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m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 02:17 AM

Coming back to why Sridhar chose MGR. I think it was all to do with the finacial status of Sridhar. That is what i heard or came across. Some one can correct me if i am wrong.

During that period two of the directors whose movies were always remembered as Director's movie are
1. Sridhar
2. K Balachandar
KB always avoided Shivaji and MGR in his movies except one movie for Shivaji(Ethiroli) and one movie of MGR as dialogue writer. He always felt if he joins with MGR or Shivaji it wont be remembered as his movie.

Due to compulsions Sridhar could not avoid doing movie with MGR. However he did few movies with Shivaji unlike KB.

:)

Wow, I dint know Sridhar did any movie with MGR !!! That's good ... So Urimai Kural was Sridhar's movie huh !!! :D :D

I think KB was involved as dialogue writer in Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban !! :)

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 02:27 AM

Bay MGR did 2 and half movies for Sridhar.
1. Urimai Kural
2. Meenava nanban..

the half movie was Avasara Police 100 of Bhakyaraj. The scenes of MGR was directed by Sridhar originally for some other movie and that movie did not grow up later.

KB did dialogues for only one movie of MGR. that is Theyiva thaai, which is KB's first movie.

Actually for Ulagam Sutrum vaaliban KB was asked by MGR to involve in editing of that movie. After watching the full the movie KB said, each and every scenes are very much inter connected and was wonderfully filmed and said to MGR that he could not edit even a single scene from that movie.
:D

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 02:35 AM

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 02:38 AM

Oh wow ... Meenava Nanban and those sequences in Avasara Police 100 movie of Bagyaraj huh !! :D

And that movie DEIVATHAAY had Moonrezhuthil En Moochirukkum song right !! :D

Thanks for the info .. :)

Yes. 3dreyuthil is from that movie only.

Also the Avasara police info i got from our Joe.

So i am forwarding your thanks to our Joe. :D

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 02:43 AM

Yes. 3dreyuthil is from that movie only.

Also the Avasara police info i got from our Joe.

So i am forwarding your thanks to our Joe. :D

COOL !! :D

joe

25th April 2006, 06:58 AM

Yes. 3dreyuthil is from that movie only.

Also the Avasara police info i got from our Joe.

So i am forwarding your thanks to our Joe. :D

COOL !! :D

The MGR's part in 'Avasara police 100' is from original 'Anna nee en deivam' ,directed by Sridhar ,which became incomplete since MGR became CM.

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 07:02 AM

The MGR's part in 'Avasara police 100' is from original 'Anna nee en deivam' ,directed by Sridhar ,which became incomplete since MGR became CM.
Yes. Here after i wont forget that name :)

joe

25th April 2006, 07:10 AM

Thirumaran,
In avasara police 100 ,MGR part includes one song from original 'Anna nee in deivam'..I couldn't recollect that song composed by MSV (rest of the songs by Bagyaraj).Do you remember the song?

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 07:19 AM

Dont have an idea Joe. :(

Is that intha pachai kilikoru song :?

joe

25th April 2006, 07:21 AM

Thirumaran,
Now I recollect the song.

"Nee nenachathum mazhayadichathu
Kannasanjathum kaaththadichathu"

have you heard this song?

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 07:21 AM

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 07:24 AM

I could have listened to the song. But not even remembering a line. I saw that movie long ago. Never listened to the songs of that movie after that

joe

25th April 2006, 07:31 AM

All 3 MGR movies directed by sridhar are taken during important period of MGR political carrier.

In Urimaikural ,MGR wore DMK veshti througout the movie..In the movie ,there was a misunderstanding between MGR's brother and MGR ..Though the dialogues and songs based on the story ,it also fit for the political climate then.

In the song "Oru thaai vayitril vantha udanpirappil konjam pirivu vanthaal pinpu Uravu varum..nalla manitharukkum nanri maranthavarkkum munpu uravirunthaal pinpu pirivu varum"..through out the song ,it double meaning fit for both story and politics indiretly..In one scene MGR says "Udanpirappu entra intha peyarai Ilappathai ennaal ninaiththu kooda paarkka mudiyavillai",certainly had double meaning.

Sridhar's second movie 'Meenava nanban' was in production during MGR 's ADMK contesting for TN assembly election..Before the movie completed ,MGR became CM and he helped to complete some scenes pending in the last min before he sworn in as CM .

During the song "Neerukku neraai varattum nenjil thunivirunthaal" ..when the line 'Annanin paathayil vetriye kaanalaam" ,we can see ADMK flag behind MGR.

In 'Anna nee in deivam' ,in the song I mentioned earlier 'Nee ninachathum" ,though it is a duet ,it has some lines related to politics.

joe

25th April 2006, 07:33 AM

It starts like EN MAPPILAIKU .... goes on ... and ends like MUTHAADA MUTHAADA AASAI VARUM .. or something like that .. MGR will sing that to his sister's new born son ... (Who grows up to become Bagyaraj) .... :D

Bay thampi,
excellent..This is another song from original..these two songs composed by MSV ,other songs composed by Bagyaraj

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 07:35 AM

joe

25th April 2006, 07:37 AM

All 3 MGR movies directed by MGR are taken during important period of MGR political carrier.

Nice analysis Joe Anna !!! Pls also tell me if Meenava Nanban and MMSP were hits or flops ... TM, pls dont see this post !! :P :P

I corrected my mistake ,It should be Sridhar instead of MGR.

Meenava Nanban was hit ,whereas MMSP was a Flop.

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 07:38 AM

Meenava Nanban was hit ,whereas MMSP was a Flop.

Cool .. Thanks !! :D

Murali Srinivas

25th April 2006, 02:42 PM

Joe,

One small correction regarding your post. Urimaikural was released after ADMK was born.See MGR suspended from DMK on Oct 10 th of 1972, launches ADMK on Oct 17th of 1972. Urimaikural was released in Nov 1974, a clear 2 years after his exit from DMK. Regarding DMK border veshti, though it will look like black & red,there will be a white streak in between. This was also the movie from which MGR started to wear Andhra style of Veshti. Infact UK was itself a remake of Telugu "Dashara Pulludu". In the song you have mentioned,he will sing in the saranam like this,

Kannai Maraikindra Kaalam Varumpothu
Dharmam Veliyeralam; Dharmam Arasalum
Tharunam Varumpothu
Thavaru Veliyeralam
Nallavar Latchiyam
Velvathu Nichyam
Anna andru Sonnar; Endrum
Athuthan Sathiyam

See how he explains his ouster. Another info about Vizhiyae was the song was shot in a normal way in the sands and near the river.Since the situation was also pathos, the picturisation was like this. When the movie was complete,MGR saw the movie and was upset. He felt there is nothing in the movie for his fans. He insisted on a dream song. There was not much time left as release date was announced and Sridhar didn't know what to do. MGR asked him to redo the Vizhiyae song as dream song and sets were erected immediately and the song was shot in 3 days. That's why the BG music for the song is different in the movie version when compared to the Audio record version which was released earlier. You can also see the earlier picturised version's begining and end portion mixed with the dream scene. Another info about this song is, it was actually written by Kannadasan.MGR and Kannadasan were at loggerheads and Sridhar for sentimental reasons wanted KD to penn atleast one song. In the records, the credit for the lyric was given to Vaali.When MGR heard the song ( In a rare gesture, he had given Sridhar the liberty to finalise the song without his presence) he immediately told Sridhar that this not Vaali, it should be KD. Sridhar accepted and in the susequent audio records, the error was corrected.

