Kandhar Shashti Kavacam

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Topic started by murugadas (@ 210.186.103.32) on Sun Nov 11 17:38:58 .


This thread is an off-shoot from the thread 'Meaning of Name' Sengalvaraya.
It was thought more appropriate to treat it as separate thread.

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[tscii:04ba245dc6]Hmmmmmmm....

I was just speaking about the Devi aspects........

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To whoever passes by...........

This is a thread that is devoted to Kandhar Shashti Kavacam and we are dealing with it in detail with all its ramifications.

Thr Forumhub has a notorious name that any thread which is started in earnest can be forced to be abandoned.

I myself have abandoned several threads on history, sastras, ancient poetry and poets, occultism, etc.
I had made more than 400 contributions by that time.

I was forced to abandon them altogether.

Let us hope that Kandha Shashti Kavacam does not meet the same fate.

These activities cost money, effort, physical pain and exertion, and above all precious time.

I operate two PC's at two different places - my own. I pay my own internet bills and also telephone bills and electricity bills.

And my library back-up is my own, costing a pretty buck.

And my research and studies have been made by me in my own little free-time available from my busy and demanding profession.

Let there be no nonsense!!!

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[tscii:462087f9fa]VaLLimalai SwamigaL preformed many miracles. He had accumulated spiritual powers which he used for the betterment of his disciples.
There are ceratain Thiruppugalz songs which have the potencies to chnage the course of events and also to alleviate sufferings. The SwamigaL used to go to the houses of people who were poor and sing certain of the hymns. The people would then be raised from their poverty.
One day, while he was playing his Ekadaarai instrument and singing, he saw a woman clad in white, who was sitting in front of him listening with rapture at his Thiruppugalz singing. Later that night, he dreamt and a poem in praise of the Goddess Sorasvathi came up in his dream.

veLLaik kalaichchi, vidhi naa idaththi, veN kamalak
kiLLaik karaththi, sanggiidhaamrudhaththi, kiLimolzichchi
eLLaththanaiyum igalzaap pugalz vaakkinikka venRan
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There was one occasion when the wife of a SriVaishnava disciple, suffered from ?obstructed labour. When the SwamigaL was informed of this, he sang on his own -

thanajayan iradham Ottum saaradhi thanai thyaanikkath
thanancayap perumaaL kaakkum thaiyalmEl karuNai seydhu
thanancayan ennum baalan tharaNiyil piRakkaveNNIth
thanacayan uthaikkap piLLai salaththudan piRandhaananRE!

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Usually the SwamigaL would sing particular Thiruppugalz hymns to suit the circumstances. But this is one of the rare occassions wherein he sang an aasukavi a poem that is composed spontaneously without thinking or hesitation..

The above type of kavi is known as madakku. The word 'thanancayan gets repeated four times.

In this he prays to Lord Krishna/Vishnu to bless so that the vaayu Thanancayan would kick the baby called Thanacayan, out with the amniotic fluid, out to be born into the world.

In Ayurveda system, it is said that there 10 types of 'vaayu's called 'Dasa Maha Vaayu's. They are supposed to be the activating forces of systems like the sympathetic, parasympathetic, respiration, metabolism, peristalsis, labour, etc. Of these 'Dasa Maha Vaayu's, the vaayu 'Dhanajaya' is responsible for labour and child birth.

Thats why the SwamigaL invoked Krihsna, the chariot driver of Dananjaya - Arjuna to activate the 'Dananjaya' vaayu to dispel the baby out which was going to be called Thanancayan.

The birth took place without any difficulty.
And the grateful father named the baby - 'Thanancayan'.

He sang it in the past tense. He was sure that it was going to effectively happen.
Such was his faith, confidence and power.

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In 1944, a young boy met him. His name was Sethuraman. One day when his family had gone to Palzani, the boy Sethu was told to stay in Madras with the SwamigaL. The SwamigaL told him the Thiruppugalz hymn, 'madhiyaal viththaganaagi' and that was his upadEsam. Later on, Sethuraman became an aruL kavi and took up sannyasam from Parthasarathi SwamigaL of Vaishnavi Temple. He became Swami Sadhu Ram. By that time, Parthasarathi himself had become a sannyasi.

In the year 1950, after the SwamigaL had incorporated his everything into Vaishnavi of Then Thiru Mullai Vaayil, he went to ThiruththaNi and made his customery worship on the Brahmotsavam with the offering of a thirumaanggalyam and pottu on the eighth day - VaLLi ThirumaNam.

Then he went to Thiruvaarur, where there had been no rain for many months and a famine resulted.

As he was fragile, he sent his disciples to the sannidhi where a thousand and two hundred years ago, Sundaramurthi Nayanar had sang his famous hymn, 'miiLaa adimai' and asked the disciples to sing that hymn there. Then he told them to sing the Thiruvaaruur Thiruppugalz song, 'karamu muLariyin' at the sannidhi of Murugan. Before the singing ended, rain clouds gathered and it rained heavily for the whole night. The SwamigaL was staying in an old dilapidated house and in the heavy downpour it was in a state of collapse. But somehow, it stayed intact and the SwamigaL was safe.

When Maharishi Ramanar was very ill, the Swamigal started for ThiruvaNNaamalai. On the way, he was almost run over by a train carriage. But suddenly he was saved miraculously.

Precisely at that moment, the soul of the Maharishi departed.

Everyone saw a brilliant light which traversed the sky.

The SwamigaL stayed in Thiruvannaamalai until the samaadhi kriyas were over. Thus he paid his last respects to the Maharshi who had been his guide who guided him to his own Guru - Seshadri SwamigaL. And also corrected his Thiruppugalz singing and instructed about its meanings to the SwamigaL who was only semiliterate at that time.

