire.


then, the fire will untimately douse automatically.

Again, we respect IR as a musician and not as a person. He is certainly not a philosopher preaching a new faith or anything like that.

Thanks

[vem]

i didnt try to disrespect IR as a person;what I meant was we shouldnt expect him to act as we wish :) he is afterall another person like us even though he is a genius in music.

[Sanjeevi]

Nakkeeran current issue has the cover story about IR's latest controversy. The title was "Ilaiyavarajaavaa ippadi? athirichiyil sarigapathni ulagam".

Report article was a neutral at least notable amount. But Nakeeran a fraud magazine, was too againt IR.

[kiru]

Sanjeevi, what was the content of the article ? Thanks.

[RR]

Sanjeevi & kiru,

We don't want another war again. Pls take the topic offline.

[rooky]

They showed AJANTHA movie press meet on Raj TV yesterday.Ilayaraja said there are 8 songs in the movie and so in 4 languages it is 32.

[MrJudge]

kiru,

check your PM

[Sanjeevi]

Vote for our IR here

http://features.ibnlive.com/features/2006/goldensouth/tn/tn.php

[rajasaranam]

This was the hardest Decision of my life, I proclaim myself not an IR fan anymore. This is my simple way to protest against IR not composing for the movie on Periyaar. I've registered with a new ID and awaiting activation, Till then Bye :wave:
Hope I will be back soon with my new avatar relieved of the burden of being an IR fan and taking in all nonsense he is doing offlate right from Thiruvaasagam episode to periyaar. :)

[irir123]

MrJudge - can you PM me the contents of that article as well ?
thanks in advance

[realactivex]

RS,
Appreciate your disappointment with the way you have had things going. It is your personal desire which we cant intrude with.

You are an IR fan once, and you are his fan for life.
It doesnt really matter if you change your avatar.
we are still going to value your reviews, your comments, and the way you dish out and bring to the limelight great IR gems.

I am sure you will get back from your hibernation. It is winter anyways... and we will await your first post in your new profile.

And hopefully, your first post in your new avatar is about how good you like Raja!

[vem]

rajasaranam,

thanks for your decision. infact this thread just needs true fans of IR's music and not fanatics who follow him right to the bathroom and checks him there.

the point is nobody gives a damn if u r no longer a fan of IR - except u. Seriously, if u think about it in a mature way, u r trying to put ur bias in pretty much everything, instead of loving something just for pleasure.

I too havent been liking some of IR's recent albums ; but so what, whenever I get a chance to listen to his golden oldies, i once again get back to the conviction that he is the greatest :)

My best advice to u is to take thinks very lightly. First of all, it is just movies and we neednt take personally.

dont be too hard on urself by taking the hardest decision in ur life - the point is, it is not worth it. Ur harshest decision could be throwing in the towel for smoking, drinking, etc etc :) - not for this please......

[Sanjeevi]

Please understand IR is a gifted person to public not only for a particular circle :twisted:

[raja_fan]

RS,

I am one more person to welcome your decision.

Now you have discovered yourself ! that you were in a illusion till now that you were a fan of Music ! Now you realize that to be a fan of a person, the eligibility is that the person has to worship who ever you worship. Great ! This is really great :)
Good Bye !

[buggle]

This was the hardest Decision of my life, I proclaim myself not an IR fan anymore. This is my simple way to protest against IR not composing for the movie on Periyaar. I've registered with a new ID and awaiting activation, Till then Bye :wave:
Hope I will be back soon with my new avatar relieved of the burden of being an IR fan and taking in all nonsense he is doing offlate right from Thiruvaasagam episode to periyaar. :)

"ennapa ithu sinna pulla thanama iruku"

[vigneshram]

Dear Rajasaranam,
you may change your avatar and proclaim yourself that you are not a IR fan anymore. It's not that easy to shake off IR's music from your life. Wherever you go, may be from a FM playing in a bus or from a distant tea shop, Raja's music/magic will reach you and make you regret for your hasty decision.
We have all grown up with IR's music and it's not that easy to be without its influence in our life.

