Sharing-IR's music-interviews-BgmClips- in web [Archive] - Page 4

venkkiram

14th November 2010, 04:10 AM

ட்ரம்ஸ் புருவுடன் ஒரு (தீவிர) ராஜா ரசிகர் செய்த கலந்துரையாடல் யூடியூபில் பார்க்க வாய்ப்பு கிடைத்தது. ஒரு இசை மேதையை இன்னொரு இசைக்கலைஞர் பாராட்டுவதை கேட்பதில் இருக்கும் சுகம் இருக்கிறதே...பரவசம்.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTC72juvEII&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDQCjmrgKvQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg1L6LaGplw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J71VqrJJj_k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y-PuRcvMBk&feature=related

நன்றிகள் கோடி அந்த ரசிகருக்கு.

tvsankar

15th November 2010, 01:06 AM

Thanks for the lilnks VR........

sivasub

15th November 2010, 06:56 AM

Very rare video. DD interviewing IR... you can hear Andhiyile Vaanam recording in between for a split second

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHAjpgZNOE&feature=related

sivasub

15th November 2010, 07:30 AM

Sunil Avachat playing Nothing but Wind in Hariprasad Chaurasia's presence... man heavenly!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXJeMYDuO30

sivasub

15th November 2010, 09:13 AM

Old video where Balki speaks about IR... starts from14:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5LdGLYf32k&feature=related

jaiganes

16th November 2010, 04:19 AM

http://mp3.tamilwire.com/ilaiyaraja-discography-movies-m-%E2%80%93-n-%E2%80%93-478-songs.html

summaa kaaikari poattu vekkira maadhiri poatrukaangappa. I was amazed to see some very rarely found Raaja songs.. including the rock song from moodupani here...

Sureshs65

16th November 2010, 10:52 PM

Thanks for the Puru link Venki. Wonderful to watch him talk about Raja. Gives a glimpse of how much the musicians loved him and learnt from him. I am sure lot of them must be feeling bad given the current miserly usage of acoustic instruments.

rprasad

17th November 2010, 09:58 PM

Thanks for the Puru links. It was wonderful listening to the man who is is as close to IR's music as one can get. I don't think lot of people understand how unique IR is and in my opinion the only true Genius in the realm of music composers in India. The man can create Sound design in his mind which is almost impossible to imagine for any normal person. We are lucky to hear his music in our lifetime. IR is one of a kind treasure of our great country and i hope people can recognize this and stop dragging him into comparison with other MD's. IR stands alone in his realm.

Sureshs65

18th November 2010, 09:56 PM

rprasad,

What you say is very true and people like Uttam Singh have said the same on stage. He is a true phenomena. Not because he can imagine things in his mind or because he is so fast while composing but more because of the quality of his ideas, the quality of his output and the consistency. Don't know of another MD who has done so many songs of such top quality.

sivasub

25th November 2010, 10:49 PM

MOP series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMVvyphUjc

sivasub

26th November 2010, 12:07 AM

MOP vaishnavi - 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLRFvQXthBI&feature=related

Dont know where 1, 3 and 4 went missing

sivasub

26th November 2010, 01:17 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M_cLDmjZLA

Part 4 now

sivasub

27th November 2010, 10:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaYbK-dx41g

Part 6.. IR remembering his old times

raagas

6th December 2010, 12:24 PM

http://raagadevan.blogspot.com/2010/12/waltzing-away.html

A superb write up on Poove Sem Poove, by Violin Vicky. Fantastic demo of what all is constructed in it.

irir123

8th December 2010, 07:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl4sIzRnNk

"Aa dinagalu" !!

very crisply made with some very creative camera angles etc!

the last 5 minutes showcase why IR is a genius beyond compare !

oh boy! this man can so intimately tell the story of emotions using his music - the acting and direction are so good that IR simply measures up to the challenge with an equally rousing score!

if directors/stars cannot understand this man's genius, it is truely their fault and not IR's!

skr

12th December 2010, 09:32 PM

Can anyone give me the song Jiske Sahare from Kamagni(1987)-Hindi movie of IR..??
My E-mail ID is skrajiv@gmail.com

tvsankar

13th December 2010, 01:14 AM

jaiganes

31st December 2010, 01:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DYGQpLm_bM
Frank dubier interview - man talks about Raja (towards the end a little bit)

kingvj

2nd January 2011, 05:19 AM

Can anyone point me to a good quality 'Malare malare ullasam' mp3 from Un Kannil Neer Vazhindhaal?

app_engine

12th January 2011, 11:49 PM

தெய்வீகராகம் - தெவிட்டாத பாடல் - ஜென்ஸி இன்டர்வியூ (http://radiospathy.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-post_11.html)

tvsankar

13th January 2011, 12:11 AM

app,
thanks for the link.........

irir123

23rd January 2011, 10:19 PM

Great review - a new one - on "Tiruvasagam- Oratorio" by a Finnish national with a love of Tamil!

http://www.finndian.com/cd-review-ilaiyaraaja

http://www.finndian.com/about-me

Sureshs65

24th January 2011, 12:08 AM

'Uravugal Thodargathai' performed with vocal harmony. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbd4WPPMNQo&feature=player_embedded

baroque

24th January 2011, 04:40 AM

Great review - a new one - on "Tiruvasagam- Oratorio" by a Finnish national with a love of Tamil!

http://www.finndian.com/cd-review-ilaiyaraaja

http://www.finndian.com/about-me

:ty: for bringing the review for some of us to read.

