Would u guys want to see ARR-IR combo for a tamil movie?

[Ramakrishna]

What about IR-ARR combo for a tamil movie?

[MADDY]

a big NO

pls let ARR be happy....

[Thunderbird]

NO

IR is a genius :D

[rsubras]

YES

For Dasavatharam :)

BGM by IR

4 songs by ARR, 2 melody by IR

[A.ANAND]

AHAHAAA..KELIMBITHANGAIYYA...KELABITHANGAA!!!!

[svaisn]

NO

IR is a genius :D

So is ARR :-)

[slperson1]

They worked together before, it'd be nice to see em work together again.

[dinesh2002]

NO

IR is a genius :D

that is y we brought this topic up...we want a genius to work with another genius.....unless ur afraid that IR might not get the attention coz of ARR's genius work beeing apriciated more!!! 8-) :wink: if ungge manaselle onnum illana....support that this project will hapen & see hw both the genius will produce a great album & enjoy....chumma intha mathiri MD verinu irukathe...

[dinesh2002]

YES

For Dasavatharam :)

BGM by IR

4 songs by ARR, 2 melody by IR

since kamal is there....ARRku peeche illai...only IR's family...mabby BGM by Bhavatharini,4 songs by IR & 2 rap by YSR & 1 old IR remix by Karthik Raja..and singers r IR,YSR & Bhavatharini..... what a 'great' combination!!! :lol: :lol:

[narayanan]

If there is a project like that, defenitely its not the first project for IR in a mutli-composer movie. Auto Raja, Kannil Theriyum Kadhaigal, Senthamizh Paatu (joint with MSV if I remember). There was one more movie in the MSV-IR combo.

Neither is it for Rahman who composed for Piya Haji Ali in Fiza, Anu Malik doing the other songs.