Anyway, that's your personal decision. Go ahead. Cheers

[kiru]

Guys..give the guy a break. I will take an atheist any day than many opportunists that I see quite often. BTW, please do not call people fanatics, unless they harm others or themselves :-( !!! .. What do you call people who gave thousands of dollars for producing one music album, however symphonic or monophonic ? What do you call people who spent hundreds of dollars for a single CD when the whole music industry in India almost dead with people downloading ? Maybe we should call these people - stupid ? Things all depend on your perspective, to the British, our freedom fighters were terrorists.

One thing is clear from many of the posts here, that IR is human and fallible just like any of us. I will have to violently agree with this point. Unfortunately, even genuine fans (not just of IR, but also other personalities) tend to believe in the devotional or philosophical lyrics that their favorite artiste is also a paragon of virtues. This is probably a wakeup call for such people. They have to adjust their one-sided relationship in future and ensure that is just a producer-consumer relationship, rather than a messenger of god, passing the secrets of swaras to them.

I just received 3 more of the 9 cds of IR, I ordered from Oriental records. They were effectively surprised there is still some sucker ordering CDs and politely asked for some suggestions. Having set aside the TIS CD and fast forwarded the tommy come come song ..(really fastly)..I am enjoying aagaya vennilaVe tharai meedhu vandhadhu EnO..Music ..really good music ..ofcourse IR is a genius..

Did I hear you say..will you preorder TIS-2 CDs ?..sorry...I will have to check with my wife :D

[Nakeeran]

Isainyani is for solely for music and not for a particular fan or a blind fan following. Lets appreciate this.
A composer like IR will surface once in a century only & lets feel proud that we also live during his lifetime & witnessed his great compos.
And lets not give a sacred tag to him and start worshipping him ! He is not a pontiff / sant. Another human being with extordinary musical sense

[Plum]

kiru, "what do you call people who donate thousands of dollars for producing one music album.."?
Music lovers :-)
(Jokes apart, I dont think it is fair to call them stupid - Dr SK is a prime example - he did whatever he did out of conviction and by all means, he was happy with the output at the end and he himself said that here. And I, for one, respect him for that. Stupid solli avangalai noga addikaadheenga.)

[Plum]

1.IR is human and fallible like us
2. Rajnikanth is human and fallible like us
3. Andvar alias Kamalhassan is human and fallible like us- idhu ellarum othuppanganu ninaikkaren. Romba kashtapattu convince panna thevai illai
4.Hard to believe but even ARR is human and fallible like us.
5. Every human being is human and fallinle like us, by default. There are *NO* exceptions - appadi exception irukkaradha neenga ninaicha, ahdu unga muttal thanam. That person who you think is an exception is your IR :-)

[irir123]

"Rajnikanth is human and fallible like us" - I never had any doubts about our superstar who makes millions without much of a drop of sweat/blood! all at the expense of our gullible audiences!

[Nerd]

"Rajnikanth is human and fallible like us" - I never had any doubts about our superstar who makes millions without much of a drop of sweat/blood! all at the expense of our gullible audiences!

Not everyone in TN is so intelligent as you are to figure that out :evil:

Without a drop of sweat/blood ---> This part was the best in your statement. Excellent.

[nilavupriyan]

Isainyani is for solely for music and not for a particular fan or a blind fan following. Lets appreciate this.
A composer like IR will surface once in a century only & lets feel proud that we also live during his lifetime & witnessed his great compos.
And lets not give a sacred tag to him and start worshipping him ! He is not a pontiff / sant. Another human being with extordinary musical sense

point

[nilavupriyan]

"Rajnikanth is human and fallible like us" - I never had any doubts about our superstar who makes millions without much of a drop of sweat/blood! all at the expense of our gullible audiences!

avar oru thuli viyarvaiku oru poun thanga kaasu koduthadhu thamilnaatu ilichavapasangalallava

[MADDY]

hmmm.....so much has gone by and i didnt notice until Selva told me last weekend....

RS, come on, i'm sure u'll come back as a stronger IR fan......... :D ....

but i feel fans should also understand the thinking of their heroes.......even ARR refused to compose "Ayyappa samy" song in Boys cos he thought it was not in good taste to compose a light hearted song abt the GOD.......though ppl. may give umpteen reasons, this was the reason as to y ARR-Shankar relationship strained......we didnt complain.....infact we should appreciate such bold decisions from the legends who have conviction in their beliefs........this is better than bending themselves to all situations....

i really take a bow to IR's bold yet landmark decision.... :D

[irir123]

"Without a drop of sweat/blood ---> This part was the best in your statement. Excellent." - maybe some day someone would write a book "How to make millions without a drop of sweat/blood" as a tribute to the genius of RK! seriously, his career deserves a place in ivy league management school lessons on marketing strategies!