When he reached Madras, he performed the Mokshah Diipam, Mandalaabhishekam, anna dhaanam, and Thiruppugalz paaraayaNam for the Maharishi, in the Kachchaaliisvarar Temple. [/tscii:88458aa79c]

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In August 1950, the SwamigaL went to VaLLimalai once. But he did not go up the hill to his cave.

When somebody asked whether he was coming back, he replied that he will not come back; if his body comes there, to put it in a samaadhi.

When another person asked, he said he would return on Periya Karthigai Day.

Whne he returned from VaLLimalai, he never satayed anywhere permanently. He would be wandering around. He shifted places often. He never slept. He would get up in the middle of the night and sing Thiruppugalz.

In the month of October, he republished the Thiruppugalz PaaraayaNa ThirumuRai.

By that time, he was already eighty years old.

But he was always busy. He travelled relentlessly by crowded buses and trams.

He discarded his customary staying place in Madras and went to Gopalapuram. After 10 days, he went to Linggi Cheeti Street and stayed on the thiNNai of a stranger who had no attachments for either the SwamigaL or Thiruppugalz. He dissociated himself from all his disciples who were near and dear to him.

The Kandhar Shashti Festival took place from 10-11-1950 to 15-11-1950.

On all the six days, he performed Thiruppuglz paaraayanam, VaLLi Kalyaanam kaalatchebham, and anna dhaanam for hundreds of people to witness.

That was the last VaLLi Kalyaanam lecture of the SwamigaL.

In the middle of the lecture, the SwamigaL danced with ecstacy inspite of his age and fraglity.

After that his blood pressure went up. He was treated for that. After two or three days, he was taken to the General Hospital. Three people bore him up from the thinnai. One of them, Swaminathan was suffereing from a long time migraine. As he touched and lifted the SwamigaL, he felt his headache disappear and it disappeared forever.

In the hospital, he was visited by Sethuraman's brother who gave some coffee and chocolate. The SwamigaL chewed the chocholate and spat it out and asked it to be given to Sethuraman.

On the 22-11-1950, the SwamigaL was given oxygen and at 7-30 am, a drop of blood was seen to be oozing from his fore-head. At 8-41 am, the breathing stopped.

VaLLimalai SwamigaL's soul had departed from his fore-head. This was a Kapala Moksham. Thus the great Siddhas depart from the material body.

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Siddhas and yogis have the power to go into states of suspended animation. They attain temporary sammadhi states. Their bodily activities will become imperceptible. But the soul will be somewhere in their bodies. Sometimes they remove their sould from the body and go outside. Then they would reenter the body.

Just below the uchchanthalai is a very subtle opening. It is called the Brahmarandra. It is otherwise known as the 'dasama dvaara' - the 10th aperture. Why 10th? All are aware of the 9 dvaaras - 'aindhu kallaal oru kOttai; andha aanandha kOttaikku onbathu vaasal' as is mentioned in 'nondi chinhu'. The 9 dvaaras are 2 nostrils, 2 ears, 2 eyes, 1 mouth, 1anus, 1 urethal/sexual opening.

When siddhas and yogis finish their mundane existance, their soul leaves the body ideally through the Brahmarandra. Or through any of the orifices in the head. This is called 'Kapaala MOksha'. When activities cease in the body of the siddha/yogi, the disciples usually take a coconut and break it upon the top of the head to open the Brahmarandra and allow the soul to depart. This is done as a rule for siddhas and yogis.

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VaLLimalai SwamigaL's body was taken to VaLLimalai and at the expense of money and manpower provided by Parthasarathi, the body was first placed at the bottom of the hill and the disciples sang Thiruppugalz songs. In the dawn of 23-11-1950, it was taken to the cave where the SwamigaL had lived; the SwamigaL's body was subjected to abhishekas with pancamirdham, milk, honey, coconut water, and Ganga water; a crypt was dug and the SwamigaL's body was placed in it. It was filled with camphour, salt, vibhuthi, bilva leaves, and other fragrant articles and navarathna gem stones closed. Even though it took about 30 hours for the ceremony to be completed, the body of the SwamigaL remained normal.

He was thus kept in a samaadhi as was the custom with Siddhas.

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In the case of a yogic samaadhi entombment for a yogi/siddha, it is customary to dig a crypt. Sometimes the pit would be lined with cement of mortar or stone planks. The body would be placed inside in a seated posture. Then crypt would be filled with a mixture of salt, charcoal powder, turmeric powder, camphor, sandalwood, akil, nutmeg, cloves, cardomam and other fragrant objects. Navarathnam, etc., is also put inside sometimes. But that can give rise to grave robbery and desecration of the crypt. Then a plank stone would be placed on top. Over that a Sivalingam used to installed. [/tscii:746a381f99]

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Other pujas would be held for 48 days and every year Guru Pujai would be held. [/tscii:c72cf6b1b1]

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There is another form which is called 'Jiva Samaadhi'.

A siddha or yogi decides the date that he wants to go into samaadhi.

A crypt would be dug and it would be lined with plank stones.

On the specified date and time, the siddha/yogi would descend into the pit. Then it would be filled with aromatic powders and medicinal powders. Many a times it would not be filled with anything. The top plank stone would be closed. The Siddha would subdue all his life support and life activities. Some siddhas would ask the disciples to open the crypt and see the condition of the body after forty eight days. Usually the body would be intact. Then it would be closed back again.

