vraghavan26
11th December 2004, 09:18 PM
[tscii:4d1d678b92]Breakthrough into the Mysteries of Indian Civilization
The ancient civilization of this country has a record of 5000-7000
years of archeology in the form of epigraphs, artifacts, and
monuments Etc. It also has tradition and belief running to timeless
past. Literature Record dating to 3000 years at least in Two
languages that is Sanskrit and Tamil. Myths of time immemorial and
Oral tradition apart.
This country has been the land of confluence of various forces the
Gods, Demons etc. This country has also been the pioneer of
civilization, of knowledge, of Gurus, of Incarnations, a way of life
on earth, a path finder.
Such a country has also been banned by influence of feudalism and
its values and isolation of common man and oppression against him.
Seeds of such a dichotomy were sowed in early Sanskrit writings
which language had been appropriated by the elite the ruling class
who were grouped as Arya (Nobles) Though they do not form a race
during the initial stages they consolidated slowly during the
medieval period.
The distortion created by the varna- ashrama dharma with varied
interpretation had been the root cause hate in the current day
society.
This apart the story of Indian civilization takes us to the Indus
valley which is the first known settlement thus far though more
explorations are revealing settlements across the subcontinent
during a period earlier to this. A complete biography of this
civilization could be written but for the mystery of the script that
reveals it.Early attempts to reveal it pointed to Dravidian
settlements though this had been contested right through by Aryan
lobby. The missing link continues to be an area of distortion and
exploitation by various interested group who would like to
appropriate the civilization. While the entire Sanskrit literature
is abound by Dichotomy of Indian culture reflecting dominance of one
over the other efforts are on in pioneering works of Dr.Loganathan
to set things right.
The discovery of Sumerian as Archaic Tamil is a breakthrough in this
direction Efforts are also on to unravel the Indus script as Proto-
Tamil. A new ground has been laid in retrieving Sanskrit into its
base Tamil. It is being concluded that it is only a stream of Tamil.
Let us now begin with realising Sumerian as Archaic Tamil:
Quote
[The more he knows about either, the better. But even after lesson
five of
"Teach yourself Sumerian", an experienced linguist will already be
able to
discern the type of language, whether it has an ergative sentence
structure
(Sumerian yes, Tamil no), whether it is flexive or agglutinative or
isolative, etc. etc. So when the professor of Sumerian at my Alma
Mater
dismissed the Dravidian connection, I know his knowledge of Dravidian
doesn't match his knowledge of Sumerian, yet I wouldn't dismiss his
opinion
as entirely uninformed.-By Dr.Loganathan.]
Here we have tried to retrive …¤§ÁâÂý(Sumerian)suruppak neri(code)
into Tamil:
1. [u] ri-a u sud-ra ri-a ( In those distant days, in those far
remote days)
2. gi ri-a gi bad-du ri-a ( In those nights, in those far-away
nights)
3. mu ri-a mu sud-ra ri-a ( In those years, in those far remote
years)
4. u-ba gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am ( In those
days, the intelligent one, who made the elaborate words, who knew
the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer .
5.Suruppak gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am (
Suruppak - the inelligent one, who made the elaborate words , who
knew the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer
"cuudu"chudar=the primordial ray.
2.þâ¨Á ÀñΨÁ þâ =irul soozhndha ap pandaiya kawlam.
1. °÷ ±Ã¢Â °÷ ͼ÷ ±Ã¢Â=oor vilangiya ath thol kawlaththil.
3.㧾¡÷ «Ã¢Â ãРͼ÷ «Ã¢Â =moothor arindha am mudhal kawlam.
4.ÝÕÀ¡ìÌ §¸¡û¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =ÍÕÀ¡ìÌ
þð¼ §¸¡û
«Åý ÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ.§¸¡û=code laid down by
suruppak with
extraordinary brillianceÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ lived in
sumeria
5.°÷ §¸¡û ¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =the
intelligent
one who divised the code lived in sumer.
Gestu can be §¸¡û=«¸Šò=«¸ì§¸¡û ÅÌòÐ
nig.nam kal-kal-en nig-e me-kal-kal ( You appreciate something,
it appreciates you).¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ
Ta.¿¡õ ¿ø ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ
repetition of words like kal-kal,nil-nil as reverberating sounds
either to stress a point or to strech a meaning is even today found
in pinglish(nigerian english)down-down means far down.go-go means go
fast right now.