Regards

PS:It is another irony that Sridhar who braved even MGR to include atleast one KD song went after Vaali/IR combo in Ilamai Oonjaladukirathu later even when KD was alive.

joe

25th April 2006, 03:17 PM

Murali,
Thanks for the info,but still I have a doubt ,since I keenly watched if it all any white in between black and red..I couldn't find one..The dialogues also seems like MGR's osillation in DMK ,as I mentioned the dialogue of 'Udanpirappu',so I thought MGR was still in DMK during the production of this movie..Anyway,I need to verify again.

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 07:19 PM

nilavupriyan

25th April 2006, 07:21 PM

how abt the success of .G.R movies after he resigned from D.M.K

joe

25th April 2006, 07:28 PM

how abt the success of .G.R movies after he resigned from D.M.K

These are the movies

118) 1973 Ulagam Sutrum Valiban -Mega Hit
119) 1973 Pattikattu Ponnaiya -Average
120) 1974 Netru Intru Nalai -Average
121) 1974 Urimaikkural -Hit
122) 1974 Sirithu Vazhavendum -Average
123) 1975 Ninaithathai Mudipavan -?
124) 1975 Naalai Namathe -Hit
125) 1975 Idaya Kani -Hit
126) 1975 Pallandu Vazhga -Average
127) 1976 Neethikku Thalaivanangu -?
128) 1976 Uzhaikkum Karangal -Hit
129) 1976 Oorukku Uzhaippavan -?
130) 1977 Navaratnam -Flop (guess)
131) 1977 Intru Pol Entrum Vazhga -?
132) 1977 Meenava Nanban -Hit
133) 1978 Madurai Meeta Sundrapandian -Flop

nilavupriyan

25th April 2006, 07:31 PM

joe..im asking abt the success!

how many of them are hits!

joe

25th April 2006, 07:32 PM

joe..im asking abt the success!

how many of them are hits!
Pls chk again

nilavupriyan

25th April 2006, 07:35 PM

thanks joe!

but i feel during that perion shivaji overtook M.G.R in cine field!

or rajni-kamal combination took over the cine field?

joe

25th April 2006, 07:46 PM

thanks joe!

but i feel during that perion shivaji overtook M.G.R in cine field!

or rajni-kamal combination took over the cine field?

In my opnion till MGR in the field ,both sivaji and MGR are in the same level ..nobody over took others.

After MGR quit ,Sivaji still dominated until late 70's .After than Rajini -kamal started to rule!

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 07:46 PM

Regarding the movies in that period,

Naetru Indru Naalai was a flop - Probably one of the few movies of MGR ended in loss. Producer -- Asokan

Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban -- Came after lots of difficulties, was a smash hit all across the Tamil nadu.

Idayakani - Mega hit, Ran for around 17 weeks in Satyam Theatre Chennai. A record i think during that period.

Madurayai Meeta Sundara Pandiyan -- Average. It ran for 100 days in chennai. However they could not make much profit as it was a hight budget movie.

The rest are fine in the list by Joe. The question marked movies are average.

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 07:57 PM

Joe and Murali Srinivas

Wherever you both are present ....... great memory !

Thirumaran

I think Netru indru naalai was a success only but Asokan suffered a lot financially . somehow managed to recover his investment

BUT THE SONGS ARE TERRIFIC

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 08:08 PM

Thirumaran

I think Netru indru naalai was a success only but Asokan suffered a lot financially . somehow managed to recover his investment

BUT THE SONGS ARE TERRIFIC

Oh. Ok. :)

Yes the movie had great songs.

Paadum boathu naan thendral kaatru,
Paruva Mangayo thennan geetru 8-)

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 08:15 PM

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 08:21 PM

Thirumaran

you have picked the best of the lot Paadumbodhu naan .

Its from SPB ! solo

there are other lovely songs :

1. Nee ennenna sonaalum kavidhay
2. Naan padithen kanjiyilay ( kolgai parappu paadal )
3. Angay varuvadhu yaaro
4. Innoru vaanam

Yes Balaji.
Nee ennanna Sonnaalum Kavithai,
Unnai engengu thotaalum inimai..

Is also a wonderful song. Actually i was not sure abt the movie of this song..

Then again,

Thambi,
Naan Padithaen Kaachiyilae naetru,
Athai Naan unakku solltumaa indru..
Endrum Nallavarku vaazhvu varaum naalai..
Ithu arignar anna ezhuthi vaitha Oalai..

that was also a wonderful song. :D

The other songs i could not recollect :(

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 08:26 PM

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 08:38 PM

Thirumaran

even in this movie also there were punch dialogues on Mukaa and his governance

somebody will ask him enna kanakku ellam sariyaa irukka ?

In this movie MG acts as a scavenger from a downtrodden society and brings them up successfully !

MG movies always had a positive end ( also starting with a positive beginning mostly )

:P

The positive thinking was one of the main reason for MGR's Popularity. Always have some social message either though the movie or atleast in one song.
No Smoking or boosing. No offense against ladies or handicapped.

Probably the only movie he came like a drunkard was Oli vilakku.

Dairiya maaga sol nee manithan thaanaa

:)

soorya

25th April 2006, 08:41 PM

[quote=S.Balaji]Thirumaran

Thambi,
Naan Padithaen Kaachiyilae naetru,
Athai Naan unakku solltumaa indru..
Endrum Nallavarku vaazhvu varaum naalai..
Ithu arignar anna ezhuthi vaitha Oalai..

:(

This has the line which used by people against Mu Kaa still....

Makkal nalam makkal nalam endrey solluvaar.....
Than makkal nalam ondrey thaan manathil koLLuvaar.......

and.....

Oru naal intha nilamaikkellaam maaruthal varum
Antha maaruthalay seithu vaikka THEIRUTHAL(election) varum..

I think Vaali penned this song.... :thumbsup:

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 08:42 PM

Yes Surya..

that song was penned by Vaali only, an underestimated Lyrics writer :(

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 08:51 PM

those days Makkal thilagam had 3 writers :

1. valee
2. Pulamai pithan
3. muthu lingam

You will not be able to identify who penned the lyrics ! especially valee whose at times was mistaken to be of Kavignar's !

yes Thirumaran......valee was grossly underestimated....

interestingly, he is still around with the same youth in his lyrics ! ( remember devuda devuda )

and enna vilai azagay of ARR in kadhalar dhinam

soorya

25th April 2006, 08:55 PM

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 09:02 PM

Soorya,
Enga veetu pillai came in 1965. If you would have watched the movie you could see MGR's voice was normal in that movie. He was shot on his throat during 1967. And came out from DMK at 1972.

Balaji,
Yes. There are so many intersting songs of Vaali, which is hard to believe that a man who crossed 60 years had written it..

Muquabla song..
Konja naal poru thalaivaa.. :thumbsup:

But sad part is that he involved even in some stupid songs like...
Eppadi Eppadi .. :(

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 09:08 PM

Thirumaran and others

one small digression

Valee was asked by someone once :

neenga mettuketha paatuu ezudhuveengalaa

illa paatuketha mettu ezudhuveengalaa

and pat came the reply from valee :

DHUDUUKETHA PAATU

and thats valee !!