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In the case of VaLLimalai SwamigaL, he attained KapalaMoksha and thus departed from his corporeal body. [/tscii:36600e50c7]

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The samaadhi aaradhanai was duly performed by his disciples and the mandalaabhishekam ceremonies for 48 days.

One year later, the Guru Pujai was performed.

Two years later, a bronze statue of Dakshinamurthi was installed and kumbhabhishekam with ekaadasa rudra homam, rudrabhshekam, sahasranamam, annadhaanam, Thiruppugalz paaraayanam were performed. It was during a hot summer agni natchathiram day. There had been no rain and even the sunai tank in the hill had become dry.

But on that day, there was a very heavy rain.

Three years later, the SwamigaL appeared to Sethuraman who had run away from his home and safely took him back home. He had written a composition called 'Hara HarO Haraa Kummi' with pencil on a paper and had placed it in Sethuraman's bag. He appeared in the boy's dream and told them to sing the kummi and dance.

From then onwards Sethuraman became an aasukavi and arutkavi with the ability to
sing hundredes of songs and poems. One of them belongs to the class of rathabandham called SriVaishnavi Ratha Bandham which is a form of Chithrakavi.
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Thus VaLLimalai SwamigaL attained Eternity.

His life's mission has been carried onwards by Sengalvaraaya PiLLai, ThiruMuruga Krupaanandha Vaariyaar, DMKrishnasamy Aiyer and many other organisations.

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I started from 'palzani pathi vaalz Baala Kumaara' and went on to Palzani, Agathiya, Idumban, PalzaniyaaNdavar, ThiruvaNNaamalai, AruNagirinaathar, Thiruppugalz, Vallimalai, VaLLimalai SwamigaL, Ramana Maharishi and completed this piece now.

I will proceed with the next line, 'Aavinankudi vaalz alzagiya VElaa'.

Today is Periya Kaarthigai Day.
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The next line is

'Aavinankudi vaalz alazhagiya vElaa'

'Aavinankudi' is another name for Palzani. It is also known as 'Podhini'.

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The next line is,

'Aavinankudi vaalz alazhagiya vElaa'

'Aavinankudi' is another name for Palzani. It is also known as 'Podhini'.

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[murugadas]

Sanggam Literature is a body of literature that dates back about 2000 years. How long before that time, it started? This is one question that nobody is able to answer. The origins and past history are shrouded in mystery.

Tholkaappiyam is the earliest that we have. It is a mini-encyclopedia dealing with grammer, etc. It contains 1700 lines.

There are a class of poetry known as the 8 anthologies and 10 songs.
These belong to the Third Sanggam.
There were 3 Sanggams altogether.

More than 2000 poems are extant now in this body of literature.

[viggop]

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There are a class of poetry known as the 8 anthologies and 10 songs.


Is this the ettuthokai and pathupattu?
Not wanting to divert the topic,but curious to know what these two deal with? Religion? King? Love?War?

[murugadas]

You are correct.
Theye are the Eight Anthologies - ettu thogai
Paththu Paattu - Ten Idylls or songs.

They deal with all the above aspects that you have mentioned.
Paripaadal, ThirumurugaaRRuppadai deal directly with religion.
Murugan Paripaadal and ThirumurugaaRRuppadai are dedicated to Murugan.

[viggop]

Who has composed Paraipadal?
Nakeerar is supposed to have composed thirumurugatrupadai dealing with the 6 abodes of Lord Muruga.

[murugadas]

Paripaadal is a collection of songs which have been composed by various poets.

The number of Paripaadals must have been large. But quite a lot has been lost.

What we have today is a meagre number - just a mere twenty-two songs.

They have been sung by a total of thirteen poets.

The songs are unique in the sense that they have been sung. Not recited like the other works.

Each song has been composed by one set of poets; but the tunes to the songs have been set by a dfifferent set of poets/musicians. Ten poet/musicians have set the tunes.

The songs have been dedicated to:

Thirumaal - 6
Murugan - 8
The River Vaigai - 8

The places which receive mention are Madurai, ThirupparanggunRam, Vaigai River, and Thirumaaliruncholai.

These songs reveal a lot of factual details about the Age and the environment which were prevailing at the time.

They also differ from other Sanggam poetry in an important sense, i.e., they have been dedicated to gods and they are Theological in nature.

I dont know whether there are exhaustive descriptions about each piece of Sanggam Literature in the Web. I know that the text versions are available. But what about the descritions? Commentaries? Meanings? Analysis? Research?

[murugadas]

Talking about Paripaadal again,

I said there were 70 Paripaadals, out of which only 22 were found.

Further research had revealed another 11 songs. These songs were found in the commentaries made for other literary works. The commentators had quoted the songs as 'eduththuk kaattu'.

These songs have been incorporated into later compilations.

The category of Paripaadal songs is very ancient. In the commentary to 'iRaiyanaar agapporuL', mention is made of Paripaadals among the works of the Second Tamil Canggam at Kapaatapuram.
That would place them before 300 BC.

[murugadas]

The Paripaadals are another unique group of literature.

Not only the diction is good, they were also sung to tunes.

They must have been set to the scales of various types of lutes, harps, flutes which were in existance in those days.

We would'nt know a lot of facts about these things. But we can surmise somewhat, if we draw parallels with contemporaneous things which were found among the Ancient Greeks.

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There is an old veNbaa which serves as a sort of mnemonic about the vaious works which compose the 'ettu thogai'.

Perhaps it would be good if I give the verse in Romanised Tamil?