[irir123]

Digression: http://specials.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/15sld01.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
"Sun Yuxi, China's ambassador to India, hit the headlines on Tuesday by asserting that Arunachal Pradesh was a part of China." - this is our country's 'head writing' - we are a nation of enuchs - am sure that the CPI and CPI(M) will wholeheartedly support this kind of a statement and who knows tomorrow West Bengal and Kerala will bcome a part of china! kerala has already bcome a hotbed of alqaeda and other terrorist cells - and wat happens in interior bengal nobody outside knows (coz the press is in complete control of the communist govt) - namma makkalukku soranai yenbadhey kidayaadhu - End Digression

[kameshratnam]

The last scene of padayappa had defied the universal law of gravity where he throws a "Vel" and it lands before the bull upright..only he can do it..

In his films starting from annamalai..he wud become the richest in just one song...he wud always choose to marry the servant maid of the house and wud nt prefer the owners daughter...adada...

We shd support films like Anbe Sivam and Heyram...and also Kamalhassan before his deep love of cinema..

I heard recently that Kamal does not even own properties as all the other people do..

[Renault]

Much ado about nothing.. comes true here..

Kamesh.. I buy your point.

[nilavupriyan]

The last scene of padayappa had defied the universal law of gravity where he throws a "Vel" and it lands before the bull upright..only he can do it..

In his films starting from annamalai..he wud become the richest in just one song...he wud always choose to marry the servant maid of the house and wud nt prefer the owners daughter...adada...

We shd support films like Anbe Sivam and Heyram...and also Kamalhassan before his deep love of cinema..

I heard recently that Kamal does not even own properties as all the other people do..

:clap:

[MADDY]

i vehemently disagree to all the Rajini bashing going out here....... :twisted: .........MODS???? :shock:

[selvakumar]

Kelambitaangaya Kelambitaangaya !! :lol:

It is pretty natural for any HC Fan of IR to go against his decision. But regristering a new ID and coming again.. IdeLLaam :lol:
BTW, I appreciate the decision of IR !

I heard somewhere that "While composing, not only our brain, but our soul should also give the best" If that is the case, no wonder IR rejected it. he is a person who loves GOD. How can you people expect him to compose for this film whole-heartedly !

:oops:

[Nakeeran]

Why an IR thread is being used as a platform to bash Rajini :evil:

Let all those purified souls visit RK thread and post

As if we are all damn pure personally :lol:

Hey, whats happening here in IR thread. All have gone off track ??

Focus back on IR and his music pls.

[realactivex]

Hi All,
A request from people like me who love IR but dont know Tamizh as much.. Please could you make your point in english. Sometimes, i (and others like me) miss the crux of the discussion when made in a language other than english.
I do understand that most of IR fans speak tamizh. But, please give a chance for non-tamizh fans of IR to enjoy this thread.
Sometimes, i see posts to blogs/links of tamizh magazines.. could someone please write a line or two about the contents in those articles in english please. I am just asking a favor from you all and asking for your magnonimity.. You are well within your rights to write in Tamizh.
Best regards

[rajasaranam]

Muthal muraiyaaga Vaai thiranthathu singam :) :bluejump: :redjump: :bluejump:
He has spoken about the controversy on 'Periyaar' issue in todays Junior Viaktan. Well it is an elaborate interview. If he had been so with every other controversies why should we get upset about it at all.
Thanks Raaja for Clarifying the doubts :victory:

[Nakeeran]

Muthal muraiyaaga Vaai thiranthathu singam :) :bluejump: :redjump: :bluejump:
He has spoken about the controversy on 'Periyaar' issue in todays Junior Viaktan. Well it is an elaborate interview. If he had been so with every other controversies why should we get upset about it at all.
Thanks Raaja for Clarifying the doubts :victory:

Maamu

Kaa vittuttu poneegale munbu. Ippo pazamaa :lol: :lol:

Puriyudha kannu. Idhu dhaan our IR engira Isai nyani.