One must keep in mind that @ the time sumerian tablet were written
there must not have been grammar limitation or that the tablets
followed colloquial slangs.here kal should be interpreted as
kalvi ,gnyan,kal -kal is to stress a point that we should be abreast
with information on our surrounding to know the truth. i think this
interpretation could be accomodated linguistically.
This duplication of words occurs in sanskrit sloka which says
rogawn mochaya mochaya
awyur vardhaya vardhaya
Ta/ͦÁâ«ý:. nikaznam naa-kal jii kukuuyidu.
¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú¨Å ¸ü¸¡Å¢Êý ¯ûÇõ ÌÕ¸¢Îõ
jii might have existed earlier in tamil now avilable in sanskrit.
tamu.moo kan.Gim iGi. Kan.kan ( My son, your eyes should be
brilliant like the sun).
¾õ ãì¸ñ þ¨Á ¸½ø̸=let thy vision throw radiance of the sun
he-su-he-za-a nanna li-bi-in-du-ga za-a-akam bi-in-du-ga
That one has not recited as "Known! Be it Known!" of Nanna , that
one has recited as a "Tis Thine!"
²Í ²ÍÅ ¿ýÉ¡ þÄ¢ À£Â¢ý àì¸, ƒ¡«¸õ À£Â¢ý àì¸ (this could be-§¸Ù
(ûÅ¢)-
§¸Ç¡ ¿ý(ÉÄ¡)È¡ö þÕôÀ¢ýê¸ ¯û «¸õ (þÕ)À¢ýê¸. By questioning
to the
deeper consciousness and acting acccordingly one purifies ones soul.
124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am
That you are broad as the earth -- be it known!
¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu-
nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ
an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am
That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known!
Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this
vast
expanse queried be it known
135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du
Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury!
¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢
÷Ù¸ «õÎ
(ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ.
123. an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am
That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known!
Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this
vast
expanse queried be it known
124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am
That you are broad as the earth -- be it known!
¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu-
nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ
125. ki-bala-gul-gul-lu-za he-zu-am
That you devastate the rebellious land- be it know !
¸£úÅÄ ¦¸¡ø¦¸¡øÖ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! (þì(your/its) ÀÄÌ-{ÅøÄÌ}
(strength) ¯ûÌ
¯û(from the innermost) ¯Æ(plough)
Derive your strength from the innermost.
125a kur-ra gu-de-za he-zu-am
That you roar at the land - be it known!
ÌýÈ Ü¢§¼ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! =ÌüÈ ÜÊÆ(Üʼ)you will bounce back.
135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du
Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury!
¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢
÷Ù¸(Á¢
Ãé¸) «õÎ(ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ.
24. uLukaL eenliillee aal siiyimma
¯Ù¸û ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ¬ø º£õÁ («Æ¢¨Á)
25. iin-anna saaGki paartta utu-eekaL
®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) º¡í¸¢(¦ºö¨¸ À¡÷ò¾ )¯Ð²¸û ¯Ð(¯Â÷ó¾-ãÐÅ÷)
§†¸ø(§¸Ùí¸û)
26. niitaah kaaLka uunuta munsiiyee
¿£¾:(¿¢ò¾õ) ¸¡û¸(¸¡ø¸û) °Ûò¾(°ÛÕ¸-þÃò¾õ ¯Õ¸-¦Åö¢ø¸¡Â)
Óýº£§Â
27. il iisakkunRa kiishnee edu
þø ®ŠÌýÈ(®Æ-ÌüÈõ)þøÄÃ(house) ÌüÈõ ¸£Š§É ±Î (¸£§Æ ¿£Îõ)¦ÅÇ¢§Â
(society) ¦¾¡¼Õõ.
28. tamu uurunakiinee kuuv mun.iduvee
¾Ó °ÕÉ츢§É(°÷ þÉì(¾¢÷)¦¸É) Ü Óý¢§¼ (ÜÅ¢ Өâ¼)
29. Kootiyum eeNliille emmana sii
§¸¡¾¢Ôõ(ÌÊÔõ) ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ±õÁÉ º£ {ÁÉ ¬Æ(ò¾¢Öõ)}-
ÌÊ «¨ÁôÀÐ ±ý ÁÉ ¬Æò¾¢Öõ þø¨Ä.