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 09:12 PM

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 09:42 PM

Soorya,
Enga veetu pillai came in 1965. If you would have watched the movie you could see MGR's voice was normal in that movie. He was shot on his throat during 1967. And came out from DMK at 1972.
:(

Thirumaran

though this movie came well before he was out from DMK, just read the lines of NAAN AANAYITAAL :

NAAN AANAIYITAAL ...ADHU NADANDHU VITAAL INGU EZAIGAL VEDHANAI PADAMATAAR ...UYIR ULLAVARAI ORU THUNBAM ILLAI AVAR KANEER KADALILAY VIZA MAATAAR ( about his future plans ?)

ORU THAVARU SEIDHAAL ADHAI THERINDHU SEIDHAAL AVAN DEVAN ENDRAALUM VIDA MAATEN ( probably mukaa and his governance ?? )

ORU KALAM YEN KADAMAI VARUM INDHA KAYAVAR KOOTATHAI OZIPPEN
PODHU NEEDHIYILAY PUDHU PAADHAYILAY VARUM NALOOR MUGATHILAY VIZIPEN !!

this makes me wonder whether he already had some hidden agenda !!

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 09:50 PM

Thirumaran

though this movie came well before he was out from DMK, just read the lines of NAAN AANAYITAAL :

NAAN AANAIYITAAL ...ADHU NADANDHU VITAAL INGU EZAIGAL VEDHANAI PADAMATAAR ...UYIR ULLAVARAI ORU THUNBAM ILLAI AVAR KANEER KADALILAY VIZA MAATAAR ( about his future plans ?)

ORU THAVARU SEIDHAAL ADHAI THERINDHU SEIDHAAL AVAN DEVAN ENDRAALUM VIDA MAATEN ( probably mukaa and his governance ?? )

ORU KALAM YEN KADAMAI VARUM INDHA KAYAVAR KOOTATHAI OZIPPEN
PODHU NEEDHIYILAY PUDHU PAADHAYILAY VARUM NALOOR MUGATHILAY VIZIPEN !!

this makes me wonder whether he already had some hidden agenda !!

Balaji,
I too believe he would have definetly had some long term plan when he started become famous. May not be exactly like becoming CM. May be something like a Kingmaker. The above bolded lines were just accidental which came true in later days to a certain extent. During that time he was having a huge respect towards Anna and MK.

One more song which accidently came true for MGR.

tharmam thalaikaakum,
thakka samayathil uyir kaakum,
kooda irunthae kuzhi parithaalum,
koduthathu kaathu nirkumm..

As per the lines his generosity only i think saved his life two times..
Once when he was shot in his throat.
Other when he was very serious and admitted in America.

:)

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 09:57 PM

Also, they've made some SERIOUS changes to the lyrics of that song ...

* It used to be "Oru Kaalam Varum, En kadamai varum, intha Kaakaigal kootathai ozhipaen" ..... Now it's ""Oru Kaalam Varum, En kadamai varum, intha KOOTATHIN AATATHAI ozhipaen"

* The order of these lines in the 2 stanzas are changed .... It used to be

Ingu oomaigal yengavum unmaigal thoongavum naanaa paarthirupaen

Oru thalaiavan undu avan kolgai undu athai eppothum kaathirupaen

Oru kaalam Varum ..... and then it follows ....

But now, they've swapped the lines in between the two stanzas ..

Ingu oomaigal yengavum unmaigal thoongavum naanaa paarthirupaen

Oru thalaiavan undu avan kolgai undu athai eppothum kaathirupaen

Munbu yesu vanthaar, pibu Gandhi vanthaar, intha maanidar thirunthida piranthaar .....

It's sooooo funny, cos there is no relationship at all or connectivity between the lines .... They talk abt Oomaigal and then Maanidar Thirunthida ??? :oops: :evil: :oops:

Anybody have any idea why they swapped it ?? Similarly in the first stanza, they now talk abt Ooraar Kaal pidipaar, and then say Oru Kaalam alam varum en kadamai varum etc etc ... :o :shock: :o

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 09:59 PM

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 10:02 PM

Mannnn

I can never forget those days when he was hospitalised in Apollo Chennai..........
it was utter chaos and anarchy
R.M.Veerappan ( satya movies ) took charge in brief and ran the elections while MG was in sick bed in Brooklyn

Dr. Pratap C Reddy of Apollo would have heaved a sigh of relief when MG was moved to US...

IF SOMETHING WRONG HAD HAPPENED TO HIM IN APOLLO .....I bet Apollo would have got hospitalised !

And they used to play Aandavanae un paathangalai naan kaneeril neeraatunean song from OLI VILAKKU in every Tea stall in TN .... The catch phrase of ADMK during that election used to be, "Naangal paduthukondae jaipom" ..... :lol:

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 10:04 PM

Bayarea

I think the entire song itself it worth a research material now !

Probably Murali Srinivas or Joe can throw some light on the changes

I have also heard about PUDHIYA VAANAM

From UDAYA SOORIYANIN PAARVAYILAY

to PUDHIYA SOORIYANIN PAARVAYILAY

m_23_bayarea

25th April 2006, 10:05 PM

S.Balaji

25th April 2006, 10:10 PM

Bayarea

true ....aandavanay un paadhangalai was the catch song and election song for admk during that phase...
While mukaa was vociferously shouting on top of the world that MG cannot speak , cannot walk cannot do anything .....

all of a sudden a video clipping came from Brooklyn and it was flashed in Doordharshan and all ADMK election vans showing MG in hospital showing V

and this created waves amongst the tn voters and the rest was history

indeed it was a remarkable come back of MG which lasted for 3 years

and finally when he landed in meenambaakam airport he was given a grand reception and on seeing the ocean of a crowd, unable to control emotions, he cried .... i still remember this

Thirumaran

25th April 2006, 11:36 PM

Bayarea

true ....aandavanay un paadhangalai was the catch song and election song for admk during that phase...
While mukaa was vociferously shouting on top of the world that MG cannot speak , cannot walk cannot do anything .....

Actually on that election mukaa went in extend of saying that, If MGR comes back with full health he will hand over the rule to MGR. Hence asking the people to vote for him.

Coming to songs..

Also there was a line in...
Nalla Nalla Pillagalai nambi song..
....
Maedayil Muzhangu Thiru.Vi.ka poal.. in the movie.
Actually the line was
Maedayil Muzhangu Arignar Anna Poal..
..
All to do with the ruler at that time.. :)

soorya

26th April 2006, 12:21 AM

I read in some article that even Naan Aanayittaal... song had the starting line like this.....

Naan arasan(King) endraal... en aatchi(Govt.) endraal..... intha aezhaigal vethanai pada maattaar...

Then MGR asked Vaali to change the line, it seems.

Not sure.....

Thirumaran

26th April 2006, 12:36 AM

Soorya,
That is a new info for me :)

However i am posting the song naan aanai ittal. I was trying to recollect fully..

Missed few lines. Some lines may not be perfect too.. some one can correct..

Naan aanai ittaal,
athu nadanthu vittal,
ingu yaezhaigal vaethanai padamaataar,
uyir ullavarai oru thunbam illai,
avar kanneer kadalilae vizhamaataar..
avar kanneer kadalilae vizhamaataar..

Oru Thavaru seythaal athai therinthu seythaal,
avan Devan endraalum vida maataen,
Udal Uzhaikka seyvaen athil pizhaikka seyvaen,
avar urimai porulgalai thoda maataen..