So Yes, and why not ? As long as the producer is able to pay them both, and ARR and Raja both are ready to do a project together why should'nt the fans not welcome it ?
~~~~~
slperson,
When did they work together before ? :roll:

[slperson1]

Punnagai Mannan (1986)

[narayanan]

Punnagai Mannan (1986)

Can you say it in little more detail whenever you get time ? :D

[Thunderbird]

that is y we brought this topic up...we want a genius to work with another genius.....unless ur afraid that IR might not get the attention coz of ARR's genius work beeing apriciated more!!! 8-) :wink: if ungge manaselle onnum illana....support that this project will hapen & see hw both the genius will produce a great album & enjoy....chumma intha mathiri MD verinu irukathe...

let's see if ARR's music alone can get attention now.. then we'll think about it. I don't think his music gets attention... poor.. wat happned to Godather music :?
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so dinesh, you decided to respond to my post. how about you missed the post from maddy? why not start your lecture to him? ...
you are a biased arr fan, you'll be fired up when someone directly/indirectly ridicules arr but you'd shut ur mouth when someone else's frm ur camp doing that.

[slperson1]

He worked on the theme song.
God Father songs are a hit. Album is doing good.His music easily grabs everyone's attention.

[Ramakrishna]

Well, i see more opposition to this combo.

Many don't like these both working together i guess. :sad:

[slperson1]

7 people is more opposition? :lol: there are two kinds of people that post on forums online.those who love to love music as a whole & those which love to hate it xcept for a small portion of it. The vast majority of the people who listen to tamil music are those who don't go on forums discussing music.and those people could care less who composes the tune as long as they like it (vaazhu meenu song is a gr8 example).and that vast has nothing against ARR & IR.

i believe the two said they were gonna work together on sumthin, but i think thats a concert of some sort which mighta already happened.

[Hulkster]

ARR has stated his interest in working with IR saying that just like how MSV joined with IR he would also love to do a movie with IR.

Anyways it will be interesting to see how it gels..possibly ARR does the instrumentation for the main tune while IR orchestrates the preludes and interludes...that would be a fusion of the classical and westernised..:thumbsup:..as for others i request you all to come out of the ARR is my god IR is my god thingy...if you guys love music as a whole you should appreciate two great musicians coming together for a masterpiece.

[MADDY]

i really dont wanna see dis combo happening.....he already has a bad xperience with 10A......i think i need not worry, this will never happen....

[m_23_bayarea]

I honestly dont want ARR to work with IR, or any other MD for that reason !! I just wish they both have totally diff styles of music, and blending them both will not be as awesome as the MSV-IR combination ... ARR and IR workin together might only end up degrading the cabliber of both MDs .... Maybe ARR and Harris could work together cos they more or less have the same style, but again, even that is just a possibility .... :D :D

[dinesh2002]

that is y we brought this topic up...we want a genius to work with another genius.....unless ur afraid that IR might not get the attention coz of ARR's genius work beeing apriciated more!!! 8-) :wink: if ungge manaselle onnum illana....support that this project will hapen & see hw both the genius will produce a great album & enjoy....chumma intha mathiri MD verinu irukathe...

let's see if ARR's music alone can get attention now.. then we'll think about it. I don't think his music gets attention... poor.. wat happned to Godather music :?
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so dinesh, you decided to respond to my post. how about you missed the post from maddy? why not start your lecture to him? ...
you are a biased arr fan, you'll be fired up when someone directly/indirectly ridicules arr but you'd shut ur mouth when someone else's frm ur camp doing that.

u dun expect me to quote every each post by everyone who is against this combo and give them lecture.... there is a big difference between ur post & maddy's....in his..he mention let ARR be happy...its coz he will face lots of problem from people like u..[not mentioning ur CAMP though :wink: ] -easy,see ur own reply to this topic ...isnt it obvious maddy wanted ARR to be happy? :lol: where else u came in saying NO coz IR is genius....Maddy didint ridicule IR but u did ridicule ARR..... i hope u do know the diffs between ur post & maddy's post on the same topic....get ur facts right maapu....illaina vechrevange aaapu.... :lol:

[Hulkster]

i really dont wanna see dis combo happening.....he already has a bad xperience with 10A......i think i need not worry, this will never happen....