'naRRiNai', nalla 'kuRundhogai', 'aingguRunURu',
oththa 'padhiRRuppaththu', Onggu 'paripaadal',
kaRRaRindhaar Eththum 'kali'yOdu 'agam', 'puRam', enRu
iththiRaththa 'ettuth thogai'

Those names within inverted commas are the .Eight Anthologies'.

So....you see, paripaadal is elevated with the addition of an accolade of 'Onggu'.

Paripaadal is further eulogised with this:

canggam ennum thungga mali kadaluL
aridhin elzundha paripaattu amudham.

Many people know about the puranic story about whipping the
Sea of Milk by the Devas and Asuras to obtain the Divine Nectar called Amirdham.

Amirdham is alluded to Paripaadal which has been obtained from the Sea of Canggam.

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Murugadas Sir
Hope you are fine! Please continue to post on Skanda Sashti Kavacham.Thanks

[JayBee]

I forgot my user name and the password.

So I could not post anything.
This morning, it took me more than half hour to get a new password and log in.

May be the Forumhub chaps could sort of recognise me and let me in without this hassle of logging in or registering.

Some of these cities present certain certain people with golden keys as honorary citizens of the city.

[RR]

Welcome Dr.JayBee! The site requires login only once, and thereafter you can continue to post normally. So I hope your problems are sorted out. If not, pls send an email: hubadmin at forumhub dot com .

[murugadas]

I dont know what happened to my other identity.

I am not able to log in with that.

This filtration system must be meant for mugamuudis and spammers, flamers, and those people who write all sort of funny things and obscenities.

Too bad Murugadas got caught up in that filter

[murugadas]

I was thinking something.........

Since these people have been asking about Paripaadal and all that.....

I was asking myself...."Should I not write out some synopsis about Murugan Paripaadals and ThiruMurugaaRRuppadai".

There are many things about which we know only the names - like the Vedas.

[RR]

I dont know what happened to my other identity.
I am not able to log in with that.

Just let me know the id you want, I'll change 'murugadas' to that id. (But only one id :) )

I'm sorry that there's no foolproof way (technically) to distinguish between good & bad posters. Otherwise we would've implemented it at the old site itself. This registration based site is a good compromise.

[murugadas]

So it is.

But fellows will always find a way:-)

[viggop]

I was thinking something.........

Since these people have been asking about Paripaadal and all that.....

I was asking myself...."Should I not write out some synopsis about Murugan Paripaadals and ThiruMurugaaRRuppadai".

There are many things about which we know only the names - like the Vedas.

Murugadas Sir
Please do these things.You can open up many parallel threads and teach all the things about Hinduism which you know.Vedas,upanishads,tamil religious works ,anything which will take us closer to God & make us understand our religion better.

[murugadas]

I will do them in between. I am also involved in the creation of a huge web project.

[viggop]

Thanks Murugadas sir
I know that you were actvely involved in Project Madurai.
is this another project similar to that?
Project Madurai has lot of Tamil works but no "urai" for people like me.

[murugadas]

This is a totally different project.

It has several components.

It was actually planned twenty years ago. Th planning took thirteen years.

At that time, there was no internet or web. So it was supposed to be in a different form.

But due to changes that took place in Malaysian Indian outlook at culture, religion, and literature, the plan was aborted.

Then the web appeared as a God-send. When all doors close, usually one much-needed door always appears from somewhere.

In this case, the door opened into a totally different dimension - into the Cyber Space.

Here I am:-)

And NOT even the sky is the limit in this Borderless World.

So, now the same plan and project is being laid out in the web.

Although the work, efforts, resources, five thousand books, and research of forty years are the supportive framework for this mammoth project, it is completely FREE.

[murugadas]

I will give a synopsis of the Murugan Paripaadals.
I have already written a brief introduction of the Paripaadals.

For Vedas and suchlike items, there are many websites devoted to them.

But ideal, brief explanations in a nutshell which would serve the interests of non-scholars who would want some knowledge on them - these don't seem to be available.

It actually applies to a large number of subjects.

[murugadas]

As I have already pointed out, there were 70 Paripaadals in the original compilation of the Third Sangam. Out of which, only 22 intact songs and other songs from other sources are available.

Out of these twenty-two songs, six are dediacated for ThiruMaal; eight for Murugan; and eight for Vaigai River.

[murugadas]

Those songs which have been dedicated to Vishnu, talk about His avatharams, His Divine Beauty, and proclaims that Visnu is the Omnipotent, Almighty, Supreme God and the Thirumurthithis are all embodied within Him.

The songs dedicated to the Vaigai River, eulogise the flooded flow of the mighty Vaigai which overflows the banks and is filled with swirls and foams and bubbles; the crowds of men and women who come to take picnic baths and their joyous shoutings; and the gossiping pretty lasses.

[JayBee]

I am giving an English version of the eighth Paripaadal which is dedicated to Murugan.

It deals with the birth of Murugan. It will be seen that this Paripaadal version is rather different from the version that is commonly known and the version from Kandha Puranam.

It should be borne in mind that the Paripaadal version is more ancient than whatever is found in other literature.

[JayBee]

ParipAdal

O Lord Muruga! You rode upon the elephant called PiNimugam, with the speed that smashed the ocean rocks into smithereens; SUrapanman had changed himself into a huge tree. You cut that tree to its very roots. The Mountain called Graunca was the embodiment of a fierce asura; this was situated in the north of NAvalam ThIvu. You smashed it and created a way. O Muruga with the six faces.

"You were born in the Lotus blossom with six heads and twelve arms and handsomely coloured like the sun. O Son of the Destroyer of the worlds! O SevvEL! Possessor of every greatness". These are the VeRi hymns which praise you thus. Those praises are neither true or false. Because You are the Supreme Lord of these worlds. You are praised by those virtuous beings of high birth and by those who were born low because of the sins that they had commited. All these happen due to your Divine order. This greatness will never disappear.