Wonderful to read the article this lazy Sunday afternoon as I enjoy the traditional and minimalistic Ilayaraaja's BABA PUGAZH MAALAI...semi classical.

:ty: to the author for introducing me UNMATCHED - album.

I enjoyed reading his reviews.
love, Vinatha.

25th January 2011, 09:14 PM

'Uravugal Thodargathai' performed with vocal harmony. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbd4WPPMNQo&feature=player_embedded

Great One

tvsankar

25th January 2011, 09:30 PM

enaku pidikavilali..
2 reason.
1. Patoda Harmony - idhuva....

2. Ivangala oru Harmony yai padi, patoda dimention ai maathina madhiri thonudhu.

idhu - Raja vin paatuku Nanraga ilai.......

.3.. M B Srinivas - Orchestra parthu - ivanga inum kathukanam.

REMIX madhiri - oru Erichal panra vishayamaga enaku thonudhu.

baroque

26th January 2011, 12:13 AM

I can't comment on their effort.

I don't even want to check it out.

I beg all the curious, talented people to enjoy and get inspiration from Shri.Ilayaraja sangeetham but PLEASE LEAVE THEM ALONE, don't try to remix or add layers or change, alter etc...

In fact leave all those gems from M.S.V-T.K.R, IR,S.D.Burman, C.Ramachandra, Madhan mohan etc... etc....GREATS sangeethams alone.

They are precious. Indian cinema is eternally grateful to them.

anyway.... I don't check it out.

love, vinatha.

tvsankar

26th January 2011, 12:21 AM

indha list la ARR ai yum serthiko vinatha..
avaroda paataiyum Harmony nu kashta paduthi irukanga...

Thanks to ur post. :)

baroque

26th January 2011, 12:26 AM

:)
you are thanking me... some of them may be thinking I am discouraging the people with curiosity and want to learn..

நான் கேக்க மாட்டேன்... amazing ஆ all those great composers with devastating மூடோட originals இருக்கும் போது , I am blessed . :musicsmile:
vinatha.

San_K

26th January 2011, 12:51 AM

appo originalla irunthu sutta vaduve theriyama kodutha OK va? j/k

baroque

26th January 2011, 01:01 AM

It is not OK also.
But I grew up with these GREAT composers originals, they are closer to my heart, I don't enjoy when people alter or change or add layers etc..

That's all.
vinatha.

app_engine

26th January 2011, 01:09 AM

baroque

26th January 2011, 01:10 AM

vel

26th January 2011, 10:44 AM

considering the butchering and massacre done in the name of re-mixing, this is not bad at all...i liked this effort...shows the power of Raaja's impact on these youngsters...

26th January 2011, 10:56 AM

அட இதெல்லாம் சீரியஸா எடுத்துக்கப்டாது:-)

'ஏதோ, கொழந்தைங்க செய்யறாங்க'ன்னு ஒரு க்யூரியாசிட்டியோட பாக்கணுமே ஒழிய ஆராயக்கூடாதுங்க :-)

ஒரிஜினல் ஒரிஜினல் தான், மற்றது மற்றது தான். அதிலென்ன சந்தேகம்?

Good one. I agree 100%.

ராஜாவுக்கு செய்யும் tribute ஆக நினைக்கலாம் இல்லையா? It is no where near the original, but it is better than the remix songs which are coming in our Films. Iman, Srikanthdeva even Yuvan's version on Remix songs விட எனக்கு betterஆ படுது. கண்ட கண்ட electronic instrumentsஐ வாசிச்சு பாட்ட கெடுக்காம, ஹார்மனியா வெறும் bass guitar மட்டும் உபயோகித்து படாலை வழங்கிய விதம். any way it is my personal opinion. Continue discussion in healthy way with out thrashing any one.

26th January 2011, 10:59 AM

considering the butchering and massacre done in the name of re-mixing, this is not bad at all...i liked this effort...shows the power of Raaja's impact on these youngsters...

இதுவும் சூப்பர்

vel

26th January 2011, 02:41 PM

A Counterpoint in Thalabhadhi BGM

http://www.backgroundscore.com/2010/08/counterpoint.html

impressive note :)

venkkiram

27th January 2011, 11:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaeiiKoPLfU&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvfEBUXaFcY&feature=related

படித்துறை பற்றிய தொலைக்காட்சி பேட்டியில் ராஜாவும் தயாரிப்பாளர் ஆர்யாவும் நடத்திய கலந்துரையாடல்...

28th January 2011, 07:24 PM

http://ilakindriorpayanam.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-post_28.html

29th January 2011, 02:08 AM

http://tamil.techsatish.net/file/mano-23/

Rajesh Vaidhya @ Manathodu Mano

tvsankar

29th January 2011, 12:45 PM

Thanks for the link k....

Sureshs65

17th February 2011, 10:01 AM

What a lovely love song and a very nice write up by Raj.

http://bit.ly/e7vjJh

Vkrish

15th March 2011, 12:43 AM

This is a great BGM clip...