Whats 10A got to do with IR and ARR joining up?...what happened in 10A is something we ourselves are unsure of...but IR and ARR joining up is a totally different thing...ARR himself has stated his desire of working with IR...i dunnot think he will be unhappy with this combo. intha IR ARR ulagam vittu veliyae vaanga pa...music endra oru periya ulugathai paarungappa...:)

[Scale]

First let IR-YSR combo really happen :wink: atleast on official credit list. We/Joint section hubbers never question/quarrel who composed what?

Nadakaratha pathi pesuvoma.

[bingleguy]

Guess, they may not agree ! :-(

[Scale]

Punnagai Mannan (1986)

Can you say it in little more detail whenever you get time ? :D

:spark: Balachander movie? Who introduced ARR under his productions "Roja".

Known were Vikram (1986-KH) title song, PM(1986) theme song, Velaikkaran(1987) etc from his own mouth(ARR) on various interviews. I doubt even Agni Natchathiram (1988) which sounds different. ARR is around 20 at this period. What were his other contributions if he was there in Ir's troupe from 11? Apparantely he was also touring ZaKhir Hussain, Kunnakudi Vaidyanadhan also composed 250-300 Jingles :shock: (ARR YG) b4 Roja.

interviewla etha ethayo ketkuranunga, idha mattum deepa ketkave illai. :sad:

[Hulkster]

Those movies had ARR's use of the keyboard..but the tunes were from IR...so its sishyan playing the tunes of IR....agni natchathiram which had ninnukori varanam and rajathi raja were typical IR....PM theme song has IR's typical orchestration and Vikram had a three counterpoint humming by S janaki which was IR's touch.

[dinesh2002]

ARR normally never mentions his contribution to other mds...if it wasnt for some sources that brought up ARR was the 1 played the PM theme on his keyboard,no 1 would have known about it...coz even IR never mentions other people's contribution to his compositions....i remember reading somewhere ARR was with IR untill Velaikaran only... not after that...also some sources says ARR joined IR's troup at the age of 11-12....so its pretty a long time.... no 1 will know whats the real thing untill ARR tells about it or IR...and we know its something which both of them will never do....ARR doesnt like telling his contributions also IR never likes other names to be mentioned for his album's credit.... was mentioned by Sivamani too..... ;)

[narayanan]

Why would anyone want to discuss about it ? If a composer is to say one person's contribution is'nt he being partial ? Composing music or making a movie is a team effort.

We've have seen duo(MSV-TKR, Shankar-Ganesh, Jatin-Lalit, Nadeem-Shravan) and trio composers(Agosh, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy), have you seen them go around saying 'I did this song', 'This guy tuned this instrument' like that ?

You can see credits for special programming starting from the 90s, but not otherwise.

[dinesh2002]

Why would anyone want to discuss about it ? If a composer is to say one person's contribution is'nt he being partial ? Composing music or making a movie is a team effort.

We've have seen duo(MSV-TKR, Shankar-Ganesh, Jatin-Lalit, Nadeem-Shravan) and trio composers(Agosh, Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy), have you seen them go around saying 'I did this song', 'This guy tuned this instrument' like that ?

You can see credits for special programming starting from the 90s, but not otherwise.

yes narayanan,its very true...coz no 1 is misusing them saying they were the 1 did it when actually its another person's contribution....during IR days...be it tamil or hindi,no 1 was willing to put all the musicians name in the inlay card ,not sure y,but its a good thing it started in 1990s...now everyone will know who did wut....and that musician too will get his fame for his contribution....now everyone know sivamani,h sridar,etc etc....

[Agni]

Well atleast one can Music for songs and another one for Background music.

[narayanan]

yes narayanan,its very true...coz no 1 is misusing them saying they were the 1 did it when actually its another person's contribution....during IR days...be it tamil or hindi,no 1 was willing to put all the musicians name in the inlay card ,not sure y,but its a good thing it started in 1990s...now everyone will know who did wut....and that musician too will get his fame for his contribution....now everyone know sivamani,h sridar,etc etc

Yes, I do agree that the concept started in the 90s, but I dont think its a composers decision alone to put some detailed credits on the inlay.

Infact I dont remember Roja (came out in Lahari) had the special credits :roll: The firsts I remember are the movies released in Pyramid audio. They were the ones to start the plastic box type cassette sleeve containing the credits below the song list rather than the glass box type used by Lahari, Echo, HMV etc which used to have a blank inlay card.