Lord Siva destroyed the Three Flying Forts called ThiriPuram; he went on a chariot that was the world; it was drawn by four horses which were the VEdas; it was driven by Brahma. Lord Siva's bow was the Mount MEru and the great serpent was the bow string. He destroyed them with a single fiery missile. He eats the VELvi offerings made by the dEvas. That God joined with the Goddess and enjoyed erotic bliss; thus a Divine ovum was created. Because Indra asked Siva, the ovum was cut into many pieces. The pieces were received by the Seven Divine Rishis who poured them into the VELvi fire. Later the six KArththigai Damsels ate it. Thus they were impregnated and delivered You upon the Lotus blossom of Saravana Poygai.

O Lord Muruga of Great Name! As the KArththigai damsels delivered You thus, Indra cut You with his Vajra weapon. Hence You took six forms and later became one.

While You were an infant You played at warfare and Indra witnessed this and being surprised that You could perform such a thing bare-handedly, he decided that such a person as You with such awesome power should lead the army of dEvas; The God of Fire gave You the cockerel and Indra himself gave You the peacock. Yama gave You a ram. Thus other dEvas followed suit and gave You as arms the ram, the cockerel, the peacock, bow, shield, sword, spear, battle-axe, pike, fire, garland, and bell. These You bore in Your twelve arms. And You became the Supreme Commander of the army of dEvas at such a tender age. Thus You exceeded the limits of the fame and glory of Indra himself.

! Those evil-hearted people who cause misery to other lives; those fameless people who do not follow dharmic paths; those immoral people with false apprearance of holiness; those wisdomless people who deny rebirth, heaven, hell, and liberation; these are the people who will never attain the shadow of Your holy feet. Those people who do not fall into any of these categories but who are of high moral values, who follow the dharmic paths and those who are saluted by people of great penance, these are the people who will attain the shadow of Your feet.

Hence, it is not material riches and enjoyment that we beg and ask from You; but blessings, love, and dharma are the three boons that we seek from you. Grant us these, O Wearer of the garland of Kadappam blossoms which resemble the wheels of a chariot!

[JayBee]

I keep forgetting my password.

[Sudhaama]

You want to publicise this... HOLY MESSAGE ...

... Amongst the Readers..... ALL OVER THE WORLD.... !!!!
.
.. That ... You keep..... FORGETTING.... YOUR PASSWORD....

... at par with.... the Great... KANDHA-SASHTI-KAVACHAM....!!!!!!

If you feel such communication is.... NECESSARY... FOR YOU...

...To whom..... it should be informed?... At which THREAD ????

.... Either to the .... Administrators ?.... or.... to.... US.... HERE....??????

By disappointing... US .... with your.... SUCH A HOLY !!... MESSAGE....!!!

.... On the.... THAI- POOSAM -DAY..... Still Great !!!

[JayBee]

Sorry.

I will be more careful.

[Surya]

:lol2:

Continue the discussion. Let's not stop.

:lol2:

[viggop]

Please continue this thread!

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
Hope you are well.Please continue this thread.

[murugadas]

I will do so.

[murugadas]

I had some technical problems pertaining to logging in.

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
Good to see a response from you.I was afraid that you were not well.This wonderful thread can now continue!

[murugadas]

It will. It will:-)

[murugadas]

The second of the Murugan Paripaadals is rather curious.
It is dedicated to ThirupparanggunRam.

It is to be seen that ThirupparamkunRam is quite an ancient Murugan Thalam. Because it was already around during Sanggam Age.

At present, there is a temple in ThirupparamkunRam which is the Murugan Temple. It is on the southern side of the hill.

But during the ancient times, the Murugan shrine was on the northern aspect of the hill.

It was during the time of Thirumalai Nayakkar that the shift to the southern side took place.

He renovated and refurbished the Minnaatchi Temple at Madurai and reorganised its administration.

All the festivals were rearranged. New festivals were introduced.

During the course of all those activities, the shifting of the Murugan Temple also took place.

Originally the present temple was dedicated mainly to Shakthi; other four murthis also had their place together.
It is an Early Pandya rock-cut temple. It is now considered a Murugan Temple. But the other deities are also there.

In and around ThirupparamkunRam, were lush forests and fields.

The second Murugan Paripaadal describes the beauty and greatness of ThirupparamkunRam.
It describes a peculiar incident that took place.

Quite an interesting one too:-)

Gives an insight into the social behaviours and customs of the times.

Let us see what it is all about.....

[murugadas]

To know more about the works of Thirumalai Nayakkar and the shifting of the ThirupparanggunRam Murugan Temple, please refer to the Agathiyar Yahoogroups archives where the whole thing is dealt with in a thread called 'nAyakkar kattaLai'.
The thread is in Tamil.

[viggop]

The second Murugan Paripaadal describes the beauty and greatness of ThirupparamkunRam.
It describes a peculiar incident that took place.

Quite an interesting one too:-)

Gives an insight into the social behaviours and customs of the times.

Let us see what it is all about.....

Please narrate this peculiar incident.Thanks

[murugadas]

The Paripaadal book by Saiva Siddhantha Publishing House, is the one that I use. It is in Kuala Lumpur:-)
I have UVS editted version in Sungai Petani. I was thinking it would be better to use the same book.

The Saiva Siddhanta published book is rather difficult.
Even the 'urai's need the meaning to be given. Something like the bhashyam for bhashyam:-)

I will be proceeding with the work sometime next week. Please bear with me.