Idhu dhaan ulagam thambi :lol:

romba unarchi vasa padadhama :wink:

[rajasaranam]

nakeeran Thambi :cool2:

Naan enna ellam kaaranam solli Thalai isai amaikanumnnu sonenno atheyellam sarindra mathirithaan thalai solli irukaar. Unga kellam thaan aapu vechi irukaar :P :2thumbsup:
My mind is reeling with over excitement. right now Am scanning the issue. it will be up in few minutes :twisted:

[Nakeeran]

nakeeran Thambi :cool2:

Naan enna ellam kaaranam solli Thalai isai amaikanumnnu sonenno atheyellam sarindra mathirithaan thalai solli irukaar. Unga kellam thaan aapu vechi irukaar :P :2thumbsup:
My mind is reeling with over excitement. right now Am scanning the issue. it will be up in few minutes :twisted:

Maaple

Your downloads / uploads are NOT NEEDED HERE. :lol:

We all know our Raja . He is netru illai naalai illai. Eppavum avaru Raja dhaan.

Oru sadharana visayathukke ippadi unarchi vasapaduriye maamu .

IR isaya pathi pesukannu . Adha vittu vittu :twisted:

We look forward to your new avatar :lol: :wink:

[Hulkster]

This is shocking to see the fans of the composer whom i adore bash the star whom i adore. Guys perhaps RK may not make the most theoretical movies but nevertheless he is a great actor as proven in his earlier movies and a very simplistic and good human being off screen. Yet people prefer to dish him as if he is bringing his film propaganda to the whole of india. Leave the guy alone and concentrate on music please. If you guys just dunt like RK movies then ignore them...dunt dish him as he is a proven actor capable of matching kamalhassan himself on his day. (proof: Moondru Mudichu,Avargal etc.) :D

[rajasaranam]

Linku,

http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88955_ScanImage001_122_504lo.jpg
http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88969_ScanImage003_122_568lo.jpg
http://img21.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=88962_ScanImage002_122_389lo.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88976_ScanImage004_122_359lo.jpg
http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88982_ScanImage005_122_366lo.jpg

...Ellavatrukkkum maelaaga Thanthai periyaarin Maanbaiyo Pugazhaiyo Evanum than isaiyinaal innum oru padi puthithaaga uyarthi vida mudiyaathu. :D Sariya sonna Thalaivaa :thumbsup:

Naan Aanmigathai virumbugira vagaiyil, Periyaarin kadavul maruppu kolgaiyil enakku udanpaadu illai endralum, suyamariyathiyum , thannambikkaiyaiyum adimattathil iruntha makkal manathilae yaerpaduthi, saathi kodumaigalai azhipatharkaaga than vaazhnaatkalaiyae arpanitha avarai naan mathikka villai endraal, naan unmaiyaana thamizhanae alla. [ Apdi podu aruvaala :) ] En Rathathil oori irukkum intha unarvae Thanthai 'Periyaar' padathirkku isai amaikka maruthirukka maataen enbatharkku sariyaana aathaaram. Ithai makkal purinthu kolvaargal

Purinjikinom thalaivaaa :2thumbsup:

:victory:

[selvakumar]

:rotfl: This thread is nothing short of others in sheer fun ! :lol: :lol:

I think IR's explanation is pretty crisp and direct ! :roll: But he himself says that he had composed for lot of junk movies. then why is he raising so many questions for THANTHAI PERIAYAAR's movie ? :roll: He doesn't believe in JYAANA SEKARAN or what ? :huh:

But whom should we believe now.. IR or JS ? :confused2:

[Sanjeevi]

Yes :D

Just completed the reading of interview given by IR for Junior Vikatan. Fantastic interview and IR has clarified all the doubts.

[Sanjeevi]

RS sila samayam ungala ninacha siripa irukkuthu

[rajdes]

RS/Sanjeevi,What were the reasons given by him? Nanga appove purinjikittom - neenga dhaan appo purinjikkama ippo purinjikittu paduthareenga :-)

[rajasaranam]

RS sila samayam ungala ninacha siripa irukkuthu

The argument has become void as Raaja has acknowledged the contribution of Periyaar to the society 'TOO LOUD and CLEAR' in the interview.
And Sanjeevi, i was voicing here the same views watever Raaja has expressed in the interview. :)
It should be the others, whoever hailed Raaja, for supposed to have taken a decision of not scoring for Periyaar movie on their theistic grounds should be Laughed at :P

[rajasaranam]

RS/Sanjeevi,What were the reasons given by him? Nanga appove purinjikittom - neenga dhaan appo purinjikkama ippo purinjikittu paduthareenga :-)

Reasons ellam illa. First off all, he was never approached for composing.
"Ennidam vanthu kottum ethanaiyo kuppaigalukku isai amaithirukiraen Thanthai Periyaar padathukku Isai amaikka maatena?" is the question raised by him.Read them from the links given by me.

