Which MD is best suited for Rajini?

[Nakeeran]

True musical lovers of IR will definitely vouch for me . IR's BEST MUSICAL YEARS ARE OVER AND WHAT IS LEFT OUT NOW IS GLIMPSES OF HIS SILKEN TOUCH ONLY.

Rajasaranam, what you percieve is HOPE / OPTIMISM but not what you actually think that IR can achieve now

Its sad but an undeniable truth

Its better not to expect extraordinary things out of IR so that we will get some good stuff but not the innovations of 80s

[Nakeeran]

Rajasaranam,

As you got swayed by Vikatan's remarks, let me tell you something about Kumutham's comments when Apoorva ragangal was released. They made such a scathy comment on Rajini that he didnt forget that till date ! :oops:
Magazine comments are not a true representation of what music lovers have in their minds. :D

There was no such incident and its just your's or anybody else's wild imagination running free.
Think about this :arrow: Rajini was a nobody in 'Apoorva Ragangal' he just opens up a gate in one scene and stands alone listening to Srividya singing in the climax .What will a magazine comment about this :lol:
Well then if the magazines start commenting about every side actor who just flashes by in few frames :huh: they will need to publish a separate issue for writing movie criticism :notworthy:

Dinesh you are in Iggy mode :poke:

Rajasaranam, I dont recollect word by word account of what Kumudham wrote but this is a fact. The comments were so severe on him ( forget the fact that he appeared in brief etc )
This is not the ideal way to welcome a newcomer.

[Nakeeran]

Rajasaranam , comments by a magazine comprises a limited set of editorial team ( Madhan from Vikatan those days ) and its just a sample which doesnt constitute population.

[Renault]

Rajinikanth should really be a gifted man to have had 50 + movies with Ilayaraja's music.

He is the only person to have given songs extremely appropriate for various moods in a Rajinikanth movie. I do not need to explain this more as I would be stating the obvious.

For those claiming Raja is below his best, adopt the following steps:

Level 1: Listen to Madhu songs (Nilavai chutti, and Ketkavillaya)

Level 2: Listen to all songs in Rasathanthtram

Level 3: Go back to your 2003 collections and listen to July Ganapathy and Pithamagan

Level 4: Wait for Naan Kadavul.

If the claim is that Raja hasn't given his bets for rajini.. his last hit Veera was actually a musical hit.. which was accepted by Rajini himself in the 100th day celebrations.

Well, may be Rajini wanted to come out of the Raja spell... to bring out his individual brilliance, which was over-ridden by Raja's music those days.

[Renault]

Rajinikanth should really be a gifted man to have had 50 + movies with Ilayaraja's music.

He is the only person to have given songs extremely appropriate for various moods in a Rajinikanth movie. I do not need to explain this more as I would be stating the obvious.

For those claiming Raja is below his best, adopt the following steps:

Level 1: Listen to Madhu songs (Nilavai chutti, and Ketkavillaya)

Level 2: Listen to all songs in Rasathanthtram

Level 3: Go back to your 2003 collections and listen to July Ganapathy and Pithamagan

Level 4: Wait for Naan Kadavul.

If the claim is that Raja hasn't given his best for rajini.. his last hit Veera was actually a musical hit.. which was accepted by Rajini himself in the 100th day celebrations.

Well, may be Rajini wanted to come out of the Raja spell... to bring out his individual brilliance, which was over-ridden by Raja's music those days.

[rajasaranam]

True musical lovers of IR will definitely vouch for me . IR's BEST MUSICAL YEARS ARE OVER AND WHAT IS LEFT OUT NOW IS GLIMPSES OF HIS SILKEN TOUCH ONLY.
Rajasaranam, what you percieve is HOPE / OPTIMISM but not what you actually think that IR can achieve now
Its sad but an undeniable truth
Its better not to expect extraordinary things out of IR so that we will get some good stuff but not the innovations of 80s

I dont understand why you are beating around the bush :huh:
IR's best period is over :arrow: accepted already
IR didnt have too many great hits from mid 90's onwards :arrow: accepted already
Its better not to expect extraordinary things out of IR so that we will get some good stuff but not the innovations of 80s :arrow: accepted already

All these things are arising from the situation when we compare IR against IR. I dont want to do that and Iam comparing IR with current crop of MD's and say he is the best over here. Understood :hammer: If you got anything against this point Lets discuss, If not go to hell Iam tired :twisted:

[Nakeeran]

[quote="rajasaranam Understood :hammer: If you got anything against this point Lets discuss, If not go to hell Iam tired :twisted:[/quote]

Rajasaranam, I didnt expect this from you. DFers should have some etiquette. GO TO HELL is something which my Karma will decide :cry: :cry:
Pls stick to the issue. I have to highlight the current plight of IR to your type of OPTIMISTS to be more realistic so that you will not have further disappointments about IR.
Your set of guys resemble the MSV followers of the 80s :oops:

[rajasaranam]

Nakeeran,

Just because renault brought in 'Madhu' songs Iam saying this:
He said about 'Ketkavillaya' This is a situation where a hero is singing in 'Yekkam' towards the heroine and heroine joins in the second stanza giving hopes for his love.
A similar situation can be said for 'Paadu nilavae' from 'udhayageetham' in which hero and heroine are juxtaposed from this song. [This is the song that comes immtly to my mind there may be other songs too]
If we compare both songs i would rate 'Paadu nilavae' as IR's best but given the situation 'Ketkavillaya' is a good song filled full of emotions. Now come up with a similar situational song from any other MD and I can vouch Raja is better than the best even when he is worst compared to himself. Only 'Uyirae Uyirae' can come close to IR in this analogy.

[Nakeeran]

[quote="rajasaranam

All these things are arising from the situation when we compare IR against IR. I dont want to do that and Iam comparing IR with current crop of MD's and say he is the best over here. [/quote]

Pls dont for heaven's sake compare IR with current crop of guys around. You are only insulting IR in the process. IR IS A TRUE GENIUS WHO CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH ANYONE.
Dont voluntarily downgrade IR by comparing with current generation of copycats from latest musical software :wink:

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,

Just because renault brought in 'Madhu' songs Iam saying this:
He said about 'Ketkavillaya' This is a situation where a hero is singing in 'Yekkam' towards the heroine and heroine joins in the second stanza giving hopes for his love.
A similar situation can be said for 'Paadu nilavae' from 'udhayageetham' in which hero and heroine are juxtaposed from this song. [This is the song that comes immtly to my mind there may be other songs too]
If we compare both songs i would rate 'Paadu nilavae' as IR's best but given the situation 'Ketkavillaya' is a good song filled full of emotions. Now come up with a similar situational song from any other MD and I can vouch Raja is better than the best even when he is worst compared to himself. Only 'Uyirae Uyirae' can come close to IR in this analogy.

Great. rajasaranam. let me add more spice to Padu nilavay.

I am sure you will be aware . It was IR who suggested to the lyrics writer to make it as PAADUM NILAVAY ( from padu nilavay ) when SPB sings for Mike M.
THIS SUMS UP WHAT KIND OF SUBTLE CHANGES THAT HE MADE TO CHANGE THE COLOUR OF THE SONG.
HE HAS MADE MANY SUCH MINDBLOWING CHANGES IN THE LAST MINUTE WHICH HAD STUNNED MANY LYRICISTS !

[Nakeeran]

[tscii:48e391bac9]Rajasaranam and others,

wish to share with you all, how IR composed in the 80s. REALLY ASTOUNDING STUFF. Worth reading . PLS HAVE THE PATIENCE TO RUN THROUGH SO THAT YOU ALL WILL REALISE WHAT KIND OF IR WE HAD THOSE DAYS AND WHAT WE ARE MISSING FROM HIM TODAY.


MUSIC THE IR WAY

In Western classical world there are two distinct classifications of music. One is ‘program music’ and the other is ‘absolute music’.

The first one is the idea that music should describe stories and concepts. The other one is making music as it comes to your mind without any preset ideas. That is the belief that music should exist solely to express musical thoughts.

What Ilaiyaraaja does in films is basically ‘program music’ as he does them for a given situation or scene or emotions.

In films there are two classifications. Creating song music and creating background score for the completed feature film. In the industry parlance scoring for the background music is also called as Re-Recording (RR).

Song music

Tune Composing

Ilaiyaraaja has a sitting with the Director/Producer when the entire script is narrated to him. Then they explain the significant cues in the story where a song may fit in. Some times when they are confused and cannot decide a cue for a song, Ilaiyaraaja with his experience suggests appropriate slots in the story where a song can be used. Some times they may have two sessions-one to narrate the story and another session to compose tunes for the songs.

Now assume that they have identified five song situations in this film. Now they start the process of finalising a tune for each song.

Ilaiyaraaja sings aloud with his Harmonium various tunes for a given situation. Every thing is recorded on tape. Some times this session will go on with endless tunes from Ilaiyaraaja and finally the director/producer deciding on one. Some times the session will be over in less than 45 minutes as happened with Director P Vasu for Chinnathambi. Vasu says, "One by one as we went through the situations, Ilaiyaraaja started churning out tunes and then and there we decided very fast and every thing was over so soon".

When they agree on a particular tune for that song then that tune is recorded in a separate tape. A copy of which will go to the lyric writer. During this session itself they will decide the lyric writer for this song. During this composing session, Ilaiyaraaja will have only his assistant in-charge of vocal section Mr. Sundararajan. This old man is in-charge of maintaining the tune tapes library.

Once the tune is finalised then Sundararajan will write down the tune in the swara notation form. This will come in handy to him when he sits with the singers during the voice recording and also during the song recording with the orchestra.

As I said, the day of actual recording of this tune may be on the same day or quite some time from the time they had the composing session.

Composing the full score

On the day of recording when Ilaiyaraaja arrives at the studio at 7 am, Sundararajan is ready with the particular tune tape in Ilaiyaraaja’s room. The director is on hand to give him a gist of the situation again and also his idea of the song and the way in which he plans to picturise it.

For example, if the director says that while the heroine sings this song he is going to intercut the scene and going to show some approaching tragedy, then Ilaiyaraaja has to take care of this fact in his interlude music in the song.

Example is Paadava Un Paadalai song in Naan Paadum Paadal. When Ambika sings this beautiful melodic song at the studio, the director intercuts and shows the scene where Mohan rushing in his car which would eventually get into an accident and kill him. The interlude music will be appropriate to the scene.

There is another similar song involving Mohan and Ambika; in the song Yaar Veettu Roja Poo Poothatho in the film Idhaya Koil where Mohan sings the song in the studio while Ambika is shown in trouble. Of course, this song also has some memorable string passages.

Similarly, another good example is the beautiful song Vaanil Vedivelli…sung by Janaki/Mano in Honest Raj. The wife is singing the song, in a flash back sequence, and when Vijayakanth sings in the present, after the death of his wife, the rhythm changes totally. The whole song scenes will go back and forth from the present to the past. In the same way if the director says that he plans to use a big group of dancers for this duet, then Ilaiyaraaja has to use chorus voices positively and then he has to structure his orchestration in such a way.

With all this inputs in mind he listens to the tune once again (he has to, as in between the time of composing this tune and the day of recording, he must have composed many any other tunes and also heard many other stories and seen many other films for re-recording).

Normally the string players- Violin, Viola, Cellos, Double Bass, Brass section, etc. are not part of the regular orchestra for songs. So if he is going to use strings and any other special instruments like Sitar, Veena, Sarangi, Shehnai, etc. then he informs his Programme assistants Kalyanam and Subbiah. It is their responsibility to get the players in time for the rehearsals and recording.

Now he starts writing the entire song with orchestration in his bound pad.

Ilaiyaraaja’s musicality is more than a talent. The ideas that come to him are, in reality, completed in his mind and only have to be written down on paper. This is composing at the highest possible level. This is the gift that has won him honours as he has time and again demonstrated that he could provide embellishments or variations for a piece without prior notice or preparation. This is always evident when he makes on the spot corrections or modifications to the score for a song or background music as he takes the orchestra through the score for the final take. Contrary to popular belief that because he writes music and hence he is too theoretical in his music making, he is capable of making and does make mind boggling changes to the score at the last minute with out it affecting the over all control of the composition.

He says that once he sits with all these inputs in mind, the entire song comes to him as a flash at three distinct levels.

On one level the complete rhythm pattern of the entire song. The second is the entire orchestration. And the third is the entire vocal patterns needed.

His problem is the usual one-the mind is faster than his hand. So he says, "As I start writing, the entire pattern keeps changing dynamically. So what is finally turned out is not the one I got at the first instance. I don’t know whether the final one is better or the first one would have been the best combination." He used to ask jokingly, "Is there any equipment available that would get the entire score from my mind at one go when it strikes my mind at the first instance?”

As is his practice, the score sheet will contain the session time on the top-right hand corner-whether it is a 7 AM session or an afternoon 2 PM session.

Till 1989 Ilaiyaraaja used to record two songs per day. One in the morning and another one in the afternoon. Some times, he has even recorded four songs a day with two orchestras in adjoining studios. The top left-hand corner will have the singer name for this song. He also writes the production company name and the song name if it has been finalised already with the lyric writer.

Now it is 7.45-8 AM. The score is ready.

What Ilaiyaraaja writes is called Short-Score format in music parlance. That means it is not a full score yet; still there are a few things that he takes care during the rehearsals/recording. More over, because most of the players have been with him for many years and the chemistry is very strong, he can take the liberty of leaving certain things unsaid on the score, which the orchestra players will make out on their own or Ilaiyaraaja can verbally fill those missing pieces during the rehearsals.

The score will contain every thing. Including the chorus portions, the words or phrases for the chorus parts, male/female, solo/group, and every thing will be there. If he wants a double or treble flute or some other things like mixing of a solo violin in multiple tracks, every thing will be clearly written there.

Though he writes in western staff notation format, he marks some of the parts in swara notation form also in Tamil for the benefit of the players; this is in addition to the western notation

On the other hand what he wrote for his work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (RPO) was in full-score format. It was concert hall music. Once the score is published then any orchestra in the world could play that music in their programmes. Hence that score would contain every thing. What the conductors normally change is the tempi and other minor things in the score.

In a studio recording short-score format, for example, if a flute joins the violins in the middle of a passage and goes out, Ilaiyaraaja need not bother about writing every thing there. If he has written the melody that the flute player has to play, then the tempo and scale and pitch etc. he can verbally instruct during the take. And from his mixing console he can adjust the flute channel volume with reference to the volume of the violins so that he can decide which should be in the foreground and which should be in the background.

But in concert music full-score format, this balancing of various instruments has to be on the score-on paper. Added to this, writing for live instruments is not an easy task, as it requires deep knowledge about the range of each and every instrument and also the capability of the players available with you. You cannot write some thing for the violin and ask the sax player to play it (there is no electronics in a classical Symphony Orchestra, you remember).

On top of this, writing for concert hall music requires a very strong imagination. What do I mean?

Imagine, when the full brass section is playing a passage along with the string section and if I want to write this flute melody interlude, I should know the level at which to write the flute portion so that the flute will be heard amongst other instruments in that particular passage.

Do you understand the complexity of writing concert music for a classical symphony orchestra?

Rehearsal and Recording

The orchestra players have started arriving at the studio. They all wait to see the score as students wait outside the examination hall. Now, senior violinist Judi goes inside Ilaiyaraaja‘s room and comes out with the score. Judi’s is in-charge of copying and distribution of score sheets to everybody. He is also responsible to follow the on-the-spot corrections and adjustments that Ilaiyaraaja may make during the course of the rehearsal and recording and make sure that these corrections are made on the individual copies of the players. He has a look at the score and other members of the orchestra cuddle around him. If the score is a simple one then the players heave a sigh of relief. If it is a tough one, then they straight away start their practice to be ready before Ilaiyaraaja arrives for rehearsals. Now the score goes for xeroxing. Some 20 to 30 copies are made depending upon the number of players.

Ilaiyaraaja has his breakfast in the mean while and by 9 am he comes out of his room and proceeds to the studio hall. The full orchestra has assembled there and every one is seriously practicing their portions.

His first stop is with Puru (R Purushothaman), the man in-charge of the complete rhythm section.

Ilaiyaraaja explains to him the general rhythm scale of the song with the clapping of his hands. He explains the rhythm changes during the course of the whole song and the multiple rhythm patterns that he wants for this song. He also explains to Puru the kind of sounds he wants for each and every rhythm patterns. Puru plays some sections on his Octopad and gets himself clarified. He also plays sample rhythm sounds from his Samplers for Ilaiyaraaja to select. Once Puru is clear as to what Ilaiyaraaja wants then Ilaiyaraaja moves to the Indian rhythm section players (comprising Tabala, Dolak, etc.) if they are available and goes through the motions for their portions in their language as Nadai, Thala kattai, etc. Apart from his Rhythm areas, Puru will make himself clear about the whole song in general including the portions of all other groups.

Then he stops with his keyboard and electric guitar group comprising Viji Manuel (son of legendary Handel Manuel) and Bharani on the keyboards, Guitarist Sada (son of late music director Sudarsanam) and others.

Of course, the score contains every thing including the chords they have to play. The Keyboard/Synthesizer players will have their portions marked on the score sheet as SS, SS1, SS2, QX Prog, and SSVoice or in the name of some unavailable instruments like BagPipe, Santoor, Oboe, etc.

In some of the string and flute portions the keyboards would join the live instruments. And also whenever brass section is playing then also Viji and other keyboard players will join the live brass players to give a much richer and bigger sound. This is more so due to the non-availability of that many brass players in the field. Many a time the keyboard gang will be required to join the live chorus group with their synthesizer voices.

You must have noticed that in many of his songs the string portion is almost a mix of live strings with keyboard strings. In the same way the flute passages are mostly double or treble flutes with Neapolean (Arunmozhi, the singer) playing the live flute and Viji providing the support with his keyboards. Some times Neapolean will play it twice in different tracks so that the final output will look like as if three flute players were there.

One good example is the song Kaadal ….. by SPB/Chitra from the film Gopura Vaasalile. Or even the Povoma Oorkolam song from Chinnathambi has a beautiful double flute passage in the second background. Of course, the Gopura Vaasalile song has a beautiful orchestration with subtle things like SPB will start the Pallavi and Chitra will repeat it; but when SPB completes the pallavi, Chitra will join him for the last sentence and from then on start the pallavi all over again while SPB will withdraw; that is, the last word alone they will sing together. It was a beautiful little touch. In the same way the song Poo Malaye from Pagal Nilavu sung by Ilaiyaraaja and Janaki. It is a research material. Both of them will be singing different saranams in different octaves simultaneously.

Now he goes to the centre of the hall where a score stand with his original score pad is ready for him.

He first goes through the portions of the string players.

He puts them through their portions one by one from the various passages he has written in this song (he refers them as Backgrounds-1st, 2nd, 3rd, like that; if the song opens with music then it is 1st BGM, the music that comes after the Pallavi is 2nd BGM, like that it is classified). Corrects them in their dialogue play as well as group play as First Violin group and Second Violin group and also with the Cello group. He also makes sure that they understand clearly, in particular, the rests and pauses in their parts. Of course, abrupt rests and pauses in his scores are his hallmarks. So are the little things like interludes between the lines in the pallavi or saranam or some times even in between words.

Once the section wise rehearsals are through, Ilaiyaraaja puts the orchestra through the full song.

Now Sundararajan hums the vocal part of the song with the orchestra playing the full song. During this full song rehearsal, which is a sketchy one, Puru’s drum machine will just give a measured beat to accompany the orchestra because he has not programmed his sections yet.

During this phase, Ilaiyaraaja corrects the orchestra if there is any problem in exactly understanding his phrasing demands and also the portions involved in song-follow; that is the players including the string section who will have portions to be played during the song also. In many of his songs you can find that the orchestra is having a continuous dialogue play with the singers. An excellent example that immediately comes to my mind is the song Adho Andha Nadhiyoram…from the film Ezhai Jaathi sung by Janaki, in this song you can find the strings in constant and vibrant dialogue with the singer in both the saranams.

Some times, if he finds that the orchestra finds it difficult to play a particular phrase or passage, then he will either ask them to practice again and again and be ready for the take. Of course, during the take if he still finds them struggling with it, then he would make amendments to the score. After all, work has to go on.

When I talk about Ilaiyaraaja giving instructions, it is all very precise and to the point. For an on-looker, it will all look meaningless. In mono syllables or just some gestures. But there is an invisible communication channel between Ilaiyaraaja and his players.

Once this rehearsal session is over, Ilaiyaraaja retires to his room.

During this period Puru will be busy programming his sequencers and Viji, Sada and other electronics people with their programming work. Rest of the orchestra will be busy practicing their portions. This will take quite an amount of time.

During this period the Lyric writer arrives with the song and Ilaiyaraaja goes through the written song and checks whether it goes with the tune with out any hitch. At the end of this session the final song copy okayed by Ilaiyaraaja is ready for voice mixing. This is also the break period for Ilaiyaraaja to spend some time meeting visitors, reading or writing. In fact most of the pieces in his two albums How To Name It? and Nothing But Wind was written casually during such breaks.

At around 12.30 when his Rhythm section programming is complete and all others are ready with their parts, Puru gets into the Mixer Console Room and takes on the role of a Music Producer. (In the music parlance the one who sits on the Mixer Console and listens to the various channels and balances them to produce the desired results is called the Music Producer).

Now Puru goes through each and every section (key-boards, guitars, rhythms, strings-violins, cellos, double-bass, flute….) asking them to play their parts and balances their volume levels on the mixer. This becomes more complex with the electronic instruments as they are directly connected to the mixer and getting the right volume at the console in relation to their own individual volume settings becomes a little bit complex.

Once done, Judi or another senior violinist Prabakar take on the role of a conductor and puts the orchestra through the full song. The individual groups like live rhythm players, brass section, flute and others will be in their respective booths. Only the string section and the electronic gang will be in the main hall. And Sundararajan will be in the voice booth to hum the song or some times instead of this a violinist will play the song along with the orchestra to keep the cue for them.

With the orchestra playing the full song and listening from the Console, Puru tries to adjust the levels of various tracks and channels and arrives at a level, which he knows Ilaiyaraaja would accept.

Having been with Ilaiyaraaja from his college days, for almost two decades now, Puru should know better. Once this done, word is sent to Ilaiyaraaja that every thing is ready for the final take (that means, for the actual recording!).