Watch out for the orchestration that smoothly starts at 1.56 & gradually merging with a perfect fusion of Cellos, Saaranghi, tabla, flute, Double Bass with violin background..giving a hindustani flavour to western classical.. i really enjoyed the way the emotion is brought in the music..in a typical Rajaish style..

Hope u too will enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enHURM1uUMc&feature=related

skr

22nd March 2011, 11:50 AM

That was an awesome BGM..TFS Krish..

raagas

30th March 2011, 07:15 PM

Can someone translate this: http://solvanam.com/?p=13585

jaiganes

30th March 2011, 08:02 PM

difficult. but lemme try
give me a day or two - coz this is not an article which you want to read only gist.
Every word in this article is worth its weight in gold and if you are an IR fan it is like floating in clouds..

jaiganes

31st March 2011, 11:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3q11Hg5k2I&feature=related
Awesome Pazhassi Raajaa end credits BGM - look at how "Aadhi ushas" makes an entry as a symphonic piece - Simply Awesome.
my heart swells in sadness, pride and ecstasy. The way music should be done...

31st March 2011, 11:35 PM

jaiganes

1st April 2011, 02:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDQCjmrgKvQ&feature=related

some lucky son of a lucky gun getting to chat with puru...
and listen to the songs. we are lucky even to be listening to these songs..
Particularly "En Raagangal" what a sway of notes and what singing by that raakshasi - SJ..?

dochu

4th April 2011, 06:12 AM

I also admired the way 'Chandrasekar' nodded his head. He is so involved in the music from 'God'!. We can easily tell he is very dedicated to his work.

kingvj

22nd August 2011, 04:06 AM

Still looking for 'Chinna thaayaval' temple version from Thalapathi..! :-(

fan_ir

27th August 2011, 03:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJDXFRMgh0

visvan1970

31st December 2011, 05:39 PM

Does anyone have copies of IR's concerts before Netru Indru Naalai? It would be great if there was a compilation of his previous concerts. I am sure those that are part of his official website must have knowledge and means to procure copies. Would love to get ahold of them.

I have myself seen his 1997? Kerala concert. Unfortunately, don't have a copy.

where was this held in kerala.anything special about this prograame.can sombody shed more details on this.rgds.

skr

31st December 2011, 07:24 PM

Can someone post Mathiya Chennai Title song BGM ,
that piece is just mindblowing , searching for it all over the net

Bala (Karthik)

8th January 2012, 06:17 PM

Just stumbled upon it. Sorry if it's mytakku

Swamigal Live In Italy (2004)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bznLrcCiXG0&feature=related

kameshratnam

12th January 2012, 06:16 PM

~ ~EXCLUSIVE~~ #Ilayaraja Music Concert on Shri Ramana (09.01.2012) http://youtu.be/WVS9nKn5cCg We IRTF-Team humbly sharing with all RAJA DEVOTEES

14th January 2012, 11:04 AM

Kamesh & IRTF.. can't thank you enough for the rare video. great!

sivasub

14th January 2012, 12:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HErLfBO3EuE&feature=related

A program called Legend in Studio N TV on 31/12... this is in Telugu

buggle

12th February 2012, 11:50 PM

Some of the 80's hits which i have never seen the picturization...

1. Anbulla Malare - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MptIwIR_nCY
2. Anbulla Malare - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MwSElAW0m4
3. Aagaya Gangai - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrCmn2WdRSE - picturization of this song not bad though
4. Kokarako - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPplwC-XVTg
5. Kovil Pura - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he_pzUu9rXE - saritha does justice to SJ voice

V_S

21st February 2012, 08:53 AM

I can't resist posting these two BGM clips which I loved the most in Sneha Veedu.

I am mesmerized by the precise timing in the score for dramatic changes in the mood and the events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pA7O75kUM

This one is a poetry in visuals and music. Want to hear Aavani Thumbi in instrumentals. I have never seen anyone use flute like Maestro does. Definitely credit goes to Arunmozhi. Enna sugam! Combined with visual this one is a great visual/aural treat. I love Appukutty's acting and the people in the village.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjfJOCcP30

venkkiram

21st February 2012, 09:02 AM

நன்றிகள் பல வி.எஸ்!

ஒரு வேண்டுகோள்! அழகி படத்தில் சண்முகமும் தனலட்சுமியும் ஒரு முறை கோயிலில் சந்தித்துக் கொள்வார்கள்! அதற்காகவே பிரத்யேகமாக ஒரு துண்டுப் பாட்டை ராஜா அமைத்திருப்பார். பொறுமையிருந்தால் அதையும் இங்கு நேரம் கிடைக்கும்போது பதிவு செய்யவும்.

V_S

21st February 2012, 09:05 AM

Sure venkki. I think I have Azhagi DVD, need to check again. Will definitely post it. Thanks for letting me know.:smile:

venkkiram

21st February 2012, 09:09 AM

Sure venkki. I think I have Azhagi DVD, need to check again. Will definitely post it. Thanks for letting me know.:smile:

மிக்க மகிழ்ச்சி! அப்போ அழகி படத்திலிருந்து நிறைய பின்னணி இசை பொக்கிஷங்களை எதிர்பார்த்து காத்திருக்கிறேன்.