30. Ninmoo iin-anna aataavumun. tamuzi
¿¢ý§Á¡(¿¢ý Óý) ®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) ¬¾¡×Óý(¬¾(†)Ã(Ó)×õ ¾Óƒ¢
(¯ñÎõ °Æ¢)
Now it is getting proved that that the base of sanskrit is Tamil:
Let us see this by my retrivals:
The word sanskrit should be splitted as sa-krit and read as ha-
thirutha.For all the manipulation of the consonants and creation of
four order including for sa-sa,sha,shah,ha are with the help of ha
and it may be the corruption of "ha-thiruththam " that it became to
be called as sanskrit.Sanskrit is Tamizhin Ha-thiruththam
etymologically it could be
hathiruth-hathrith-sathrith-sanskrith.ºÁ÷ôÀ¡Á¢,¬Å¡†Â¡Á¢=þ¨¾ ¾Á¢Æ¢ø
Á£ðÌõ ¦À¡-ØÐ=¡§Á §º÷§Àý=ºÁ÷ôÀ+¡Á¢,
¡§ÁÅ¡¸(¬Ì¸)¡Á¢+¬Å¡†,±ýÈ¡¸¢ÃÐ.
The first verse in rgkrit tamil retrieved:
«ì¿¢õ ®§¼ ҧḢ¾õ.
¿¢õretained still in kannada(¿¢ý) «¸õ(¯ûÇõ-internal fire) ®§¼
(equivelance)þðÎ(ignite)purohit=À¡÷¸¼õ(vast expanse)
lexically
pawrkadam/parkadam/porkadam/porkitham/porhitham/purhitham/purohitam.
ˆýŠ §¾Åõ ÕòÅ¢ƒõ §†¡¾¡Ãõ ÃòÉ ¾¡¾Áõ
±ýÛ¨¼Â §¾¨Å ¯Â÷Å¢¼õ ,§¸¡÷¾¡Õõ(§¸¡Ã¢ÂÅÕõ)þÃò¾¢É ¾¡ø-¾Á÷.
«ìÉ¢(¿¢ý «¸õ)â÷†¢(¦À¡í¸¢) {â÷}-ÅåÀ¢÷(ÅÕÁ¢ý) Õ„¢À¢÷(¯Õ¸¢-À¢ý)
®¼§Â¡(®Î¨¼Â) ᾨÉ÷ ¯¾(¯ó¾¨É)
…§¾(º¡÷óÐ/§º÷òÐ) Å¡õÉ(Å¡Éõ) ²†Åì(±ØÅ/²üÈ¢Â)-„¾¢(¸¾¢).
---«ìɢɡ(¿¢ý «¸õ) âÁ(þ¨È¨Á)‰ÛÅò(¸ÛÅò/«ÏÌÅÐ), §À¡„õ
(§À¡¸õ/¦ÀÕÌõ)( ²Å(²Å¢)
¾¢§Å¾¢§Å(¾¢¨¸ ¾¢¨¸)(astonishment)(unlimited)
„…õ(¡¸Çõ/¡í¸Ùõ)Å£ÃÅò¾Áõ(¾£Å£÷ÅÇ÷¾õ ¬õ)/(¾£Â¢÷ ÅÇ÷¾¨Á ¬õ).
«ì§É(¿¢ý «¸õ) Âõ(±õ) ˆýÂõ(²üÈõ/±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÅÃõ(«òÐÅÃõ-¬üÚ
ÅÃõÒ) Å¢‰Å¾†(Å¢¨ÇŨ¾) ÀââÃ(«)…¢(À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢)
… þ¾(±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾) §¾§Å„¤(§¾¨ÅìÌ) ¸îº¾¢(¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ).
¿¢ý «¸õ ±õ ²üÈõ(±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÐÅÃõ(-¬üÚ ÅÃõÒ) («¾É¡ø)Å¢¨ÇŨ¾
À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢
±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾ §¾¨ÅìÌ ¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ(¯¸ó¾Ð).
---«ìÉ¢÷(¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢) §†¡¾¡(§¸¡÷¾) ¸Å¢ìì(kalvi/¸ü¸)-ÃІ¤(†¥ÐÃ-
Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ) …ò‰(ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸) º¢òÃ(º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á) ‰ÃÅŠ
(¸ÃÅø)
¾Á†§¾§Å¡(¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡) §¾§ÅÀ¢÷(À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God)
§¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ).
¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢ §¸¡÷¾ kalvi/¸ü¸ †¥ÐÃ-Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸
º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á-
-¸ÃÅø
¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡ À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God) §¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ.
Gruha could be a Corruption of Old Tamil Word Koorai Which goes to
the root Kooru(Pyramid is the todays meaning of this representative
structure)Kooru/koorai/kurai/kruhai/gruha.
Rig Veda May be subtle tamil word þ¨ÃìÌ(kadavul) §ÅûÅ¢.it means
whole lot of changes in meaning of the word Rg veda.