Ilaiyaraaja listens to the full song from the Mixer Console and gives some finer corrections and adjustments. Some times, this last minute embellishments would tax the orchestra so much that they may require a few more practice runs before the take. Once Ilaiyaraaja is satisfied, they start the "take" process. Again and again this process continues till finally Ilaiyaraaja says it is through.

Some times, he may listen to the full song play from the console and leave instructions for corrections and adjustments if any and then leave the rest of the work of actually completing the take to Puru and others and retire for lunch. He has to write the score for the afternoon song, you see!

If the song is a complex one then they record a basic track first with the rhythm section and the vocal cue. Later on they will mix the strings, flute and other portions one by one in separate sessions.

All these works including the voice mixing sessions with the singers, Ilaiyaraaja used to do earlier. His able assistants have taken over those run of the mill tasks from Ilaiyaraaja. The team works like a well-oiled machine leaving Ilaiyaraaja to concentrate on the creative side.

Occasionally Ilaiyaraaja himself will be singing the voice track for the song instead of Sundararajan humming it or some other violinist playing it along with the orchestra during the take. For example the famous song Vaa Vaa Anbe from Eeramana Rojave. This is a two-voice song sung by Yesudas and Janaki. During the take Ilaiyaraaja sang both the parts effortlessly. Later Yesudas and Janaki mixed their tracks listening to Ilaiyaraaja’s track.

Some times the track version he sings becomes so good that it is retained in the CDs/tapes while another version by a regular singer is recorded for use in the film.

For example the famous song Idhayam Oru Koil from IdhayaKoil. Ilaiyaraaja originally had a version by himself and Janaki sung during the take. Later he had another version mixed by Balu and that was the one used in the film. In the same way he sang the voice track for the song Ennai Thaalatta Varuvalo from Kadulukku Mariyadhai. Later Hariharan listened to Ilaiyaraaja’s track and sung his version, which was used in the film. Fortunately they retained Ilaiyaraaja’s track also without overwriting it.

Later, depending upon their availability the singers will come and mix their voices. At that time Sundarrajan will be in-charge of the sessions to train them with the help of the tune tape, the swara notations he has made of the tune and also with the help of the score sheet which precisely tells you the entry and exit points. If Ilaiyaraaja is available or if he feels the song is a difficult one, then he will be there to personally mix the voices. In the same way, the chorus voices are mixed later in separate sessions.

Background Music (Re-recording)

Once the edited rough-cut version of the film is ready after the dubbing, a screening is arranged for Ilaiyaraaja. This print is called "double-positive" film in industry parlance. Because there are two positive films that will be run simultaneously. One will contain the visuals and the other will contain the dialogues. And during the re-recording sessions, the music will be recorded on another positive sound film. Of course, now days, if it is done in DTS/Dolby formats, then it is recorded on tapes/CDs. This projection will not contain the special effects sounds like opening of door or moving of a car or train or even the dishum dishum sounds of the fight sequences. Just visuals with dialogue.

Composing the Score

Once this screening is over, Ilaiyaraaja will start his sessions immediately. If he sees the film in evening then his sessions will start from 7 AM the next day. And normally the re-recording sessions are called 7 to 9 sessions; that is from 7 AM to 9 PM sessions with breaks for break-fast at 9 AM, lunch at 1 PM and evening snacks at 6 PM.

For this re-recording session, unlike a song recording, all members of the orchestra will be present. Because in a song he knows exactly the kind of instruments that will be needed. But in a re-recording session, you don’t know when you will require which instrument. Hence every one will be there. That is, apart from the regulars like the electronics group comprising key-boards, guitars, the rhythm players, flute, all the others like the violins, cellos, double-basses, the brass section comprising sax, trumpets, trombones and sitar will also be present during this re-recording sessions. Some times, special players for Brass, Saarangi, etc. will be called for these sessions from Bombay to add strength to the regular local players.

These RR sessions may take anywhere from 2.5 days to 6 days depending upon the complexity and load. If the film has more number of songs then Ilaiyaraaja’s load comes down that much. Instead, if it has more visuals than dialogues like in a Mani Ratnam or Bharathi Raaja film then his load goes up.

If the first reel has the credits running and it requires music, then it is kept aside as the last work of the project after finishing all other reels. Some times if it has a song, then he need not bother about this.

Now the projections at the studio will be reel by reel, each reel running for approximately 10 minutes. In some reels, if there is a song, then the rest of the reel should be seen for potential music inclusion.

The reel is projected. The whole orchestra, some 70 players, and the director, and all others in studio watch the film in the hall with Ilaiyaraaja. Ilaiyaraaja sits in the centre of the hall with his harmonium in front of him and resting his score pad on that. He is a picture of sphinx like concentration watching the reel and the happenings there. As I said, this version of the film does not contain special effects sounds. So Ilaiyaraaja has to take that also into consideration and there may be some shots where he may leave them blank without music to be filled up later with special effect sounds.

During the screening one can see Ilaiyaraaja making some short notes on his pad. Once the reel is over, the lights come on. Ilaiyaraaja waits for a few seconds, I think more to adjust his eyes to the light, than for any thing else.

He starts writing on his score pad. He does not hum any phrase or use his harmonium. When you see this scene, you may think that this man has seen this film many times to decide the cues for music and the compositions needed. But he is seeing the film only for the second time.

The whole theatre goes into silence mode and what you can hear is only the rustle of the paper and the scratch of pen.

Judi and Sada pull up a chair and sit on either side of Ilaiyaraaja with their notepads ready. Behind Ilaiyaraaja, other players start assembling with their notepads in hand. Oblivious of all these hustle and bustle, Ilaiyaraaja is seriously writing the score. And the players from different groups start copying their individual parts then there, if there is any thing for them in that reel. You see, there is no time to waste; to wait for him to complete the full score and then take xerox copies for every one and all other luxuries that you enjoy in a song recording.

You can notice one group calling the others who are chatting outside with their tea and smoke, "Brass is there, go in". You can see the brass players rushing inside to copy their parts. The sitar player who is sparingly used normally, and usually spends most of his time in rest during the entire re-recording session will get a call when he least expects it. He would have seen the reel with Ilaiyaraaja like all others and might have thought that this reel contains nothing that may demand a sitar and might have gone out again to relax till the next reel is projected. But then, with Ilaiyaraaja, you can never predict what he will do next. Suddenly the sitar man gets a call to come in and take his score.

Now Ilaiyaraaja has finished his writing. Players are settling in their seats. And Judi gets his clarifications and makes sure that all those who have copied their parts have done it right by checking the score of each and every group. Every one is ready on their seats. (Now days, some times, Ilaiyaraaja uses a key-board and he directly feeds some of the portions into it from his mind and the rest he writes down as usual. For Hey Ram the re-recording for which he plans to record in India and also in the Europe with a classical orchestra, he directly composed on the key-board and the attached computer with the score management software printed out the entire score. Once you input the score to this software then it becomes easy to separate the parts of the score instrument wise and print them separately and also a combined score for the conductor.)

Now the orchestra knows that there are six musical pieces in this reel and the instruments involved in each of these pieces and the length of the pieces. But nobody knows where this music pieces are to be fit in. Where they are going to begin, where to end.

Of course, they are not bothered about the ending. Because Ilaiyaraaja writes exactly for the time required for the sequence. With out using a stop watch or music editor, he normally writes music that exactly fits the required timing. May be, he has a mental clock that while deciding the start cue and end cue for a music bit, is also capable of calculating the exact footage and the required timing for that footage!

For example, I am taking a reel from the Mani Ratnam film Mouna Raagam, which I consider one of the best study materials on background scoring in film music.

The reel starts mid-way after the song Oho, Megam Vanthatho.

Revathi comes home thinking the boy who was to come and see her for marriage would have gone back. No, he was still waiting to talk with her. Her mother and others scold and get her ready. She is pushed into the room where Mohan is waiting.
This meeting with the boy is some thing she wanted to avoid but couldn’t. Now she enters the room with a lot of reservations and confusions. She starts talking to him hesitatingly to begin with. First she says she won't say sorry for keeping him waiting. Then she talks about herself, her character, her concept of marriage, etc, and why she feels she could not be a good wife to him, etc.
Finally when she asks Mohan to talk some thing, he says "I like you very much" and pushes off.
Every one is happily talking that the boy has agreed for the marriage and about the preparations to be done.
Nobody asks Revathi her opinion. Her sister-in-law reminds every one about this. Her father asks her opinion. She says no. Every one was very unhappy and asks her to give reasons. She says no again and again.
Her father stands up and talks about his middle class background and his responsibility of getting her other sisters married, etc.
Now Revathi asks her father whether he wants to sell her to some one to clear his responsibility.
Her father slaps her.
She walks out of the house, goes and sits on a roadside stone talking to herself, it is a moon lit night.
When Ilaiyaraaja completes the score for this reel, the orchestra has the following:

A short piece with Guitar and Keyboard
A single stroke bang on the mridangam
A small piece by Keyboard, sitar and Guitar
Guitar, Keyboard and Strings.
A flute piece starting with Guitar and later keyboards join to repeat what they did in # 4.
A piece beginning with violins and answered by the cellos. At the end the key-boards join giving some kind of night effect.
Ilaiyaraaja gets up and without even looking around to see whether all of them are ready (they are), starts putting them through the score for a short rehearsal. Piece by piece. Once he has put them through all the pieces in this reel, he signals the operator to start the reel screening again.

The reel starts running again. Now Ilaiyaraaja watches the movie in silence. And the orchestra is in a constant alert waiting for his signal. He looks like a man possessed, with total concentration on the screen. His hands ever ready to conduct the score.

When Revathi enters the house asking her mother whether they have left any thing for her to eat, she stops dumbstruck seeing Mohan and all others. When Revathi sees them, Ilaiyaraaja's hand signals the Keyboard and Guitar.
While getting dressed, Revathi hears that the boy is still waiting because he wants to talk to her some thing; his hand signals the rhythm man-for the single stroke bang on the mridangam. This player was waiting for this because he knew that his piece was the next one in this reel.
Revathi enters the room and sees Mohan. Now his hand signals the sitar player (he is sitting behind him and Ilaiyaraaja does not bother to see any body, his concentration totally on the screen only. Any way, the sitar man knew that it was his turn next). This piece is some kind of a broken piece with silence or as he calls in music parlance, with rests in between. This is to go with the emotions of the character that enters the room with a lot of reluctance and reservations.
Just before Revathi completes her initial intro saying "I am not going to say sorry for keeping you all waiting" this piece ends giving a bit of silence.
When she completes this sentence, Ilaiyaraaja signals the next piece by Guitar, Keyboards and strings.
The music on its own ends just a few seconds before Revathi completes her monologue and tells Mohan that she won’t be a good wife and asks his opinion. What was written fits exactly only that much that Ilaiyaraaja has planned. More over, the silence created before Revathi completes her monologue and waits for Mohan’s answer is intentional in creating a tension.
When Mohan says that he likes her very much, Ilaiyaraaja signals the Rhythm man again and then the Sitar man. This is some kind of a short dialogue between Rhythm and Sitar
The next piece starts when Revathi’s father starts talking about his middle class state, etc. Ilaiyaraaja signals the Guitar, flute and Keyboard. After the initial flute bit, the Keyboards repeat what they played in the earlier piece, that is, when Revathi was talking with Mohan.
Revathi starts replying her father…
Now Ilaiyaraaja signals the string section to be ready; once her father slaps Revathi, his hand moves like a flash, the Keyboards withdraw and a new piece starts with violins and they are answered vigorously by the cellos. This dialogue continues till Revathi comes out of the house and sits on a road side stone, talking to herself; when the moon is shown, Ilaiyaraaja signals the night effect key-boards to join.
This process is called "Synchronizing the music with the visuals".

When Ilaiyaraaja does this process, that is conducting the score while seeing the movie, Puru is busy marking the beginning cues of each and every piece and also where exactly it ends. The starting cues he also marks in the form of the reel counter that is running above the screen. Of course, Ilaiyaraaja also in between, when he is waiting for the next cue, gives Puru and other members involved in this reel some finer instructions about the other aspects. And if there are any pieces for chorus voices they are also ready with the orchestra. Normally when he sees the full film, he gets an idea about the reels in which he would be needing chorus voices, and accordingly they will be called. They won’t be present all the time like other members of the orchestra.

Once the reel is over, Ilaiyaraaja gets into the Mixer Console room and Puru takes on the role of the Conductor for the session. The reel is screened again with the speakers in the hall switched off and Puru with his headphone listens to the dialogue and watches the screen and conducts the orchestra for the different cues. Again individual groups play from the different mikes and booths.

They play once when Ilaiyaraaja listens from the console and balances the tracks. And the next time it is take. They record the pieces one by one. The whole process normally takes anywhere between 1 hour to 6 hours, depending up on the complexity.

Ilaiyaraaja says that the most important instrument in his armory is ‘silence’. All other things are just instruments to create that ‘silence’. He just uses other instruments to leave at the ‘silence’ point to create tension, excitement or melancholy. If you have keenly watched his background scores, you can notice, just at that moment when you feel tension, then you can notice that he has stopped his music, which is why you are feeling the tension or concentration. This he uses effectively even in fight sequences, when suddenly he stops the music and leaves only the effects to go on and that makes you attentive suddenly without your realising it.

Some times, the director may not have finalised his version of some of the scenes. In such cases, Ilaiyaraaja would record two or three version of music for that reel, one for a version with the particular scene and one with out that scene. He is always particular that if the director removes that scene later then the music should not appear to be stopping abruptly. Hence in such cases Ilaiyaraaja will give two or three versions for the director to choose later.

While seeing the full film, he gets an idea whether he is going to compose new theme music for this story or going to use one of the song tunes as the theme. And many times he has many themes for many characters or situations that get repeated throughout the movie in different variations to create different moods. When he takes up the music writing for credits (first reel or some times partly first reel and partly last reel) he weaves these themes in to that or uses the song themes. It all depends on what mood he wants to create.

In Thalapathi when he found out that the final film had more on mother-son sentiment than friendship sentiment as originally narrated to him during the composing sessions, he decided to use the Chinnathai song as the theme. He used that in different variations to build the emotional colour of the story as a mother-son story.

In Idhayathai Thirudathe, the credits come on only after some time when Nagarjuna gets into an accident and rushed to the hospital. If you notice, the music is nothing but the theme music of the film, which you will hear later many times, in many variations, throughout the film but now here it is like a slow movement, depicting tragedy.

In Mouna Raagam he has theme music with two variations. A fast paced one is for Karthik and a gentle, slow paced one for Mohan. And the first reel when the credits are on, you can hear both in that. In the same film when Karthik leaves his house for marriage, the police take him away. When he is traveling in the jeep, mid way through, the music starts. First a gentle beginning with keyboards and when he jumps from the jeep, drum strokes come on. When he starts running, a solo violin starts a tremolo, which is answered by other violins and cellos. Now this dialogue reaches its crescendo and suddenly when Karthik sees Revathi who is sitting on top of the steps on the other side of the road, the first violins burst out the theme music and they are answered by the second violins and cellos; it continues through the process of Karthik getting shot at and ends with Revathi completing her flash back story.

In Gopura Vaasalile, the first reel when the credits come on after the initial scene when the friends board the train to go to Ooty, the entire sequence is the train and the scenic hill track to Ooty. The music is a beautiful Concerto for Flute and Orchestra. With the solo flute taking on the theme of the film and later joined by the strings and other players and later the flute taking on the song themes from the film.

To quote from Thalapathy again, it has many interesting examples to show how a correct musical score can add a lot of depth and colour to a scene.

The scene where Mammooty suddenly asks Rajani to marry Bhanupriya and both of them are shocked. Very effective use of Strings and keyboards add weight to this scene. And when they are shown entering the Colony, he uses the melody of the unused song Putham Puthu Poo Poothatho… first as a solo humming and then with Shehnai/Saarangi to portray the true feelings of the characters and situation.
The scene where Jaishankar tells Rajani that he has a mother and Rajani refusing to believe that at first and then requesting Jai not to tell her that he is alive as she should not come to know that her son is such a bad element. See how effectively he has used chorus voices with keyboards and strings.
Again the scene where Bhanupria and her kid come to the clinic and leave the shawl of Rajani in which Srividhya had thrown him away many years back. Srividhya calls out the girl and gives the shawl. The girl narrates the story of the shawl. While Srividhya realises the enormity of the statement, the kid takes the shawl away and Srividhya helplessly looks at the shawl slipping away from her hands, as if it is her kid that is slipping away from her hands. The music here is marvelous with santoor effects from the keyboards.
The scene where Srividhya visits Rajani. Chorus voices with keyboards effectively create the build-up for this reunion scene.
When Rajani comes to meet Aravindswamy to request him to go out of that town on transfer- Rajani sees Shobana on the top of the steps. The moment they see each other, a solo violin in slow tempo, takes on from the Sundari song pallavi "Naan Unai Theendamatten.." and other strings give minimal support. The music stops just giving a few seconds of silence before Rajani starts talking, asking Shobana "Nalla erukkia".
Some times he has to do the filling up before or after a song. For example, in Chinnathambi, when Prabu and Kushboo come out of the house the song Povoma Oorkolam does not start immediately. There is a length of shots when Kushboo is seen enjoying the beauty of the nature, the green fields, the birds, the wind, etc. Now Ilaiyaraaja has to fill up this portion with a music which should effortlessly continue with the song that is to follow. If you watch again, please notice, how beautifully the strings and flute are used to create that.

In the same way, the stick fight and the song Santhu Pottu that follows that in Thevar Magan. Ilaiyaraaja is aware that this is not a serious fight scene, just a play kind of thing. So he decides to treat this differently. At first when the fight starts, the rhythm bangs are used to create tension. And as the fight slowly progresses, the individual rhythm play has become a full-fledged song kind of thing, some kind of dance music. You may even wonder whether the fight was picturised for the music or the other way round. It is so perfect. But it is some thing done during the re-recording. Finally when the song begins, it looks like the extension of the stick fight dance music.

In Apoorva Sakotharargal, during the initial scenes when Nagesh and gang poison Srividhya the violent music with strings and brass begin. And it is followed by a varied rhythm play when they try to escape through the fields and the gang chasing them. And the credits start after the killing of Kamal and suddenly the music changes to an eerie, mystery kind of thing with flutes, brass and rhythms. And when the scene changes to the river with the boat in which Srividhya tries to escape, a solo flute takes over with the theme of the story and strings answer it. And this theme we will hear many times in the story to follow.

Some times during the re-recording sessions, he may decide to fill-up a scene with a bit song or even a full song. Bit songs have happened many a time. But the most notable and popular full song done during the re-recording sessions was the famous Das, Das,Chinnappa Das song in Kadalora Kavithaigal.

When Ilaiyaraaja saw that reel he did not write any thing and took the next reels after that. Every one including the director was wondering why. And in the afternoon after lunch, when Ilaiyaraaja came to the session he was ready for a song recording, with the full score written during the lunch break. In the film, it appears as if the picturisation was done for a song, but in fact it was the other way round. The song will start with a Veda like hymn rendition Oru Kaalai Thookki… from the scene Satyaraj standing on one leg and goes on from there.

In the same way there was an incident during the re-recording of the Rajni film Panakkaran.

There was a scene of Rajni and his sister. They have an argument about how long can Rajni go inside the swimming pool water. Rajni goes inside and his sister starts counting. During this period the villain Charanraj comes and forcibly takes her away to a jungle. There is a length of scene where she was chased by Charanraj. The score here is a melancholic flute trills accompanied by tabla. You know who was the flutist for this piece? None other than the great Hari Prasad Chaurasia.

When Raja was doing the music for this reel during the morning pre-lunch session he stopped the work midway and took the next reel. The players did not know why he took the next reel without completing the earlier reel.

During the post lunch session Hari Prasad Chaurasia came to see Raja. After spending some time talking to him while doing the take of other reels, Raja asked the earlier incomplete to be taken up. Then he asked Chaurasia whether he is ready to do a small piece. Chaurasia said “Oh, that was a pleasant surprise Raja, would love to play your music any time”. Then Raja said “I kept this piece aside when I heard you are in town and coming to see me in the afternoon”.

Most of the directors feel that after his re-recording the whole film looks so different from what they conceived or expected it to be. It is much more than their imagination. And Ilaiyaraaja's main trait is that he does not do any thing to force himself-either in songs or in background scoring. He does just what is required for the scene, how to add value to that or how to support that or how to cover some flaws that can not be corrected now. And his concentration and sincerity is the same for all whether it is a Ramarajan film or a MR or BR film. Even in a third rate film, if you notice, his work would be of the highest order. Of course, if the film is so bad then even his music can not do much to revive that. Some times, if the director is around during the sessions, Ilaiyaraaja checks with them whether what he has composed is fine. But he has established such a great reputation to correctly gauge the mood of a film and write the appropriate musical treatment required enhancing it, most of the directors just leave every thing to him; that is the complete editorial freedom to decide the cues, the type instruments and the score.

Some times the directors kill his songs with their own ideas. A good example is the famous Sundari song from Thalapathy. It is a song depicting war. It has a powerful orchestration with a lot of strings and brass and chorus voices. But in the film the director killed the song with excessive use of horse running effects, did you notice?

There are many a time when Ilaiyaraaja has done RR for two films simultaneously. Thevar Magan was one such film. It was a typical Diwali release and it was one of those times when Ilaiyaraaja used to have at least half a dozen movies for simultaneous release. And every director will be working on the final edit version till the last minute and every one will be forcing to complete the RR some how to give them time to do the balance work and release the picture for Diwali.

In such a situation, Ilaiyaraaja will have two orchestras. In studio-A he will see a reel, write the score, sync the score with the film and give instructions to one of his assistants like Puru or somebody and they will record the pieces one by one.

While they do this, he will go to Studio-B and see a reel from the second film and do the same thing there-see that reel from where he left in the last session in that film, write the score, sync it with the film and record the pieces himself or leave that to the boys to complete the take while he goes back to Studio-A, where by now the recording of earlier reel would have been completed and he takes up the next reel for scoring.

Imagine the magnitude of mental pressure. Different stories, different situations demanding different kind of score, different threads and themes to follow, and our man effortlessly shuttling between the studios.

And he changes the schedule (seeing the film reel by reel, writing the music, synchronizing it with the visuals and recording the pieces) when he does work for a film that is to be recorded in DTS or DOLBY.