V_S

6th March 2012, 10:50 PM

Snehaveedu HQ BGM here (http://www.mediafire.com/?6zl4yfpbjsydncg). Finally managed to finish it. I think I have covered 90% of the music in the film (apart from the songs). For 2 hours and 20 minutes film, the background score is almost 1 hour, which leaves us another 1 hour and 20 minutes. Out of that, 20 minutes goes in 4 songs, so remaining 1 hour has no music, as Maestro does not unnecessarily forces the score and intrudes the dialogues. One hour of background score is something extra-ordinary. Even in an hour of background score, we can hear silence at many places. And in many places when the dialogues are on, how he subtly underlines the emotions with feebly audible scores, again not to interrupt the emotions, only to enhance it. Best way to listen to the score is to cut all the mp3s into a CD and listen, especially on a travel. It will be a pure 'Olichithram' of the whole film. One of the best score by Maestro. Enjoy!

Alert: If you want to see the film, please don't listen to this, as from the dialogues, you will sure get the whole story, so there are spoilers.

PS: Sorry, venkki. I searched for Azhagi DVD. I don't have it here, I will have to purchase.

irir123

8th March 2012, 02:28 AM

Music band from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, performing IR's HOW TO NAME IT ?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-J_PGheM2M

venkkiram

11th March 2012, 12:48 PM

Sorry, venkki. I searched for Azhagi DVD. I don't have it here, I will have to purchase.
பரவாயில்ல சார். யூடியுபில் தேடிக் கண்டுபிடிச்சிட்டேன்.. இரு முத்துக்கள் அழகி படத்திலிருந்து..

கல்யாணமான பிறகும் தனலட்சுமியின் நினைவாகவே இருக்கும் சண்முகம் .. கோயிலில் தனத்தை, அவளது கணவன்-குழந்தை சகிதம் பார்க்க நேரிடுகிறது..

ஏழுஜென்மம் தொடர்ந்து வரும் எங்கள் அம்மா தாயே (எங்கள் அம்மாள் தாயே)
எங்குமெங்கும் உடனிருப்பா ஈசுவரியே நீயே (ஈசுவரி நீயே ஈசுவரி நீயே )
உள்ளமெல்லாம் உருகுதம்மா ஒன்ன பார்த்ததாலே (ஒன்ன பார்த்ததாலே)
ஏங்குமெங்க ஏக்கமெல்லாம் தீர்த்து வைப்பாய் நீயே (தீர்த்து வைப்பாய் நீயே)
(0:48-1:53)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM-lrxWjuFQ&feature=related

காப்பகத்தில் பாலு சக சிறுவர்களுடன் உணவுக்கு முன் இறைவனை வேண்டுகையில்..

உலகம் யார் சொந்தமோ - எங்களின் தெய்வமே!
நாங்கள் யார் சொந்தமோ - எமக்கு யார் தெய்வமே!
தாய்க்கு வேண்டாத பிள்ளை - பிறப்பதே மண்ணில் தொல்லை
யாரும் விரும்பாத எம்மைக் காக்கின்ற கருணை வடிவே

8:23 - 9:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE28uBENz4I&feature=related

skr

12th March 2012, 04:07 PM

Thanks V_S for Aavani Thumbi instrumental on flute , it was just so lovely .
I think i will enjoy the film , but require eng subtitles :)

P_R

16th March 2012, 05:39 PM

iniya naNbar Plum avargaLin mElaana gavanaththiRku. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gegjgk

IR 1985 Kalki interview

"ஒரு உயர்ந்த படத்தை இசையமைப்பாளரால் கெடுக்க முடியாது. அவனுக்குக் கெட்ட பெயர் வந்து சேருவதோடு சரி. ஆனால் ஒரு சராசரி படத்தை இசையமைப்பாளன் உயர்த்தவும் முடியும்; கெடுக்கவும் முடியும்."

courtesy: ex-hubber equanimus

Bala (Karthik)

16th March 2012, 05:44 PM

courtesy: ex-hubber equanimus
Look at me (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr-IR-and-Dr-SPB-306-%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AA%E0%A F%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%A E%A4%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D-songs&p=830728&viewfull=1#post830728)

P_R

16th March 2012, 05:53 PM

Look at me (http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8541-The-Golden-Era-of-Dr-IR-and-Dr-SPB-306-%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AA%E0%A F%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%A E%A4%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D-songs&p=830728&viewfull=1#post830728) kuRippatta sila topic pEsunA dhaan 'yA thalaiyai kaamikkiRaar.