Rig/iraigu/iraikku -veda has been connected to the meaning a
bodyofknowledge Now i feel ve+da+veelvi(sacred oblation to god.This
is substantiated by the first verse of rg veda .
«ìÉ¢õ ®¦Ç Ҧᆢ¾õ.I conclude by giving the correct retrieval for
rg veda=þ¨ÃÌ §ÅûÅ¢.
As i said sanskrit branched out of her mother Tamil by exploiting
and interpolating on the ayutha ezhuththu.Creating two intermediary
order of consonents.
If can intelligently remove some of these order from sanskrit words
and replace them with tamil consonents we are looking at the mother
of sanskrit that is Tamil.
Eg:agni-fire
in tamil it can be fit as :
Agani=Aga+ni
ni might be referral to godly attribute sacredity,and Aga-fire
(horrific).We can try to interprete sanskrit sentences by applying
this method to prove it is an offshoot of tamil.
the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows:
´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read
as "ottam"
In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same
occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can
be
only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies
this
like:
p,b.
t,d.
c,j.
k,g. h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil.
most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h,
q=ku=k+u .
w=u+u
x=a+k+s
z=s+h+e+e.
À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle.
À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku'
Now i will talk about the intermediate orders produced by
sanskrit
Kha=ik+a+ha.
gha=ig+a+ha/ik+ha+a+ha,presuming that ga second order consonent is
produced by combination of ik+1/2ha.
cha=ich+a+ha
jha=ij+a+ha/ich+ha+a+ha
tha=it+a+ha
dha=idh+a+ha/ith+ha+a+ha
fa=ip+a+ha bha=ib+a+ha/ip+ha+a+ha
The uniqueness in Tamil is giving importance to mey ezhuththu and
in
combination with vowels produce consonents
Ith+a=tha
this is not in sanskrit.
So what gets exploited so much so is the "ha"produced by tamil
ayutham.
---One has to remember that second order has no written recognition
in tamil pa becomes ba in any place of the word other than at the
start of the word but cannot be expressed in writting it is a oral
convention.
words starting with consonents will have expressed first order.
r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a
consonent preceding.
"r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a
consonent preceding"
even vowels can precede them.
ya=is formed by=A+i+a
The peculiarity of cha is that at any place other than the first in
a word it lightens to sa and preceding with another half consonent
ich it regains cha status.
Language learners in the formal education pattern are not fed with
good logic resulting in bad pronounciation which we often see.
kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with that eliminate the need for '‹' in the
script?
"¸·«'can be "¸·"and "ig"can be"·ì"."ghan"(musik)can be"¸·¬ý".it
could be "¸·¡ý" .
Like this we transliterate sanskrit text but my idea goes beyond
this.
Since sanskrit is a derived language from tamil i am in the order
of
fixing sanskrit to tamil orgin not to attempt adapting tamil to
sanskrit as i told you that sanskri is a derived language.
I had already told you that we have to eliminate intermediate
consonents from sanskrit words and adopt tamil equivalent to prove
that the world is classical tamil or sumerian tamil.There may be
varients in the process of development cycle of sanskrit.
One thing comes to my mind is that rg veda could be a product of
1st
tamil sangam.
tamil and sankrit are now two school of thoughts emerging from
their
mother sumerian tamil.While formulation of rg veda there might two
school of thoughts one to restrict phonetics to first order
consonents and second to elongate to intermediary order this also
the reason i believe that we can reduce sanskrit to its orginal
tamil form.
May be we are making some progress here that may lead into
understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian
the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed.
The need to induce large volume of words into the vocabulary
could have resulted in thinkers of those days to extrapolate (ha)to
form multitude of permutations in the language and form a new
structural varient from sumerian tamil.
sanskrit and c.tamil should then share same roots for their
ancestors are same that is dravidians and not aryans.
Attempt towards this proposition ahs already started and let us hope
in the near future we will be able to substantiate this view.
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From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 30 14:58:44 EDT 2004
Intersting.
From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 5 23:58:27 EST 2004
//I do not find
reality in that meaning since thisaichchol has already been taken to
mean words of twelve different regions if Tolkaappiyar wanted to
indicate directions he would a placed a suitable word.Vada hence
should be construed as vadaintha(Flexed)Indicating the vowel-
consonants orders available in sanskrit and other such languages.
"Flexed words are those with higher order Vowel-consonants and the
same when taken to Tamil have to be adapted to the tamil phonetic
orders or retrieved" //
Very good analysis!!