Ingu yaezhaigal yaengavum unmaigal thoongavum,
naanaa paarthirupaen..
Oru kaalam varum en kadamai varum,
athai eppoathum (ethir)paarthirupaen..
..............
...........

silar aasaikkum thaevaikkum vaazhvukkum vasadhikkum,
Oooraar kaal pidipaar,
Oru maana millai athil eena millai,
avar eppoathum vaal pidipaar..
munbu yaesu vanthaar pinbu gandhi vanthaar,
intha maanidar thirunthida piranthaar..
ivar thiruntha villai manam varuntha villai..
antha maelor sonnathai maranthaar..

m_23_bayarea

26th April 2006, 02:13 AM

joe

26th April 2006, 07:39 AM

ORU THAVARU SEIDHAAL ADHAI THERINDHU SEIDHAAL AVAN DEVAN ENDRAALUM VIDA MAATEN ( probably mukaa and his governance ?? )

ORU KALAM YEN KADAMAI VARUM INDHA KAYAVAR KOOTATHAI OZIPPEN
PODHU NEEDHIYILAY PUDHU PAADHAYILAY VARUM NALOOR MUGATHILAY VIZIPEN !!

this makes me wonder whether he already had some hidden agenda !!

Actually these lines pointed to then congress govt and MGR represents DMK ..But after MGR quit DMK ,it fitted for DMK

joe

26th April 2006, 07:47 AM

Many here pointed out many MGR songs with political shade when he was in DMK ..had a hidden agenda..But surprisingly one MGR song directly praised MU.ka ..That is "Naan seththu pizhachavanda" from 'Engal thangam'

In this song there is a line "Oodum rayilil thalaivaiththu ,thamizh maanam kaakka..(?)..valarntha jaathiyada..athnaal tholvi illayada" ,which directly denotes Mu.ka 's kallakudi protest.

Ofcourse this movie produced by MU.Ka family 'Megala pictures' and dialogue by Late Central minister Murasoli Maran.

During the production of the movie,Arinjar anna passed away

joe

26th April 2006, 07:51 AM

One more censored line from MGR song..

'Nenjam undu nermai undu" from 'En Annan"

The original line
"Athil neethi varavillai enil VaaLai uyarththu"

changed to

"Athil neethi unnai theedi varum maalai thoduththu"

But you can see the original from MGR's lip movement.

joe

26th April 2006, 12:18 PM

Oru kaalam varum en kadamai varum,
athai eppoathum (ethir)paarthirupaen..
..............
...........

ஒரு காலம் வரும் என் கடமை வரும்
இந்த கூட்டத்தின் ஆட்டத்தை ஒழிப்பேன்
பொது நீதியிலே புதுப்பாதையிலே
வரும் நல்லோர் முகத்திலே விழிப்பேன்!

Murali Srinivas

26th April 2006, 05:35 PM

Thanks Thirumaran.

Joe,Balaji & other friends,

Let me add some thing to what you have already said. Before that in your list of MGR films from 1973, shall I take the liberty to correct something?

1973- Pattikattu Ponniah- Flop

1975- Naalai Namadhe- Flop. This remake of Yadon Ki Baarat fell flat on it's face inspite of advertisising it as MGR's 125th movie. To offset the loss of this and the average N.Mudippavan which was released before NN, Idhyakani was released immediately.

NM- 09.05.1975
NN- 04.07.1975
IK- 22.08.1975

1976- N.T.Vanagu- Ave
U.Karangal - Flop
U.Uzhaipavan - Flop

Thirumaran,did MMSP had a 100 day run in Chennai? Because it ran max in our Madurai, which was always said to be a MGR citadel and there itself it ran for 75 days only. This was the first MGR movie that had just a 35 day run in Tiruchy.

Regards

Murali Srinivas

26th April 2006, 06:02 PM

Regarding MGR's Hidden Agenda, peple normally think that he started after Annadurai's death or after DMK came to power.But for me he had this agenda right from the 50's, even when Annadurai was alive and DMK was just in the opposition. Take for example Nadodi Mannan,that was released in 1958. In that MGR had talked about governance and the priorities of a government, MGR himself while replying to the Budget Discussions in 1978 (his first Budget) said that NM itself was my answer to all opposition charges,as it covered everything. In that movie, his minister would be talking about socialism when the villain group Thalapathis will ask "appothu ungal aatchiyil panakkararkalae irrukkamaataarkala?" to which MGR will reply "Thavaru, Ezhaikalae irrukkamaataarkal". Then he will go on to say"Neengal Maaligaiyil nindrukondu Makkalai parkeereerkal. Naan Makkalodu Makkalaga nindru parkiren." Whenever he had a chance he used it,like in Paasam,in the song "Ulagam Piranththu Enakkaga" there will be a saranam like
Thavazhum Inamam Thanga Ratham
Tharakai Patitha Mani Makudam
Uyirgal Vaazhum Kaalaikoodam
Kodathu Enathu Arasangam

In Panam Padaithavan (1963) he will go to Calcutta to represent TamilNadu in Tennis and when he wins, the person who gives him the prize will say "Unga Vetri Tamizharkalin Vetri". This dialogue will get a thundering applause after 1972,when the DMK people accused him of being a Malayalee. This shows how he had a foresight.In the same movie,in the song 'Kaan Pona Pokkile" Vaali in just 2 lines would encapsulate the entire phenomenon called MGR
Irunthalum Marainthalum Per Solla Vendum
Ivar Pole Yaar Endru Oor Solla Vendum.

In Panakkara Kudumbam (1964) in the song "Ondru Engal Jaathiye",he will sing "Engal Aatchi Endrum Naalai Intha Mannile" which again was a clever insertion.

To be contd

Thirumaran

26th April 2006, 07:14 PM

Thirumaran,did MMSP had a 100 day run in Chennai? Because it ran max in our Madurai, which was always said to be a MGR citadel and there itself it ran for 75 days only. This was the first MGR movie that had just a 35 day run in Tiruchy.
Regards
It did ran 100 days in chennai. I think that movie was released when MGR was in power. Since all the other movies where MGR officially involved in direction were hits this also ran(made to run probably) for 100 days. However these things i came across only. I dont have any valid proofs for any box office status for the movies from past generation.
However ur logic does not fit for me. Agreed that Madurai is MGR's strong hold comparing to other places. Does not mean that maximum run for all his movies should be in Madurai only? I may be wrong also.
:) thanks for giving those infos..
:D

Murali Srinivas

26th April 2006, 07:37 PM

MGR- Political Agenda contd
In Enga Veetu Pillai, you people were talking about the obvious Naan Anaiyittal song. But in the very first song "Kankalum Kaavadi ", iin the movie if you notice, the last line of the first saranam will be like this
"Naadalem Unnai Kandu Pugazh Paadatum". This line will be repeated twice.In the first instance the camera will focus on Tamizh Thai Silai and the second time camera will closeup on MGR.In the same way in the second saranam, the last line will be
"Unnalae Makkal Ennam Niraiveratum" and the camera positions will be ditto.
In Padagotti (1964) again as it is obvious to all he will even come with the Black/Red costume and the dialogues were again tailor made.(eg) while arguing with Nambiar regarding the handing over of signed/thumb impressed documents which would have been pledged,Nambiar will ask " yaarkitte vanthu enna pesaraeinu theriyutha onakku?'' for which MGR will reply" Nalla Theriyume,en Makkalite vanthu avanga ariyamaiyai payanpaduthi kollai adikiravangakitte pesituiruken". This again he used effectively after 1972.
Again in Ayirathil Oruvan (1965) his role itself will be designed as a Thalaivar fighting for the rights of the slaves.The famous dialogue which is still used widely is the argument b/w MGR & Nambiar.
Nambiar " Madham Konda Yaanai enna seiyum theriyuma?''
MGR " Sinam Konda Singathidam Thotru Odum"
Nambiar " Tholviye ariyathavan Naan"
MGR " THOLVIYAI ETHIRIKKU PARISALITHE PAZHAKIYAVAN NAAN "
you can imagine the situation in the theatre during this scene.