Its hard to say which movie started first, for something that happened atleast 15 years before :roll: Did Gentleman original cassette(released by GAJ - Kunjumon's cassette company I guess, that also released Kadhalan later on) contained the credits ?

[dinesh2002]

seriously i have no idea which movie had it...but Sivamani lately mentioned that ARR was the 1 started this thing in India during 90s..... i think it was Pudhiya Mugam....

[Scale]

Hulk,
Agreed. No doubts about that. ARR the sishyan HIMSELF said that he played IR's tune.

>>What were his other contributions if he was there in Ir's troupe from 11? <<<

This is my excess curiosity level. Arr is not just a keyboard player apart a specialist in sound engineering, synthesizer arrangements, computerized music right from his early days.

[lancelot]

i dont want to see IR an ARR work to gether for the simple reason that i dont want to see two of the greatest MDs to be compared. both of them are great in thire own ways.

i dont think comparing them will be good. they deserve more respect than that.
the two of them may do a project to gether an have no bad motives. but am sure we loyal fans would be fighting about it.

the two of them deserve more than that.

thats just my openion

hehe
:D

[rajasaranam]

Hulk,
Agreed. No doubts about that. ARR the sishyan HIMSELF said that he played IR's tune.

>>What were his other contributions if he was there in Ir's troupe from 11? <<<

This is my excess curiosity level. Arr is not just a keyboard player apart a specialist in sound engineering, synthesizer arrangements, computerized music right from his early days.

There is no need to be curious on this... Everybody knows IR is a strict disciplinarian who wants the musicians or singers to follows his notes only. Any improvements or excesses will be severely dealt with. while MSV or ARR gave more freedom to the others in allowing their inputs. You could read this from the interview of many noted musicians. I think there should be link somewhere of the SPB interview taken by hubber/moderators on behalf of TFMpage couple of years back.
On other departments like soundengineering, synthesisers...too ARR would not had any freedom to perform otherwise we would heard much clear recording of IR's songs in 80's itself...

[MADDY]

guys, we have to agree with RS here......IR never gives freedom to his keyboard players/tabla players etc etc....he doesent even let his singers imrovise.......we know why TMS was never preferred by IR as TMS is known to improvise too much for anyone's liking......

so i guess, ARR should have just played raja's notes and nuthin much........come on guys if he cant listen to a 50 yr old pro like TMS where he wud have accepted a 20 yr old ARR's ideas......i'm not criticising IR here RS but i just wanna drive my point here....hope u dont mind....

[narayanan]

.come on guys if he cant listen to a 50 yr old pro like TMS

How ? When ?

[rajasaranam]

guys, we have to agree with RS here......IR never gives freedom to his keyboard players/tabla players etc etc....he doesent even let his singers imrovise.......we know why TMS was never preferred by IR as TMS is known to improvise too much for anyone's liking......

so i guess, ARR should have just played raja's notes and nuthin much........come on guys if he cant listen to a 50 yr old pro like TMS where he wud have accepted a 20 yr old ARR's ideas......i'm not criticising IR here RS but i just wanna drive my point here....hope u dont mind....

Yeah I understand :)
One thing on TMS issue....Every composer when coming into the field will try to go on the path already laid and which is safe to tread with. IR had TMS/Psusheela in his first couple of movies later on he formed his own team with SPB, Janaki, Yesudaas, MVD etc. and used them avidly Annakili had TMS/ Psusheela with Sjanaki.
Similarly ARR had SPB, chitra etc., for his roja later on he started introducing new singers and left them off.
So your Theory of IR not using TMS because he did improvise is not valid. Then IR shudn't have used Yesudaas too... because he is the only singer who does some improvements without the consent of IR and Raja leaves him off due to the respect he had for him.

[narayanan]

Similarly ARR had SPB, chitra etc., for his roja later on he started introducing new singers and left them off.

Not true, Roja had Minmini, Sujatha, Unni Menon, Hariharan and one song by SPB. Infact I remember Rahman introducing a lot of new names (atleast until 1997 i know of). Chitra sang very few songs under Rahman music, mostly it Sujatha who got the maximum share.

[rajasaranam]

Similarly ARR had SPB, chitra etc., for his roja later on he started introducing new singers and left them off.

Not true, Roja had Minmini, Sujatha, Unni Menon, Hariharan and one song by SPB. Infact I remember Rahman introducing a lot of new names (atleast until 1997 i know of). Chitra sang very few songs under Rahman music, mostly it Sujatha who got the maximum share.