From: shoba (@ 220.226.13.186) on: Sat Dec 4 01:38:45 EST 2004
your site details tell me
[/tscii:4d1d678b92]
The ancient civilization of this country has a record of 5000-7000
years of archeology in the form of epigraphs, artifacts, and
monuments Etc. It also has tradition and belief running to timeless
past. Literature Record dating to 3000 years at least in Two
languages that is Sanskrit and Tamil. Myths of time immemorial and
Oral tradition apart.
This country has been the land of confluence of various forces the
Gods, Demons etc. This country has also been the pioneer of
civilization, of knowledge, of Gurus, of Incarnations, a way of life
on earth, a path finder.
Such a country has also been banned by influence of feudalism and
its values and isolation of common man and oppression against him.
Seeds of such a dichotomy were sowed in early Sanskrit writings
which language had been appropriated by the elite the ruling class
who were grouped as Arya (Nobles) Though they do not form a race
during the initial stages they consolidated slowly during the
medieval period.
The distortion created by the varna- ashrama dharma with varied
interpretation had been the root cause hate in the current day
society.
This apart the story of Indian civilization takes us to the Indus
valley which is the first known settlement thus far though more
explorations are revealing settlements across the subcontinent
during a period earlier to this. A complete biography of this
civilization could be written but for the mystery of the script that
reveals it.Early attempts to reveal it pointed to Dravidian
settlements though this had been contested right through by Aryan
lobby. The missing link continues to be an area of distortion and
exploitation by various interested group who would like to
appropriate the civilization. While the entire Sanskrit literature
is abound by Dichotomy of Indian culture reflecting dominance of one
over the other efforts are on in pioneering works of Dr.Loganathan
to set things right.
The discovery of Sumerian as Archaic Tamil is a breakthrough in this
direction Efforts are also on to unravel the Indus script as Proto-
Tamil. A new ground has been laid in retrieving Sanskrit into its
base Tamil. It is being concluded that it is only a stream of Tamil.
Let us now begin with realising Sumerian as Archaic Tamil:
Quote
[The more he knows about either, the better. But even after lesson
five of
"Teach yourself Sumerian", an experienced linguist will already be
able to
discern the type of language, whether it has an ergative sentence
structure
(Sumerian yes, Tamil no), whether it is flexive or agglutinative or
isolative, etc. etc. So when the professor of Sumerian at my Alma
Mater
dismissed the Dravidian connection, I know his knowledge of Dravidian
doesn't match his knowledge of Sumerian, yet I wouldn't dismiss his
opinion
as entirely uninformed.-By Dr.Loganathan.]
Here we have tried to retrive …¤§ÁâÂý(Sumerian)suruppak neri(code)
into Tamil:
1. [u] ri-a u sud-ra ri-a ( In those distant days, in those far
remote days)
2. gi ri-a gi bad-du ri-a ( In those nights, in those far-away
nights)
3. mu ri-a mu sud-ra ri-a ( In those years, in those far remote
years)
4. u-ba gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am ( In those
days, the intelligent one, who made the elaborate words, who knew
the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer .
5.Suruppak gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am (
Suruppak - the inelligent one, who made the elaborate words , who
knew the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer
"cuudu"chudar=the primordial ray.
2.þâ¨Á ÀñΨÁ þâ =irul soozhndha ap pandaiya kawlam.
1. °÷ ±Ã¢Â °÷ ͼ÷ ±Ã¢Â=oor vilangiya ath thol kawlaththil.
3.㧾¡÷ «Ã¢Â ãРͼ÷ «Ã¢Â =moothor arindha am mudhal kawlam.
4.ÝÕÀ¡ìÌ §¸¡û¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =ÍÕÀ¡ìÌ
þð¼ §¸¡û
«Åý ÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ.§¸¡û=code laid down by
suruppak with
extraordinary brillianceÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ lived in
sumeria
5.°÷ §¸¡û ¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =the
intelligent
one who divised the code lived in sumer.
Gestu can be §¸¡û=«¸Šò=«¸ì§¸¡û ÅÌòÐ
nig.nam kal-kal-en nig-e me-kal-kal ( You appreciate something,
it appreciates you).¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ
Ta.¿¡õ ¿ø ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ
repetition of words like kal-kal,nil-nil as reverberating sounds
either to stress a point or to strech a meaning is even today found
in pinglish(nigerian english)down-down means far down.go-go means go
fast right now.
One must keep in mind that @ the time sumerian tablet were written
there must not have been grammar limitation or that the tablets
followed colloquial slangs.here kal should be interpreted as
kalvi ,gnyan,kal -kal is to stress a point that we should be abreast
with information on our surrounding to know the truth. i think this
interpretation could be accomodated linguistically.