And Neenga appove ellam purijikala > you people were arguing that its his own decision to do a movie or not and we should not question about it and some of them were even happy for Raaja not scoring for the movie on periyaar. If you remember well these were the line of arguements we had. And I had been proven right in my views over periyaar and it is being shared well with the composer i adore is satisfying :oops:

[popeye11]

Thanks for posting the links rajasaranam..

Lots of mysteries are clarified..

Raja Raja dhan..

[Renault]

:rotfl: This thread is nothing short of others in sheer fun ! :lol: :lol:

I think IR's explanation is pretty crisp and direct ! :roll: But he himself says that he had composed for lot of junk movies. then why is he raising so many questions for THANTHAI PERIAYAAR's movie ? :roll: He doesn't believe in JYAANA SEKARAN or what ? :huh:

But whom should we believe now.. IR or JS ? :confused2:

<Digression>: Selva, beleive in your Thala.. .. </End Digression>

Just wanted to add more weight to your statement that This thread is nothing short of others in sheer fun ! :lol: :lol:

[selvakumar]

<Digression>: Selva, beleive in your Thala.. .. </End Digression>
Just wanted to add more weight to your statement that This thread is nothing short of others in sheer fun ! :lol: :lol:

Man, I / We believe in our Thala. :P But I am not sure whether u guys believe in ur thala. :P (based on previous posts) I think this thread is something special dedicated to IR. I just laughed at it since people have already brought him down with arguements and with their own expectations on him. As Nakeeran pointed out, doesn't he belong to everyone. Even if he refuse to compose the music for EVR, I don't think it is much of a thing which is damn serious and requires new ID. I laughed at the fact that this thread too carries pretty much stuff which exist in other threads under TF :P ! did you read the statement of JS in the BOX? He clearly says that he approached him with the neat script. IR had accepted that he had composed for lot ofjunks and he wouldn't resist in composing a music for EVR movie? Appadi Interest irukkiravar.. indha padathaukku Kelvi ketkaama music potrukanum. 8-)

After all, it is a chance to compose or paying tribute to that man as well. It is only IR who can do that ! He missed it with his own assumptions on the director. Tell me... Had it not the director who has approached IR thinking that he is the man who can deliver the right thing for this movie ? Appadi mattam thatti paarkirathu thappu illaya :huh:

BTW, Why do you guys expect IR to think in the way you people expect ? :roll: He is also a human being with his own set of priorities ! :P

IR had lost yet another gem ! Can't IR make the director to correct the script if he feels it to be a commercial ? BTW, EVR ah vachu masala padamaa edukka mudiyum.. enna kelvi yo idu :banghead:

[raja_fan]

Junior Vikatan's Interview with IR ! Dont miss it !

Hey Rajasaranam, first read this and then take your new Avatar !

* IR says nobody approached him for Periyar not to speak of him rejecting the film.

Some punch dialogue from IR "Ennidam vandhu kotta padum ethanaiyo kuppaigallukku isai amaithirukkiraen. Thandhai periyaarukku isai amaikka maattenaa ?"

Some more from his mouth.

1. Periyaar doesnt need an IR to elevate him anyways.

2. Dr.GnanaRajasekharan is not a film maker, he is a cheap officer who thinks all artistes are employees under him.

And for the first time, IR talks about the films he has rejected. He says he has rejected so many films, particularly Annaamalai ( due to K.B's mistakes in Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal ) and Baadshaa.

He says "Rajini ennai neril vandhu 'sami, needhaan isai amaikkanum' endru kaettum naan maruthen. Irundhaalum , avaro naano idhaiyellaam veliyil solli kollavillai. Isayai meeriya natpu engalukkul irukkiradhu".