Plum

16th March 2012, 09:45 PM

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app_engine

16th March 2012, 10:01 PM

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Ilayaraja in 1985 interview to Kalki :

"oru uyarndha padaththai isai amaippALArAl kedukka mudiyAthu. avanukkukketta peyar vandhu sEruvadhOdu sari. AnAl, oru sarAsari padaththai isai amaippALAn uyarththavum mudiyum; kedukkavum mudiyum"

crvenky

22nd May 2012, 10:31 AM

The beautiful End title score of Sri Rama Rajyam:

http://www.4shared.com/mp3/1ODwVPrg/SRR_end_titles.html

irir123

22nd May 2012, 10:35 PM

digression yet somehow relevant to IR's style of music/BGM making - http://collider.com/brooklyn-decker-peter-berg-battleship-interview/153633/

Peter Berg, the director of the recent summer scifi action flick - BATTLESHIP - abt music composer Steve Jablonsky’s score for the film

Berg: "He’s a genius. Steve Jablonsky is the sh*t! I think that guy is the best composer working today, hands down. Working with composers often is a really frustrating experience because you speak a different language and, oftentimes, they take two or three jobs, at the same time. They’re difficult and pretentious and they’re tormented artists. I’m not going to name names, but most of them are. One guy who isn’t is Hans Zimmer, who taught Steve Jablonsky. We had a couple of meetings and I came up with this idea. The day I met with him, I had had an MRI for my neck, and they make that really scary sound. I was like, “I just had this MRI, and when I was in there, I was thinking about the aliens, and it was really scary.” And he was like, “Oh, that’s awesome!” He went and recorded MRIs and made music out of MRIs, and that’s the theme of the aliens in our film. He is no drama, and just goes and gets it done. The score is big and awesome and scary and driving. At times, it’s very simple and acoustic and touching and emotional. He’s the best I’ve ever worked with. "

isn't that how IR composes too ?? inspiring himself from a sound idea to come up with a motif and building on it ??

here is that theme he is referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4Dk7RxrvU

sureshmehcnit

25th May 2012, 11:38 PM

Tere Naam Vs Sethu. What if?

http://www.backgroundscore.com/2012/05/tere-naam-vs-sethu.html

Sureshs65

26th May 2012, 12:40 AM

Suresh,

I am totally unable to understand your motivation for this post. Are you trying to say we appreciate Raja's BGM because it is by Raja and not because it is appropriate? Raja felt there was a need for BGM there so he kept it. If he had not felt the need for BGM, he would have been silent. You can only talk about what is present. Honestly, as I said in the beginning, I don't see any point in your post.

I don't know but going by your earlier Raja vs Rahman post and this post it almost looks like you are on a mission to convince people that we appreciate Raja because he is close to us and that almost all BGM by everyone is good !!! I may be wrong but that is the feeling I get. It would be probably nice if you stick to analysing BGM and not come up with some vague comparison.

Thanks for the understanding.

sureshmehcnit

26th May 2012, 06:54 AM

Cool. I was just thinking loud. I wanted to know if anyone else would have thought same way? I just write what I honestly feel about certain things and it is not to propagate any theory.

I am just wondering how even a very pedestrian, functional score is enough for ordinary film-goers to like a film. Like how Salman's performance was enough for them. But does that doesn't mean Salman is perfect for the role. It is just that he was good enough for those who liked that film as much as we liked Sethu. That doesn't mean Salman = Vikram.

I am not saying we like it only because it is Raaja, I am just saying Raaja's isn't the only way, there is always the other right way, though it may not be the best way. But, with background score, as people don't care about it much, just being right is enough, I guess.

Hope I clarified. Need to work on my writing skills. My posts seem to suggest what I didn't intend to.

sureshmehcnit

26th May 2012, 07:04 AM

"we appreciate Raja because he is close to us" - I don't know about "We", but I am like that. I have that prejudice. I just wanted to know if anyone else is like that. That is why I tailed it with a question "What would you have thought?"

V_S

26th May 2012, 07:58 AM

suresh,
I think you are caught in some confusion regarding to accept Raja's scores. We are perfectly fine with this. You wanted to convince yourself as well as others that just the functional score is good enough for any film. What is this big drama Raja is doing? Since you always have ARR at the back of your mind and not willing to put him down (which I really appreciate), you want convince again and again that functional score is good enough (citing ordinary film-goers, as an excuse). If for the same reason, you don't want to bring your idol down, you have already pulled indirectly Raja down here by nullifying his work as nothing, citing people don't care much about it. Good job, keep it up!

It's like saying, why to compose good songs, if people nowadays are not interested much. Just if it is pleasing to ears or if it makes people dance , it is enough, nothing else is needed. Don't do different genres, one is enough for these people. Can you accept it? I know we cannot compare songs with background score, it is always the belief system that we ride on. One day or other, the background scores will be talking more than the songs themselves, who knows. Someone has to light the candle and it is one and only Ilaiyaraaja.

I would like to quote Director Mahendran's/Balu Mahendra (not sure exactly) words here. People will not know much about films, just that they want to pass their 2 hours in the theatre. Because of that, we should not take them as granted and produce ordinary (in your case functional) movies. You are already saying others may not do the best way, but they are right and it is just enough. Now, think about about the above statement if the directors/music directors are doing justice, if they think like you.