oops that was a miss :oops: Chitra sang in Bombay rite ?

[narayanan]

Yeah Chitra sung 'Kannalane' and 'Uyire' for Bombay.

[aruvi]

Seeing this discussion by chance...would just like to state:

Chithra sang in most of ARRs Tamil albums. But yes, Sujatha would have sang more, but only by some numbers. There is no great difference, as far as Tamil albums are concerned. Nowadays, he doesn't use Sujatha much either. I guess he is trying to promote new talent.

Off late, ARR has not had success in his Indian albums anyhow. There was a time when I would eagerly await his new Tamil releases, but that was some years back. I have been avoiding his albums for some years now, and can't even recall what I heard last.

Likewise, IR hasn't been consistent in his offerings. I heard a couple of Rasathanthram songs, but they were also rehashed, though I liked the simple melodies (as I have to hear a lot of noise in the name of music more often than not).

So really, I doubt both would produce anything great if they join for a movie. I would love to have them comeback with individual classics first. Lets hope it happens.

[arr_for_ever]

Thats not good idea.. both are in seperate track....

u want intl melody music feel go for ARR.

Is any one of the song feel bad ARR compare to IR ?
(IR have so many movies not at all good)

[ajaybaskar]

Yaen rendu perum nimmadhiya irukkuradhu unga kanna uruthudha?

[arr_for_ever]

NO NO NO NO NO

[Vkrish]

MD : RAJA RAHMAN :)

IR great tunes such as "Ilam pani thulir vidum neram" mixed with ARRs innovative sounds and beats with a backing of Sridhar-Shivakumars DTS Sound Mixing will be indeed a treat ... Ellam oru Asaithan.. I think this combo can definitely rock !!!

[karthik_sa2]

ir combo with arr will never happen.even it happens there will be clash of ego between them ultimately affecting the final output.maybe yuvan-arr is possible cos yuvan is a fan of arr and arr likes yuvan.they both have almost similar taste and humble enough

[rajaalltheway]

IR BEING RIGID AND NOT LETTING IMPROVISATIONS IS NOT TRUE AT ALL.BY GODS GRACE I HAVE SEEN HIM WORKING.A FEW YEARS AGO HE WAS RECORDING FOR RAMESH ARAVINDS KANNADA FILM HOO MALE AT PRASAD AND TO MY SURPRISE THE SINGER WAS NONE OTHER THAN DR.RAJKUMAR WHO CAME IN JOKING LOUDLY WITH IR.AFTER A SHORT BRIEFING DR.RAJKUMAR TOLD RAJA SOMETHING LIKE I AM GOING TO ADD A LITTLE VIBRATIONS TO YOUR TUNE WHICH IS MY MOTHERS GIFT SINCE U R TEASING ME BY MAKING ME SING FOR A LITTLE KID(HE WAS POINTING AT RAMESH ARAVIND).IR LAUGHED BACK AND SAID DO WHAT U LIKE BUT DONT PRINT MUSIC BY RAJKUMAR ON THE CASSETTE COVER

[rayan36]

How 'bout this guys...........................

Rahman and Yuvan to sing together?

According to reliable sources, AR Rahman will sing along with Yuvan Shankar Raja in Chennai 600028. It will be the title song of the film.
Grapevine has it that the producers and director of Chennai 600028 have approached AR Rahman to sing the title song. As such, though professional competitors, Yuvan Shankar Raja and AR Rahman are said to appreciate each others music.
Since both are talented and unique in their own ways, it will sure be a treat for music lovers if this news indeed turns true!!
Watch out for more news on Chennai-600028 everyday.

An indiaglitz exclusive.

[MusicIsLife]

No
It does not make any sense.
Let IR be happy

[MADDY]

No
It does not make any sense.
Let IR be happy

same here.....we too dont want ARR's ego to be hurt in any way..... :x

[Wibha]

How 'bout this guys...........................

Rahman and Yuvan to sing together?

According to reliable sources, AR Rahman will sing along with Yuvan Shankar Raja in Chennai 600028. It will be the title song of the film.
Grapevine has it that the producers and director of Chennai 600028 have approached AR Rahman to sing the title song. As such, though professional competitors, Yuvan Shankar Raja and AR Rahman are said to appreciate each others music.
Since both are talented and unique in their own ways, it will sure be a treat for music lovers if this news indeed turns true!!
Watch out for more news on Chennai-600028 everyday.

An indiaglitz exclusive.


If ARR and Yuvan sang it would become a superb HIT.it wud sound great!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :cool:

[MusicIsLife]

No
It does not make any sense.
Let IR be happy

same here.....we too dont want ARR's ego to be hurt in any way..... :x

"We" meaning?

"Let IR be happy"- Pun was intended.

anyways: nice blog name, i like it. will post a reply to your question there!!

[Nakeeran]

No
It does not make any sense.
Let IR be happy

Enna ularreenga ? Be clear in what you state :wink:

[MADDY]

"We" meaning?

"Let IR be happy"- Pun was intended.

anyways: nice blog name, i like it. will post a reply to your question there!!

we- ARR fans.... :lol: ......i seriously think both these ppl.'s ego will be damaged in some way is they work together......i really dont want that to happen.....