He also talks about Visu and appreciates his self-confidence in telling that "If IR rejects my movie, it is his loss, not mine".

[raja_fan]

Oops !

Sorry, I did not read the earlier posts !
Ellaarum yerkanave JV padichiteengalaa ? :)

RS, en advisa marandhirunga !
Inimelaavadhu summaa posukku posukku-nu kovichukkaama samathaa irukkanum, enna ?

[vijayr]

I thought RS was going to change his id to RMS- rajavidammeendumsaranam :-)

Rajasekharan claims that he approached IR with a ready made script and got rejected. Theres more to this whole thing I guess.

[Nerd]

The last scene of padayappa had defied the universal law of gravity where he throws a "Vel" and it lands before the bull upright..only he can do it..

In his films starting from annamalai..he wud become the richest in just one song...he wud always choose to marry the servant maid of the house and wud nt prefer the owners daughter...adada...

We shd support films like Anbe Sivam and Heyram...and also Kamalhassan before his deep love of cinema..

I heard recently that Kamal does not even own properties as all the other people do..

Oh yeh.. Can I show similar scenes in KH and other actor movies?? Come over to tamil films section and we can have a detailed discussion. Stop bashing rajini and I presume its the IR forum.

Sorry for the digression folks, could not resist some inane comments in the wrong forum :evil:

[MrJudge]

RS,

I bought the JV issue and read it. Still there is smoke in the air. Though IR's interview is crisp as many people think here, his version of the story differs from GS's version. To be frank, I don't know whom to believe. Though nobody has personal interaction with GS here, from his projects, we can very well understand his personality (aaarrrgh... doing the same mistake again here???). I doubt he will go that extreme against Raja. But there are couple of good things this interview brought out.

*IR's respect for Peiryar- He has acknowledged his contribution to the self-respect movement.
*His problems with Kavithalaya - I think he had taken the right decision not to compose for KB production house.

I wish someday he clarifies the issue he has with VM which is long due now :)

[irir123]

interview paditthaen - enga ooru baashaiyila sollanumnaa, "summaa nacchunu irunducchu" - all IR bashers, 'pongadaa vennnaingalaa'!

btw, was 'Badhsa', Kavithalaya productions too ? and i cant understand why IR didnt score for other RK movies which were not KB banner ?

[MADDY]

Man, I / We believe in our Thala. :P But I am not sure whether u guys believe in ur thala. :P (based on previous posts) I think this thread is something special dedicated to IR. I just laughed at it since people have already brought him down with arguements and with their own expectations on him. As Nakeeran pointed out, doesn't he belong to everyone. Even if he refuse to compose the music for EVR, I don't think it is much of a thing which is damn serious and requires new ID. I laughed at the fact that this thread too carries pretty much stuff which exist in other threads under TF :P ! did you read the statement of JS in the BOX? He clearly says that he approached him with the neat script. IR had accepted that he had composed for lot ofjunks and he wouldn't resist in composing a music for EVR movie? Appadi Interest irukkiravar.. indha padathaukku Kelvi ketkaama music potrukanum. 8-)

After all, it is a chance to compose or paying tribute to that man as well. It is only IR who can do that ! He missed it with his own assumptions on the director. Tell me... Had it not the director who has approached IR thinking that he is the man who can deliver the right thing for this movie ? Appadi mattam thatti paarkirathu thappu illaya :huh:

BTW, Why do you guys expect IR to think in the way you people expect ? :roll: He is also a human being with his own set of priorities ! :P

IR had lost yet another gem ! Can't IR make the director to correct the script if he feels it to be a commercial ? BTW, EVR ah vachu masala padamaa edukka mudiyum.. enna kelvi yo idu :banghead:

good post, selva.......btw, still i'm not clear abt this issue......he refused to do it on spiritual grounds or on directorial grounds???? :?

but his statement that he has given music for many "kuppais" really shook me......man, imagine all those who have worked with him, wat they will be thinking.......did he mean me?? :lol: .......i hope he didnt mean Mani's movies...... :rotfl: :rotfl:

[MusicIsLife]

RS,
naan intha thread vandhu romba naal aachu
but ithu neengala? IR mela kopama

Nanba mudiya villaiiiiiiiii...