Do they need to enhance the movie/music experience of the audience to a different level, or just stay stagnant and don't bother people to elevate them. Even if few people are attending and understanding these minute details, it is beneficial and that's the success of the directors/music directors and the film. That's how the film industry and music industry and the audience watching these films have evolved. Please think about it. That's where Maestro stands tall and tallest in this department with no competitors ever. I am even wondering if we would be talking about background score, if we were born 50 years ago. That's the difference we are talking about. As Suresh ji said, it is not good to compare the films' background scores, it will never give you the correct picture.

sureshmehcnit

26th May 2012, 09:51 AM

V_S - I totally agree with everything you said, except "What is this big drama Raja is doing?". No. I don't have that in my mind at all. He does it best, but people in general seem to have the best experience with a film even with a lesser score. And even with an incredible score (as in Ninaivellam Nithya) with melodies that transcends the film and time, people could have a terrible experience and hate the film.

I didn't say "people don't care much about Raja's background score". People don't care about background scores in general. So, nothing nullifies nothing here.

I have said it many times. If not for Ilaiyaraaja, we wouldn't be talking about background scores as much.

However, I, agree that I am in a great confusion. I am trying to understand. I keep asking these questions to myself. I post them on my blog expecting to have such arguments from readers, so that I can have clarity.

And, in my opinion, A.R.Rahman doesn't give "just right" score, so I don't have to defend him at all, by writing these kind of posts.

app_engine

26th May 2012, 10:14 AM

I think it's worthwhile to re-quote this transliteration of a post repeatedly:-)
(as there's a discussion again on 'good enough' score...)

Ilayaraja in 1985 interview to Kalki :

"oru uyarndha padaththai isai amaippALArAl kedukka mudiyAthu. avanukkukketta peyar vandhu sEruvadhOdu sari. AnAl, oru sarAsari padaththai isai amaippALAn uyarththavum mudiyum; kedukkavum mudiyum"

My 2 cent addition to the above : oru kuppaippadaththai maestro kooda kAppAththa mudiyAthu (ni nithyA)

V_S

26th May 2012, 11:00 AM

just that they want to pass their 2 hours in the theatre. Because of that, we should not take them as granted and produce ordinary (in your case functional) movies. You are already saying others may not do the best way, but they are right and it is just enough. Now, think about about the above statement if the directors/music directors are doing justice, if they think like you.
What would you say for this?

but people in general seem to have the best experience with a film even with a lesser score. And even with an incredible score (as in Ninaivellam Nithya) with melodies that transcends the film and time, people could have a terrible experience and hate the film.
Accepted, as there is always a saying; you cannot make a good film worse by a bad score, but at the same time, you can elevate or destroy a average/bad film by a average/bad score. There are thousands of film like NN. By film, story, screenplay, direction, acting are the main pillars. If that goes wrong, everything goes wrong. Even in acute cases like these, with Maestro's music, he has held the falling pillars numerous times, I have plenty of examples; many Mohan, Ramarajan movies. Even with all the music, if he could not support, you have to imagine, how disastrous the movie would have been. So, because of that, are you saying, we don't need good scores (as they are not mandatory for films), just optimal score is good enough? Then, again you are coming back to the same point. My first quote above answered your question already.

As per your above quote, many people are not even interested in understanding the full film, leave alone the scores. Has all the details the director conveys has reached the audience? Please kindly check Tamil films section thread for recent 'discussion on Kamal gems'. You will know how much even we are missing. Imagine the fate of common public. If the fate of the film itself is like that, imagine the score. It will take its own time. This is again relevant to my first quote above. Directors and music directors knows this 100%. Still why do they continue to do that? That's the passion and confidence they have in us. If they do the same mistake (provide just the functional experience) what we do (ignore the scores, or don't understand the intricacies in the film), then the film will never reach to next levels.

Ask any common people in TN, they now know what is a background score compared to 35 years before. I have witnessed many times in theatre that people whistled when a particular score was on. Can you ever imagine these things again 35 years ago. Are our music directors are not achieving slowly what they intended to. If you are comparing hindi film world (this is what you did in your post), you are absolutely wrong. They still really don't know the value of background scores. Unlucky fellows! In that way, we are all too lucky to have experienced this already.

I didn't say "people don't care much about Raja's background score". People don't care about background scores in general. So, nothing nullifies nothing here.
Since your recent two posts (not here, in your blog) only talked in comparison with Raja's score, it is very easy to conclude that you are saying the former.

And, in my opinion, A.R.Rahman doesn't give "just right" score, so I don't have to defend him at all, by writing these kind of posts.
We already talked about it quite recently from your Kathalukku Mariyaathai Vs DSR post and how you were defending. Let's leave it at that. :smile:

Sureshs65

26th May 2012, 11:23 AM

Suresh,

Apologies if I came out harsh. If you are just talking loudly and your are confused whether you appreciate a particular BGM because of Raja, then your post can be looked at from a different light.

I was talking to a set of friends, all Raja fans, a couple of weekends back and I stated my central theory: "Raja believes a lot in common man. While Raja understands that no one will understand all aspects of his music making, he is very sure that whatever emotion that he intends to convey through music will reach the audience." I further stated that many directors did not have as much faith in their audience that Raja had. Examples will be people like Balki and Balu Mahendra, while great fans of Raja, always ask him to remake something he has done earlier rather than let him make new music.