This duplication of words occurs in sanskrit sloka which says
rogawn mochaya mochaya
awyur vardhaya vardhaya
Ta/ͦÁâ«ý:. nikaznam naa-kal jii kukuuyidu.
¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú¨Å ¸ü¸¡Å¢Êý ¯ûÇõ ÌÕ¸¢Îõ
jii might have existed earlier in tamil now avilable in sanskrit.
tamu.moo kan.Gim iGi. Kan.kan ( My son, your eyes should be
brilliant like the sun).
¾õ ãì¸ñ þ¨Á ¸½ø̸=let thy vision throw radiance of the sun
he-su-he-za-a nanna li-bi-in-du-ga za-a-akam bi-in-du-ga
That one has not recited as "Known! Be it Known!" of Nanna , that
one has recited as a "Tis Thine!"
²Í ²ÍÅ ¿ýÉ¡ þÄ¢ À£Â¢ý àì¸, ƒ¡«¸õ À£Â¢ý àì¸ (this could be-§¸Ù
(ûÅ¢)-
§¸Ç¡ ¿ý(ÉÄ¡)È¡ö þÕôÀ¢ýê¸ ¯û «¸õ (þÕ)À¢ýê¸. By questioning
to the
deeper consciousness and acting acccordingly one purifies ones soul.
124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am
That you are broad as the earth -- be it known!
¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu-
nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ
an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am
That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known!
Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this
vast
expanse queried be it known
135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du
Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury!
¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢
÷Ù¸ «õÎ
(ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ.
123. an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am
That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known!
Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this
vast
expanse queried be it known
124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am
That you are broad as the earth -- be it known!
¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu-
nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ
125. ki-bala-gul-gul-lu-za he-zu-am
That you devastate the rebellious land- be it know !
¸£úÅÄ ¦¸¡ø¦¸¡øÖ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! (þì(your/its) ÀÄÌ-{ÅøÄÌ}
(strength) ¯ûÌ
¯û(from the innermost) ¯Æ(plough)
Derive your strength from the innermost.
125a kur-ra gu-de-za he-zu-am
That you roar at the land - be it known!
ÌýÈ Ü¢§¼ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! =ÌüÈ ÜÊÆ(Üʼ)you will bounce back.
135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du
Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury!
¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢
÷Ù¸(Á¢
Ãé¸) «õÎ(ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ.
24. uLukaL eenliillee aal siiyimma
¯Ù¸û ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ¬ø º£õÁ («Æ¢¨Á)
25. iin-anna saaGki paartta utu-eekaL
®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) º¡í¸¢(¦ºö¨¸ À¡÷ò¾ )¯Ð²¸û ¯Ð(¯Â÷ó¾-ãÐÅ÷)
§†¸ø(§¸Ùí¸û)
26. niitaah kaaLka uunuta munsiiyee
¿£¾:(¿¢ò¾õ) ¸¡û¸(¸¡ø¸û) °Ûò¾(°ÛÕ¸-þÃò¾õ ¯Õ¸-¦Åö¢ø¸¡Â)
Óýº£§Â
27. il iisakkunRa kiishnee edu
þø ®ŠÌýÈ(®Æ-ÌüÈõ)þøÄÃ(house) ÌüÈõ ¸£Š§É ±Î (¸£§Æ ¿£Îõ)¦ÅÇ¢§Â
(society) ¦¾¡¼Õõ.
28. tamu uurunakiinee kuuv mun.iduvee
¾Ó °ÕÉ츢§É(°÷ þÉì(¾¢÷)¦¸É) Ü Óý¢§¼ (ÜÅ¢ Өâ¼)
29. Kootiyum eeNliille emmana sii
§¸¡¾¢Ôõ(ÌÊÔõ) ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ±õÁÉ º£ {ÁÉ ¬Æ(ò¾¢Öõ)}-
ÌÊ «¨ÁôÀÐ ±ý ÁÉ ¬Æò¾¢Öõ þø¨Ä.