[MusicIsLife]

Maddy,
sometimes we feel this movie is Kuppai, but others feel it was gr8, it cannot be generalized. It happens with everbody, when composing > 40 movies a year, when you evaluate a progress, he might have felt that some of them were kuppai's though it could have been hits!!
Hopefully it does not hurt the directors/producers who had made those "Kuppais"

[aruvi]

Annamalai was directed by Suresh Krishna who also directed Baadsha.

I must agree with IR on Kavithalaya issue. Imagine doing that!

But otherwise, I have a problem with fans thinking that they have a right and should know everything that happens to their stars. Whatever is the issue between VM and IR, it's their business. Even if IR chose to not compose for Periyar, it is his business. Unless he has gone on to state something negative about Periyar, there is no need for people to drag him into controversies.

I am sure every music director has felt he has given music to kuppai films at one time or another. I mean, SJ Surya acts...

[kiru]

RS,

I bought the JV issue and read it. Still there is smoke in the air. Though IR's interview is crisp as many people think here, his version of the story differs from GS's version. To be frank, I don't know whom to believe. Though nobody has personal interaction with GS here, from his projects, we can very well understand his personality (aaarrrgh... doing the same mistake again here???). I doubt he will go that extreme against Raja. But there are couple of good things this interview brought out.

*IR's respect for Peiryar- He has acknowledged his contribution to the self-respect movement.
*His problems with Kavithalaya - I think he had taken the right decision not to compose for KB production house.

I wish someday he clarifies the issue he has with VM which is long due now :)

You echo my feelings. More than this and the VM issue, I would like to know IR's stand on the TIS issue. This one is bigger, as it was a public effort. With this issue, we can have our private suspicions what would have happened :-) with TIS it is difficult to do even that.

[K]

http://tamil.cinesouth.com/masala/hotnews/new/15112006-5.shtml

[MumbaiRamki]

From all these i get only one thing..

Forget the person ,just hear his music and make merry :))

Our likeness for something will prejudice the opinion -really !!

FOr eg .

1.I love Illayraaja's music - would he cheat his fans in TIS ? WIll he lie for periyar movie issue ?

2.I like Fr.jegath Gasper - he is honourable person with noble intentions ( as from his interview and TIS ) -Will he lie ?

3.I like GS- He has taken bharathi - will he lie ?

From all these ,two of them should have lied here.Unless we are in the scene of crime ,no komban can tell what has happened .

So lets leave it .

PS : One thing i can tell .To refuse Annamalai,Baadsha (at a time when Raaja's market was shaken by ARR ) requires great courage ! There is less possibility that raaja would have lied here ,that too an issue with rajnikanth :)

[kameshratnam]

Ramki,
You hit the nail on the head..The reason why ir refused roja was that...after many days he was approached to compose for Kalki..but he refused it just like that.

Lets leave all things aside and enjoy his music...

[buggle]

PS : One thing i can tell .To refuse Annamalai,Baadsha (at a time when Raaja's market was shaken by ARR ) requires great courage ! There is less possibility that raaja would have lied here ,that too an issue with rajnikanth :)

As Ramki rightly specified, he did have a great courage to decline RK offer..man he rocks...
He is definitely confident that he don't need to work for another RK movie to give a hit, without him he was able to (lot of movies - Azhagi, Pithamagan.etc - i mean after Baadsha)

PS:- Also I don't think IR and RK may work together in the next movie(s)...

[Renault]

interview paditthaen - enga ooru baashaiyila sollanumnaa, "summaa nacchunu irunducchu" - all IR bashers, 'pongadaa vennnaingalaa'!

btw, was 'Badhsa', Kavithalaya productions too ? and i cant understand why IR didnt score for other RK movies which were not KB banner ?

That's coz Muthu and Padayappa were from the KSR factory. KSR hates IR and he openly said that in Tenali launch when asked that why not IR for this movie considering Kamal's liking for IR's works.

And Shankar will need ARR/HJ for his Brahamandam works.. as he claims.

[selvakumar]

interview paditthaen - enga ooru baashaiyila sollanumnaa, "summaa nacchunu irunducchu" - all IR bashers, 'pongadaa vennnaingalaa'!