Now, this is a very important aspect. Because if you do not believe that the audience will understand, (understand is not the right word, I should say feel) what you are doing, then you will end up giving them what you think is 'enough'. To counter Suresh's argument that 'common' audience does not understand or worry about BGM, I would say that they do. Yes, for them a Rajni movie with bad BGM or a Salman movie with crappy BGM will be a hit. But if there is a Rajni movie with top class BGM or a Salman movie with a great BGM the audience will understand that. While success or failure of a film doesn't depend on BGM, good BGM will always be appreciated even by 'common' audience.

The reason why we are confused is that, thinking we are intelligent, we believe that others will not 'get' what the music director is doing. Ironically, Raja, who is infinitely more intelligent than us when it comes to music, believes that even the 'commonest' of the audience will get the feel that he is intending to convey. Otherwise why would he bother to give such superb music for 'Nandala' or 'Azhagarsamiyin Kudhirai'. He could have used some folk instruments and could have done with 'ASK' background. Only a genius, who believes, not in us (who think we are musically intelligent), but in a guy who doesn't even think about BGM, can give such music.

sureshmehcnit

26th May 2012, 11:44 AM

V_S - "optimal score is good enough?" - Is it Good enough for the film? or Is it good enough to educate the audience who still don't pay the attention the background score deserves? I guess these are two entirely different questions. I am talking more about the former, here. Also, if you have noticed, I have always picked films that had huge impact on the audience, for such comparisons. The discussion for score of an average film or a bad film is a totally different topic.

There is a difference between minimal score and functional score. I am talking about minimalism here. The post on Sethu was more about the significance of Silence. Even "No music" for that scene (in Sethu) might have worked is what I wanted to say, if we are concerned about whether the score is good enough "for the film". But, if there are external considerations like educating people, elevating their musical sensibilities etc., which I believe a composer always has at the back of his mind, Ilaiyaraaja's music for that scene is the one.

Kamal Haasan, in Unnai Pol Oruvan press meet, spoke about working with Sruthi for the background score of the film. He said, "When Ilaiyaraaja came, he used to compose very minimal background score, but producers started complaining that he composes very little music for the money he charges. Then, he had to succumb to producer's demands and compose more background music. I was very happy to hear Sruthi having same views Ilaiyaraaja about the importance of minimal score". I am not able to find that indiaglitz video of that press meet now.

Sureshs65

26th May 2012, 11:46 AM

Suresh,

I think a of confusion goes away if we have an understanding of our own aesthetics. By this I mean how we perceive BGM should be. Maybe our confusion stems from there.

Yes, there is no single 'right BGM' for the scene. What needs to conveyed can be done in multiple ways but was the BGM effective, was it something inventive or was it the same generic stuff, are some things we need to ask ourselves. For when we are not sure, we can end up thinking Naman Ojha or Murali Vijay have the same class as Tendulkar and Lara. After all there is no one 'correct way' to bat and in some matches they scores runs !!!

sureshmehcnit

26th May 2012, 12:05 PM

Sureshs65 - "By this I mean how we perceive BGM should be." That is the problem for me, you cannot give a single definition for "good background score" is. Depends on too many parameters. Hence the confusion.

V_S

26th May 2012, 09:37 PM

Even "No music" for that scene (in Sethu) might have worked is what I wanted to say, if we are concerned about whether the score is good enough "for the film"
This I don't agree. Tere Naam didn't have music till he sees her. You mean to say, there need not be music even after he sees her? So the entire sequence right from he enters the house till he sees her dead, need not have music? I dont' think you are saying that.

Tere Naam - Climax. Salman walks into Bhoomika’s House. The floor of the empty hall is scattered with flowers and remnants of religious rituals that seemed to have been completed minutes before. The fresh smoke coming out of Yagna Kunda suggests the blazing fire that was put off just minutes before. Everything in sight clearly tells us that some festivities have just happened there and that it could be Bhoomika’s marriage, and this thought troubles Salman, who took so much pain to meet his lady love and prove that he is cured. There is no music played in the background in this scene, not until the suspense is revealed.

Sethu – Climax. The moment Sethu looks at the Yagna Kunda in the middle of the house, the thought is triggered in his mind and Ilaiyaraaja plays a piece on Veena that is stuck between two notes like how Sethu’s mind is stuck oscillating between two thoughts – is she or is she not married. He begins to run inside the house, passes corridors. He hits a door. In the music that plays in the moment when Sethu begins to walk even while recouping from the shock of hitting the door, every single note, every single layer of instrument seem to imply every single thought that crisscross Sethu’s mind at that point. It also intensifies the tension, suspense and gradually leads us to the final bang that hits hard to add to the shock of Sethu and us the audience. There is no music after that.
But, in Tere Naam, though there is no music for the scene that leads to the point of revelation, there is a sentimental, somber alaap played to intensify the pain and squeeze tears out of every one in the audience when Salman cries.

This is what you wrote in your blog.

1. There is music in Sethu when he enters her house, searches for her, till he sees her dead. Once he sees her dead there is no music after that. Is this correct?

2. In Tere Naam, you were saying, there is no music when he enters her house, searches for her, till he sees her dead. Once he sees her dead, there is music. Is this correct?

You are asking which one is correct or preferrable and also putting another question, if Maestro would have done the latter (2), would it not have caused same impact or would we not have appreciated? Is that your question?.