In Naan Anaiyital (1966) movie, in the song " Pirantha Idam Thedi " , the second line will be
" Un Thiruvadi Thamarai Thodangiya Paathayil DESAM nanmai peruga". Incidentally I saw the movie in Aug 1979 and that was the time AIADMK had joined the Central Ministry headed by Charan Singh and that was the first time a non-Congress person from TN had become a Central Minister (Bala Pazhanoor & Sathiyavani Muthu were inducted). You can imagine the reaction in the theatre.

After the DMK came to power, he started doing it openly and here also many dialogues that were meant for the villains in the movies actually helped him when he founded ADMK. Though many will say it is mere coincidence,I for one always believed that he had political power in his mind. He planned it in such a way that people who had heard and seen all this in screen readily accepted him when it came to the crunch.
You take Adimai Penn, Cho will be tied to a tree and when MGR's people start to beat him, MGR will intervene and set him free. Cho will say "Thalaivarina ippadille irukkanaum, sonnevudane thondarkal ketkaranga".
In Nam Naadu, Vaangaiya Vathiyaraiya song, full and full was about his political ambitions.When you listen to
" Annanin Thambi Unmai Thozhan
Ezhaikku Thalaivan Neengaliyya" is a glistening proof that MGR had set his eyes on the throne. Remember Annadurai passed away in Feb 1969 and NN was released in Nov 1969 (Deepavali), when MuKa was the CM. In the same song the lines
"Poyyum Purattum Thunaiyaikondu Pizhaithavarellam Ponanga
Moolaikku Moolai Thooki Erinthum Thalaikunivaga Ananga"
again helped him after 1972. Again the last saranam of this song will end like this
"Oorukku Uzhaithalae Ezhai Urimaiyai Mathithale
Perumaikal Thedi Varum Thane Padhavikal Naadi Varum"

Again for his Dheerga Dharisanam, another example that comes to my mind is the song "Angae Siripavarkal Sirikattum" in Rickshawkaran. The movie was released in 1971 May and MGR was very much in DMK. When he came out, this song became handy and two incidents I remember in TN politics when this song assumed gigantic proportion were, when his first govt was dismissed in 1980, in the wake of electoral loss in Parliament elections which saw the return of Indira Gandhi to Power. This song was played everywhere and we could see the impact ( Infact as an avid NT fan,I had grudgingly seen the truimph of MGR which I could take only with the pinch of salt at that time). The second instance was 5 years back, in 2001 (same election period as of now),when JJ's nominations were rejected and she effectively used this song to the hilt that Rathathin Rathangal simply went berserk in her meetings during that election campaign and the song scene was played on Jaya TV repeatedly on the day results came out. I just wonder about the lines
"Thotam Kakka Potta Veli Payirai thinpatho
Athai Kelvi Ketka Alilamal Paarthu Nirpatho
Naan Oru Kai Parkiren Neram Varum Ketkiren
Poonai alla Pulithan ena Poga Poga Kattukiren"
How well this suited for his campaign. In the same manner the song " Kashmir Beautiful Kashmir" in Idhya Veenai was written in 1970 and picturised in 70 itself. This movie was released on 20th Oct,1972. MGR who was suspended on 10th Oct '72 started ADMK on 17th Oct '72. This song contained two lines
"Ellorukkum Vazhi Katta Naan Irukiren
Vandharai Varaverka Kathirukiren"

See how these lines were useful to him. Another dialogue in Idhyakani,may be that was coincidental but still I would like to point out how his dialogues can be relevant to any circumstance. In Idyakani, MGR as a police officer will arrest Radha Saluja on a murder charge.Pandari Bai, his mother will object. Cut to the time July 1st week of 2001.This movie was released in Madurai Meenakshi Talkies. I had been to the movie as one of my friends insisted on me accompanying him. If you remember, MuKa, Maran & TR Balu were arrested on June 30th and everyone will be aware of the reactions.There was a debate going on whether Police had the rights to arrest Central Ministers. Now again cut to Idhyakani arrest scene. After lot of arguments Panadaribai will say " En Marumagalai kaithu seyyavo,ingeirunthu kondupogavo naan vidamatten" to which MGR will reply" Police-ar avanga kadamaiyai seyyumpothu thadukiravanga yaara irunthalum sari, avangalaiyum kaidhu seyya vendrikkum". You will not believe, the whole theatre simply erupted and " Puratchi Thalaivar Vaazhga" & " Puratchi Thalaivi Vaazhga" simply rent the air for quite some time.

So for me MGR was a clever strategist, master of Marketing and one who planned every move and succeded to the T. As one of the friends had pointed out, the lines in Naan Padichen Kanchiyele

Makkal Nalam Makkal Nalam Endre Solluvar; Tham
Makkal Nalam Ondre Than Manathil Kolluvar

though written in 1974 still remains the eternal truth in TN Politics.

Regards

Thirumaran

26th April 2006, 08:40 PM

Srinivas,
Nice posts. I too agree MGR could have thought about coming to power before starting ADMK itself. As you mentioned, he was
definetly a clever strategist and master of Marketing.

Howeever i dont think he would have thought abt coming to power in earlier stage itself.

Take for example Nadodi Mannan,that was released in 1958. In that MGR had talked about governance and the priorities of a government, MGR himself while replying to the Budget Discussions in 1978 (his first Budget) said that NM itself was my answer to all opposition charges,as it covered everything. In that movie, his minister would be talking about socialism when the villain group Thalapathis will ask "appothu ungal aatchiyil panakkararkalae irrukkamaataarkala?" to which MGR will reply "Thavaru, Ezhaikalae irrukkamaataarkal". Then he will go on to say"Neengal Maaligaiyil nindrukondu Makkalai parkeereerkal. Naan Makkalodu Makkalaga nindru parkiren."

This just fitted the scenario in 1978. We can see the dialogue aptly suited for the story of Nadodi Mannan Too.

Whenever he had a chance he used it,like in Paasam,in the song "Ulagam Piranththu Enakkaga" there will be a saranam like
Thavazhum Inamam Thanga Ratham
Tharakai Patitha Mani Makudam
Uyirgal Vaazhum Kaalaikoodam
Kodathu Enathu Arasangam

Once again just a coincident. It can be taken as a normal man's dream which MGR was in that movie.

In the same movie,in the song 'Kaan Pona Pokkile" Vaali in just 2 lines would encapsulate the entire phenomenon called MGR
Irunthalum Marainthalum Per Solla Vendum
Ivar Pole Yaar Endru Oor Solla Vendum.