In such cases what he does is this. Sees the full film once as usual in a preview theatre. And starts seeing the reels one by one in the preview theatre (instead of his recording theatre). Writes the score for each and every reel. During these sessions he has his main assistants like Puru, Viji, Judi and some more people. Then and there his score will be copied section wise and extra copies made for the orchestra.

And when this is over for all the reels, the scene shifts to the recording theatre. He starts seeing reel by reel. Conducts the score with the orchestra, syncs it with the visuals and goes for recording.

He does this because the recording in DTS or other modern formats are directly done in CD or tapes in multiple tracks. The balancing and mixing becomes complex like a multi-track song recording and takes a long time than his normal recording sessions when the recording is actually done in sound films. Also, these special sessions will have a lot of new musicians who are new to his style. Hence it would be better if the full score is ready on hand for the sessions. That would save a lot of time.

His BGM tracks done in such latest formats can be easily converted into individual albums-for example Mahanadhi, Kaalapani, MyDearKuttichathan, Kaadhal Kavithai, etc.

But his other BGM works can not be done that way. Because normally the re-recording music is recorded directly on sound films. Hence they may have to be re-recorded again from the old scores if you want to get them to album quality.

You would be able to appreciate the amount of work he does with just a single viewing of the rough cut film when he is able to give such a good quality musical support to them. Without the aid of lists of music cues, a music editor or even a stopwatch, Ilaiyaraaja is able to compose accurately a piece for a particular film cue which fits exactly not only the required timing but also the mood and pace of the action on the screen, heightening the tension if it was a fight scene, or enhancing with beautiful lyrical melodies the romantic mood of a love scene, or just adding spontaneously joyous excitement rhythmically to a dance scene.

What kind of output will Ilaiyaraaja produce, if he gets that kind of time and resources?
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[Nakeeran]

Guys now IR has enough time and resources and lets hope for the best

[rajasaranam]

Rajasaranam, I didnt expect this from you. DFers should have some etiquette. GO TO HELL is something which my Karma will decide :cry: :cry:
Pls stick to the issue. I have to highlight the current plight of IR to your type of OPTIMISTS to be more realistic so that you will not have further disappointments about IR.
Your set of guys resemble the MSV followers of the 80s :oops:

:oops: sorry if it had offended you. But dont take that to heart dear :)
And why should not we be optimistic about IR when he can come up with a 'Nirpathuvae nadapathuve' in bharathi or a 'oliyilae' in 'Azhagi' or a 'Elangathu' from 'Pithamgan'. Think about these situations in lieu with the movies they were extraordinary and he does comes up with great nos. when aptly inspired...
He himself have said many times 'Athae situation athae madhiri scenarios' kuduthuttu namma directors ellam ennai mattum pudhusu pudhusa tune poda solraaanga. Irukarathu 7 swaram thaan naan enna pannuvaen'
Let him get good and inspiring projects and you will see that he is the 'King'.
Lets End this with hoping for the best in 'Naan Kadavul' :)

[Nakeeran]

Rajasaranam, I didnt expect this from you. DFers should have some etiquette. GO TO HELL is something which my Karma will decide :cry: :cry:
Pls stick to the issue. I have to highlight the current plight of IR to your type of OPTIMISTS to be more realistic so that you will not have further disappointments about IR.
Your set of guys resemble the MSV followers of the 80s :oops:

:oops: sorry if it had offended you. But dont take that to heart dear :)
And why should not we be optimistic about IR when he can come up with a 'Nirpathuvae nadapathuve' in bharathi or a 'oliyilae' in 'Azhagi' or a 'Elangathu' from 'Pithamgan'. Think about these situations in lieu with the movies they were extraordinary and he does comes up with great nos. when aptly inspired...
He himself have said many times 'Athae situation athae madhiri scenarios' kuduthuttu namma directors ellam ennai mattum pudhusu pudhusa tune poda solraaanga. Irukarathu 7 swaram thaan naan enna pannuvaen'
Let him get good and inspiring projects and you will see that he is the 'King'.
Lets End this with hoping for the best in 'Naan Kadavul' :)

No forget it Rajasaranam. Yes , yes, lets hope for the old magic

Did you go through my previous post on how IR composed music in 80s ? ( Or you have already heard this ? )

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The amazing aspect was the period of 80 and 81 when he composed as many as 40 movies ! which means on an average 1 movie per week ! MOST OF THE MOVIES DURING THIS PHASE WERE SUPER HITS . :clap: :thumbsup:

[rajasaranam]

yeah I've read that already thanks for bringing it in here :)

[m_23_bayarea]

[tscii:234e1f15c5]Rajasaranam and others,

wish to share with you all, how IR composed in the 80s. REALLY ASTOUNDING STUFF. Worth reading . PLS HAVE THE PATIENCE TO RUN THROUGH SO THAT YOU ALL WILL REALISE WHAT KIND OF IR WE HAD THOSE DAYS AND WHAT WE ARE MISSING FROM HIM TODAY.
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Excellent Article !! :thumbsup:

Wrong thread though !!! :oops: :oops:

[MusicIsLife]

wish to share with you all, how IR composed in the 80s. REALLY ASTOUNDING STUFF. Worth reading . PLS HAVE THE PATIENCE TO RUN THROUGH SO THAT YOU ALL WILL REALISE WHAT KIND OF IR WE HAD THOSE DAYS AND WHAT WE ARE MISSING FROM HIM TODAY.

Nakeeran:
Summa missing him missing him sollikittae irundha miss panniduveenga!! athai vittutu ippo irukkarathulla ethavathu nallathu irukkannu paarunga.

Your opinion is IR has been lost in 90's, but I still feel that IR has the charm, summa 80's music koduthukittae irundha, neengalum intha palam pulikuthunnu sollitu poyiduveenga, puthusa ethavathu senja udane athu 80's mathiri illainnu solluveenga, ethavathu matri senja, IR touch poyidichunnu solluveenga.

Listen to Kathal Sathi songs, probably it will make u feel the movie without seeing it through his gr8 music.

I cannot wait for Sivaji by ARR and will see if he has connected with the TFM once again in the way he did sometime back.

[selvakumar]

I agree with MIL..

NO doubt.. Raja IS & WAS THE KING.. Be it 80's or 90's.
But during 80-90, He did so many movies. Producers to actors were standing in queue just for his music. This happened during KasthooriRaja, Rajkiran period also.

My opinion.. is > Raja lately concentrated heavily on other works. May be. coz of the fact that he is not interested in composing music for ordinary movies. If something comes up with a good theme, he gladly accepts that and give the best. Some e.g., Azhagi, Sethu, PithaaMagaN, etc..

My opinion is>>>>>>> IR can be compared to Sachin.. He is the god when it comes to TFM. He is slowly reducing the pressues on him and is now pretty selective in his projects. But unlike sachin, (who is struggling now) , IR comes out with some specatacular music nowadays too.

saying that: IR had lost something is ridiculous.. Music generally lives in the soul of a MD.. be it ARR or IR.. It is like layman telling.. My mom cooked well when I was 10. But now she is not cooking (@40) :banghead:

[MADDY]

very interesting write-up from Nakeeran.....but have to tell that it is the longest post i have seen in my 4 yrs in TFM page & HUB page... :lol:

i wud like to quote Maniratnam in one of his interviews:


Mani Ratnam, put Ilayaraja on a higher pedestal, and lavished praise on the maestro's re-recording, so important for a film. Ilayaraja would look at the scene once, and immediately start giving notes to his assistants, as a bunch of musicians, hovering around him, would collect the notes for their instrument and go to their places. When the orchestra played out the notes, they would be perfect, not just in harmony but also in timing - the background score would commence exactly where it should and end at the exact place required, pointed out Mani Ratnam, amidst applause. Ilayaraja was a genius, he said, who could compose music with just one look at the scene.

i also read somewhere else that IR just brings a 40 page notebook and starts scribbling notes as soon as a scene/character is xplained by the director...and he does not even rub-off even one line back....Amazing.... :thumbsup:

for me, Ilayaraja is someone like Einstein,Ramanujam........whereas ARRahman can be compared to the likes of Bill Gates, Scott Mcnealy(SUN founder), Sabeer Bhatia........i guess world and technology would not have been here if all these ppl. hadn;t contributed......i guess nobody is less or more here......

coming back to the topic, last shankar-ARR venture was Boys which was record-breaking in all sense.......the album which came in one of the worst patches of ARR's career.......but this album proved ARR's dominance over MTV-generation youth in TN and his crossover abilities in India......Dating song was performed in various engg. college festivals across Mumbai in 2004......also it was in top 50 songs of that year complied by Radio Mirchi,Mumbai along with Hindi songs......even if shivaji is half of boys, then it will throw all the current MDs into Doldrums......

[umaramesh]

Your set of guys resemble the MSV followers of the 80s
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Nakeerar avargale

Why you are starting one more round. It is very difficult for anyone whether it is sachin /IR/MSV/Shivaji/Rajini/Kamal/MGR etc etc to give 100% at every time.

Point is MSV able to give quality album like NI/Antha Ezhaznatkal /Varumayin niram signappu etc. even in the fag end of his career i.e. after slogging for nearly twenty years. That does not mean he can do that another ten years and lead the show .

You can notice that not only MSV but his associates like Shivaji/MGR//TMS/PS and directors like ACT/Madhavan/KB/Muktha srinivasan /sridhar lost their charm and new set of directors like bharathi Raja/mahendran/manirathnam and new set of heroes (kamal&rajini
peak)started their careers. New trend arrived.

This is natural cycle and we need to accept new ideas/new style etc. This is the time IR entered with new ideas and ruled the industry for some time.

Sameway when ARR came he got his share by introducing new kind of sound and entirely different from IR style. quiet natural people started listening his music and he took over from IR even dominated hindi industry. Try to understand those who directors who left MSV did samething for IR, not because someone is doing bad job but new trend /fresh ideas.

one Director approached VALLI to write same kind of song like THOOTAL POO MALARAUM. VALLI immediately said NOT POSSIBLE
'ENNALAYIUM MUDIYATHU/EVEN MSV CANNOT BRING THE SAME TOUCH NOW. Quiet true.

Net net It is RIDICULOUS TO SAY THAT
HE IS THE BEST/HE IS GOD/UNCOMPARABLE ETC. If you are happy listening to particular music do it and share the same with like minded people and you have every right to tell I am enjoying his music but SHOULD NOT DEGRADE OTHER MD because each one achieved it in their own style and we have no authority here to descirbe that PARTICULAR MUSIC IS BEST .

G.Ramanathan tried western type and succeded in 50's.
MSV bought Light music from traditional one and used lot of jazz variety & western type in couple of films. one cannot imagine that kind of orchestra in film like VENNIRA ADAI/PUTHIYA PARAVAI /AAIYARTHIL ORUVAN/ULLAGAM SUTTRUM VALLIBAN etc happened so early in TFM.

IR did spell bound music and bought entirely new style in the industry. film NIZALKAL /NENJATHI KILLATHEY/MOUNA RAGAM /NAYAGAN ETC. showed his stamp of class.

All of them achieved it in their own style and cannnot be compared with others.I think those who are matured enogh will accept it.

ramesh

[Nakeeran]

Pochuda, ippo Thiruvalar Ramesh indha threadai oru MSV vs IR vs ARR aaka pogiraar !
nobody downgraded or degraded MSV here but only highlighted the fact that today's IR believers resemble the MSV believers of the 80s ( MSV was virtually retired during this period ) and this was what I highlighted.

[Nakeeran]

I agree with MIL..

NO doubt.. Raja IS & WAS THE KING.. Be it 80's or 90's.
But during 80-90, He did so many movies. Producers to actors were standing in queue just for his music. This happened during KasthooriRaja, Rajkiran period also.

My opinion.. is > Raja lately concentrated heavily on other works. May be. coz of the fact that he is not interested in composing music for ordinary movies. If something comes up with a good theme, he gladly accepts that and give the best. Some e.g., Azhagi, Sethu, PithaaMagaN, etc..

My opinion is>>>>>>> IR can be compared to Sachin.. He is the god when it comes to TFM. He is slowly reducing the pressues on him and is now pretty selective in his projects. But unlike sachin, (who is struggling now) , IR comes out with some specatacular music nowadays too.

saying that: IR had lost something is ridiculous.. Music generally lives in the soul of a MD.. be it ARR or IR.. It is like layman telling.. My mom cooked well when I was 10. But now she is not cooking (@40) :banghead:

Enna Selva Anne,

engirundho vandhu yarayo pazi vangara madhiri irukku unga ennangal :lol:
Ada paravayilay ! musicla kooda interest unda ungalukku ? :lol:
naan ninaichen , neenga verum Ajith matumdhannu . sorry Anne.
Vaazga neengal :thumbsup:

[selvakumar]

NakeeRan,
I never indulge in topics which require special knowledge. But from a layman's perspective I can convey my message.

& Don't think someone as a matter to laugh if they didn't participate in a few things. For eg, I have posted something on Numerology & Astrology. If u post something against that one, May I use :lol: for your immediate presence there. I am not serious. But your post makes me feel as if I should post in the respective things only.

Ask anyone in this section. I never indulge in matters that are irrelevant to me. :wink: But if something doesn't make sense, I have the right to convey my thoughts about it.

NOt only U I have seen many people DISCUSSING HEAVILY ON THE FORM OF BOTH IR & ARR.. And making it look like as if they are dead. That is not the truth ! I went through the previous discussions. So, I made my post in the general way so that it will be to all rather than targetting you alone !

BTW, I am in this hub for more than a year. I can use the same laugh icon on you for your Lalettan threads and dragging the same in all the threads

YOu know me very well. :) If I want to take revenge in the arguement, you know me how far I can go ! :lol: Sample .. could be TF. BTW, I never want to take revenge on anyone.. except a single person who was in the hub before (that was purely personal and had nothing to do with the hub)

[Nakeeran]

NakeeRan,
I never indulge in topics which require special knowledge. But from a layman's perspective I can convey my message.

& Don't think someone as a matter to laugh if they didn't participate in a few things. For eg, I have posted something on Numerology & Astrology. If u post something against that one, May I use :lol: for your immediate presence there. I am not serious. But your post makes me feel as if I should post in the respective things only.

Ask anyone in this section. I never indulge in matters that are irrelevant to me. :wink: But if something doesn't make sense, I have the right to convey my thoughts about it.

NOt only U I have seen many people DISCUSSING HEAVILY ON THE FORM OF BOTH IR & ARR.. And making it look like as if they are dead. That is not the truth ! I went through the previous discussions. So, I made my post in the general way so that it will be to all rather than targetting you alone !

BTW, I am in this hub for more than a year. I can use the same laugh icon on you for your Lalettan threads and dragging the same in all the threads

YOu know me very well. :) If I want to take revenge in the arguement, you know me how far I can go ! :lol: Sample .. could be TF. BTW, I never want to take revenge on anyone.. except a single person who was in the hub before (that was purely personal and had nothing to do with the hub)

Vanakkam Selva Anne, its very clear you are only trying to ridicule someone whom you dont digest , by venting your frustration and you are targetting indirectly.
Vendam anne. vitrunga pls :oops:

[selvakumar]

NakeeRan,
:banghead: PuRinchuKavae Maatiyaa.. I never ridicule all. esp IN THIS SECTION. I just posted something about people who are making statements against THE FORM OF IR & ARR.. If u think in that way, Take it.. No offense meant. Enough digression

Let's stop here 8-)

[Nakeeran]

NakeeRan,
:banghead: PuRinchuKavae Maatiyaa.. I never ridicule all. esp IN THIS SECTION. I just posted something about people who are making statements against THE FORM OF IR & ARR.. If u think in that way, Take it.. No offense meant. Enough digression

Let's stop here 8-)

Point well taken. Sorry if my posts had offended you. Withdrawing my comments about you. :thumbsup:

[selvakumar]

Thanks for the understanding NakeeRa. :D I will try to reduce the intensity in my replies to u from here onwards (so, that I can make it less hurting) :P o.k. :thumbsup:

[Nakeeran]

Thanks for the understanding NakeeRa. :D I will try to reduce the intensity in my replies to u from here onwards (so, that I can make it less hurting) :P o.k. :thumbsup:

Selva annanukku innum andha pazaya kusumbu pogala ! :D :clap: :thumbsup:

[MusicIsLife]

innum konjam naalle topic-ai maranthuduvom pola irukku!!

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran,
Why do you keep insisting IR lost form? coz you feel that you dont get the same effect that was in the 80's music. If Yes, then it is more personal. If others have their opinions and give a reason for that either accept it or say that it is their opinion and you are going to stay grounded in yours. That would clear up a lot of miscommunications.
Summa forum-le vanthu aduthavangale nakkal pannarathu vendame please.

btw I respect your opinion, but may not agree to it, let us agree to disagree.

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,
Why do you keep insisting IR lost form? coz you feel that you dont get the same effect that was in the 80's music. If Yes, then it is more personal. If others have their opinions and give a reason for that either accept it or say that it is their opinion and you are going to stay grounded in yours. That would clear up a lot of miscommunications.
Summa forum-le vanthu aduthavangale nakkal pannarathu vendame please.

btw I respect your opinion, but may not agree to it, let us agree to disagree.

Its true :thumbsup: :notworthy:

Match over already but neenga enna innum pazaya paata kilapareenga .

I agree with you that the topic got digressed totally

[rajasaranam]

Now that it clearly shows that people favor IR over others for Rajini movies... lets Discuss on some best songs ever composed by IR for rajini :)

[Nakeeran]

Now that it clearly shows that people favor IR over others for Rajini movies... lets Discuss on some best songs ever composed by IR for rajini :)

Great. Let me give a start :

1. Podhuvaga en manasu ( DEFINING THE EMERGING SUPER STAR )
2. Pesa koodaadhu
3. Pon oviyam kanden amma ( IR himself taking the mike ! )
4. Ammavendru azaikatha uyir
5. Pen maanay sangeedham paadivaa
6. Rakkamaa kayya thattu
7. Sundari kannaal oru sedhi
8. Adi vanmadhi en paarvathi
9. Enna sugamana ulagam
10. Santhana kaatrey senthamiz ootrey

more to come................

[MusicIsLife]

11. Rajavukku Raja naanthaan (Padikathavan)
12. Chittukku vanna chittukku (Nallavanukku Nallavan)
13. Mannar Mannane (Mannan)
14. All songs Jhonny
15. Amazing BGM in Kazhugu.

[buggle]

RS, we all prefer RK working with IR, but can someone pour that info into RK's dead ears??? For some reason RK avoid working with IR even though they maintain a good rapport.
It is obvious for Sivaji movie that Shankar decision may be final, but for Chandramukhi i expected IR to score the music since it was Vasu and Sivaji productions and IR worked with both of them before.

As per the best songs, i would say "Maadathulae kanni" from Veera. I read somewhere that IR came up with 20+ tunes for that song and RK finalized this one...Great voice modulation from SPB...

[Raikkonen]

Maasi Maasam Aalaana Ponnu
Oorai Terinjikitten
Vaa Vaa Vanjimalare
Senorita I Love You
Pesa Koodathu


Intha matiri songs tirumbi varuma?

[MADDY]

Now that it clearly shows that people favor IR over others for Rajini movies... lets Discuss on some best songs ever composed by IR for rajini :)

as i told u b4 ppl. here are the most biased.........all here are IR fans and not rajini fans......moreover even ARR fans like Dragun have preferred IR here....ask rajini fans and rajini himself whom they prefer..........answer is obvious....it is Allah Rakha Rahman.......

neways nobody is stopping u guys by discussing old songs which are no way significant in today's TFM.......carry on..... :lol:

[MADDY]

Maasi Maasam Aalaana Ponnu
Oorai Terinjikitten
Vaa Vaa Vanjimalare
Senorita I Love You
Pesa Koodathu


Intha matiri songs tirumbi varuma?

y not Yuvan will remix them for u.... :lol:

[Raikkonen]

what the heck..

I said IR is the best for Rajni...

[buggle]

Why RK didnt prefer Allah...Blah...Blah.. Rahman for Chandramukhi?

[m_23_bayarea]

Why RK didnt prefer Allah...Blah...Blah.. Rahman for Chandramukhi?

* Becasue Rajini dint want to come back with a megahit album after BABA movie flopped ... BABA's abum selling just increased the movie's expectations beyond proportion, and it backfired once ppl recognized the movie wasnt good enough ... He wanted to maintain a low profile with an average album, and let the movie speak for itself !! :poke:

* Because of Prabu's association with VS !! :P :P

* Because Rajini wanted to give ARR a break !! :notworthy:

* And mainly because CM was NOT Rajini's home-production !! :thumbsup:

[buggle]

I bet Chandramukhi audio sales will be definitely more than BABA

[rajasaranam]

as i told u b4 ppl. here are the most biased.........all here are IR fans and not rajini fans......moreover even ARR fans like Dragun have preferred IR here....ask rajini fans and rajini himself whom they prefer..........answer is obvious....it is Allah Rakha Rahman.......


Then why do rajinifans.com - the official Rajini fans web portal maintain a separte site for IR's classic songs
Go here and see
http://rajaecho.tripod.com/
It slaps on your face 'This site is proudly maintained by Rajnikanth E-Fans Association' :lol:
The site maintains all kinds of songs of IR not only Rajinikanths movies. This shows how much love Rajini Fans have for IR :)

[rajasaranam]

I bet Chandramukhi audio sales will be definitely more than BABA
buggle you win the bet :thumbsup: BABA was a pathetic attempt from ARR. There were rumours around the time of Album release that rajini fans raided ARR's home and condemned for giving the worst album in Rajini's career :lol: Though I dont know how much its true. But state of the album is well known from this rumour :P

[MADDY]

Then why do rajinifans.com - the official Rajini fans web portal maintain a separte site for IR's classic songs
Go here and see
http://rajaecho.tripod.com/
It slaps on your face 'This site is proudly maintained by Rajnikanth E-Fans Association' :lol:
The site maintains all kinds of songs of IR not only Rajinikanths movies. This shows how much love Rajini Fans have for IR :)

RS, even i have cassettes of old IR hits of 80's and songs that were released b4 my birth but that doesent mean i like IR more than ARR.....

[rajasaranam]

RS, even i have cassettes of old IR hits of 80's and songs that were released b4 my birth but that doesent mean i like IR more than ARR.....