That's where experience counts. Maestro will never do the latter (2). When you are in motion searching for something, the music should tell that, unless you are running with fast footsteps alone can indicate the tension. Here is not running, he is moving fast and also wanted to see her desperately. Why would there be silence? Manasu kedanthu thudikkuthu. Lot of thoughts pouring in his mind. Music has to build that tension and has to reflect his wavering thoughts. There should be music there. Once he sees her dead, he is almost dead (brain dead), definitely there should be silence there. How there will be music if his brain is dead?. If you have music there, you would be killing that scene. I am not saying this, because Maestro has done like that, that would be the normal and preferred way to do.

I don't see any confusion there. Maestro's score is perfect in every sense. That's what I am concluding, since for Maestro it requires same amount of time to compose a song or a score, these instincts and precision automatically comes to him naturally. For others, the time taken to compose a song is much more. Since they were not given same time to the score, there is much possibility that it not be in perfect sync with the mood of the scene/film. Somehow they have to finish it up quickly meeting the deadline. I repeat your words, even though there are many other ways to score, Maestro has always the best/apt way to score.

V_S

26th May 2012, 10:04 PM

Maestro applies the same logic here too. A brilliant example. Please watch this Nayagan video. Nizhalgal Ravi death scene. When everyone comes to him and says 'Don't worry'. Kamal does not understand, but he only guesses there is something wrong. Watch the clip from 5:14. That's when he starts moving, where music starts. The music continues, till he walks his last step towards the body and till he opens the body. Once he opens the body, he stops the music there. But you can hear the wind gushes, clearly. :notworthy: Even after he sees the body, there is no music, only his cry. After giving so much time for this, he takes it higher with the music again. This is how you do and only one way to do it and only Maestro can do it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf_y1f8gscs&feature=relmfu

Bala (Karthik)

26th May 2012, 10:06 PM

If the point intended to be made or question to be asked is (if) people don't care much about BGM anyway, then the next immediate, easy and natural conclusion should be "anything goes" and it doesn't matter all that much for the film. I mean if the inference is "people liked the movie, it was a hit and this means they liked the BGM or the BGM didn't make much of a difference", it beats me why one should take the trouble of deconstructing BGM's scene by scene :confused2: (like i said before, i think the practice of such rigorous deconstruction on a non-technical plane - to the level of santoor plucks indicate heart palpitations etc- is pointless and tedious after a point anyway ).

29th May 2012, 11:07 PM

idhu inga padhivu aayirkka illayaannu theriyala. edhukkum irukkatum.

1396

29th May 2012, 11:37 PM

kr/ysr/bhava?

1397

29th May 2012, 11:42 PM

Another classic shot. suttufied from another theevira raaja bakhthan's collection.

1398

Divine22

30th May 2012, 08:53 PM

Im guessing it's Yuvan, KV :)

V_S

6th June 2012, 06:48 AM

Maestro's masterpiece, not just in recent times. As every one might know by now that this is my closest Maestro albums. I am still waiting for a soundtrack to beat this one and honestly never want to. Add to the songs, when I was watching the film, I knew that I will be in for another bigger treat in the form of background score. No surprises there, but I got a treat much much bigger than I expected. First thanks to the director Bapu for giving Maestro this wonderful opportunity, otherwise, we would not be hearing this masterpiece. Due to my enormous love for this film and its music, I have tried to rip each and every bit of Maestro's music (still may be 5% left, which was too short) which he scored.

Normally the way I approached to rip this background score is not to cut short only musical pieces. I know it will not give us the exact picture and would be treated as another instrumental pieces. Maestro is always different. To show case this genius, I have mostly capture the whole scene with the dialogues, so that the change in the mood, instruments, tempo everything can be felt. Since I saw the movie with sub titles, I could appreciate the score which is appropriate to the mood and the dialogues. It is highly recommended to hear the music in that context. The heart melting sarangi (especially #8, where Rama takes a last glance on Sita the last night when she was sleeping), cellos, will move you into tears. The great pauses and scintillating flute when Sita leaving Ayodhya (#9,#10), followed by scary violins, soulful thumbura and subtle oboe. You have to listen to the variations and the precise timing where he stops the score and restarts. I don't want to kill your surprises. Anyway will have to write in detail, intentionally cutting short my deep passion for later.

The ultimate thing which amazes me is the musicians who played all these moments. They are not from this country. With all the new western instruments, please hear if you can go back to threta yugam, I am sure you will to Ayodhya, the Ashram and its people. That's the beauty of any Maestro's score, but this is very very special. To score such a score for others, it is highly impossible task, even if it possible, it will take decades together to complete this score still it would be just functional, where Maestro completed this in just 2-3 weeks. :notworthy: I have watched the film already 4 times just for the score.

Total of around 90 minutes of score added to 1 hour of songs (not included in this link). This is a complete Maestro package. aLLi parugugunaL thaagam thaniyum varai. I am sure you will never listen to a score like this. Never! :notworthy:

http://www.mediafire.com/?s1k4gmk1j4419ol
http://www.mediafire.com/?c9tkg87zepyr2cb

Please drop in your comments on which one you liked.

PS: End Credit is cut short for 2-3 seconds, don't know why, but my DVD shows full end credit. Will try to fix it soon.