Not necessarily that one can be remembered only if he comes to power. It may talk abt his achivement in Movies or his generosity
or something else too.

In Panakkara Kudumbam (1964) in the song "Ondru Engal Jaathiye",he will sing "Engal Aatchi Endrum Naalai Intha Mannile" which again was a clever insertion.

Engal aatchi that time points to DMK, then in later suited for ADMK too.

Nambiar " Madham Konda Yaanai enna seiyum theriyuma?''
MGR " Sinam Konda Singathidam Thotru Odum"
Nambiar " Tholviye ariyathavan Naan"
MGR " THOLVIYAI ETHIRIKKU PARISALITHE PAZHAKIYAVAN NAAN "
you can imagine the situation in the theatre during this scene.

Yes. We can imagine what could have been the situation in theatre. Once again it suited that, after coming to power he was never defeated. However i dont think that dialogue was an extra fit for that movie. It suits for the situation and the movie too.

I would say he would have thought of becoming CM when he was shot in his throat and the kind of popularity he could have realised
during that time.
And Once DMK came to power in 1967 he could have probably started waiting for his time.
Till before that his movies and songs have a pinch of DMK support.
There are several things(songs and scenes) in his movies somehow suited him in the later days.

For example..

the lines

Kooda iruntahe Kuzhi parithaalum,
Koduthathu kaathu nirkum..

I can fit these lines with the incident of MR Radha with MGR(Shot in throat).
In tamil we say a word Theerkatharisi. Probably MGR may come under that category.

However it was very clear that after he came out of DMK, every movie he took had political dialogues againk DMK or used as political propaganda for ADMK.

:)

S.Balaji

26th April 2006, 08:46 PM

Murali Srinivas

yet another outstanding post ...... this time about Makkal thilagam !

WHICH PROMPTS ME TO CALL YOU AS ENCYLOPAEDIA ON TAMIL FILMS ( NOT ONLY NT )

Amazing is your memory power and while going through, I could get a live flash back of what actually happened those years !

As a hardcore Nadigar thilagam fan, I was also stunned by MG's electoral achievements ( without any bias or prejudice ) and his systematic approach and strategies made to reach the throne !

True, he was a master strategist , excellent in presenting himself, positioned himself well as the champion of poor and successfully dethrowned a VETERAN AND SEASONED POLITICIAN LIKE MUKAA....

its not so easy to tackle Mukaa as by the time MG moved out, the DMK was very well established with all the mandrams, kilaigal....deep into every village...nook and corner of TN

gathering mass support is not easy as we think........

I think the by election in Dhindugal brought MG to the focus in politics and people started taking him with all seriousness

Hats off to your posts

keep up the good work in both the threads

joe

27th April 2006, 07:30 AM

Murali,
Outstanding posts! :D

I heard many people used to say ,MGR fullfiled and justified as his songs ,except one " enakkoru magan pirappan..avan ennai polave iruppan..."

Murali Srinivas

27th April 2006, 12:37 PM

S.Balaji

27th April 2006, 01:06 PM

Murali,
Outstanding posts! :D

I heard many people used to say ,MGR fullfiled and justified as his songs ,except one " enakkoru magan pirappan..avan ennai polave iruppan..."

Joe dear ........MGR adopted one son .......infact those days family planning was vigorously pushed by the Government and I remember in one programme MG started by saying :

KUDUMBA KATTUPAATIRKU ENNAI VIDA ORU UDHAARANAM IRUKKA MUDIYAADHU

and then he went on with the topic ......

Thirumaran

27th April 2006, 05:18 PM

Srinivas,
Thanks for that clarification. Probably You could be right. At that time when the MMSP movie released i was just few months old. :P
I kept the info i heard. I could be wrong.
Anyhow you have a great memory :D

Thirumaran

27th April 2006, 07:20 PM

AIADMK leader M.G. Ramachandran and Kannada actor Rajkumar shared a great admiration for each other

Two towering film personalities, who held sway over their fans in two States of the South, are no more today. But, more than 35 years after both were framed in a photograph, the memories of their contribution to the development of the film industry in the South remain etched in people's minds.

For, the two legendary actors M.G. Ramachandran, former Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, and Rajkumar, who passed away on Wednesday in Bangalore, were symbols of amity and friendship between the two States, which are at loggerheads over the issue of sharing the Cauvery waters.

A rare photograph that forms part of the collection with Padmanabha, a goldsmith from Mysore, shows the affection and mutual admiration the two legendary actors had for each other. A great fan and admirer of MGR, the photograph in the possession of Mr. Padmanabha shows MGR planting a kiss on Mr. Rajkumar's cheeks, a gesture that spoke about the unity among artistes irrespective of their linguistic background.

See the photo in the link..
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/04/13/stories/2006041315100400.htm

A very rare one.

Kannada film industry veterans recall the visits of MGR as an actor to Mysore, especially to the famous Premier Studio.

m_23_bayarea

27th April 2006, 08:40 PM

See the photo in the link..
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/04/13/stories/2006041315100400.htm

A very rare one.

Very nice one ... I have seen a similar kissing pic where Sivaji kisses MGR !!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It used to be in Sivaji-prabhu.com or something like that ... Their homepage ... Doesnt exist anymore I think ... :cry: :cry:

Raikkonen

9th May 2006, 08:56 PM

The height of emotional response that 'MGR' could evoke was evident when in 1987 during a critical illness, 22 people committed suicide in the hope their deaths would save him! Stories of poor people selling their blood in order to get money to see his films on first release are legendary!

Born Marudur Gopalamenon Ramachandran in Kandy, Sri Lanka, his family moved to Tamil Nadu where they lived in poverty. When he was 6, he joined a theatre group - the Madurai Original Boys. Here he picked up acting, dancing and swordplay.

MGR made his screen debut in Ellis R. Duncan's Sati Leelavathi (1936) but his first major breakthrough came much, much later with Rajakumari (1947).

Memorable Films

Rajakumari
(1947)

Marmayogi
(1951)

Andaman Kaithi
(1952)

Malaikallan
(1954)

Alibabavum 40
Thirudargalum
(1955)

Madurai Veeran
(1956)

Chakravarthi Thirumagal
(1957)

Nadodi Mannan
(1958)

Arasilankumari
(1961)

Periya Idathu Penn
(1963)

Ayirathil Oruvan
(1965)

Thaikku Thalaimagan
(1967)

Kanavan
(1968)

Pudhiya Bhoomi
(1968)

Mattukkara Velan
(1969)

Nam Naadu
(1969)

Engal Thangam
(1970)

Ulagam Sutrum Valiban
(1973)

Vathyar is a techincal genius... Look at his eyes man... I mean the power....
MGR's 1950s screen persona in adventure films constructed an image of political as well as physical invincibility. Often the themes of his films were derived from heroic ballads which are part of the oral tradition of rural Tamil Nadu. For example - Madurai Veeran (1956), one of his most popular films, is based on the legend of Madurai Veeran, a popular deity of Southern Tamil Nadu. His legend has been the subject of various ballads and plays and this was the second filmed version of the story.

In the 1960s MGR turned to more 'realistic' fantasies mostly in a contemporary setting often playing someone from the oppressed class - a peasant, taxi driver or fisherman. For millions of fans, his image as the knight in shining armour, saving damsels in distress and being totally dutiful towards his mother was in fact a reality. Mother tongue, motherland and motherhood were what he based his popularity on. To quote M.S.S. Pandian in The Image Trap: M.G. Ramachandran in Film and Politics...