Having cassetes and maintaining a site exclusively are two different things :huh:
Leave it you wont understand :notworthy:

[MADDY]

Having cassetes and maintaining a site exclusively are two different things :huh:
Leave it you wont understand :notworthy:

yaa rite i wont understand ur rigid-conservative thinking that IR is the best for all........and i wont understand y u always ridicule a man like ARR......and god forsaken i dont want to understand ur venom-spitting posts against ARR-fans.......

[Ramakrishna]

Maddy, nice replies :lol:

[rajasaranam]

These are attempts from people to further digress the discussion. Lets just ignore them and carry on folks
Nakeeran, MIL and raikonen thanks for the list.

Thumburu,
You said that IR's music have given color to various moods and emotions of Rajini. Can you please elaborate on it :?:
A common question to all,
Where in can we say that Rajini's Style was best highlighted by Raja. it can be BGM or a song. please pour in your comments.

AFAIK Nallavanukku nallavan had some amazing BGM tracks highlighting Rajini's Style. especially the scene when Radhika tells Rajini 'ungala adikka koodathunnuthaan sonen adivangittu vara sollala' Rajini will start off with the a sense of fulfillment and anger mixed. That part had some high voltage Music. Though i had seen that movie long back the music is still in my mind. :)

[rashid2raj]

Then why do rajinifans.com - the official Rajini fans web portal maintain a separte site for IR's classic songs
Go here and see
http://rajaecho.tripod.com/
It slaps on your face 'This site is proudly maintained by Rajnikanth E-Fans Association' :lol:
The site maintains all kinds of songs of IR not only Rajinikanths movies. This shows how much love Rajini Fans have for IR :)

Which was the last movie IR had with Rajini.. ?? :shock: THAT shows how much love Rajini have for IR.. :lol:
SIVAJI = Allah Rakha Rahman.. & NOT Ilayaraja.. Rajini & shankar wouldn't even have considered about wether IR should have done the music.. :roll:

[Sanjeevi]

Unfortunately all the previous attempt by ARR after Rthym/Alaipayuthe had not a good report like super hit even though he came up with superb songs such as KKS, AE, etc.

Now ARR needs a big hand like Rajini, Sankar, Kamal, etc to survive in tamil. I too wish ARR.

considering previous Rajini & ARR combo, I would rate Muthu is a best one. The second Padaiyappa was super hit but not as Muthu (a mega hit). The third BABA was not a super hit (may be hit).

And we will wait and see the next, SIVAJI.

[rashid2raj]

I bet Chandramukhi audio sales will be definitely more than BABA
buggle you win the bet :thumbsup: BABA was a pathetic attempt from ARR. There were rumours around the time of Album release that rajini fans raided ARR's home and condemned for giving the worst album in Rajini's career :lol: Though I dont know how much its true. But state of the album is well known from this rumour :P

That might have been the older IR-Rajini-fans who raided ARR's house.. Cus all the real Rajini fans were dancing in Theaters for Dippu Dippu kumari song.. I still remember that clearly.. :!: So better luck next time, Buggle.. :wink:

[rashid2raj]

Now ARR needs a big hand like Rajini, Sankar, Kamal, etc to survive in tamil. I too wish ARR.

HAHAHA.. You're saying this cus IR can't think about doing a movie with Shankar or Rajini :lol: Appo Sakkarakatti big budget movie aah?? Sanjeevi, yet another desperate IR fan against an wall..

[MADDY]

considering previous Rajini & ARR combo, I would rate Muthu is a best one. The second Padaiyappa was super hit but not as Muthu (a mega hit). The third BABA was not a super hit (may be hit).

And we will wait and see the next, SIVAJI.

gr8 sanjeevi :thumbsup:

though ur post mocked ARR, gud to see that u analysed his songs atleast........

yaarume illadha veetla edhukuda raid pannunga??? :lol: ARR composed music for BABA from london......i dunno who raided ARR's house then..... :lol:

[Sanjeevi]

BABA songs was the pre-alarm to the movie's flop.

One of the IInd grade MD in the industry is ARR if we take the BGM part. And I remembered a interview by ARR at his earlier days. In which he said that has is trying to make new sounds for several type of scenes including happy/sad/angry moods, comedy, stunts, rain and sky flash :banghead:. Unfortunately he failed a lot :lol:.

[MADDY]

BABA songs was the pre-alarm to the movie's flop.

One of the IInd grade MD in the industry is ARR if we take the BGM part. And I remembered a interview by ARR at his earlier days. In which he said that has is trying to make new sounds for several type of scenes including happy/sad/angry moods, comedy, stunts, rain and sky flash :banghead:. Unfortunately he failed a lot :lol:.

adhane parthaen......murungumaram yerama irukkuma ******.......

IR was a 3rd grade MD in Uzhaipali........pathetic songs........he really let down Rajini there.......he gives a lot of craps to small time producers/heroes but i never thought he wud give such cheap music to Rajni himself......he thought Rajini was cheap??? no wonder this arrogance bought him down to dumps.......

when u deeply analyse IR's songs to kamal and rajini, there is a clear difference - he has given better music to kamal and not to rajini....why is it so???

[rashid2raj]

BABA songs was the pre-alarm to the movie's flop.

One of the IInd grade MD in the industry is ARR if we take the BGM part. And I remembered a interview by ARR at his earlier days. In which he said that has is trying to make new sounds for several type of scenes including happy/sad/angry moods, comedy, stunts, rain and sky flash :banghead:. Unfortunately he failed a lot :lol:.

This is the typically symptom of an desperat IR-fan.. They avoids your questions, and goes directly to "BGM" of their IR... LOL..

[MusicIsLife]

yar music potta enna, yaar suitablennu thane topic, so athukku answer pannunga.

[MADDY]

yar music potta enna, yaar suitablennu thane topic, so athukku answer pannunga.

MIL, u r asking whom?? us or IR-fans???

[Sanjeevi]

Muthu was a very very big music success. Thanks to ARR's hardwork. I always salute his hardwork. The songs rocked the whole Tamilnadu from pottikadai to five star hotels. Great achievements. Oruvan Oruvan, Thillana Thillana, Kuluvalile, Kokku saiva kokku and all the songs gave a new dimension to Rajini and his films.

Maddu and rashid2raj,

you did not understand my words about ARR's BGM work. At his earlier days he has tried to give some music newly but he failed. Thats y i told that type of words. But now he has improved in BGM area and he has come to Ist row from IInd row.

[m_23_bayarea]

Muthu was a very very big music success. Thanks to ARR's hardwork. I always salute his hardwork. The songs rocks the whole Tamilnadu from pottikadai to five star hotels. Great achievements. Oruvan Oruvan, Thillana Thillana, Kuluvalile, Kokku saiva kokku and all the songs gave a new dimension to Rajini and his films.


YESSSS Sanjeevi !!! :clap: :thumbsup: :D

I think somebody mentioned earlier that ARR's house was stoned by some hardcore Rajini fans after BABA album was released ... A small correction, it was not after BABA's release, but after MUTHU album release ... Mainly for the Vidugathaya song which was toooo long in the cassette .. But then, after they saw the songs on the big screen, it was just the opposite effect !! :thumbsup:

Personally, I was doin my 11std at that time ... I still remember, I used to listen to that album repeatedly every single day !!! It was soooo close to my heart !! :D :D :D

[Sanjeevi]

Muthu was a very very big music success. Thanks to ARR's hardwork. I always salute his hardwork. The songs rocks the whole Tamilnadu from pottikadai to five star hotels. Great achievements. Oruvan Oruvan, Thillana Thillana, Kuluvalile, Kokku saiva kokku and all the songs gave a new dimension to Rajini and his films.


YESSSS Sanjeevi !!! :clap: :thumbsup: :D

thanks :notworthy:

appada oru ARR fanavathu enna purinchu kittare 8-)

[MusicIsLife]

when u deeply analyse IR's songs to kamal and rajini, there is a clear difference - he has given better music to kamal and not to rajini....why is it so???

Maddy
I agree to the first part, but second part kind-a disagree. Kamal-IR combination had always good scores either coz
1. Kamal's involvement
2. Theme of the movie had much scope
3. Kamal emotes well for the same type of scenario
4. Dance
5. Directors who make kamal movie take to provide the meat on story/screen play to better utilize him
Rajni is different
Still i dont think except for a couple of movies that immediately come to my mind like Uzhaipazhi, Athisiya piravi I dont think IR scores were pathetic. Still I like Aananda Kummi kotti song from AP, but the movie was a drag.

I still like the variety of IR be it Pothuvaga en manasu thangam, to Konji Konji in Veera or for the matter of fact Kumthalakadi in mannan, if you consider that IR seems to have an edge over any MD for Rajni. Though IR and RK might never do a movie again, still most suited IR has the edge.

I will have to wait for Sivaji to see if the trend has changed. ARR reconnects with TFM and RK coming out of a huge success with CM, it is a big time must to provide a hit from the movie point of view and music point of view. I must remind all here, Music is an industry by itself not like old times when the rights of the music lay with the producers-> got it!!

[MusicIsLife]

MIL, u r asking whom?? us or IR-fans???

Maddy

Music Fans!!

[Sanjeevi]

Personally, I was doin my 11std at that time ... I still remember, I used to listen to that album repeatedly every single day !!! It was soooo close to my heart !! :D :D :D

I also listened repeadtedly almost all the songs at that time (my college days has started)

[m_23_bayarea]

Personally, I was doin my 11std at that time ... I still remember, I used to listen to that album repeatedly every single day !!! It was soooo close to my heart !! :D :D :D

I also listened repeadtedly almost all the songs at that time (my college days has started)

Yeah ... Actually I was at first wondering how ARR (who had only scored music for classy movies like ROJA, BOMBAY, etc etc) would score for a Rajini movie, and especially a massy one like MUTHU ... But I was just AMAZED at the way he scored Oruvan Oruvan Song with all that grand intro music ... And then, He had Udit Narayan sing for Rajini in Kuluvaalile ... And then the interludes in Kokku Saiva Kokku song .. And then the silly beats in Thillaana Thillaana ...
:clap:

Man, I was in awe of ARR's capabilities ... That was one of the first few times then where he showed his excellent versatility .. HE proved his critics wrong, by showing that he can also score for Massy movies .... And then the BGM throughout the movie ... It looked as if MUTHU was a classy movie just cos of his BGM !!! :thumbsup:

And regarding fans reactions to ARR's music in Rajini movies ... I saw MUTHU in Devi Paradise, PADYAPPA in Albert, and BABA here in San Jose !! Whenever ARR's name came in the titles, the theatre was exploding with whistles and claps ... Come on, who said Rajini fans dont like ARR ... Come to our Rajinifans.com Yahoo groups ... They were blasting emails from abt 1000 to 2000, when VS was signed for CM .. And it was all calling ARR's name !! :notworthy:

[Sanjeevi]

Still i dont think except for a couple of movies that immediately come to my mind like Uzhaipazhi, Athisiya piravi I dont think IR scores were pathetic. Still I like Aananda Kummi kotti song from AP, but the movie was a drag.

I still like the variety of IR be it Pothuvaga en manasu thangam, to Konji Konji in Veera or for the matter of fact Kumthalakadi in mannan, if you consider that IR seems to have an edge over any MD for Rajni. Though IR and RK might never do a movie again, still most suited IR has the edge.


Good said MIL.

I liked very much three super songs in Uzhaippali 1) Oru Kolakili 2) Uzhaipali illatha 3) Oru maina maina.

And ARR friends try to hear Thanikkattu Raja and Thanga Magan songs. Fantastic and great songs scored by IR for Rajini.

I liked the folliwing most beautiful song well suited or created the Rajini image

Poomalai oru paavai
Vaa Vaa pakkam vaa
Naanthanda ippo deva doss
Naan than toppu methu ellam

And melodies

Rathiriyil poothirukkum
Santhanakatree

and Machana paradi, etc

[kj]

how can one forget Kaadhalin deepam ondru from thambikku enda ooru..what an amazing song.listen to the orchestration and then decide for yourself why IR is the the best choice.

[Ramakrishna]

Personally, I was doin my 11std at that time ... I still remember, I used to listen to that album repeatedly every single day !!! It was soooo close to my heart !! :D :D :D

I also listened repeadtedly almost all the songs at that time (my college days has started)

Yeah ... Actually I was at first wondering how ARR (who had only scored music for classy movies like ROJA, BOMBAY, etc etc) would score for a Rajini movie, and especially a massy one like MUTHU ... But I was just AMAZED at the way he scored Oruvan Oruvan Song with all that grand intro music ... And then, He had Udit Narayan sing for Rajini in Kuluvaalile ... And then the interludes in Kokku Saiva Kokku song .. And then the silly beats in Thillaana Thillaana ...
:clap:

Man, I was in awe of ARR's capabilities ... That was one of the first few times then where he showed his excellent versatility .. HE proved his critics wrong, by showing that he can also score for Massy movies .... And then the BGM throughout the movie ... It looked as if MUTHU was a classy movie just cos of his BGM !!! :thumbsup:

And regarding fans reactions to ARR's music in Rajini movies ... I saw MUTHU in Devi Paradise, PADYAPPA in Albert, and BABA here in San Jose !! Whenever ARR's name came in the titles, the theatre was exploding with whistles and claps ... Come on, who said Rajini fans dont like ARR ... Come to our Rajinifans.com Yahoo groups ... They were blasting emails from abt 1000 to 2000, when VS was signed for CM .. And it was all calling ARR's name !! :notworthy:

Kulirchi :D :thumbsup:

[MusicIsLife]

KJ
Good that you mentioned, i was trying to remember the song!!

[MusicIsLife]

I was listening to the "New" Song "If you wanna-Vayendral vanakkam", man that was magical music, and ARR can transform for RK!! in Sivaji, it would be fabulous fit guess.

[m_23_bayarea]

I was listening to the "New" Song "If you wanna-Vayendral vanakkam", man that was magical music, and ARR can transform for RK!! in Sivaji, it would be fabulous fit guess.

Even the intro song from A AAH !! It might suit Rajini much much better than SJ Surya !! :lol: :lol:

Aararai Kodi Paerkagalil Oruvan

Adiyaen Thamizhan naan ungal nanban

Aanaa neengal Aavanna naan thaan

Neengal illaamal naan ingu illai illai !!

:clap:

[MADDY]

Even the intro song from A AAH !! It might suit Rajini much much better than SJ Surya !! :lol: :lol:

Aararai Kodi Paerkagalil Oruvan

Adiyaen Thamizhan naan ungal nanban

Aanaa neengal Aavanna naan thaan

Neengal illaamal naan ingu illai illai !!

:clap:

this wud have suited MGR very well......how i wish MGR shuld have been in ARR's era.....he wud have surely kept ARR on the top always...... :D

some ppl. here made fun of ARR's bgms......but in Padayappa, he just gave amazing BGM......he literally defined Neelambari's character with his BGM.......i personally felt ARR was never bad at BGMs........

Kadhalin deepam ondru (thambikku endha ooru) is one of Rajini's best ever song.....amazing tune, gr8 interludes but still i wud like to say that post-92 ARR is the perfect choice for Rajini.....

[Scale]

If Dippu Dippu (Baba) is that much bad what about pandiyan songs (adi jumba, pandiyana kokka kokka). :banghead:


RK - dead ears???

enna thaan nenachikittu irukaanngha indha IR-fans. BC/BR/VM/Rajni/MR ella avvalavu kevalam ivangalukku.

Let IR go and beg RK for a future offer. kaariyam aavanumna kaalla vilurathu kooda thapillai. IR fans can blow the trumphet so everything is done is secret. Rest Assured SS yet have the potential to repair listeners "dead ears" which is misunderstood here. :poke:

Rajni choosing VS after Baba is not new as he has done it several times Deva(baasha) after Veera again Deva (arunachalam) after Muthu. Moreover Rahman was already signed for Jaggubhai which is shelved :poke:

[Scale]

I wish this thread remains till Shivaji's release. IR leading the poll with his 57 scores is nothing great when compared to others with minimal 3-3-1 films. So thats the reason I havent voted yet. Being a HC fan doesnt mean you need to argue anything & everything in favour.

[umaramesh]

You guys missed VIZHIELAY MALARTHANTHU from BHUVANA ORU KELVIKURI. what a song.

Kanmaniyaee kadhal enbathu-evergreen duet.

super hit OORAE THERUJUKITTEN/CHITTKU CHELLA CHITTUKU

so many like this.

ramesh

[S.Balaji]

As Rajasaranam wanted a list of IR - RK songs, I could think of this only immediately :

Kanmaniyay kadhal enbadhu karpanayo - 6 to 60 varai is a song which reminds me of my school days !

an outstanding composition from Maestro !

But I would say that given a chance, ARR was not far behind. He did well in all the 3 movies

[tvsankar]

1.Muthu mani sudarae vaa

What a song!! Indha Rajini ippo kedaipara ? Old Rajiniyai yar ketta ?

En son Rajini ku IR tunes enna enru kettu, avan IR fan anan.
Avanuku piditha IR Rajini songs

1.Vaa vaa pakkam vaa

2.Nee koduthadhai thirupi koduthen (indha padalin guitar avanuku romba pidikum)

3.Chandi raniyae enaku kappam kattu nee

4.OOrai theirjukiten (Indha Rajiniyum ippo kedaika matar.Indha padaluku Rajiniyin expressions is simply super.)

[buggle]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

[MADDY]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

i dunt think RK has that much time with him.....i guess IR can go back and analyse y he was isolated by all big names of Tamil film industry since 1992......en kuthama un kuthama yaara naa kutham solla :lol:

[Nakeeran]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

Nobody said that IR has to beg but we all wish he mellows down his anger and ego levels so that IR FANS CAN GET THE OLD MAGIC

Look, IR doesnt need to prove anything today. Nothing to lose. He is after all playing second innings in his life after a brief hiatus.

[nilavupriyan]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

i dunt think RK has that much time with him.....i guess IR can go back and analyse y he was isolated by all big names of Tamil film industry since 1992......en kuthama un kuthama yaara naa kutham solla :lol:

isolated from big names??

KAMALHAASAN..BALA..FAAZIL..BALU MAHENDRA..PRIYADHARSHAN..

these are not big names?..

all the young guns among directors are after yuvan nowadays..selvaragavan,aamir,vishnuvardhan..do u say the fresh tamil cine industry rejected ar rahman? :rotfl:

[Nakeeran]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

i dunt think RK has that much time with him.....i guess IR can go back and analyse y he was isolated by all big names of Tamil film industry since 1992......en kuthama un kuthama yaara naa kutham solla :lol:

isolated from big names??

KAMALHAASAN..BALA..FAAZIL..BALU MAHENDRA..PRIYADHARSHAN..

these are not big names?..

all the young guns among directors are after yuvan nowadays..selvaragavan,aamir,vishnuvardhan..do u say the fresh tamil cine industry rejected ar rahman? :rotfl:

The list of names you highlighted are all IR loyalists and close associates. No wonder they are still dedicated to him ( knowing his value for music )

[nilavupriyan]

Why the hell IR need to beg RK..thevayae illae....
He proved what he is and only RK need to go back to his old movie hits and analyze what quality songs he got from IR

i dunt think RK has that much time with him.....i guess IR can go back and analyse y he was isolated by all big names of Tamil film industry since 1992......en kuthama un kuthama yaara naa kutham solla :lol:

isolated from big names??

KAMALHAASAN..BALA..FAAZIL..BALU MAHENDRA..PRIYADHARSHAN..

these are not big names?..

all the young guns among directors are after yuvan nowadays..selvaragavan,aamir,vishnuvardhan..do u say the fresh tamil cine industry rejected ar rahman? :rotfl:

The list of names you highlighted are all IR loyalists and close associates. No wonder they are still dedicated to him ( knowing his value for music )

so wut..they are big names than kadir or pravin kanth :rotfl:

[selvakumar]

<digression>

IR & Big Names - This is the discussion that is currently going on. Right..

RK is the superstar. Just coz of the fact that he is not working with IR nowadays, that doesn't mean that IR had lost the will and confidence of the biggies in the Tamil Film INdustry.

If we closely analyse the situation, Most of the biggies (except Shankar - I don't consider Shankar as a biggies IMHO - Anyhow, including him in the list too) are willing to work with IR.

Branding them as IR loyalists will put the same label across all MDs too
For eg, Yuvan - Selva have a good bond. Does that mean selva is a yuvan loyalist?
Same goes with Goutham - HJ combination.
We should forget the fact that Shankar went for HJ FOR Anniyan rather than ARR

This happens to all MDs. We should not rate the MD interms of the kind of projects he does.. We should rate them based on their works

</digression>

[nilavupriyan]

<digression>

IR & Big Names - This is the discussion that is currently going on. Right..

RK is the superstar. Just coz of the fact that he is not working with IR nowadays, that doesn't mean that IR had lost the will and confidence of the biggies in the Tamil Film INdustry.

If we closely analyse the situation, Most of the biggies (except Shankar - I don't consider Shankar as a biggies IMHO - Anyhow, including him in the list too) are willing to work with IR.

Branding them as IR loyalists will put the same label across all MDs too
For eg, Yuvan - Selva have a good bond. Does that mean selva is a yuvan loyalist?
Same goes with Goutham - HJ combination.
We should forget the fact that Shankar went for HJ FOR Anniyan rather than ARR

This happens to all MDs. We should not rate the MD interms of the kind of projects he does.. We should rate them based on their works

</digression>

rightly put!

its the loss of rajni by not gettin a "podhuvaga en manasu thangam " or "raakamma kaiya thatu" ..ir is a genius..need not work with any artists to prove that

[kandiban]

<digression>

IR & Big Names - This is the discussion that is currently going on. Right..

RK is the superstar. Just coz of the fact that he is not working with IR nowadays, that doesn't mean that IR had lost the will and confidence of the biggies in the Tamil Film INdustry.

If we closely analyse the situation, Most of the biggies (except Shankar - I don't consider Shankar as a biggies IMHO - Anyhow, including him in the list too) are willing to work with IR.

Branding them as IR loyalists will put the same label across all MDs too
For eg, Yuvan - Selva have a good bond. Does that mean selva is a yuvan loyalist?
Same goes with Goutham - HJ combination.
We should forget the fact that Shankar went for HJ FOR Anniyan rather than ARR

This happens to all MDs. We should not rate the MD interms of the kind of projects he does.. We should rate them based on their works

</digression>





vada machan , how are da machan

[umaramesh]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

[Nakeeran]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

Ramesh , its partly true but what I fail to understand from some BLIND IR WORSHIPPERS is that they also carry the same EGO and KOBAM of IR and THEY TOO EXPECT the ones listed by you above to fall flat at him ! :oops:

WHY ?