30. Ninmoo iin-anna aataavumun. tamuzi
¿¢ý§Á¡(¿¢ý Óý) ®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) ¬¾¡×Óý(¬¾(†)Ã(Ó)×õ ¾Óƒ¢
(¯ñÎõ °Æ¢)
Now it is getting proved that that the base of sanskrit is Tamil:
Let us see this by my retrivals:
The word sanskrit should be splitted as sa-krit and read as ha-
thirutha.For all the manipulation of the consonants and creation of
four order including for sa-sa,sha,shah,ha are with the help of ha
and it may be the corruption of "ha-thiruththam " that it became to
be called as sanskrit.Sanskrit is Tamizhin Ha-thiruththam
etymologically it could be
hathiruth-hathrith-sathrith-sanskrith.ºÁ÷ôÀ¡Á¢,¬Å¡†Â¡Á¢=þ¨¾ ¾Á¢Æ¢ø
Á£ðÌõ ¦À¡-ØÐ=¡§Á §º÷§Àý=ºÁ÷ôÀ+¡Á¢,
¡§ÁÅ¡¸(¬Ì¸)¡Á¢+¬Å¡†,±ýÈ¡¸¢ÃÐ.
The first verse in rgkrit tamil retrieved:
«ì¿¢õ ®§¼ ҧḢ¾õ.
¿¢õretained still in kannada(¿¢ý) «¸õ(¯ûÇõ-internal fire) ®§¼
(equivelance)þðÎ(ignite)purohit=À¡÷¸¼õ(vast expanse)
lexically
pawrkadam/parkadam/porkadam/porkitham/porhitham/purhitham/purohitam.
ˆýŠ §¾Åõ ÕòÅ¢ƒõ §†¡¾¡Ãõ ÃòÉ ¾¡¾Áõ
±ýÛ¨¼Â §¾¨Å ¯Â÷Å¢¼õ ,§¸¡÷¾¡Õõ(§¸¡Ã¢ÂÅÕõ)þÃò¾¢É ¾¡ø-¾Á÷.
«ìÉ¢(¿¢ý «¸õ)â÷†¢(¦À¡í¸¢) {â÷}-ÅåÀ¢÷(ÅÕÁ¢ý) Õ„¢À¢÷(¯Õ¸¢-À¢ý)
®¼§Â¡(®Î¨¼Â) ᾨÉ÷ ¯¾(¯ó¾¨É)
…§¾(º¡÷óÐ/§º÷òÐ) Å¡õÉ(Å¡Éõ) ²†Åì(±ØÅ/²üÈ¢Â)-„¾¢(¸¾¢).
---«ìɢɡ(¿¢ý «¸õ) âÁ(þ¨È¨Á)‰ÛÅò(¸ÛÅò/«ÏÌÅÐ), §À¡„õ
(§À¡¸õ/¦ÀÕÌõ)( ²Å(²Å¢)
¾¢§Å¾¢§Å(¾¢¨¸ ¾¢¨¸)(astonishment)(unlimited)
„…õ(¡¸Çõ/¡í¸Ùõ)Å£ÃÅò¾Áõ(¾£Å£÷ÅÇ÷¾õ ¬õ)/(¾£Â¢÷ ÅÇ÷¾¨Á ¬õ).
«ì§É(¿¢ý «¸õ) Âõ(±õ) ˆýÂõ(²üÈõ/±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÅÃõ(«òÐÅÃõ-¬üÚ
ÅÃõÒ) Å¢‰Å¾†(Å¢¨ÇŨ¾) ÀââÃ(«)…¢(À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢)
… þ¾(±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾) §¾§Å„¤(§¾¨ÅìÌ) ¸îº¾¢(¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ).
¿¢ý «¸õ ±õ ²üÈõ(±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÐÅÃõ(-¬üÚ ÅÃõÒ) («¾É¡ø)Å¢¨ÇŨ¾
À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢
±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾ §¾¨ÅìÌ ¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ(¯¸ó¾Ð).
---«ìÉ¢÷(¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢) §†¡¾¡(§¸¡÷¾) ¸Å¢ìì(kalvi/¸ü¸)-ÃІ¤(†¥ÐÃ-
Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ) …ò‰(ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸) º¢òÃ(º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á) ‰ÃÅŠ
(¸ÃÅø)
¾Á†§¾§Å¡(¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡) §¾§ÅÀ¢÷(À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God)
§¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ).
¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢ §¸¡÷¾ kalvi/¸ü¸ †¥ÐÃ-Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸
º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á-
-¸ÃÅø
¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡ À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God) §¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ.
Gruha could be a Corruption of Old Tamil Word Koorai Which goes to
the root Kooru(Pyramid is the todays meaning of this representative
structure)Kooru/koorai/kurai/kruhai/gruha.
Rig Veda May be subtle tamil word þ¨ÃìÌ(kadavul) §ÅûÅ¢.it means
whole lot of changes in meaning of the word Rg veda.