"The social universe of the MGR is a universe of asymmetrical power.......The conflict between the upper caste/ class oppressors and MGR as a subaltern, and its resolution forms the core of the film. MGR, in the course of the conflict, appropriates several signs or symbols of authority or power from those who dominate."

MGR used food, colour patterns (black and red, symbols of the DMK) and masquerades (often through double roles of oppressor and oppressed) to construct this universe. In Engal Thangam (1970) for example, MGR playing a truck driver Thangam, fights, sings, cares for the poor and preaches against smoking and drinking. The DMK colours - black and red are frequently featured in the clothes he wears. He even appears as himself in the opening scene at a Small Savings Function. Thangam is in the audience and even refers to him as 'vathiyar' (teacher), the reverent title by which he was known to his fans!

MGR had joined the DMK party in 1953 and remained its member till 1972. This included a brief stint in the Madras Legislative Council from 1962 - 64, being a member of the Legislative Assembly (1967) when the party won the state elections and the DMK Treasurer (1970).

He fell out with the DMK chief Karunanidhi and used the DMK's propaganda idiom against the DMK itself in Nam Naadu (1969). In 1972 he set up the rival Anna - DMK party claiming allegiance to the DMK's founder, the late Annadurai.

In 1977, his party renamed the AIADMK won the state elections in alliance with Indira Gandhi's Congress party. MGR became Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu and was re-elected for three consecutive terms. As Chief Minister, he organized a totalitarian crackdown on all political dissent while introducing populist schemes such as the Chief Minister's Nutritious Meal Programme.

Having survived a bullet wound when he was shot at by fellow actor M.R. Radha in 1967 (which affected his speech), he achieved demi-god status following a paralytic stroke in 1984 which he survived for three years thus acquiring the label 'thrice born'. When he died in 1987, his funeral procession was attended by over 2 million people!

A temple has been built in Madras with MGR as deity.

http://www.upperstall.com/people/mgr.html

Raikkonen

9th May 2006, 09:00 PM

Tottal Poo Malarum of Vatthyar's Padakotti
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4wl7XnFgUZc&search=mgr

S.Balaji

24th May 2006, 03:58 PM

[tscii:5892bb49ed]Makkal Thilagam takes up the challenge to reform 5 different criminals and convicts…..

And its PALLANDU VAAZGA , a remake of Dho Aanken Bara haath……from Shantaram……

Its mission impossible to reform criminals…….

One has to study each character and strategise yourself for achieving this arduous task…..

Mind you, each one will view you from his own perspective and you will have to read his mind to counter him…..

Not everyone is a born criminal…..most of them become one such due to circumstances …….and when the whole world goes against them…….

Go to any prison and we will see multiple personalities ….some hardcore criminals…some undergoing the trauma of rigorous imprisonment …….

Just to give the audience, a taste of what kind of criminals they are , the director, quickly runs through a flashback of them …..One will be terrified to see the background of all the characters….each one undergoing rigorous imprisonment for having killed, looted and committed various crimes…..

MGR plays mind game with each character…….Unlike a normal Prison controller, MGR choses the other way…….BE SYMPATHETIC …..SHOW MERCY AND BE KIND ……RESULTS WILL COME AUTOMATICALLY……

So even when Manohar ( one of the convicts ) tries to kill him …..MGR tackles him swiftly ( the whole theatre will scream……THALAIVARE!!…PAARTHU…PINAALA KATHEE !! ) and stuns him by giving the same knife to him asking him to use it again…..the trembling hands of a nervous Manohar will be the first clear message that this Officer is somewhat different….not an ordinary Warden…..

Next, MGR choses a barren land and instructs the 5 guys to create a garden out of it……as the gang refuses to oblige his instructions, MG himself takes up the challenge and does his job with customary sincererty….. this makes the 5 surprised again by the dedication shown……

Like this, through small interesting incidents, Makkal thilagam makes the convicts understand him and a gradual change of heart happens ……

MG also inducts discipline onto them…..by narrating them , stories of great personalities and quotable quotes ……..

ONDRAY KULAM ENDRU PAADUVOM….. ORUVANAY DEVAN ENDRU POTRUVOM…. Is one such ……

Seated on a floor with a small table before him and a book , he starts singing the song…..
being watched by the notorious group ……

An ageing Makkal thilagam still looks impressive in this song , with calm and poise looks ( oru saathvigamana mugathodu paaduvar ) like a man possessed, with a single minded motive to reform the prisoners…….

Always his movies had mind-blowing and thought provoking lyrics …..I am captivated by the lyrics from this song :

Ondre kulam endru paaduvom
Oruvane devan endru potruvom
Annai idaya maaga anbu vadiva maaga
Vandhu vazhi kaata vendum endru vananguvom

Makkal thilagam never showed animosity towards any particular religion or caste…..infact I can emphatically say that he followed a secular path……he never pretended to be a so called hardcore atheist Dravidian ( DMK ) ….he had also touched about existence of God in Deivathai and also during the song Kovil endraal gopuram kaatum deivam vendum angay ( from Naan ungal veetu pillai in Pudhiya Bhoomi )

The first charanam had the following :

Paavam endra kallaraikku pala vazhi
Endrum dharma devan kovilukku oru vazhi

The greatness of MGR lies from the fact that he always gave a positive message with conviction……always portrayed characters which followed the path of righteousness ….

In another charanam :

Kadavulilay karunaidhanai kaanalaam
Andha karunayilay kadavulayum kaanalaam !! ( Is he saying ANBAY SIVAM ?! )

Also, he never missed an opportunity to mention about his mentor Arignar Anna ( this was a trend he followed for long ) …..and this comes during the second charanam :

Idaya deivam namadhu anna thondrinaar
Avar endrum vaazum kolgai deepam yetrinaar

The hindi version saw the Shantaram character die at the end…..but had the same end would have been adopted in tamil, I shudder to think the extent of damage to theatres as MG fans would have made the theatres into smithereens..
Infact the first question a typical MGR fan will ask will be …Namma Vadhiyaar indha padathil saga maataray ?? and then only he will watch the movie……MG’s image was like a Phantom…the ghost who walks and never has end…..

During the climax, the convicts become so attached to him that they start praying for his recovery from an accident……

this movie was released after he came out of DMK but surprisingly , had few punch dialogues…..the theme was very focused towards setting the Convicts right and give them a new lease of life……

MG’s movies always had a simple formulae :

One introduction song
One song teasing the heroene
One duet song ( at times 2 or 3 depending on the number of heroenes !! )
One kolgai parappu song
One thought provoking song

IMHO, this song ranks on par with the likes of Kann pona pokillay kaal pogalaama , acham enbadhu madamai ada , Unnai arindhaal nee unnai arindhaal….

Not to forget the splendid rendition by KJY……. From Viziyay kathai ezudhu, MG gave chances to KJY frequently for duets and solos

This song is another gem of a composition from the veteran K.V.Mahadevan …..

Poivaa nadhialaye is another hit song in this movie……….

A commendable performance by Makkal thilagam ……
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Nakeeran

27th June 2006, 06:27 PM

Wonder why this thread is idle ! Mr. Murali Srinivas, request you flood this thread also with your informative posts :D

MGR is another legend . I admire him a lot :D

Murali Srinivas

27th June 2006, 07:24 PM

Dear Nakeeran,

It was kind of you to say good words. I will post here but before that let me complete NT's political innings in that thread. Hope you are following it.