[Ramakrishna]

<digression>

IR & Big Names - This is the discussion that is currently going on. Right..

RK is the superstar. Just coz of the fact that he is not working with IR nowadays, that doesn't mean that IR had lost the will and confidence of the biggies in the Tamil Film INdustry.

If we closely analyse the situation, Most of the biggies (except Shankar - I don't consider Shankar as a biggies IMHO - Anyhow, including him in the list too) are willing to work with IR.

Branding them as IR loyalists will put the same label across all MDs too
For eg, Yuvan - Selva have a good bond. Does that mean selva is a yuvan loyalist?
Same goes with Goutham - HJ combination.
We should forget the fact that Shankar went for HJ FOR Anniyan rather than ARR

This happens to all MDs. We should not rate the MD interms of the kind of projects he does.. We should rate them based on their works

</digression>

Rightly said.I agree with u.
It doesn't matter whether a MD works with big guns or not.he shud be able to give gud music for all directors.So, ARR is doing a great job even with no big guns and so was IR before.
But Yuvan is the one i am apprehensive about.he requires big ones like Selva to give gud music. :banghead:

[nilavupriyan]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

we mention kamal as a director here!..as a producer too!

[Nakeeran]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

we mention kamal as a director here!..as a producer too!

Enna solla vareenga ippo ? :roll:

[nilavupriyan]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

Ramesh , its partly true but what I fail to understand from some BLIND IR WORSHIPPERS is that they also carry the same EGO and KOBAM of IR and THEY TOO EXPECT the ones listed by you above to fall flat at him ! :oops:

WHY ?

we dint expect anyone to fall flat at him!..

AVM??..why bringing AVM..its the directors choice of music director..not the production company!

regarding barathiraja..we know what happened to him after leaving ilayaraja...balachander is working with a new guy now!

now BALA is considered as the best among the youth is workin with IR...KAMAL -the big gun is working with ir whenever he produce or direct!..who else do u expect!

mani and shanker(he is not a great director)??..i guess there is ego clash between mani and ir..heard abt it!

[nilavupriyan]

Please add Manirathnam/KB/AVM /Bharathi Raja
names also who left IR and working with other MD's.

Not only Rajini films ,so called kamal also worked with other MD's(except own proudction).

ramesh

we mention kamal as a director here!..as a producer too!

Enna solla vareenga ippo ? :roll:

Virumaandi,hey raam maddhiri padangalukku IR music seythu kondirukkiraar..idhu podhadha endru ketkirom!

[Nakeeran]

Adhai thaanay avarum solraar ? Heyram's choice of MD must have been from kamal .

[nilavupriyan]

Adhai thaanay avarum solraar ? Heyram's choice of MD must have been from kamal .

he said even kamal works with others!

thats why i said ir is not needed for pks etc

[selvakumar]

But Yuvan is the one i am apprehensive about.he requires big ones like Selva to give gud music.
<dgn>
Beg to disagree. Yuvan had already proved himself on a number of times by working with not so popular directors. But whenever selva-YSR combo comes, they perform well. Those are special combinations which do wonders with powerful script, screenplay etc. With that alone, We cannot say that YSR is not like that. if it is Shrikanth Deva, we can agree.
Some of the works of YSR like Ram are awesome. Even Ammer couldn't repeat such magin in his previous works
</dgn>

[Nakeeran]

Adhai thaanay avarum solraar ? Heyram's choice of MD must have been from kamal .

he said even kamal works with others!

thats why i said ir is not needed for pks etc

why because its a comedy movie ? then why did IR do SINGARA VELAN ? because of RVU ??

[selvakumar]

Adhai thaanay avarum solraar ? Heyram's choice of MD must have been from kamal .

he said even kamal works with others!

thats why i said ir is not needed for pks etc

why because its a comedy movie ? then why did IR do SINGARA VELAN ? because of RVU ??

yup.. Selection of a MD is part of the work of the director & producer. IT has nothing to do with KAMAL selecting them etc unless or otherwise he directs/ produces the movie

But if u do consider the selection of someone for PKS and the one for ViRumaandi, HeyRAm etc you can see why they choose IR over others.

The same applies to RK too. Shankar & others are choosing ARR for his movies. Vasu chose VS. IT is not his work. 8-)

[nilavupriyan]

Adhai thaanay avarum solraar ? Heyram's choice of MD must have been from kamal .

he said even kamal works with others!

thats why i said ir is not needed for pks etc

why because its a comedy movie ? then why did IR do SINGARA VELAN ? because of RVU ??

that depends upon schedule..ir might have had some work etc..

udhayakumar and kamal like ir!..

[MusicIsLife]

Etho IR veetile pattini kidakara mathiriyum avar ingae sonna MD's kittae picchai kaettu music pottu panam sambadichu vazhara madhiriyum pesaranga. Avar than music yaar kaettu varangalo pidichirinda amaithu kodukarar, poyachu poyachunnu kathuruvangalukku oru vinnapam: IR innum isai-thu kondu thaan irukirar, ungalukku pidichadhunna kaelunga, illainna kaetkadeenga. Athai vittutu IR-fansukku ellam ego, kopamnnu pesarathu nalla illai. Appadiyae irunthalum etho past back-up irukku. Maddy kaetta madhiri ippo athu mathiri isai amaikka mudiyumannu kaetta, mudiyumnnu thaan solla mudiyum, aana IR thane isai amaikannum naama illayae. Ellame oru concept, work ethic, risk eduthu thaan seiyaranga music porutha varaikkum ethu hit aagumnnu solla mudiyarathu illai. Intha "fish-song" person kooda thaan perusa ayitar athukku ella padathilayum Gana paata poda mudiyum?
Yaar kaalleyum Yaarum vizha vendam, athu music field-ukku varumbothu may be, help kaettu irukkalam.

Source: Cinesouth
IR madras vandha podhu Jayakanthanidam sonnaram: naan ungali nambi vandhaennu, Jayakanthan: thaapu nee unnai nambi vandhirukkanum. probably IR believes in himself too much!! that could be called EGO, PRIDE, or Mandai Ganam whatever, but IR is still there (IInd innings or third Innings or whatever).

Summa IR ivarukku isai amaikalai/avarukku isai amaikalainnu sollarathu ellam nondi saaku, for anybody in my opinion they have to have a clear vision and not thread from the path to attain the vision ( i cannot vouch for what IR thinks, probably he has something different in his mind).

[nilavupriyan]

Etho IR veetile pattini kidakara mathiriyum avar ingae sonna MD's kittae picchai kaettu music pottu panam sambadichu vazhara madhiriyum pesaranga. Avar than music yaar kaettu varangalo pidichirinda amaithu kodukarar, poyachu poyachunnu kathuruvangalukku oru vinnapam: IR innum isai-thu kondu thaan irukirar, ungalukku pidichadhunna kaelunga, illainna kaetkadeenga. Athai vittutu IR-fansukku ellam ego, kopamnnu pesarathu nalla illai. Appadiyae irunthalum etho past back-up irukku. Maddy kaetta madhiri ippo athu mathiri isai amaikka mudiyumannu kaetta, mudiyumnnu thaan solla mudiyum, aana IR thane isai amaikannum naama illayae. Ellame oru concept, work ethic, risk eduthu thaan seiyaranga music porutha varaikkum ethu hit aagumnnu solla mudiyarathu illai. Intha "fish-song" person kooda thaan perusa ayitar athukku ella padathilayum Gana paata poda mudiyum?
Yaar kaalleyum Yaarum vizha vendam, athu music field-ukku varumbothu may be, help kaettu irukkalam.

Source: Cinesouth
IR madras vandha podhu Jayakanthanidam sonnaram: naan ungali nambi vandhaennu, Jayakanthan: thaapu nee unnai nambi vandhirukkanum. probably IR believes in himself too much!! that could be called EGO, PRIDE, or Mandai Ganam whatever, but IR is still there (IInd innings or third Innings or whatever).

Summa IR ivarukku isai amaikalai/avarukku isai amaikalainnu sollarathu ellam nondi saaku, for anybody in my opinion they have to have a clear vision and not thread from the path to attain the vision ( i cannot vouch for what IR thinks, probably he has something different in his mind).
:thumbsup:

[MusicIsLife]

Yaaro said they are apprehensive about YSR, I dont think he is bad, he is not great, but he has the pulse of TFM right now in his favor coz of the string of hits he has given recently. Fans living in TN can justify or say I am wrong (coz I could be wrong).

[MADDY]

AVM??..why bringing AVM..its the directors choice of music director..not the production company!


hello nilavu, it was AVM who finalised ARR for shivaji......with shankar sending feelers to HJ and rajni visiting IR after TIS release, we were really doubtful whether ARR would be taken for this project until AVM declared that they need ARR for bringing a rich touch to the movie.....

[MusicIsLife]

<dgn>
Maddy
"ARR for bringing a rich touch to the movie", is he so expensive, demanding in Pounds may be, just kidding, no offense, just to lighten the conversation!!
</dgn>

[nilavupriyan]

AVM??..why bringing AVM..its the directors choice of music director..not the production company!


hello nilavu, it was AVM who finalised ARR for shivaji......with shankar sending feelers to HJ and rajni visiting IR after TIS release, we were really doubtful whether ARR would be taken for this project until AVM declared that they need ARR for bringing a rich touch to the movie.....

why dont u take this way...even after rajni's meeting, ilayaraja refused to work with rajni..so they hd to opt for the next better choice arr!

karpanai yaar vena pannalaam !

[Nakeeran]

Some more songs wish to add :

1. thenmaduarai vaigainadhi - melodious
2. venmegam mannil vandhu , kannay naan annan alla - brother shows his affection
3. Oru thanga rathathil - Another splendid one
4. Aagaya gangai poonthenmalar soodi - SUPER HIT
5. All songs from JOHNNY / KAZUGU / NETRIKAN
6. viziyilay malarndhadhu
7. Endha poovilum vasam undu ( Unique ! )
8. Pattu vanna selaikari
9. Aadal kalayay devan thandhadhu
10. Nenjay un aasai enna

[MADDY]

why dont u take this way...even after rajni's meeting, ilayaraja refused to work with rajni..so they hd to opt for the next better choice arr!

karpanai yaar vena pannalaam !

i dunno y this trait is there for all IR-fans......y r u so unsure abt IR's ability themselves....u always come up with statements like IR is better than ARR, next best is ARR.......have u seen ARR fans post like that????cos we are sure that ARR is better than everyone......we need not post it again and again like kids writing imposition in the school........

i told u that point cos i wanted to tell u that producer has a say in MD selection........nuthin else....i did not suggest anything else....ayyo ayyo, yaen thaan ivalovu insecurity IR fansukku..... :banghead:

[MusicIsLife]

Maddy,
I dont think any of the IR fans here have insecurity(konjam naalaikku munnadi this was called EGO problems, PRO problems and such). If you see IR fans post, they are pretty much clear (though stubborn to accept some of the facts).

ARRfans engayavathu ithumathiri post pannuvaangalannu kaetta: IR pichai edukkanumnu sonnathu yaaru.. appadiyae parthalum IR-kku appuram ARR (ARR-kku appuram IR illayae chronologically speaking unless it is like a resume with reverse chronological order) the hierarchy should be msv->IR->ARR ithai martha mudiyadhu so be proud that atleast there will be somebody just to be said after ARR -> Mr xyz is going to rule TFM.

I do accept that the Producer has a SAY in MD selection probably AVM had a good run with Minsara Kanavu songs, and by the way (not in an offensive way), ARR could have agreed to do the movie, coz he has got time in his hands to churn out good ones. Probably small banners and new comers might not have not much time for a quick turnaround.

neenga pesarathu partha engoyo ungalukku thaan insecurity pola thonarthu.

[nilavupriyan]

maddy we are not insecure!..ive just posted it to just say we can imagine in our own way!

:lol: :lol: ..u only posted as though rajni wanted to go with ir and AVM stopped it!

any producer would want a music director who finishes work quickly..and with rajni and shankar in that package AVM doesnt need ARR to make it big!

[buggle]

i told u that point cos i wanted to tell u that producer has a say in MD selection........nuthin else....i did not suggest anything else....ayyo ayyo, yaen thaan ivalovu insecurity IR fansukku..... :banghead:[/quote]

Yeah insecurity..because ARR fans come and change the minds of IR fans..good try better luck next time..

[MusicIsLife]

Appa intha topic konjam thisai thirupuvoma
Just imagine, how shankar is including all his associate directors like Balaji sakthivel, Vasantha Balan and others for story discussion and stuff.

Let us assume ARR is not the MD and all MD's will have one song for this movie how should it
be? to start with
Deva will do the Rajini Entrance by mixing ARR's and IR's together ex pothuvaga + oruvan oruvan

what about BGM, LOVE SONG, SENTIMENT and others
OR
We can choose ARR's old movie songs (not rajinis) and make it suited for sivaji
Ex
Ah Aah song for Rajini Entrance
New - Song for Shreya.


"Guys/gals this is not a fight, just imagine and start pouring out, let us have much lighter conversation"

[Sanjeevi]

Aararai Kodi Pergalil Oruvan will suit well for Rajini but as a IInd grade Rajini song.

ARR should give best for Shivaji.

[MADDY]

Aararai Kodi Pergalil Oruvan will suit well for Rajini but as a IInd grade Rajini song.

ARR should give best for Shivaji.

u have caught up with IInd grade word a lot... :lol: probably listening to a lot of Karthickraja's songs(naalai)....... :lol: .....

nilavu, there were media reports that Rajini met IR after TIS release which was just at the time of shivaji launch......obviously none cud rule out IR.......and it was AVM who confirmed ARR as the MD, and they gave "richness" as the reason for their reason to choose ARR.....i have just quoted their statements and not mine.....

MIL, IR fans are insecure since the day ARR arrived........if u do root cause analysis of all bashings u'll find out the truth.....i know u dunt want to....leave it MIL, as scale said just wait till shivaji releases and wait for ARR to answer all the critics here.....y shuld i do it :wink:

[MusicIsLife]

i know u dunt want to....leave it MIL

Maddy
It is not I dont want to, but root cause analysis still says IR fans are not insecure; the postings might be more of a bashing (which i sincerely dont agree to, it shows low class); it goes either ways.

But I still think Shivaji could be good, I was so impressed with the New Song, I am expecting a little more (this is true, when Dalapathy came out, I was so impressed with IR to change the whole way a RK movie music could be, more than that the BGM was out of the world). I take efforts to go to theatres only for RK movies here in NJ so surely I am waiting for a good and impressive musical score

[MusicIsLife]

Maddy
it is also like this, if you think logically, if the music is by IR, we used to listen to it invariably, the only other person in recent years i have been motivated is ARR. Whether good or bad or we like or not like it is totally a different question.

[Sanjeevi]

Aararai Kodi Pergalil Oruvan will suit well for Rajini but as a IInd grade Rajini song.

ARR should give best for Shivaji.

u have caught up with IInd grade word a lot... :lol: probably listening to a lot of Karthickraja's songs(naalai)....... :lol: .....


MADDY :lol:
yes, before naali songs i rated "6.5 kodi song" in Ist grade. But naali songs put "6.5" into IInd grade.

same side goal pootteenga

[MADDY]

MADDY :lol:
yes, before naali songs i rated "6.5 kodi song" in Ist grade. But naali songs put "6.5" into IInd grade.

same side goal pootteenga

ipaadiye pesi pesi KR manasa rana galam aakittungappa........innuma oor avara nambaranga??? :lol:

btw i never know listening to KR's songs have such side effects :shock: .....kai pulla escapu :wink:

[umaramesh]

Even I heard that for ANNIYAN shankar was planning to do with IR but not come through. Shankar has high regard for IR(I think during TIS release)and praised a lot. we are all missing shankar-IR combination. Leave alone all the comments ,his work with ARR proved super hit and he gives importance for song as well as picturaisation.

ramesh

[Scale]

umaramesh,

Ir for Anniyan lol!. Shankar IR Combo . ayyo vendave vendam.

[umaramesh]

Scale
Why so scared :lol: . Imagine when BR signed up with ARR first time? but we enjoyed new varities?

ramesh

[Scale]

uma madam,

KC strength is script, director ^ veteran actors apart from music. Shankar IR combo set aavadhu. IRvaala ippa oru Shakalakka baby kudukka mudiyuma illa Boys dating thaan kudukka mudiyuma. ARRla mattum thaan Mudhalvanevayum kudukka mudiyum kurukku siruthavaleyum ore packla mudiyum. kandippa oru thala thevai illama vurulum. paavam producer pala kodi selavu panni padam edukkuraaru...:sad:

[Nakeeran]

Scale
Why so scared :lol: . Imagine when BR signed up with ARR first time? but we enjoyed new varities?

ramesh

Ramesh, actually you have opened a Pandora's box now !

The fact is that the best of the so called old friends BR-IR combo after they broke out, everybody thought that it will be disaster for BR but what actually happened is history.
BR still could get the IR type music in Vedam pudhithu , a real gem of a composition ( but not from ARR )
kodiparakuthu was good as well.
Kizakku cheemayilay was excellent ( precisely what BR wanted for a village story & this time it was ARR ).
Though BR did ennuyir thozan with IR back in brief , the songs were below par ( when compared to IR standards )

Agreed, BR-IR combo could be one of the best ever but i think BR didnt miss much after they got split

ARR adequately breached the gap.

Ippa both BR-IR rendu perukkum vayasu ayudichi . history never repeats .Sonna ellarkum kobam varum. Gudhichikondu thirandu varuvanga :oops:

If one is a fan of IR doesnt mean that he shoud denounce / degrade other MDs especially ARR when he was the first guy who took over from Maestro with a new brand of music. Lets appreciate that fact.

[Nakeeran]

uma madam,

KC strength is script, director ^ veteran actors apart from music. Shankar IR combo set aavadhu. IRvaala ippa oru Shakalakka baby kudukka mudiyuma illa Boys dating thaan kudukka mudiyuma. ARRla mattum thaan Mudhalvanevayum kudukka mudiyum kurukku siruthavaleyum ore packla mudiyum. kandippa oru thala thevai illama vurulum. paavam producer pala kodi selavu panni padam edukkuraaru...:sad:

Scale, I think only once IR tried Its Masthana Masthana !

[Nakeeran]

MADDY :lol:
yes, before naali songs i rated "6.5 kodi song" in Ist grade. But naali songs put "6.5" into IInd grade.

same side goal pootteenga

ipaadiye pesi pesi KR manasa rana galam aakittungappa........innuma oor avara nambaranga??? :lol:

btw i never know listening to KR's songs have such side effects :shock: .....kai pulla escapu :wink:

Maddy

idharku peyar dhaan blind loyaltynu solvanga. IR is IR . thevai illama avar pasagalayum pugaz padina edho avarakku thondu seivadhu pola silar nadipargal silar. Why dont these guys appreciate VS or HS . They will not because of bias and prejudice.
paratinaa, IR kobichupar pola ivangalaparthu. Iyyo Iyyo ! :oops:

[MADDY]

Maddy

idharku peyar dhaan blind loyaltynu solvanga. IR is IR . thevai illama avar pasagalayum pugaz padina edho avarakku thondu seivadhu pola silar nadipargal silar. Why dont these guys appreciate VS or HS . They will not because of bias and prejudice.
paratinaa, IR kobichupar pola ivangalaparthu. Iyyo Iyyo ! :oops:

xactly my point Nakeeran........i dunno y ppl. just want to support everything that is IR.........IR is gr8, arguably the gr8est, but i will never stand YSR and KR supported just bcos they are IR's sons.......look at the threads started for KR's albums, only IR fans are posting and our dinesh(ARR fans are everywhere :lol: to appreciate anyone) are posting..nobody else is bothering also.......i dunno y they want to promote his family so much.....tell u wat, they cant even stand comments against Bavadharini.......

[dinesh2002]

Maddy

idharku peyar dhaan blind loyaltynu solvanga. IR is IR . thevai illama avar pasagalayum pugaz padina edho avarakku thondu seivadhu pola silar nadipargal silar. Why dont these guys appreciate VS or HS . They will not because of bias and prejudice.
paratinaa, IR kobichupar pola ivangalaparthu. Iyyo Iyyo ! :oops:

xactly my point Nakeeran........i dunno y ppl. just want to support everything that is IR.........IR is gr8, arguably the gr8est, but i will never stand YSR and KR supported just bcos they are IR's sons.......look at the threads started for KR's albums, only IR fans are posting and our dinesh(ARR fans are everywhere :lol: to appreciate anyone) are posting..nobody else is bothering also.......i dunno y they want to promote his family so much.....tell u wat, they cant even stand comments against Bavadharini.......

hey maddy,i didint realise that untill u mentioned it here....in KR threads,i noticed Sanjeevi & Rajasaranam is the 1 beeing active there....goodness....wonder y these people r like this,just supporting KR & YSR just becoz they r IR's SON???????? :shock: :shock: u dun see ARR fans supporting A.R.Rehana just becoz she is ARR's sis,infact i belive many actually were disgusted by her music rather than going around hyping her music was fabulous just coz she IS ARR'S SIS!

seriously,they say YSR is leading among youths,etc etc,having many articles on him,[like in behindwood]...but isnt it its HJ is the 1 ruling the audio chart nowdays??? :?:

[rajasaranam]

Maddy, dinesh and Nakeeran,

Its more like kudumba paasam towards IR from us fans :) Shiva baktharagal muruganayum, pillaiyaarayum kumbudra madhiri thaan ithu :wink:
Why do you people worry about this :roll:

[dinesh2002]

Maddy, dinesh and Nakeeran,

Its more like kudumba paasam towards IR from us fans :) Shiva baktharagal muruganayum, pillaiyaarayum kumbudra madhiri thaan ithu :wink:
Why do you people worry about this :roll:

wut bout IR's wife?? is she in any field??? if she is...im not willign to think the support u guys would give her too!!! :lol:

[Sanjeevi]

Sombody told about me indirectly i am so loyal person on IR and his family. See people, before this i appreciated KR only for his "Album" movie (Chellamai Chellam song). After "Album" there are many movies came from him. I did not like any album after "Album". May be i liked one or two songs. After a long gap i liked 2 albums currently from KR.