It has been a duty that I have given myself and carried out these three years.
I must do it.

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
Hope you are fine.Please continue this thread.Thanks

[JayBee]

This needs some careful reading.
Perhaps two or three times.
Only then, the social aspects and beleif-systems of the ancient Tamils involved would be understood.
Many things would seem queer and strange.

The eighth song of Paripaadal is dedicated to Murugan.

Nallandhuvanaar composed the poem and Maruththuvan nal Achchudhanaar composed the music.

The opening passages describe ThirupparanggunRam.

"O Lord who possesses the vEl which split the Mount Kraunca, O Prime Lord!

ThirupparanggunRam is the place which proves itself suitable for VishNu, Sivan, Brahma, the twelve Aadhithyas, the eight vasus, the eleven Rudras, the eight lords of the cardinal directions, other dEvas, asuras, and munivars to worship you on the Earth. Hence it is equal to the Himalayas.
The fresh water spring in ThirupparanggunRam is equal to the SaravaNa poygai which brought you forth. The noise of the clouds in that hill resemble the trumpeting of your elephant PiNimugam.

When the cockerel in your banner heard that noise, it crew. Other elephants trumpeted. Hence the crevices in that hill resounded with echoes.

In the pathway between Madurai and ThirupparanggunRam, bees and beetles buzzed musically, sounding like the flute and lyre. Various flowers like konRai and kaanthaL, flowers of creepers and the fresh water spring plants blossomed and spread their fragrance. The soft southern breeze carried all this fragrance. The pathway is of this nature.

The drums of Madurai city rumble. Whenever they rumble thus, your hill produces echoes.

[JayBee]

The bees sent as messengers by love-lorn heroines, let their loves be known at Madurai. The heroes of Madurai answered their calls and came to them.
One such hero came from a city sector harbouring brothels.
He wanted to dispell the anger that his heroine might have.

[JayBee]

[tscii:8d358cf588]
He said, " ThirupparanggnRam has the capacity of producing love based on kaLavu - stealth, and proper love without interuption".

The heroine heard this.

"Hey! The smell of alien women emanates from your body now! You leave me in the morning because you want to make love with them. And then you come back to me in the evening. Therefore, you must break that lock of pledge(suuL - Ýû) that you made to me", said she.

The hero said, "O Woman with flowery eyes! I pledge upon the backwaters of Vaigai here. I pledge upon the cool hillside of ThirupparanggunRam. I pledge upon the Brahmans. What you say does not apply to me. The smell that emanates from my body is caused because my body is swathed by the breeze which wafts among the fruits and flowers of ThirupparanggunRam and carries their fragrance.
Therefore dont be upset".[/tscii:8d358cf588]

[JayBee]

The heroine said, "Release me from your pledge".
The heroines friend who was with her said, "Hey you! I am telling you one thing. Stay! Stand where you are, until I finish what I have to say. Then you pledge. You unfit son borne of lowly parents! This girl here, might die if she is afflicted by your false pledge. She is the only girl of her mother. She may have hardships because of your false pledges".
Whne the hero heard this, he said, "Is it so! Is she the only daughter to her mother? Is she such a rare and valuable person? I never knew until you told me".

The he continued, "See here. I am now touching the sands of Vaigai. I am touching the foot of the hill ThirupparanggunRam.

The maid friend who heard this replied, "If you pledge like this, the deities belonging to Murugan and His vEl weapon will make tou suffer. You may pledge, touching the feet of Brahmans; but never make such pledges upon the peacock and the vEl of MurugaveL. You are pledging by VaLLi also. Hereafter do not pledge like this. And also dont pledge by the sands of Vaigai and ThirupparanggunRam!"

[JayBee]

The man said:

" O bejewelled pretty girl!
Who leaves? Who returns? Who asks? Who answers?
We are like the single soul of a two-headed bird. How can separation and return, questions and answers arise between us? You are not giving it a thought and accusing that the pledge that I make is terrible and done without justification. This girl with eyee and lips like the flowers of neydhal and naRavam and with lustrous forehead and white teeth......the allegation that she made against me is neither true, nor is it a dream. It is untruth. Even though I am faultless, she creates anger within herself and through that anger, she tries to judge my morality and that would be discarded by god. Therefore do not do that, O Maid!

You go to His feet and worship Him and thus praise and pacify Him.

O servants of mine! Carry my sayings and spread the word around.

Let us all go to ThiruparanggunRam where everybody worships the feet of Murugan and let us spread flowers there. Let us make offerings. Let us sing with rhythm. Let us sound the kiNai drum".

[JayBee]

When the maid heard this, she retorted, "Hey man! You ask me to go and praise and pacify Murugan. Thus we know the sin of false promise befalling you. The power of Murugan shames and discards the order of death itself; before the mind of such a Murugan changes, this heroine would ring the bells and worship Murugan and thus abate the dangers that would befall because of your false promises and pledges. You will witness that she would be doing it as and when you think of enjoyment with alien women and go to their lairs".

The heroine did as her maid said and worshipped, praised, and pacified Murugan so that her husband would not meet with any hardships.

[JayBee]

On the path that goes from Madurai to ThirupparanggunRam, can be seen people with intention of going an worshipping Murugan; they take forth snadalwood, article for fragrant smoke, lamps which would not be put out by wind, fragrant flowers, big drums, belles, lasoos, peacocks,axes, piNimugam elephants, and such like which are befitting and liked by Murugan.