You forgot to add IR FANS CUM BASHERS ! and that was a nice word to refer them and you know who STOOD WITH IR on this issue right from the start ! :lol2: :thumbsup: :lol:

[rooky]

interview paditthaen - enga ooru baashaiyila sollanumnaa, "summaa nacchunu irunducchu" - all IR bashers, 'pongadaa vennnaingalaa'!

btw, was 'Badhsa', Kavithalaya productions too ? and i cant understand why IR didnt score for other RK movies which were not KB banner ?

That's coz Muthu and Padayappa were from the KSR factory. KSR hates IR and he openly said that in Tenali launch when asked that why not IR for this movie considering Kamal's liking for IR's works.

And Shankar will need ARR/HJ for his Brahamandam works.. as he claims.

Donno Why..But KSR never sticks to same MD.May be he likes to work with different music directors.
SIRPI,SOUNDARYAN,Deva, ARR, Vidyasagar,Ilayaraja and now Himesh are some of the MDs he had worked with in his 20 movies or so.

So, i don't think he has particular liking or hate towards any MD

[selvakumar]

Donno Why..But KSR never sticks to same MD.May be he likes to work with different music directors.
SIRPI,SOUNDARYAN,Deva, ARR, Vidyasagar,Ilayaraja and now Himesh are some of the MDs he had worked with in his 20 movies or so.
So, i don't think he has particular liking or hate towards any MD

Reflected my thots on this ! :thumbsup: But what Renault says cannot be rules out either : Renault, did he openly commented about IR? What did he say ? :roll:

[vigneshram]

Yeah he openly commented when media asked why didn't he opt for IR for Tenali, with Kamal in the lead, who simply loves IR. His answer was "Kamalukku pidithaal podhumaa, makkalukku pidikka vendaamaa"

I remember how irritated and angry I was on reading that.
But after "Kaadhal konden"'s success, he told in a interview that, he was bowled over by Yuvan's music and signed him for "Ethiree"

IMHO, KSR is a pucca business person, who bets his money on successful horses of that particular time.

[rajasaranam]

realactivex,
Your mother tongue is telugu isit?
Here is a treat for you
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=811135#811135

[thumburu]

Raja's volte face - It is easier to ruffle afterall, a small bird like GnanaRajashekaran than we all know who

[umaramesh]

I cannot imagine some other MD for BHARATHI film(of course everyone knows that). I cant understand why IR asked these questions, 1.This is propaganda movie of EVR 2. Sathyaraj movie
etc. I think BASHA was produced by RMV not kavithalaya? in that case why he rejected that project also even after RK approached him personally.

IR has every right to accept or reject movies without asking above questions.

regards
ramesh

[vasanth2006]

PS : One thing i can tell .To refuse Annamalai,Baadsha (at a time when Raaja's market was shaken by ARR ) requires great courage ! There is less possibility that raaja would have lied here ,that too an issue with rajnikanth :)


Even During BABA film also, there was the news/rumour like RK approached IR, but IR rejected that offer. i think this was came in kumudham or some weekly. But I am not sure about this news.

[raja_fan]

I am sure RK would have wanted IR for Shivaji too. But preference of Shankar and resolution of IR would have spoiled it.

[realactivex]

realactivex,
Your mother tongue is telugu isit?
Here is a treat for you
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=811135#811135

Hi RS,
Cant thank you enough for the links!!
You made my day!! Thanks again! Looking forward for more from you.
I have a couple of very good IR songs..I am not sure if they have been heard in tamizh. i can e-mail them to you as i do not have any place on the net where i can upload them.

[K]

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/specials/cinema/specials/illaiyaraja_4.html

[MADDY]

I am sure RK would have wanted IR for Shivaji too. But preference of Shankar and resolution of IR would have spoiled it.

Shankar preferred HJ though :? ........if nobody had wanted ARR then how come he is in the movie?? interesting.....

actually, Rajni had a closed door meeting with IR after TIS release and it coincided with Shivaji launch.......so nobody knows what transpired between them?? 8-)

[rajasaranam]

actually, Rajni had a closed door meeting with IR after TIS release and it coincided with Shivaji launch.......so nobody knows what transpired between them?? 8-)

and Shankar Present in Bhavatharini's marriage reception just after TIS launch before the announcement of Shivaji. He has never visited IR previously on any occassion :wink: Maybe Once again IR declined the offer and said 'lets be friends nothing in professional front' as he had said to Bharathiraaja 8-)