What is wrong with you guys? :lol:

[Sanjeevi]

Not only i am appreciating KR now, please read the following

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22475.html

http://milliblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/naalai.html

http://milliblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/manathodu-mazhaikalam.html

[Nakeeran]

Siripu dhan varudhu . Eppada ARR kavundhuruvar , payasaym vachi kondalamnu oru gumbal irukkudhu pola !
IR rasigar endral avarodu niruthikollungalen ? adhenne avarudaya kudumba thuthipadal ?

Sanjeevi, ( I know what is running in your heart ) , for your type of guys, YOU ARE JUST LONGING FOR THAT DAY WHEN YSR OR KR OVERTAKES ARR.
OR THE DAY WHEN ARR GIVES UP MUSIC OR THE DAY WHEN HE SITS IDLE
THIS WILL BE A MOMENT FOR CELEBRATION.

kadavulay kadavulay , thiruthungappa ivangalai !

IDHARKU PEYAR VAYITRERICHAL.

All stems from the basic reason that ARR took over from IR . OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THIS FAMILY WORSHIPPING ??

CRAZY

[Nakeeran]

Not only i am appreciating KR now, please read the following

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/22475.html

http://milliblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/naalai.html

http://milliblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/manathodu-mazhaikalam.html

I can give 100s of such links :lol:

So does it elevate KR to higher echelons straight away ?
If you are a true music lover, why cant you talk about HJ or VS or Bharadwaj ? :evil: :evil:

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran, RS, Maddy, Sanjeevi et all
ippadiyae pesi pesi topic-ai vera disai maatri vitteergal. cool!!

[dinesh2002]

Nakeeran,im impressed by u !! :thumbsup: :clap: :D...for once an IR fan supporting TRUE MUSIC!!! without seeing the family links... unlike few people here....

[Justice]

*dig

Nakeeran is not a fan of IR or KH or Ajith. He's the ulter ego of someone here. He's using the cheap tactic (of having the tag IR fan or KH fan) to ridicule both of them. I read every single post of yours. Stop before moderators take a good care of you.

[Nakeeran]

*dig

Nakeeran is not a fan of IR or KH or Ajith. He's the ulter ego of someone here. He's using the cheap tactic (of having the tag IR fan or KH fan) to ridicule both of them. I read every single post of yours. Stop before moderators take a good care of you.

Kudos for exposing me mate :D

So, if somebody is attached to someone, HE SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORSHIP EVEN HIS CHILDREN BLINDLY ? IS THIS WHAT DEFINES MUSIC LOVING ?
JUSTICE, IF YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED, JOIN THE ISSUE FOR DEBATE AS NOW THIS THREAD IS VEERING TOWARDS ANOTHER DIRECTION WHICH I AM ALSO FOLLOWING THE TIDE.

Its of least significance about who is Nakeeran or his whereabouts ?
Nice to hear that you read all of my posts. thanks :wink:

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,im impressed by u !! :thumbsup: :clap: :D...for once an IR fan supporting TRUE MUSIC!!! without seeing the family links... unlike few people here....

For being neutral, I may be beheaded soon :oops:

[MusicIsLife]

"For being neutral, I may be beheaded soon"

Really!!

[rajasaranam]

Nakeeran,
SO WHAT IF WE WORSHIP IR AND HIS FAMILY...what are your problems. :huh:

Tell us musically if KR and YSR are inferior to anybody apart from IR in the field right now :?:
DO you people ask us to support likes of Iman or dheena, If yes sorry folks its not our forte :P

But I have appreciated VS for his thendral, Parthiban kanavu etc., baradwaj for PanvarBoomi,Parthen rasithen etc., I like the few film wonders balabarathy[thalaivaasal] athithyan [amaran]and barani [paarvai ondre podhume] too.
I've appreciated Joshua sridhar too... infact i started the thread for 'UYIR' and also for ARR's LOTR and BOSE.

We are more open and appreciate good music wherever it comes from while we have soft corner towards IR's family. But we dont support them blindly... Being grown under the baton of IR we expect them to create the same magic what their father had given to us. Even if they satisy 50% of our needs we will be happy and rave about it. But incidentaly they are prone to outshine all other MD's and give good music mostly.

Preferentially Iam more biased towards KR because he was more close to IR and has been with him helping right from 'Pandian' days. So I expect him to come out good...while some other IR fans are biased towards YSR...

But KR has never failed to impress me in every other album... listen to DDD, Kudaikkul mazhai, Ullasam, Album, NINI etc., and tell me dont you find shades Of IR's orchestrational and composing techniques. If yes then this debate becomes pointless as we are supporting only worthy person. If not clean up your ears :wink:

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,
SO WHAT IF WE WORSHIP IR AND HIS FAMILY...what are your problems. :huh:

Tell us musically if KR and YSR are inferior to anybody apart from IR in the field right now :?:
DO you people ask us to support likes of Iman or dheena, If yes sorry folks its not our forte :P

But I have appreciated VS for his thendral, Parthiban kanavu etc., baradwaj for PanvarBoomi,Parthen rasithen etc., I like the few film wonders balabarathy[thalaivaasal] athithyan [amaran]and barani [paarvai ondre podhume] too.
I've appreciated Joshua sridhar too... infact i started the thread for 'UYIR' and also for ARR's LOTR and BOSE.

We are more open and appreciate good music wherever it comes from while we have soft corner towards IR's family. But we dont support them blindly... Being grown under the baton of IR we expect them to create the same magic what their father had given to us. Even if they satisy 50% of our needs we will be happy and rave about it. But incidentaly they are prone to outshine all other MD's and give good music mostly.

Preferentially Iam more biased towards KR because he was more close to IR and has been with him helping right from 'Pandian' days. So I expect him to come out good...while some other IR fans are biased towards YSR...

But KR has never failed to impress me in every other album... listen to DDD, Kudaikkul mazhai, Ullasam, Album, NINI etc., and tell me dont you find shades Of IR's orchestrational and composing techniques. If yes then this debate becomes pointless as we are supporting only worthy person. If not clean up your ears :wink:

Great if there is no bias. IMHO, KR seems more impressive on interludes ( I could see the raja touch ) . Sad that he went to backseat . Hopefully, he should come good soon

[Sanjeevi]

*dig

Nakeeran is not a fan of IR or KH or Ajith. He's the ulter ego of someone here. He's using the cheap tactic (of having the tag IR fan or KH fan) to ridicule both of them. I read every single post of yours. Stop before moderators take a good care of you.

Well said juice :D

Enakku oru pazhamozhi than ninaivukku varuthu
"Pasuthol Porthiya Puli"

He is acting here as IR/Ajith/KH fan. Nakeeeraa please come with your original shape :(

[Nakeeran]

*dig

Nakeeran is not a fan of IR or KH or Ajith. He's the ulter ego of someone here. He's using the cheap tactic (of having the tag IR fan or KH fan) to ridicule both of them. I read every single post of yours. Stop before moderators take a good care of you.

Well said juice :D

Enakku oru pazhamozhi than ninaivukku varuthu
"Pasuthol Porthiya Puli"

He is acting here as IR/Ajith/KH fan. Nakeeeraa please come with your original shape :(

Yen, vera pesa topic illaya ungallukku :lol:
I wonder what makes you put KR name under your wording !
Would appreciate if someone reaches a milestone to be admired.
Yes, KR is a capable guy but not yet reached that stage that you will have to put below your wording !
NAAN IDHAI THAAN THEVAI ILLADHA THUTHI PADAL ENDRU SOLGIREN ARUMAI NANBARAY :wink:

By the way, Mohanlal peyarai en viteergal ? avar thalayum urutungal pls :twisted: :twisted:

[Sanjeevi]

Great if there is no bias. IMHO, KR seems more impressive on interludes ( I could see the raja touch ) . Sad that he went to backseat . Hopefully, he should come good soon

Great Mr. Nakeeran great,

Keep playing your double game. :lol:.

He should come good soon???? And what about now????.
Tell me which hides KR's current two extremely well albums (Naalai and MM) to you. Your dusted ears or dusted heart??????.

You are telling that we like KR and his music due to his father factor even if he give worst albums.

Now i tell 100% opposite words only for you and some others

You hate KR and his music due to his father factor even if he give best albums.

[Sanjeevi]

By the way, Mohanlal peyarai en viteergal ? avar thalayum urutungal pls :twisted: :twisted:

Sorry rejected, he is very very stout :lol:

[Nakeeran]

Great if there is no bias. IMHO, KR seems more impressive on interludes ( I could see the raja touch ) . Sad that he went to backseat . Hopefully, he should come good soon

Great Mr. Nakeeran great,

Keep playing your double game. :lol:.

He should come good soon???? And what about now????.
Tell me which hides KR's current two extremely well albums (Naalai and MM) to you. Your dusted ears or dusted heart??????.

You are telling that we like KR and his music due to his father factor even if he give worst albums.

Now i tell 100% opposite words only for you and some others

You hate KR and his music due to his father factor even if he give best albums.

Sanjeevi,

What makes an ordinary composer to a great / genius is CONSISTENCY . If he is able to achieve that , hats off to him. ( I could see KR more matured and gentle in his approach which augurs well for his bright future )

[MusicIsLife]

Sanjeevi
Oru chinna vendugol:
Vidunga summa, topic-kku thagunda mathiri pesuvom? Will KR suit RK, athukku ethavathu example sonneenganna kaetkalam athai vittutu summa pesinadayae pesikittu iruntha intha topic-kku oru interest-um irukkadhu.

Naan ungalai matrum solluvadha ninaika vendam!!

Just intha topic-ai konjam interesting-a disai thirupungal saamy!! (hari -ai koopidanuma?)

[MusicIsLife]

What makes an ordinary composer to a great / genius is CONSISTENCY

Nakeeran

can you please define consistency

[Nakeeran]

What makes an ordinary composer to a great / genius is CONSISTENCY

Nakeeran

can you please define consistency

Long innings - Ability to have a decent long run ( take for ex : MSV, IR, ARR )

Depth of knowledge - classical, western, village folk

Variety - ( Avaru appavaya eduthukolvom - Meenkodi theril
manmadha rasan , Envaazvilay oray vennillaa, Kanmaniyay kadhal enbadhu , Podhuvaga enmanasu thangam , Pesa koodadhu, Aagaya gangai, Paruvamay pudhiya padal ,

Adaptability to the hero / heroene- Podhuvaga enmanasu thangam , Oruvan mudhalali , minsara kanna, Naan auto karan

Instrumental - Madai thirandhu thavum , Ilam pani thulir vizum neram , uravenum pudhiya vanil etc

If one has the combination of all the above ( JUST AN EXAMPLE AS THE LIST WILL BE BIG ), YOU ARE A WINNER :thumbsup:

If someone is able to deliver the above consistently , he automatically gets elevated into higher league.

IMHO, MSV, IR , ARR all fall into this category of elite group

[Sanjeevi]

Well said Nakeerare and all are same as in my view.

IMHO YSR has proved some/many (not all) of categories mentioned by you.

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran,
Somewhere along the line, I kind of get a feeling that what you are intending to tell and what is mentioned is misleading and misinforming (this is my opinion, we can always disagree)

How would you rate Deva by your definition?
Here is my explanation:

Long innings : Yes

Depth of knowledge - I dont know

Variety - from Prashant movie to Nerukku Ner

Adaptability to the hero / heroene- Rajni, Kamal(Avvai Shanmugi), Nerukku Ner, Aasai

If one has the combination of all the above ( JUST AN EXAMPLE AS THE LIST WILL BE BIG ), YOU ARE A WINNER Thumbs Up!: Deva is also a winner

If someone is able to deliver the above consistently , he automatically gets elevated into higher league: he did this when he was active so he should be in a higher league right?

[Sanjeevi]

Well said MusicIsLife

Add some more characteristics for a Best MD

1) Music for all type of moods (without help of any video, i mean pure audio)

2) Music for all type of scenes (to be set with scenes, important for a film MD)

And I am thinking for next ........... got it

3) Originality (better percentage)

and one more

4) Pure Music (without help of any language/lyrics, i.e. music has no languages)

[ansa400]

Nakeeran,
Somewhere along the line, I kind of get a feeling that what you are intending to tell and what is mentioned is misleading and misinforming (this is my opinion, we can always disagree)

How would you rate Deva by your definition?
Here is my explanation:

Long innings : Yes

Depth of knowledge - I dont know

Variety - from Prashant movie to Nerukku Ner

Adaptability to the hero / heroene- Rajni, Kamal(Avvai Shanmugi), Nerukku Ner, Aasai

If one has the combination of all the above ( JUST AN EXAMPLE AS THE LIST WILL BE BIG ), YOU ARE A WINNER Thumbs Up!: Deva is also a winner

If someone is able to deliver the above consistently , he automatically gets elevated into higher league: he did this when he was active so he should be in a higher league right?

You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

[MusicIsLife]

Ansa....,
I did not give the list, if it ORIGINALITY was added then I would have given some examples of Deva's gana tunes!!

PS: I am not a HC Deva fan!! please understand, this is just for argument sake.

[Scale]

Scale, I think only once IR tried Its Masthana Masthana !

Let me recall the earlier instance,

After Nayak's miserable failure in BO Shankar really pissed off and approached IR for his next venture "BOYS". Luckily IR accepted the project and they were seated for the initial discussions. Shankar explained the situation & requested IR to compose a song for his hero & friends (boys) in a kinda "Yekkam" for a Girlfriend (situation). IR replied ennappa nee idhe situation thaan yeppavume kondu poviya, naan thaan "april meyile pasumaye illai kaanji pochudannu yerkanave potrukenla", thannoda sondha kurale padi kaatraru. Anga pudicha vottam thaan next day london flighta pudichu nera ARR meet panna poraru. Shankar got an appointment from ARR busy composing ALW "BD" explained the same situation & requested him to compose a same "yekkam" song. Rahman took him for a drive, on the London streets to get some inspiration. Within a day Rahman composed a song "paal pole pathinaaril enakkoru girlfriend venum" with heavy rock stunning guitars. pa. vijay sent the lyrics over conferencing. Shankar was very happy, totally convinced with the song & return to india. Since he was confused how to picturize the song he forced Sujatha (after a busy schedule in writing novels & conducting Java seminars..) to accompany him for a drive in chennai for song shooting locations.
..................

Later only I came to know that Shankar & Sujatha were roaming around Spencer plaza, ranganathan street for song picturizations. :banghead:

IMO, IF at all there is one person who is totally ignorant of IR's composition then that's only "Shankar". That much he had been showered by ARR's magic. Ir - Shankar's combos is highly impossible. Shankar enna mudhal mariyadhaiya edukkuraaru.

[umaramesh]

Hi ansa400

You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

Valid point. I got to read about Joshwa sridhar that he copied some tune for the latest release. Ridiculous to see he is doing it in the earlier stage itself. I think this one is main criteria , I think most of the new comers and those who aleady there will get disqualified immeidately for level said by Nakeeran.

I dont think YSR also deserves this level as he tend copy some extent.

ramesh

[Nakeeran]

Hi ansa400

You've left out one important factor- ORIGINALITY. If u take that into a/c, then I think DEVA disqualifies and to some extent YSR too.

Valid point. I got to read about Joshwa sridhar that he copied some tune for the latest release. Ridiculous to see he is doing it in the earlier stage itself. I think this one is main criteria , I think most of the new comers and those who aleady there will get disqualified immeidately for level said by Nakeeran.

I dont think YSR also deserves this level as he tend copy some extent.

ramesh

Ramesh,

ORIGINALITY

Immediately, I could think of KVM, G.Ramanathan, S.M.S

they were true class. Now a days I have been listening the oldies only because of the ORIGINALITY FACTOR.

I think Music is Life has brought disrepute to this thread by dragging in DEVA whose ulta name is VEDA , the eternal copy cat of tamil films

Why today IR's music is being admired stems from the fact that he WAS ORIGINAL

for those music lovers, ILAM PANI THULIR VIZUM NERAM is a stellar example of IR class ! :thumbsup: I think its a very old song of IR

For the kick start Rajini had in Podhuvaga en manasu thangam , he should thank IR for 10 generations

[umaramesh]

I think those days commercial viability is not much compare to present one. Even though VEDA use to do that but he was not rated as best and no followers for him . Quiet unfortunate that present day we know from where it has come (copied)but still appreciating the work. :x

ramesh

[MusicIsLife]

I think MusicIsLife has brought disrepute to this thread

Nakeeran:
I just explained logically all the points you mentioned,and did I stray away from the points, humbly asked what is your rating? it is like a flow chart of explanation. Nobody brings disrepute to anything. (If I bring in Shankar Ganesh/Chandrabose then I am misleading the thread).

My opinion is Deva could be suited for RK even now too (not the best fit).

[vasanth2006]

Well said Nakeerare and all are same as in my view.

IMHO YSR has proved some/many (not all) of categories mentioned by you.

closely I am watching this thread. some of the people apprenhensive about Yuvan's talent.

Dont You feel Yuvan is proving this? :shock:
Dont you feel Yuvan Leading the Race?

somebody saying about U1's articles. guys HINDU is the classical paper. they will give reliable matters only.Hindu saying that Yuvan is the new Youth icon Dont say that HINDU is the IR family supporter? :hammer:
all of the web media appriciating Yuvan's work. all the web media IR's family supporters?
India today give list of talented growing youngsters in TN .(i think 2004/2005)
in musical area, Yuvan got the place in the list.
India Today is IR family supporter?
AV gave the top 10 peoples of 2005.
Yuvan is the one guy alongwith likes of RK.
AV is IR's supporter?
Yuvan got the Best MD award in international cyprus film festival.
Yuvan's music satisfying international peoples.Yuvan's music has international charm. :D (Yuvan also planning for International pop album. :D )
Yuvan got the International best MD because of IR's son? :hammer:
go to the colleges and see the Yuvan's grace.
now he got more and more fans other than IR's fans.
Anti-IR groups always critisize Yuvan. :(

May be intial carrier of Yuvan is promoted by IR's fans. after sometime he is growing on his own. Please Leave him. he has to grow.

regarding inspirations,

MSV is not inspired? IR is not inspired? ARR is not inspired?
i dont want to give elaborate information regarding this.

Yuvan also inspiring. little bit higher than those people.
i think he is reducing that activity. his recent albums proove that.

guys Yuvan is late pick-up guy and he is the perfect hard worker. He is slowly improving in all areas. :) (You can feel that from aravindan to pudhupettai.)

sorry for dig.

[buggle]

Scale,
I heard similar incidents happened when Bala and Fazil tried to work with ARR..
Loser...try something different

[MADDY]

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR.........so they dunt write anything bad abt IR or his family......dunt take all these as yuvan's achievements.....yes sure, he has given lots of hits in these 2 yrs, but HJ has given bigger hits than him.......and look at Himesh in 2005, he gave 14 albums or so and all of them were hits.......yuvan is doing nuthin out-of-ordinary.......he is yet another MD but just bcos of IR factor, he is getting all these accolades....

moreover, just show me one bad review abt YSR album....now, i guess, u'll accept Geethai as a bad album, but i never saw a bad article for that too....u know, ARR got bad reviews for classics like Karuthamma too.....tamil media were made to eat the humble pie when national media started raving abt ARR and then only they started realising ARR is not a small person to just shoo away.......

[MADDY]

forgot to add nowadays Hindu is nuthin but tamil version of Dinakaran and Tamil Murasu........i'm not telling just bcos they wrote gud abt u1, but they really degraded enormously....

[rajasaranam]

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR...


:shock: :roll: :huh: :?: :!: :? :idea: :) :D :lol: :mrgreen: :twisted: :rotfl: :P :tongueout: :poke: :thumbsup: :clap: :notworthy: :wave:

Hope this explains a lot :wink:

[MusicIsLife]

whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR

Maddy:
this is completely bologne!! I totally disagree to it. Anyday show-biz people should be scared/worried and conscious about media not other way around.

[MADDY]

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point..... :lol:

Analyse this - its been 13 yrs since IR claimed that he had composed symphony in RPH, but we have no details abt it yet....not a single audio file, web-link, .jpg pic, not even a .wav file as a evidence........though IR fans claim that it is caught up in some rights issue, why hasnt a single tamil magazine/daily questioned this???....tamil media is "thuppuketta",spineless, jalra, chillara pasanga.........

(a special mention abt Dinakaran which raked up symphony issue but they did it in a ugly, vindictive way).......

[Scale]

Scale,
1. I heard similar incidents happened when Bala and Fazil tried to work with ARR..
Loser...try something different

Who appointed you as a referee here? :roll: Like our self-acclaimed Master? :? Overly Matured?

Doesnt your first line shows ur disturbed ,unexplainable state & clearly signifies how poor are you in judgement (Loser...)

Ok Challenge :thumbsup:, Why restric only Bala/Fazil take from Annakili to Madhu give me various situation/diff genres (10) which ARR couldnt have composed. IF uyire uyire is close(what Master said) where is "april meyile" when compared to "Girlfriend". For (ex.) If IR has scored a song for amma (mannan) ARR have always scored an equivalent/better song like KM title song mothers expression to her adopted child in a conservative form.... :notworthy: Another Masterpiece is Udhaya Udhaya.. Seek Masters help :lol:

Be prepared: My list will be a severe attack mostly on various genres. It will show Rahman's major involvement & how he rejected outrightly every damn situation composing trend & instead changed the whole situation with an amazing presentation. Thats the major reason why most of his songs/films are super hits.

Recent one what I saw from IR is "Mr Bharath" pacha molaga kaaramillai maamanaarukku moolai :lol: illai. :banghead:

[MusicIsLife]

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point
Maddy, No offense, i know your postings,
I am not opposing, but I feel it is kind-a not agreeable, logically speaking what you said.

And secondly if the magazine did not question, it might not be coz of being scared, but "there is no material that would get them sold"

[Scale]

MIL, i knew u wud come out opposing my point..... :lol:

Analyse this - its been 13 yrs since IR claimed that he had composed symphony in RPH, but we have no details abt it yet....not a single audio file, web-link, .jpg pic, not even a .wav file as a evidence........though IR fans claim that it is caught up in some rights issue, why hasnt a single tamil magazine/daily questioned this???....tamil media is "thuppuketta",spineless, jalra, chillara pasanga.........

(a special mention abt Dinakaran which raked up symphony issue but they did it in a ugly, vindictive way).......