They reach ThirupparanggunRam and worship. They worship for many types of purposes. Young girls ask, "I dreamt that I embraced and talked with my lover. Let not that dream falsify. Let it happen. Let my lover experience it as realiity and let the Vaigai river flow with new waters so that my lover bathes in it"

Many others would pray, "Let us be fruitful and pregnant", and offer many objects.

"Let my husband win in the war that he has undertaken", pray the ladies of leaders.

[JayBee]

Correction:

going an worshipping - going and worshipping
snadalwood - sandalwood
article for fragrant smoke - articles for fragtant smoke belles - bells
lasoos - lassoes

[JayBee]

There were those that sing and had rhythmic accompaniment: and those that danced and had all sorts of instruments be beaten and played; added to that there was the echo that rose from the hill. This raised a great noise.

There were girls and women who jumped into the fresh-water springs. They had eyes, faces, hands and feet like the lotus; mouths like the 'aambal' flowers; and had sharp teeth.

Their apparels and jewels mingled with those which were worn by their husbands.

They offered to those women, aphrodisiac drinks prepared by maids, together with luscious food prepared by professional cooks.

O ThirupparanggunRam! Such inseparable couples and those who seek boons and blessings, come together and worship at the temple of the Son of Siva and Umai; He who is seated beneath the kadamba tree. Even if rains fail causing the earth to suffer, your springs and rivulets abound with fresh water. Let that prosperity be persistant and eternal".

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
What is this pledge(SUUL)? Is it something related to fidelity of married couples? If this pledge is broken, will one of the couple suffer hardships?

[JayBee]

'SuuL uraiththal' was a special form of pledge.

Normally it had three components.

1. Upon this this god, lord, own son, own wife's maangalyam, honour, kind, country, eight dik paalakar, earth, akaashavaani, holy mountains, seven rivers, seven seas, etc.

They bear witness.

2. The subject matter of pledge - marriage, fidelity, perfroming a certain act, fulfillment of an objective, maintaining honour, meeting adead-line, etc. The sky is the limit for this.

3. What will befall if the pledge was broken or could not be dealt with. And also what they will do, if the pledge is broken.

Divine wrath, curse, procuring a sin are some of the things that were beleived to result from the breaking of the pledge.

When a pledge was broken or could not be fulfilled, usually the maker of the pledge would commit ritualistic suicide.

For further details about 'Ritualistic Suicide' please refer to the following URL -

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/4262/navkanta.htm

Things also would go wrong. Curses also were beleived to be incurred.

Anger of the gods was one thing that people were very scared of.

[JayBee]

I will a few examples of pledges later in the morning.

[JayBee]

There is a temple called Sivapuri, in Sivaganggai District, about 40 km from Madurai. Its name is Thiru Thaan ThonRiisvaram. It is dedcated to the Siva of the same name. It is an ancient temple. It is actually a treasure house of rare historical information which is contained in itself and its inscriptions.

There are four inscriptions there which are noteworthy and one of them has often been quoted by historians.

The Empire of the Imperial Cholzas comprised of several kingdoms and many feudal lordships. In the north Pandya country there were several of such feudal lordships.

During Raja Raja Cholza's time, the Pandya country was almost entirely conquered. But the Pandyas were holding out in several places. Rajendra Cholza finally vanquished them and established Cholza rule directly. The Pandyan dynasty was abolished and in its place the Cholza princes were crowned as the Pandya kings. They took the name of the Pandyas for themselves. They were called Cholza-Pandyas. Rajendra Cholza took the extreme measure of Cholziyanisation of even the names - Pandyanadu became Rajaraja Pandi Mandalam, KeraLa Singga VaLa naadu became Rajendra Cholza VaLa naadu, Nirubha SEkhara ChathurvEdha Manggalam became Cholza MaarththaaNda ChathurvEdha Manggalam.

Throughout the rule of himself and his three sons and his grandson, this system was maintained, lasting for about 50 years. After that the Cholza lineage passed to the maternal grandson of Rajendra Cholza called Rajendra III or better known as KulOththungga I.

During the course of his rule, he relinquished direct control over several of the parts of Cholza Empire and gave greater autonomy to several other kingdoms. He also reestablished Pandya rule over Pandya country. In such places, he established military garrisons called 'padaiveedu's and 'nilaippuram's. His own officers and ministers were present everywhere overseeing everything. The Pandya king himself was advised by them. This system is known as a 'hegemone'.

In the midst of all this, four feudatories in North Pandya country made pacts and treaties of fealty among themselves.

They pledged that they would remain true and loyal to each other's lives, possessions, riches, and honour and uphold them. If they break the pledge would they incur the sin of slaughtering a cow on the bank of Ganggai and the sin of drinking liquor.

Chinna Marudhu Pandyan of Sivaganggai Seemai pade a proclamation in Thiruchi.

He proclaimed that anyone going against his proclamation would be equal to the hair on his private parts and also incur the sin eating cow's flesh and pork.

[JayBee]

' They pledged that they would remain true and loyal to each other's lives, possessions, riches, and honour and uphold them. If they break the pledge would they incur the sin of slaughtering a cow on the bank of Ganggai and the sin of drinking liquor.'

Please read as:

'They pledged that they would remain true and loyal to each other's lives, possessions, riches, and honour and uphold them. If they break the pledge would they incur the sin of slaughtering a milche cow(kaaraam pasu) on the bank of Ganggai and the sin of drinking liquor'.





'He proclaimed that anyone going against his proclamation would be equal to the hair on his private parts and also incur the sin eating cow's flesh and pork.'

Please read as:

'He proclaimed that anyone going against his proclamation would be equal to the hair on his private parts and also incur the sin of slaughetring a milche cow on the banks of ganga and eating cow's flesh and pork'.