Rig/iraigu/iraikku -veda has been connected to the meaning a
bodyofknowledge Now i feel ve+da+veelvi(sacred oblation to god.This
is substantiated by the first verse of rg veda .
«ìÉ¢õ ®¦Ç Ҧᆢ¾õ.I conclude by giving the correct retrieval for
rg veda=þ¨ÃÌ §ÅûÅ¢.
As i said sanskrit branched out of her mother Tamil by exploiting
and interpolating on the ayutha ezhuththu.Creating two intermediary
order of consonents.
If can intelligently remove some of these order from sanskrit words
and replace them with tamil consonents we are looking at the mother
of sanskrit that is Tamil.
Eg:agni-fire
in tamil it can be fit as :
Agani=Aga+ni
ni might be referral to godly attribute sacredity,and Aga-fire
(horrific).We can try to interprete sanskrit sentences by applying
this method to prove it is an offshoot of tamil.
the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows:
´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read
as "ottam"
In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same
occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can
be
only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies
this
like:
p,b.
t,d.
c,j.
k,g. h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil.
most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h,
q=ku=k+u .
w=u+u
x=a+k+s
z=s+h+e+e.
À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle.
À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku'
Now i will talk about the intermediate orders produced by
sanskrit
Kha=ik+a+ha.
gha=ig+a+ha/ik+ha+a+ha,presuming that ga second order consonent is
produced by combination of ik+1/2ha.
cha=ich+a+ha
jha=ij+a+ha/ich+ha+a+ha
tha=it+a+ha
dha=idh+a+ha/ith+ha+a+ha
fa=ip+a+ha bha=ib+a+ha/ip+ha+a+ha
The uniqueness in Tamil is giving importance to mey ezhuththu and
in
combination with vowels produce consonents
Ith+a=tha
this is not in sanskrit.
So what gets exploited so much so is the "ha"produced by tamil
ayutham.
---One has to remember that second order has no written recognition
in tamil pa becomes ba in any place of the word other than at the
start of the word but cannot be expressed in writting it is a oral
convention.
words starting with consonents will have expressed first order.
r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a
consonent preceding.
"r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a
consonent preceding"
even vowels can precede them.
ya=is formed by=A+i+a
The peculiarity of cha is that at any place other than the first in
a word it lightens to sa and preceding with another half consonent
ich it regains cha status.
Language learners in the formal education pattern are not fed with
good logic resulting in bad pronounciation which we often see.
kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with that eliminate the need for '‹' in the
script?
"¸·«'can be "¸·"and "ig"can be"·ì"."ghan"(musik)can be"¸·¬ý".it
could be "¸·¡ý" .
Like this we transliterate sanskrit text but my idea goes beyond
this.
Since sanskrit is a derived language from tamil i am in the order
of
fixing sanskrit to tamil orgin not to attempt adapting tamil to
sanskrit as i told you that sanskri is a derived language.
I had already told you that we have to eliminate intermediate
consonents from sanskrit words and adopt tamil equivalent to prove
that the world is classical tamil or sumerian tamil.There may be
varients in the process of development cycle of sanskrit.
One thing comes to my mind is that rg veda could be a product of
1st
tamil sangam.
tamil and sankrit are now two school of thoughts emerging from
their
mother sumerian tamil.While formulation of rg veda there might two
school of thoughts one to restrict phonetics to first order
consonents and second to elongate to intermediary order this also
the reason i believe that we can reduce sanskrit to its orginal
tamil form.
May be we are making some progress here that may lead into
understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian
the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed.
The need to induce large volume of words into the vocabulary
could have resulted in thinkers of those days to extrapolate (ha)to
form multitude of permutations in the language and form a new
structural varient from sumerian tamil.
sanskrit and c.tamil should then share same roots for their
ancestors are same that is dravidians and not aryans.
Attempt towards this proposition ahs already started and let us hope
in the near future we will be able to substantiate this view.
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From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 30 14:58:44 EDT 2004
Intersting.
From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 5 23:58:27 EST 2004
//I do not find
reality in that meaning since thisaichchol has already been taken to
mean words of twelve different regions if Tolkaappiyar wanted to
indicate directions he would a placed a suitable word.Vada hence
should be construed as vadaintha(Flexed)Indicating the vowel-
consonants orders available in sanskrit and other such languages.
"Flexed words are those with higher order Vowel-consonants and the
same when taken to Tamil have to be adapted to the tamil phonetic
orders or retrieved" //
Very good analysis!!
From: shoba (@ 220.226.13.186) on: Sat Dec 4 01:38:45 EST 2004
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