I dont need anything. Just only the credit list. Who were all actually involved?. How come ARR knew/heard about this symphony to comment thats genuine. Why this wasnt asked to ARR after that? :evil:

[Justice]

IR is the best and is the most suited for Rajini. IR is a genius who has been in the industry for decades. ARR fans(some) mock or chastise IR if they don't like his recent outcomes but they must know how YSR fans or any other new generation MD fans will laugh at ARR few decades later. It's better they accept IR is the best and move on than whining or finding every chance to objurgate. It's really pestering to hear from Nakeeran(ulter ego of an ARR fan) his famous saying "IR lost his old touch."

[MusicIsLife]

Scale,
Good that you mentioned, I love "Amma endru azhaikada" for three things (1. IR, 2. Yesudas, 3. I love my mom) this was a nostalgic song as one of the fans of RK, and the song is still close to my heart.
But I do agree, my pick in the amma sentiment song goes to ARR's Pavithra song "Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye" song, the reasons being amazing lyrics by Vairamuthu.
All in all that song was awesome and UnniK sung is so nicely.

[nilavupriyan]

Scale,
Good that you mentioned, I love "Amma endru azhaikada" for three things (1. IR, 2. Yesudas, 3. I love my mom) this was a nostalgic song as one of the fans of RK, and the song is still close to my heart.
But I do agree, my pick in the amma sentiment song goes to ARR's Pavithra song "Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye" song, the reasons being amazing lyrics by Vairamuthu.
All in all that song was awesome and UnniK sung is so nicely.

what abt "chinna thaayavazh" from thalapathy!

my favourite "amma song"

[Scale]

MIL,

Thats a great song. Actually it was the first song which striked me immediately for this analysis. But how many knew about this song which bombed in BO thats why I picked KM song to show it a sentimental feel. Isnt the national award for UK picked for ennavale & uyirum neeye. There is one more song which Rahman composed is "Oh Bosnia" adopted in Pukar "Ek Tuhi Barosha" will make me cry.... weep...weep. Its a Mothers call to the childrens of the nation. Rahman also composed one more song for Abdul Kalam with kids vocals during republic day.

Lukka Chuppi,Maa Tujhe Salam, kalayil dhinamum kanvizhithal, Theeyil are other great compositions etc...

[MADDY]

Lukka chuppi is a all time gr8 song..........i wish shivaji also has a amma sentiment song........Rahman revels in amma/patriotic songs.......... :thumbsup:

[Sanjeevi]

Amma songs

IR many songs

Amma enralaikkatha
Nanaka naan illai thayee
Petha manasu
and more more

ARR

Kalaiyil thinamum
Uyirum neeyae, Unarvum neeye

YSR

Aarariraro

[vasanth2006]

Vasanth, whole of tamil media, i repeat , the entire tamil media are scared of IR.........so they dunt write anything bad abt IR or his family......dunt take all these as yuvan's achievements.....yes sure, he has given lots of hits in these 2 yrs, but HJ has given bigger hits than him.......and look at Himesh in 2005, he gave 14 albums or so and all of them were hits.......yuvan is doing nuthin out-of-ordinary.......he is yet another MD but just bcos of IR factor, he is getting all these accolades....



Hey do you have any logic in your post?
what is the necessity for the media being scared of IR?
is IR politician? will he revenge them?
moreover Hindu, India Today are tamil media? :roll:
why you are not telling that the international people(cyprus award commity) are also scared of IR?(Best MD award in cyprus film festival) :banghead:
i think you are scared of Yuvan's success.
I can provide the details regarding this man. the same Maddy supports Yuvan firmly like Yuvan is in the League of ARR,IR.

guys please read this thread carefully.

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4914

athu eppadi maddy almost 1 year munnadiye, Yuvan has all the credentials, Now He is the ordinary MD. you listed the supporting points for yuvan. Now the whole media is praising Yuvan because the whole media is scared of IR. :rotfl:
why the transition maddy?
why?
because when yuvan comes to take over from ARR, you are unable to accept the fact(yuvan's take over), so You are blaming Yuvan.
Dont Act man.

You people can not hide Yuvan's success man.
from your posts i can say confidently that You are more biased towards ARR. :wink:
after this also, if you are maintain your policy(acting like Yuvan is the ordinary MD), then i can only pity on you. :huh:
Let us enjoy good music man. this is the yuvan's turn.

another fact is that if a person successful in bollywood only here some of the people accepting them as the talented guy.
IMHO, Eppavume HFMvida TFM oru padi melathan. because here only very excellent talented persons are coming.
you take IR or ARR or YSR or VS or HJ, these people always more talented then any film music people in india. (some exceptions like himesh). (IR periodukku apparam solren. enakku athukku munnadi theriyadhu.)

[MusicIsLife]

another fact is that if a person successful in bollywood only here some of the people accepting them as the talented guy.
IMHO, Eppavume HFMvida TFM oru padi melathan. because here only very excellent talented persons are coming.
you take IR or ARR or YSR or VS or HJ, these people always more talented then any film music people in india. (some exceptions like himesh). (IR periodukku apparam solren. enakku athukku munnadi theriyadhu.)

Vasanth2006/Music Lover,

I would not brand like that, it would be a disgrace if you mentioned this with stalwarts like RD Burman, Naushad, Lakshmikant Pyarelal and others!! HFM has grown technically better in visualizing the song than TFM and ARR is filling in the gaps at HFM anyways.

[MusicIsLife]

Nilavu,
it was my pick, now that you made me think, Chinna thayaval is also close to my heart, but the lyrics in uyirum neeyae is almost the best I have ever heard.

"Un Kannil vazhiyum oru thuli podum intha kadalum muzhgum thaaye" and the kicker "boomikku athanal nimmathi illai, sami thavithan, thayai padaithan"

PS:
People like songs for different reasons, probably i am more attached owing to the fact the Radhika (mothers character) had a similar disease like my mother did.

[MADDY]

Hey do you have any logic in your post?
what is the necessity for the media being scared of IR?
is IR politician? will he revenge them?
moreover Hindu, India Today are tamil media? :roll:
why you are not telling that the international people(cyprus award commity) are also scared of IR?(Best MD award in cyprus film festival) :banghead:
i think you are scared of Yuvan's success.
I can provide the details regarding this man. the same Maddy supports Yuvan firmly like Yuvan is in the League of ARR,IR.

guys please read this thread carefully.

http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4914

athu eppadi maddy almost 1 year munnadiye, Yuvan has all the credentials, Now He is the ordinary MD. you listed the supporting points for yuvan. Now the whole media is praising Yuvan because the whole media is scared of IR. :rotfl:
why the transition maddy?
why?
because when yuvan comes to take over from ARR, you are unable to accept the fact(yuvan's take over), so You are blaming Yuvan.
Dont Act man.

You people can not hide Yuvan's success man.
from your posts i can say confidently that You are more biased towards ARR. :wink:
after this also, if you are maintain your policy(acting like Yuvan is the ordinary MD), then i can only pity on you. :huh:
Let us enjoy good music man. this is the yuvan's turn.

i still maintain that YSR is the best of the lot.......he will definitely take over from ARR one day........but HJ is also gud, VS is also gud.........its bcos of IR's fans and IR-centric media, that YSR is getting undue advantage over other MDs in this race.......that's the major concern.......all these star ppl. try to promote their kids, rite from sonia gandhi to Bharathiraja.....i vehemently oppose it........i think this is the fate of India now...... :cry:

moreover, its just me and not any other ARR fan is raising this issue...ok......so dunt call "you ppl" when u answer me...... :D

coming back to the topic, i'm watching Mudhalvan rite now on KTV......heard that Rajini was supposed to do Mudhalvan.....if shankar-Rajni-ARR combo had worked that day, today Rajini cud have become CM....wat script, screenplay and perfect BGM.......if rajini wud have done it, Mudhalvan wud have become Sholay of Tamil Cinema

[MADDY]

Listening to Mudhalvan songs, i guess Shankar-ARR shuld go for a folk-based album just like mudhalvan......it is a very safe bet......just have one "hep" song like shakalaka baby and rest folk songs like kurukku chiruthavale, azhagana ratsatchi, Uppu karavadu.........FOLK songs rarely fail-proof is the illustrious career of IR......waddya guys think....

usage of sanskrit chantingsin BGM and the use of shlokas in the scene where Arjun gets bathed by milk is really commendable by ARR.......great innovation...... :D

[thamizhvaanan]

hi maddy, i saw mudhalvan yesterday on TV. I was really wondering how it wud have been if rajni had been in arjun's place. This film is tailor made for rajni! I hope shivaji is as good as this.

The BGM was awesome! ARR rocked in everyframe. But it is not sanskrit chantings in BG. those are inspired from a german musical work called Carmina Burana. You can sample them at amazon.com . That *"type"* of music is used almost everywhere. It reallly gave goosebumps :D

[umaramesh]

Hi
saw MUDHALVAN and I will rate AZHAGANA RATCHAESIYA top ten of ARR. What a beat. :clap: Out of the world when SPB sings KILLIYAE .
Nice BGM especially when ARR used above tune in different instruments(whenever ArJun meets his lover). Very melodious.

Ramesh

[dinesh2002]

just a suggestion....listen to Azhagana Ratchasiye in Hindi [ Chidhiya tu Hoti ].its the same tune & beat but listen to how ARR rearranged the vocal to make it sound different...and yes....the feel of the hindi song too is a TOTAL diff from the tamil 1...just give it a try!!!

[Nakeeran]

So this thread is slowing becoming another arena to glorify YSR :lol: vow. Links are being established to project him as future TFM king! If he comes up with something new , lets welcome BUT NOT UNDER IR'S SHADOWS / UMBRELLA.

Why noone has the largeheartedness to appreciate HJ or VS also ? Wonder :evil: :evil:

Are we losing any of our egos if we praise MDs other than YSR or KR ?

[Nakeeran]

On a quick running of this thread, now it appears like this :

IR/YSR/KR vs

ARR/HJ/VS/ Others

It only reflects short sighted approach and with closed mindset

SAD

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran
please ellorum ippo urupadiya amma sentiment, RK for mudhalvannu etho topic-kku yetha mathiri pesiraangale vittu vidungalaen

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran
please ellorum ippo urupadiya amma sentiment, RK for mudhalvannu etho topic-kku yetha mathiri pesiraangale vittu vidungalaen

manichidunga. Naan rendu naala jute vituten. Kalayil padithal oray YSR pugazpadal. adhan sonnen.
Amma sentimentu padalgal . Oho !
The first 3 songs comes to my mind immediately are :

1. Amma endru azaikadha
2. Kalayil dhinamum kan
3. Sakthi kodu ( thayum neyay thandhayum neeyay sentence )

Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered if you guys are talking about AMMA SENTIMENT.

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran
Actually it started with RK amma sentiment song, and just got digressed coz of what scale mentioned, then we reverted back to chinna thayaval from Dalapathy!!
the intent is to not just thread on Amma sentiment, but to stick atleast close to the topic and see RK + SUITED MD and highlight the various moods/emotions and songs/bgm

PS:
"Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered" analum ungalukku kusumbu thane, soka? just kidding, dont take it seriously

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran
Actually it started with RK amma sentiment song, and just got digressed coz of what scale mentioned, then we reverted back to chinna thayaval from Dalapathy!!
the intent is to not just thread on Amma sentiment, but to stick atleast close to the topic and see RK + SUITED MD and highlight the various moods/emotions and songs/bgm

PS:
"Wonder why MDs of yesteryears are not being considered" analum ungalukku kusumbu thane, soka? just kidding, dont take it seriously

Adhavadhu, endha sub-topic romba vasadhiyo , adhai eduthukondu kizi kizi endru kizipadhu ?
Needless, IR has a big list even on Amma sentiments . I suspect a smart move by some hardcore IR fan here to divert the topic to amma sentiment.

Eppadi ellarum ippadi judgemetn pass panreenga against ARR ?
Countless number of IR scores for RK and just 3 from ARR.
purely on arithmatical numbers , IR already has been ahead .
Naan solluvadhellam, ARRukkum konjam vaaipu kodungal. Pudhiya padhayai kaatuvar .

LETS HAVE AN UNBIASED OPINION ON ARR PLS.

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran,

Ippo enna sollavareenga? ethai sonnalum kutham kandu pidichukittu.

I accept ARR is the gr8est ever, nobody can give music other than ARR, if ARR was not born, there would not be word called "music", r u happy, does it satisfy an UNBIASED Opinion, whomever the actor is, RK, KH OR ANYBODY, the most suited is ARR. TFM is ruled by ARR music only, nobody can even think of better BGM for any movie, it will always be sub-par compared to ARR.
Podhuma?

idhula ivar neutral-am..

I am not going to reply to you any more.

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran,

Ippo enna sollavareenga? ethai sonnalum kutham kandu pidichukittu.

I accept ARR is the gr8est ever, nobody can give music other than ARR, if ARR was not born, there would not be word called "music", r u happy, does it satisfy an UNBIASED Opinion, whomever the actor is, RK, KH OR ANYBODY, the most suited is ARR. TFM is ruled by ARR music only, nobody can even think of better BGM for any movie, it will always be sub-par compared to ARR.
Podhuma?

idhula ivar neutral-am..

I am not going to reply to you any more.

Enna ippadi gusayuiteenga ? ennamo unga apiprayam dhaan ellarum edhir paakura madhiri buildup kodukareenga :lol:

The manner in which you have posted this itself is a clear reflection of how much negative thoughts you have inbuilt over Rehman .
Ok. lets not get too personal into it.

Eppa neenga Devavai kondu vandheengalo appavay theriyudhu unga tharam.

Ippo udanay 2 per serndhu kondu maraimugama thaakuveengalay . Ayyo Ayyo. indha complex eppa dhaan marapogudho sami !

Mikka nandri :evil: :wink:

[Renault]

Nakkeeran,

I am following this thread closely and I find the comment of MusicIsLife is correct. May be u need to comeback fresh with your thoughts.

People with different tastes participate here and we must appreciate and respect those. Hope u take this in the right spirit.

[rajasaranam]

MIL,

Neenga yaen unga tharatha thaazhthikireenga kandavanga kooda pesi :?
Well Amma sentiment songsla IR-a adichikka yaaravathu irukaangala enna :lol: The list is endless where he has composed for this particular emotion and I love 'Ammanna summa illada'.
RK kooda amma sentimentsnna 'Ammaendrazhaikaatha' 'Amma amma enthan aaruyirae' and 'Chinnathaayaval'.
'Chinnathaayaval thantha Raasavae' - I love not only for the music but it hails IR subtly :wink: Athu yaar padama irukkattum Rajini manirathnam or anybody else they cant stop hailing IR. :) the real superstar...That was a achievement nobody could ever dream of now or in the future. :thumbsup:

[MusicIsLife]

RS,
Thanks. there is too much of IR-RK combination when considering all the years they have been together/grown together. ARR had done only 3 movies now, but he has done pretty good job in Muthu, I still dont consider Baba/Padaiappa to be gr8 comparing ARR to Muthu. They are two different personalities, and two different types. But I feel Deva was more successful with Annamalai and Baba, it redefined RK superstar stardom (the credit also goes to Suresh Krissna) to bring back the glory days. This surely does not mean Deva is most suited (suited-Yes).

If you want we can discuss the difference in techniques I am more than welcome. I still find it amazing, the piece of B-to-the-A innovative rap style of ARR in Baba and I surely applaud it.

[rajasaranam]

If you want we can discuss the difference in techniques I am more than welcome. I still find it amazing, the piece of B-to-the-A innovative rap style of ARR in Baba and I surely applaud it.

MIL I think we have discussed about this in the old forum itself and we were not converging on it :) Rajini fans too didn't like ASAIK.
But speaking about mudhalvan being the script written for RK i think the movie and the BGM would have suited for RK's image and style.

[MusicIsLife]

Yes absolutely we have discussed in the old forum, I remember.
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[rajasaranam]

MIL,

Good that you remember that discussion :)
Blog :shock: Havent updated it for quiet sometime thanks for reminding me
DIG: hows your kutti sutti payyan :)
Pls see the thread on metallica influence

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran
Thanks for knowing my Tharam!! :!:

[MADDY]

MIL, wat Nakkeeran wanted was true unbiased prasie for ARR.......i guess no one is giving that......even ur praise for ARR seems to be "uppukku chappan" praises........just compare how we shower praise on IR......leave it man, i guess ARR fans are driven by a very different philosophy than u all....

coming back to topic -
Well Amma sentiment songsla IR-a adichikka yaaravathu irukaangala enna The list is endless where he has composed for this particular emotion and I love 'Ammanna summa illada'.

none can match upto lukka chuppi or kalayil dhinamum song......IR loses out to ARR on amma songs and patriotic songs......ARR is the perfect MD for patriotic songs and amma songs......

[Scale]

Mudhalvanukku :whistle:

If I am not wrong that milk bathing has sanskrit chants sure. The Chants in the mudhalvane song is different from this specific BGM.

Maddy,

In tenali while kamal was travelling in bus out of fear he touches the various gods symbols tied on his neck. Guess what, ARR used Blaaze counting "1,2,3,4" KKS-aah aah tamizhamma piece. Totally blew me off....

Does anyone have the Baba BGM "Everytime Rajni meets ManishaK". Cool One!

[Nakeeran]

Mudhalvanukku :whistle:

If I am not wrong that milk bathing has sanskrit chants sure. The Chants in the mudhalvane song is different from this specific BGM.

Maddy,

In tenali while kamal was travelling in bus out of fear he touches the various gods symbols tied on his neck. Guess what, ARR used Blaaze counting "1,2,3,4" KKS-aah aah tamizhamma piece. Totally blew me off....

Does anyone have the Baba BGM "Everytime Rajni meets ManishaK". Cool One!

Scale, IMO the thunderous BGM when RK meets Ramyakrishnan in the second half strikes me immediately when it comes to BGM of ARR

The one I distinctly remember in Dalapathy is the death bells ( SANGU ) whenever Amreshpuri is shown ! thats IR special :D

[MusicIsLife]

MIL, wat Nakkeeran wanted was true unbiased prasie for ARR.......i guess no one is giving that......even ur praise for ARR seems to be "uppukku chappan" praises

Maddy!

neengalumma? enakku en manasil pattadai sonnaen, ungalakku engae puriya pogiradhu. and also neenga sonnathukku udane disagreement koduthathu naan thaan!!

If you feel that "uppukku chappan" that is sad, coz we have been in this forum right from old times and you should know my posts by now, I dont need to praise just coz I have to do it.
I am a Music-Fan first who grew up with IR raising himself in the TFM (so I will surely have more to remember and associate myself with it). Other than that, I dont have anything to say.

Btw you should not expect forced opinions out of anyone, we are grown enough to respect others opinions.

You praising IR or not praising IR surely does not affect me. I just see if there is a value in the post and reply to them.

[Nakeeran]

MIL, wat Nakkeeran wanted was true unbiased prasie for ARR.......i guess no one is giving that......even ur praise for ARR seems to be "uppukku chappan" praises

Maddy!

neengalumma? enakku en manasil pattadai sonnaen, ungalakku engae puriya pogiradhu. and also neenga sonnathukku udane disagreement koduthathu naan thaan!!

If you feel that "uppukku chappan" that is sad, coz we have been in this forum right from old times and you should know my posts by now, I dont need to praise just coz I have to do it.
I am a Music-Fan first who grew up with IR raising himself in the TFM (so I will surely have more to remember and associate myself with it). Other than that, I dont have anything to say.

Btw you should not expect forced opinions out of anyone, we are grown enough to respect others opinions. naan pidicha muyalukku moonu kaalunnu sollikittae irundha athu time waste than.

You praising IR or not praising IR surely does not affect me. I just see if there is a value in the post and reply to them.

MIL,

whether you will be responding to my post or not, what I observe here is that BY BRINGING IN DEVA & APPRECIATING HIS WORK, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY, YOU ARE ONLY TRYING TO PROVE A POINT THAT EVEN DEVA DID BETTER WHEN COMPARED TO ARR ,
WHICH IRKS ME.
Whether you guys believe me or not, I am neutral in appreciating ARR's music as well though I am a IR fan ( not just by keeping his image as avatar )
BUT I AM NOT SEEING THE SAME PARAMETER BEING APPLIED WHEN IT COMES TO IDENTIFYING ARR'S TALENTS.
At one point of time, YOU ARE GOING TO CONCLUDE THAT DEVA IS THE BEST EVER MD FOR RAJINI.
I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED :?

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeeran
Thanks for all your imagination!! I dont want to reply to you or argue with you. You have the right to say your opinion and I have my right to justify what I say, sometimes question to a post just to see what was the basis.
Probably a good forum person will read through the post.

It is my right to bring in anybody I want as a matter of discussion, let us stay with answering the facts than scampering away from what is in hand. if you see LOGICALLY Deva did 3 movies (i guess) and ARR did 3 movies they had thier share of giving RK movies the feel the director wanted. Whether it is greater appeal to the audience or not is totally different aspects.

I have never said Deva is best suited, but somebody might feel otherwise, my opinion is not an yardstick with which the decision is made, it is just a consensus.

"YOU ARE GOING TO CONCLUDE THAT DEVA IS THE BEST EVER MD FOR RAJINI": Does it matter?

If you dont see the same parameter in identifying ARR talents, well I am sorry that is not my problem,then you expect forum people to say what you want to hear, that is a significant issue.

Maddy and I have been associated in this forum for quite sometime, our frequencies match quite well.

btw I accepted ARR is the gr8est and you are neutral, so why are you so bent upon bothering to get a reply from me.

I feel sorry that I am replying to your post!! while i could be listening to my Alathur Brothers, MKT and classical giants of carnatic vocal.

[MusicIsLife]

Scale,
Though this is not related to the topic

<dgn>
Since you mentioned Mudhalvan, i wanted to tell you about En Veetu Thottathil song,the vocals is based on raaga senjurutti, but the music is not (i guess it was shankarabharanam or kamboji, can ne body rectify that). that was really innovative
FYI famous song in raaga Senjurutti is: Nada vindhu kaladhi namo namo
</dgn>

[app_engine]

Stars with great screen presence (like MGR/Shivaji/Rajini/Kamal) really do not need a SPECIFIC MD to score for their projects...especially after they obtained their biggie status...any above-average (or below average with good copying skills) MD will do...even though they were definitely aided by great compositions of hardworking / brilliant kavingar-MD combo during their upcoming years...(it's easily possible to list mega hits of these stars with multiple MDs...it's just a question of who was available, suitable to the script / budget / producer etc and may be who was at the top at the point of time...)