[JayBee]

I saw some of the advertisements above this web-page.

What is a yanthra and how does it work?
Why would a person need a yanthra?

If a person has certain desires or needs which he cant overcome by his own human efforts, he would need to resort to metaphysical and paranormal means.

Manthra, Yanthra are all parts of the ways and means.

A person approaches another person who has mastered the arts of Manthra Saadhana. He states his problems.
The Sadhaka or practitioner works out the details of what yanthra is needed, if at all one is needed.
Then with proper rites, the specific yanthra is placed in aproper place and with due methods, the pujai or ritual is performed.
At the beginning a sankalpam is made wherein the reason for doing it is stated to gethr with full particulars of the person who needs it.

The 'manthra uru' is done with proper recitation of the manthra for a specific number of times.

At the end of the pujai, the 'phala' or fruits of the pujai are made over to yajamaan or the person in need.

Then the manthra impregnated yanthra is given to the person in need with the deity's blessings which are made over to the person.

The person gives the 'dhakshnai' gift or payment to the performer.

Due instruction as to where the yanthra must be kept, how it should be installed, what sort of initial pujai is needed, what sort of customary pujai is needed, whether some form of naivedhyam is needed, what flower, incence should be used.......
These have to be given.

This is a simplified version of the preparartion of a yanthra and how it is managed thereafter.

But this is how it should be done.


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I play all the jazz and do acrobatics and all sorts of jugglery like a publicly performing 'lambaadi' in this thread.
Even if a small crowd comes to this place its because of all these 'lambaadi' antics.
In the middle of this humble 'domba kuuththu', somebody else comes and makes his advertisement.

How is this?

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[viggop]

Adi Shankara is said to have installed a yanthra in Kamakshi Amman temple,Kanchipuram to calm down the anger of the Godess.
If it can calm down Godess anger,then it must be very powerful.

Regarding these ads,all pages in forumhub get those ads at the top. :)

[JayBee]

Yanthras can be powerful. If done in the proper way.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Regarding these ads,all pages in forumhub get those ads at the top.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But the ads are very selectively put.

This thread falls under religion.
So religion-based ads are put here.

I would'nt say that they are accidentally put here.
Nor are they random.

We dont find advertisements on muiscal CDs or real estate or matchmaking here.

Its all commercialised religion.

Well..........

Its all a matter of choices.

[RR]

Dear JayBee,
Glad to have you back. Pls continue to enlighten us.

The ads are served by Google, we have no control. It looks for keywords on a page and shows a related ad (targetted advertising). Sorry if that's obstrusive. The Hub has grown quite a bit and needs ads like Google's for survival.

[viggop]

Dr.JayBee
If you are interested, please join the Mahabharatha thread in the Misc section.We would like to know the philosophical meanings behind stories in Mahabharatha

[viggop]

Sir,
Please continue your posting in this topic.
Very interested in knowing more about our religion. Thanks

[viggop]

Dear Murugadas Sir
Please continue your posting on skandha sashti kavacham
Thanks

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
Hope u r fine.Please continue your posting in this thread.

[JayBee]

I will be continuing this thread.

[viggop]

Dear Murugadas Sir
Where have you been all these days? I thought you were unwell.Please continue this thread and spend more time on this work for our sake. :-)

[JayBee]

O.K.

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir
Please continue your posting on Skanda Sashti Kavacham. Interested in learning a lot about Hinduism from you.

[Yamuna]

In some Murugan temples, during the deeparadhanai [ when camphor is lit] one holy man sings some very moving song, not very long but very melodious , praising the Lord Murugar. Is this song called the Thiruppugazh ?
Can anyone give me the lyrics & meaning [in English] or the link for the same ?

Would be very grateful,
Yamuna.

[JayBee]

It is usually Thiruppugalz.

If you go backwards in this same thread, you will come across a lot of material on Thiruppugalz, its author Arunagirinathar, and the propagators of Thiruppugalz - Subramaniya Mudhaliyar and VaLLimalai Sachchidhanandha SwamigaL.

[S Rajan]

In some Murugan temples, during the deeparadhanai [ when camphor is lit] one holy man sings some very moving song, not very long but very melodious , praising the Lord Murugar. Is this song called the Thiruppugazh ?
Can anyone give me the lyrics & meaning [in English] or the link for the same ?

Would be very grateful,
Yamuna.


Give us some words what you here or heard. I will tell you if it is Thiruppugaz. See elsewhere, we are starting a discussion group in the forum. You may join there

SSR

[Ramachander]

My translation including transliteration has been posted in my web site
www.geocities.com/ramya475/
P.R.Ramachander

[sarithasai5]

Hello sirs!
My name is Saritha.I am kannadiga .
I have a very little touch of tamil.
I like Kandhar sasti kavacam very much.Wish to read the stotra correctly.But as I am not aware of the pronounciations,my concious is not permitting to sing as I like .So could u please let me know how to correct my self ?
Also ,heard that one who recites this stotra will be blessed with children also.
One of my cousins got married few yr back and still childless.
Want to suggest them to read this kandhar sasti kavacam,but she doesn't know tamil at all.
So what could be the alternative to read this stotra.Would just listening to kavacam be helping her?

I wld be very thankful if somebody could help in clearing the doubt.

Regards,
Saritha

[viggop]

Saritha
Hear Skanda Sashti Kavacham online.
It is in praise of Lord Murugan/Lord Subramanya

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/7/s/album.376/language.8/

[sarithasai5]

Thank u very much !

[sarithasai5]

Thank u very much !
:)

[sundararaj]

Thank you very much for all.