surely, i'm awaiting ur reply... :D

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran,
naan ularla, just felt it does not make any sense. it is my opinion. Styles are different, egos are enormous, it does not suit for each other to work together, IR is a fast composer (super-fast i should say)- ARR: a detail oriented methodical composer. Each have definitions of melody, rythm, interludes and such, if you try to bring in the fusion, it will be a disaster (the hype might kill the end product). i dont need to clarify any further.

Maddy,
btw i did post my comments, I am also a fan of ARR Music 2, but might not be HC like you guys!!.

[Wibha]

No
It does not make any sense.
Let IR be happy

WE want ARR to b happy........ and not get involved wid IR which will lead to lotta controversies.........

wat do u mean IR b happy??? :huh:

[MusicIsLife]

Wibha,
you should have the patience to read through my posts b4 getting emotional.

[Wibha]

Wibha,
you should have the patience to read through my posts b4 getting emotional.


it's not about getting emotional.. it's like telling OK after e'thing's done

[bingleguy]

This may be a very difficult thing :roll:

[MADDY]

wat do u mean IR b happy??? :huh:

hey wibha - avaru namma aalu dhaan.... 8-) .....tension aagadha....

Manix - hahaa :lol: ....that was good...

[MusicIsLife]

Wibha,
you should have the patience to read through my posts b4 getting emotional.


it's not about getting emotional.. it's like telling OK after e'thing's done

I still dont understand what you meant by "Everything is done". That was purely my opinion!!

[Hulkster]

I am surprised to see hubbers are into wrong facts. IR has worked with MSV..his senior and the songs that came were brilliant and there was no ego here. IR appreciates rahman and so does ARR..what ego is there here. I do know that IR vs ARR topic is fought passively but that does not mean in reality its like that..while you guys are thinking of ego and many reasons IR and ARR have already composed 1 song for ninaithaaley movie and IR invited ARR for his thiruvaasagam and ARR backed IR for the thiruvasagam controversy. People support ARR and IR by all means but dunt let your support delude you guys of reality. :D

[MADDY]

I am surprised to see hubbers are into wrong facts. IR has worked with MSV..his senior and the songs that came were brilliant and there was no ego here. IR appreciates rahman and so does ARR..what ego is there here. I do know that IR vs ARR topic is fought passively but that does not mean in reality its like that..while you guys are thinking of ego and many reasons IR and ARR have already composed 1 song for ninaithaaley movie and IR invited ARR for his thiruvaasagam and ARR backed IR for the thiruvasagam controversy. People support ARR and IR by all means but dunt let your support delude you guys of reality. :D

hulk.....if we quote some exchanges that happened betn ARR and Raaja in 90's it wud be very embarassing.... :oops: ......they are totally different, their musical idelogies are totally opposite, to say the least, their achievements are too big.......with such an equation, a egoless partnership is not at all possible.....come to the real world Hulk, avungale summa irundhalum, suthhi irukkaravanga, summa irukka maattanga..... :D

[MusicIsLife]

Hulk,
you cannot compare IR and MSV combo to ARR and IR combo for the sheer reason: the composing difference. MSV and IR come from almost same school of thought. ARR distinguished himself just in the way the compositional format and the methodology. If you are in Software field it is like having a "software design pattern" where the format is overly simplified but yet complex (that is ARR style). IR is more on forming the entire composition in his mind and putting it on paper, while he is doing that, there is a lot of changes that happen. These styles are very hard to work. Again IR accomplishments and ARR accomplishments cannot be compared.

[lancelot]

i think its better off without the combo.. for the simple reason that the fans are gonna kill each other comparing..

an i think its fair to say that there may even be compertition between ARR an IR... that may lead to unsatisfaction...
but then it could work the other way 2..

hehe
:D

[Hulkster]

Yeah the intitial quotes were over exaggerated by the media as usual...avan music nalla pennuraan anaal technology use overa irukku nu sonaal media athukku oru extra angry emotion pothu evan pennura technology musicil namma orchestra isai alinchi poguthu nu poduvaanga. ARR has even said he would love to work with IR...then the statements that you guys made will not be of any concern. If ARR said he wunt be able to work with IR its a diff case..but ARR not long ago has expressed his interest..so i dunt see why they can cooperate.

Perhaps we can think diff composing styles..."egos" so totally impossible but for them it just takes abit of discussion and it is done.