OTOH, extremely talented MD's like MSV-IR-ARR do not need stars to piggy back...they can make mega musicals with start-up actors, directors, production houses etc.

At present, any average MD can score for a Rajini movie (even ctrl-c/ctrl-v from a decent source) and make a big hit album...no big deal...Proof? CM...

[MADDY]

Maddy!

neengalumma? enakku en manasil pattadai sonnaen, ungalakku engae puriya pogiradhu. and also neenga sonnathukku udane disagreement koduthathu naan thaan!!

I am a Music-Fan first who grew up with IR raising himself in the TFM (so I will surely have more to remember and associate myself with it). Other than that, I dont have anything to say.

Btw you should not expect forced opinions out of anyone, we are grown enough to respect others opinions. naan pidicha muyalukku moonu kaalunnu sollikittae irundha athu time waste than.

hey MIL, i know u r one neutral man from our old association......thats y it irks me more when u have continously heaped praise on IR and really ignored ARR here......if RS or sanjeevi do this, we wud understand but not u sir.....

adhe eppadi naan pudicha muyalukku moonu kaala?? MIL sir, heart in heart u know who this statement shuld be directed to, u think i deserve this statement ??? :lol: vidunga sir, i saw ur post on RDB BGM in the other thread, felt better...... :wink:

app_engine, i guess urs was the most relevant post in this thread for the past 7 days or so :lol: ........very very gud point......then y do ppl. like MGR,RK always go for the best in music too.....i heard MGR used to sit in tune discussions as well.......is it that they want everything best in their movies???

[umaramesh]

Good post from APP. It is fact that both kamal and rajini film songs became super hit without IR/ARR. No need to give list as everyone knows it. point is IR scored most number movies and gave mega hits and Rajini film songs able to maintain same trend before and after IR. Sameway even MGR/Shivaji gave most number of films to MSV even though other MD's able to give super hits for their movies.

Net net they prefered best out of the lot because they want super hit plus quality music. Anyone can give hit songs(as told by APP just cut and paste) but they cannot create trend and projection which extremely talented MD able to do for particular star.

Giving some example where qualtiy MD able to create waves with their imagaination and become trend set for particular star.

POOTHUVAGA EAA MANASU THANGAM-Trend set for Rajini.
ILLAMAI ETHU ETHU- for kamal.
POONAL POOGATTUM POODA/ENGAE NIMMADHI- for Shivaji
NAAN ANNAI ITTAL/ATHU ANTHA PARAVAI- for MGR

URVASI URVASI/ MOOKALA- for Prabhu deva
Prabhu deva got star image after these songs .

I would like to repeat again I am not degrading or commenting anything against other music directors but just telling that these songs able to stand over the years while compare to others.

regards
ramesh

[Nakeeran]

Stars with great screen presence (like MGR/Shivaji/Rajini/Kamal) really do not need a SPECIFIC MD to score for their projects...especially after they obtained their biggie status...any above-average (or below average with good copying skills) MD will do...even though they were definitely aided by great compositions of hardworking / brilliant kavingar-MD combo during their upcoming years...(it's easily possible to list mega hits of these stars with multiple MDs...it's just a question of who was available, suitable to the script / budget / producer etc and may be who was at the top at the point of time...)

OTOH, extremely talented MD's like MSV-IR-ARR do not need stars to piggy back...they can make mega musicals with start-up actors, directors, production houses etc.

At present, any average MD can score for a Rajini movie (even ctrl-c/ctrl-v from a decent source) and make a big hit album...no big deal...Proof? CM...

At last I could see someone with a very clear thinking , came with an neutral opinion. You have brought sanity to this thread :clap:
true. :thumbsup:

[Nakeeran]

Scale,
Though this is not related to the topic

<dgn>
Since you mentioned Mudhalvan, i wanted to tell you about En Veetu Thottathil song,the vocals is based on raaga senjurutti, but the music is not (i guess it was shankarabharanam or kamboji, can ne body rectify that). that was really innovative
FYI famous song in raaga Senjurutti is: Nada vindhu kaladhi namo namo
</dgn>

The vocals ofcourse is Senjuruti
the music obviously is not kamboji . You can hear kamboji through Kuzaloodhi manamellam kollai konda pinbum from Oothukadu VS

[buggle]

Scale,
1. I heard similar incidents happened when Bala and Fazil tried to work with ARR..
Loser...try something different

Who appointed you as a referee here? :roll: Like our self-acclaimed Master? :? Overly Matured?

Doesnt your first line shows ur disturbed ,unexplainable state & clearly signifies how poor are you in judgement (Loser...)

Ok Challenge :thumbsup:, Why restric only Bala/Fazil take from Annakili to Madhu give me various situation/diff genres (10) which ARR couldnt have composed. IF uyire uyire is close(what Master said) where is "april meyile" when compared to "Girlfriend". For (ex.) If IR has scored a song for amma (mannan) ARR have always scored an equivalent/better song like KM title song mothers expression to her adopted child in a conservative form.... :notworthy: Another Masterpiece is Udhaya Udhaya.. Seek Masters help :lol:

Be prepared: My list will be a severe attack mostly on various genres. It will show Rahman's major involvement & how he rejected outrightly every damn situation composing trend & instead changed the whole situation with an amazing presentation. Thats the major reason why most of his songs/films are super hits.

Recent one what I saw from IR is "Mr Bharath" pacha molaga kaaramillai maamanaarukku moolai :lol: illai. :banghead:

Yes scale, i am a overly matured IR fan not like you..a cheap rated ARR fan who keep posting information without any relevant source..
No point in replying to u anymore, i quit..u enjoy all the privileges to blabber whatever u want here..

[MusicIsLife]

adhe eppadi naan pudicha muyalukku moonu kaala?? MIL sir, heart in heart u know who this statement shuld be directed to, u think i deserve this statement ???

Maddy
It was not against you, sorry if I had offended you. and I removed it from my post!!

[MusicIsLife]

<dgn>
If somebody can tell what was the raaga base for the music in En-veetu thottathil, i was guessing it was not kambhoji (Sada nanda thandavam by Papanasam Sivan set to Kambhoji and Adi taal) will give more to understand, but the Music does not follow senjurutti, it is something different, it was very close to a Mela-kartha raagam either Shankarabaranam or bases of it.
</dgn>

[Nakeeran]

<dgn>
If somebody can tell what was the raaga base for the music in En-veetu thottathil, i was guessing it was not kambhoji (Sada nanda thandavam by Papanasam Sivan set to Kambhoji and Adi taal) will give more to understand, but the Music does not follow senjurutti, it is something different, it was very close to a Mela-kartha raagam either Shankarabaranam or bases of it.
</dgn>

Digression :

Kuyilosayay vellum ( Mannippu by SMS ) I think kambodhi

Solla solla inikkudhada muruga ( kandan karunai ).

Is it Sankarabaranam ?

Digression ends

[Scale]

<Dign>
buggle,
Paint the same in FH Header not to post anything without relevant source. (MR begged IR?) Thanks..
thevai illama supportukku vandha ippadi thaan. Golisoda :tok:
<Eng Dign>

<Dign>

Scale,
Though this is not related to the topic

:roll:
Looks you are really serious to chop digressions. :thumbsup: :keep up:
<End Dign>

[MusicIsLife]

Scale,
My intent was not to get away from the discussion, but sometimes, i tried to get excited when a post just makes me think about other things that were really good and relevant.

[Nakeeran]

Anbargalay

sandai poduvadhai vittu vittu, topic pakkam marubadiyum povoma ?
I wish to shun Amma songs here as IR already has a huge list :wink:

[great]

Nakkeeran,
People with different tastes participate here and we must appreciate and respect those. Hope u take this in the right spirit.


:clap: good point Renault !!!
Nakeerar anne, inga enna Arr-a full flowla support panreengala 8-)

oh this thread influence you to start who is the best MD for KH

vazgha nakeerar !!!

[njv]

oh this thread influence you to start who is the best MD for KH


Seems to be the case. The next topic is going to be even more interesting. Who is the best MD for MGR
1. ARR
2. HJ
3. YSR
:lol:

[selvakumar]

:rotfl: @ NJV.

Let me give the next thread title.

"WHICH MD IS SUITABLE FOR DHANUSH"

1) YSR
2) Deva
3) etc

If we say that it is YSR, then we will become narrow minded as per him.. :rotfl:

coz

DEVA has given some gems to dhanush :lol:

[Shivaji]

illayaraja is the best music director for rajini of course.cannot believe this thread has so many pages of argument on other music directors.it proves that this hub is full of young people in that case,that either dont know much about illayaraja,or refuse to accept his masterpieces with rajini.his list with rajini is too long to even mention.starts all the way from 1977 (buvana oru ?) to 1995 (veera).whereas other music directors are just a handful of movies with rajini except ms visvanathan

[MusicIsLife]

Shivaji
We might understand by work history and numerous collaboration, IR suits the best for RK. But I think if you take into consideration, IR is not doing stereotypical big-star, heroism or anything related to that kind of genre movies, and also knowing the combo of directors style of doing movies, I think ARR also suits RK, much better than other MD's who have worked with RK. But I might be wrong If I say other MD's did not bring their own stamp and heightened RK's heriosm and startdom in a very public friendly manner (especially Deva).

[Nakeeran]

Shivaji
We might understand by work history and numerous collaboration, IR suits the best for RK. But I think if you take into consideration, IR is not doing stereotypical big-star, heroism or anything related to that kind of genre movies, and also knowing the combo of directors style of doing movies, I think ARR also suits RK, much better than other MD's who have worked with RK. But I might be wrong If I say other MD's did not bring their own stamp and heightened RK's heriosm and startdom in a very public friendly manner (especially Deva).

Oru madhiriya Devavai marubadiyum ulaara kondu vareenga :D

Unmai, Deva did compose some TYPICAL RK STYLE SONGS but when it comes to overall analysis CONSIDERING THE PAST RECORD ONLY, ITS IR
but I still hold firm for ARR as he was given just 3 movies AND SHIVAJI IS ABOUT TO COME :D

[MADDY]

it proves that this hub is full of young people in that case,that either dont know much about illayaraja,or refuse to accept his masterpieces with rajini.

shivaji, this also shows that this thread contains highly prejudiced ppl. who do not want to accept other MDs contribution at all.......if u think IR is the best, then y did thalaivar opt ARR??? think again man, ARR is the best proposition for rajini now...

[rashid2raj]

illayaraja is the best music director for rajini of course.cannot believe this thread has so many pages of argument on other music directors.it proves that this hub is full of young people in that case,that either dont know much about illayaraja,or refuse to accept his masterpieces with rajini.his list with rajini is too long to even mention.starts all the way from 1977 (buvana oru ?) to 1995 (veera).whereas other music directors are just a handful of movies with rajini except ms visvanathan

If Rajinikanth thought that IR is the best musicdirector for his movies, then why ain't IR not in his movies anymore ???

[thamizhvaanan]

yesterday i came across "kadhalin dheepam onru" song. wat a beautiful song!!! speaking not of heroism, IR has given lots of beautiful melodies too for rajni song. I guess those were during the stage when rajni wasnt as much of a superstar as he is today. But in ARR's case it is different. He always had to work with a superstar alone.
IMO rajni's movie had better song with IR than kamal's movies in teh 80's :roll: I am stating this out of my poor memory and the recent old rajni songs i came across :P

[S.Balaji]

yesterday i came across "kadhalin dheepam onru" song. wat a beautiful song!!! speaking not of heroism, IR has given lots of beautiful melodies too for rajni song. I guess those were during the stage when rajni wasnt as much of a superstar as he is today. But in ARR's case it is different. He always had to work with a superstar alone.
IMO rajni's movie had better song with IR than kamal's movies in teh 80's :roll: I am stating this out of my poor memory and the recent old rajni songs i came across :P

Long before this, IR already had given another gem . Kanmaniye kadhal enbadhu karpanayo kaviyamo - 6 to 60 varai

[nilavupriyan]

illayaraja is the best music director for rajini of course.cannot believe this thread has so many pages of argument on other music directors.it proves that this hub is full of young people in that case,that either dont know much about illayaraja,or refuse to accept his masterpieces with rajini.his list with rajini is too long to even mention.starts all the way from 1977 (buvana oru ?) to 1995 (veera).whereas other music directors are just a handful of movies with rajini except ms visvanathan

If Rajinikanth thought that IR is the best musicdirector for his movies, then why ain't IR not in his movies anymore ???

may be rajni wants somethin different!..u know sundar c ravikumar and suresh krishna do rajni movies now..but its balachander and mahendran who broght out the best of rajni!(i wonder why dont the heroes opt for mahendran nowadays..such a stylish director)..dont suggest something by presnt day situation..suggest by track recod

ilayaraja is not needed for a complete masala nowadays..he must have got borde of it!..even kamal who is all along with ilayaraja opts ilayaraja only for big projects like heyy raam and virumaandi..not for pks or vasool !

[nilavupriyan]

it proves that this hub is full of young people in that case,that either dont know much about illayaraja,or refuse to accept his masterpieces with rajini.

shivaji, this also shows that this thread contains highly prejudiced ppl. who do not want to accept other MDs contribution at all.......if u think IR is the best, then y did thalaivar opt ARR??? think again man, ARR is the best proposition for rajini now...

after muthu rajni went for deva..why??deva better than arr...? :lol:

[svaisn]

One should accept the fact that IR was the best for RK, KH, Murali,Satyaraj., Mohan, karthik, sivakumar, suresh, vijayakanth and all 70/80 heros...............


no second opinion on this............

Now the relation is more between directors and MDs than actors...

[MusicIsLife]

Nakeerare,
ithai highlight pannama vittuteengale!!

"IR is not doing stereotypical big-star, heroism or anything related to that kind of genre movies, and also knowing the combo of directors style of doing movies, I think ARR also suits RK, much better than other MD's who have worked with RK"

Etho ungalakku pidichada mathram highlight panreengale.. very good.

btw I believe Shankar and ARR will be a much better combo than KS Ravikumar and ARR or Suresh Krissna and ARR.

[alwarpet_andavan]

ilayaraja is not needed for a complete masala nowadays..he must have got borde of it!..even kamal who is all along with ilayaraja opts ilayaraja only for big projects like heyy raam and virumaandi..not for pks or vasool !

1) KH doesn't ALWAYS choose his music director. He chooses IR for his home productions, and generally he wouldnt care who the MD is for movies like PKS, VR MBBS etc...
Also, with any actor, there are also factors like producer/director's choice, dates, etc...
2) About Rajini choosing ARR: Mani Ratnam is shooting Guru with Rajeev Menon. Does it mean he thinks RM is THE BEST cinematographer? Not necessarily. He will do Aamir Khan's film with PC, and o on... At this point in time, Rajini may feel ARR would be the most apt MD for his movies, and even in that case, if im not wrong, ARR's selection would have been more of Shankar's choice.
Just because someone chooses a particular MD now it doesnt necessarily make that MD the best ever for that someone. Its an utterly illogical argument, and not surprisingly, so typical of the hubber who put it forth :rotfl:

Please also dont forget that the "genre" of a movie is also important.
The topic is not about who is best for Rajini NOW, it is who is Rajini's best MD ever.....

[MADDY]

About Rajini choosing ARR: Mani Ratnam is shooting Guru with Rajeev Menon. Does it mean he thinks RM is THE BEST cinematographer? Not necessarily. He will do Aamir Khan's film with PC, and o on... At this point in time, Rajini may feel ARR would be the most apt MD for his movies, and even in that case, if im not wrong, ARR's selection would have been more of Shankar's choice

sir, the last movie that rajni had IR was in 1995, and its been 11 yrs since then......do u mean to say that Rajni did not feel IR as apt for any movie during these 11 yrs??? if it is yes, then i'm afraid that rajini must be thinking on "IR is no-more apt" lines which has been the thought process with Mani,BR,KB as well......


The topic is not about who is best for Rajini NOW, it is who is Rajini's best MD ever.....

that's a pretty careless assumption that u have made here sir....who told u that this is for the "best-ever" and not "best suited for now"??? the thread creator - en arumai thambi ramakrishna has not mentioned this.......i dunno from where u got this assumption going??

moreover, ur avatar itself shows how much u love rajini :lol: ......

[alwarpet_andavan]

hayyo hayyo.... :lol:

unga aatrala nenacha pullarikkidhu... eppadi idhellam????

[alwarpet_andavan]

moreover, ur avatar itself shows how much u love rajini :lol: ......

So???

[Nakeeran]

Alwarpet Andavar

Now you are displaying how CHEAP MINDSET YOU HAVE ! So you didnt have any other photo for your avatar .

I have seen so many kamal fans CULTURED but

DISGUSTING DISGUSTING TO SEE ANOTHER KAMAL FAN BEHAVING SO CHEAP

MIGAVUM VAKRAMANA ENNANGAL

I CAN ONLY PITY YOUR CORRUPT MINDSET

[alwarpet_andavan]

:lol:

[selvakumar]

:rotfl:

Who is telling this :?:

It is like "DEVIL PREACHING BIBLE"

P.S: If someone says that I referred them as DEVIL and quote that in the future also, then I won't worry about that devil :rotfl:

[Sanjeevi]

Nakeerare you are hilarious :rotfl:

[bingleguy]

Andavare ! thedi kandu pudichirukkeenga polirukku avatar a :shock:

[alwarpet_andavan]

Selva,
We need people like NakkeeraR and Maddy to keep the hub like what it is... :)
Please don't discourage him....

Nakkeerar,
Is that all or do you have some problem with the color of shirt i'm wearing now?????? :?

P.S: Why is this avatar offensive??? The film is a classic and the two actors featured in the pic had terrific roles and performances in the film. Moreover, it is symbolic of something! Above all, how does it matter to the topic of discussion??????

[Nakeeran]

Nakeerare you are hilarious :rotfl:

Joke adikuradhula neenga dhaan mannan nu kelvi patten Anne

Neenga first appuram en arumai sagodharar anan irukiraar.
avaru thaanga mudiyadha joke adipaar.
pudhiya vilakkangal kodupaar :lol: :lol:

[Nakeeran]

Selva,
We need people like NakkeeraR and Maddy to keep the hub like what it is... :)
Please don't discourage him....

Nakkeerar,
Is that all or do you have some problem with the color of shirt i'm wearing now?????? :?

P.S: Why is this avatar offensive??? The film is a classic and the two actors featured in the pic had terrific roles and performances in the film. Moreover, it is symbolic of something! Above all, how does it matter to the topic of discussion??????

Andavare,

there are better scenes available in this movie to keep as avatar :lol:

This reflects YOUR CHEAP TASTE :lol: :lol: :evil: :twisted:

[alwarpet_andavan]

The digression has gone too far but i can't resist :)

Nakkeerare,
Neengale en avatar-a choose pannidungalen???? Appadiye, nan lunch-ku enna saapidanum-nu sollidunga.

Please mind your blessed business and get on with the topic, will ya??

Coming back to the topic, IMO its [for all time Rajini combo]
1. IR
2. Deva
3. ARR
4. Vidhyasagar

[but at the moment i guess i would put ARR on top]....

[Sanjeevi]

Nakeerare you are hilarious :rotfl:

Joke adikuradhula neenga dhaan mannan nu kelvi patten Anne

Neenga first appuram en arumai sagodharar anan irukiraar.
avaru thaanga mudiyadha joke adipaar.
pudhiya vilakkangal kodupaar :lol: :lol:

Naan joke adikkanumna oru களம் venumgna. But ethuvume illai enralum virtual tennis court create panni athil football vilaiyadi kalakka unna vitta yaru irukka :lol:

[alwarpet_andavan]

Naan joke adikkanumna oru களம் venumgna. But ethuvume illai enralum virtual tennis court create panni athil football vilaiyadi kalakka unna vitta yaru irukka :lol:
<Dig>
:rotfl: :lol2:

Sanjeevi,
Machi machi too machi........

Expect him to hit back with a LONG meaningless post with "sagodharar", "annan","thambi" blah blah.....

</Dig>

[Nakeeran]

The digression has gone too far but i can't resist :)

Nakkeerare,
Neengale en avatar-a choose pannidungalen???? Appadiye, nan lunch-ku enna saapidanum-nu sollidunga.

Please mind your blessed business and get on with the topic, will ya??

Coming back to the topic, IMO its [for all time Rajini combo]
1. IR
2. Deva
3. ARR
4. Vidhyasagar

[but at the moment i guess i would put ARR on top]....

Good that you have applied better sense here. True, today, I dont think there is someone who can do better than ARR for RK considering the fact that IR has lost his old magical touch of the 80s.
but if you want a remix and get instant hits then its Deva :lol: :lol:

[selvakumar]

Selva,
We need people like NakkeeraR and Maddy to keep the hub like what it is... :)
Please don't discourage him....


:lol:
I won't discourage them from here onwards :rotfl: But A_A, that one was truly hilarious.. :lol: Not sure how they(he) chose you. But the highlighted one does make some sense... Right :?: or We are the only people who think so along with the likes of ALIEN @ Jana :)

[Nakeeran]

Selva,
We need people like NakkeeraR and Maddy to keep the hub like what it is... :)
Please don't discourage him....


:lol:
I won't discourage them from here onwards :rotfl: But A_A, that one was truly hilarious.. :lol: Not sure how they(he) chose you. But the highlighted one does make some sense... Right :?: or We are the only people who think so along with the likes of ALIEN @ Jana :)

Selva anne,

Nagaichuvaiukku oru ellaye neenga dhan anne :lol:
Neenga andha kamal threadla adicha nagaichuvai ninaicha innum sirippu varudhu :lol: :lol: adhuvum MSV patri romba arumaya kodutheenga anne :wink: adharku naan kodutha vilakathirku piragu neenga neeeeendaaaa naalaaga ESCAPU :lol: :lol:

Pavam anne neenga. Ungalukku endru sila threads irukku. group irukku ange perarasu seyunga anne :wink:

Isai patri theriyamal yen anne ethavadhu post panuveenga . udanay kadi paduveenga . Kanaama poiduveenga :lol:

[Nakeeran]

Lets talk reality today.

Can IR reproduce the roaring Podhuvaga en manasu thangam today ? I wonder :cry:

No wonder RK chose other MDs & the selection of ARR was expected