Again I must and appreciate that you have a wide knowledge in many subjects and I read your posts in many threads. Unfortunately contoversy always seems to follow you. But after reading all your posts in cinema threads(including Mohanlal's), I was surprised by your Aswathama Athaa! Kunjaraga scene description and argument with Raghu and arbitration by S.Balaji. Good work.Keep it up

Regards

Nakeeran

27th June 2006, 07:59 PM

Dear Nakeeran,

It was kind of you to say good words. I will post here but before that let me complete NT's political innings in that thread. Hope you are following it. Regards

Thank you very much Murali Srinivas Sir :D

Though I am not posting much in NT thread, I am one of those silent participants in NT thread.

As far as NT is concerned, my approach is

KATRAVARGAL IRUKKUM SABAYIL, KETPADHE MEL .

I have not missed any post of yours & others.

Its a big learning experience for me on NT of the 50s, 60s & 70s.

Unfortunately the movies which I saw of NT were all of the mid 70s where I believe the Drama group comprising Major, Vietnam veedu Sundaram, P.Madhavan all in a way changed NT's style to that of shouting heavily during songs & scenes which I thought was very sad :cry:

Now I am reformed on seeing all the posts of yours, S.Balaji, Joe, Kalnayak, Groucho070 & Mr. Mohanram.

Pl continue your excellent contribution to NT thread.

I am sure, you have extensive knowledge on MGR also as NT & MGR are inseparable

Thats why I could see more info about MGR also in your NT's political analysis :D This only made me to request you to come here and also contribute on MGR. I know for sure, you have tons of info on MGR also :D

Pl make a start once you are through with NT's political analysis

S.Balaji

30th June 2006, 10:24 PM

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Recollecting Makkal thilagam’s songs for children – the immediate song which comes to our mind will be Sirithu vaaza vendum , pirar sirkka vaanzdhidaadhe…….

There are other songs like Chinna payale chinna payale , seidhi keladaa ……. Nalla nalla pillaigalai nambi & for grown ups – Thoongadhey thambi thoongadhey …….

Amongst his various on-screen portrayals like a righteous citizen, good samaritan , a champion of poor, a loving son ( mostly to his mother ) , a caring friend…..

MG also played the role of a noble younger brother to T.K.Bagavathi in NAMNAADU

Released in 1969

TKB , as we all know, part of the famous TK brothers , T.K. Shanmugam , the very foundation of tamil cinema artists who also gave a precious gem – ULAGANAYAGAN KAMAL HASSAN… ( no wonder Avvai Shanmugi was named in fond memory of his mentor TKS )

TKB - a faithful employee of S.V.Rangarao ( it’s a perfect portrayal of the old faithfulness & sincerety - typical of a South Indian mindset , that of very loyal to his Boss as integrity is of utmost importance more than the money …….) For TKB, SVR is the most respectable person , but in reality SVR actually will be a camouflaged personality…..Does everything behind the screens like looting public money, adulteration & all other typical villain stuff……

While on every occasion whenever a common man suffers, MG points out and accuses SVR but this bold approach doesn’t get appreciated by TKB…as the loyalty towards his Boss comes primarily …..Few instances will be shown on the growing enmity between SVR & MG on principles, various social issues……..

The initial scenes were built around the close knit family, the respect for his elder brother , at the same time, the youth and fearless attitude towards anarchy, disorder, corruption, lawlessness ….the Director quickly builds an interesting story & sets up at a nice pace

A stage comes when MG openly antagonizes SVR which results in loss of job and this upsets TKB very much more because it happened to be MGR's salary day and he was just distributing dresses to the 2 children and to his Anni . So TKB chides MGR to be patient and give respect to elders and be diplomatic. A stubborn MGR counters TKB saying that he will give respect to those elders who really are good and noble ones . An angry TKB now refuses to have his dinner even as his wife Pandaribhai pleads him. When Pandaribhai asks MGR , he also refuses to have. Now finally she gos to the children and they also reject the dinner.

Now Pandaribhai gets upset with everyone and screams that noone in the house listens to her for which TKB tells her that if periavanga ( MGR ) pecha kekkalanaa , chinnavanga eppadi kepaanga . Now MGR runs to the children and shows his TENDER HEART …. Kuzandhaigalai appadiye kattidondu solvar
Eppavum Amma Appa pecha kettu nadakanum neenga.

MGR , NOW REALIZING THE SITUATION CAJOLES THE CHILDREN THROUGH A LOVELY SONG :

NALLA PEYARAI VAANGA VENDUM PILLAIGALE ![/b][/color]Such lyrics only have made me see MG movies time & again without any boredom !!

NAM NAADU ENNUM THOTATHILE NAALAI MALARUM MULLAIGALE

The little master of tfm, the evergreen enchanting MSV was apt to the occasion….Sensing the mood of the song, he asks TMS to sing in a gentle manner like that of someone who has to preach the children ! At least MGR should have written 25 % of his will to TMS as he was one of the prime beneficiaries of TMS’s scintillating voice modulation !! Observe the sincerety & commitment to the song here by TMS !
Whenever MSV feels that a particular sentence deserves a better treatment, he repeats it with a subtle piece of improvisation & this song was another example to that as TMS modulates & gives precise stress to some words like Paalootum annai aval Nadamaadum deivam…..( here he gives the impact of a motherly affection )
Panivootum thanthai ( in a mild manner ! )
The entire song was composed using Harmonium, tabla, bangoos & flute ! I don’t think MSV would have sweat much for this composition as it must have been another day at office

The Charanam lyrics are one gone deep into my thoughts forever :

PAALOOTUM ANNAI, AVAL NADAMAADUM DEIVAM
ARIVOOTUM THANDHAI NAL VAZIKAATUM THALAIVAN
THUNAIYAAGA KONDU NEE NADAI PODU INDRU
URUVAGUM NALLA EDHIR KALAM INDRU

Some good words flow all through the song like KURAL POLA VAAZU !

MEYAANA ANBE DEIVEEGAMAAGUM ( while covering Ondre kulam endru , I mentioned that never did MG say that there was no God ….MG always played safe by saying words like Kaakai midhakum oligalile, kadalil thavazum alaigaliley, iraivan iruppadhai naan ariven ! ) is another example of MGR slightly touching God

He never wasted any opportunity to praise his political mentor …… Here is another sentence which covers his Anna :

VIZI POLA ENNI NAM MOZI KAAKKA VENDUM
THAVARANA PERKU NER VAZIKAATA VENDUM
JANA NAAYAGATHIL NAAM ELLORUM MANNAR
THENNATTU GANDHI ANAALIL SONNAAR !

As the song nears it end, TKB gets back to his cheerful mood, joins the family with MGR & they all eat together !

Another interesting aspect of Makkal thilagam which I noticed was that he was always fond of children ( last week I watched Enga veettu pillai & loved watching the scenes when the tough MGR casually throws his left hand & carry the tiny tot with all the cheer ! )… During this song, for all the tantrums of the children , MG cajoles them, plays around with them & ensures that they eat their food which is being watched by TKB & PB anxiously & gradually reconcile that their dear younger brother is also back to his cheerful self ! He also makes the children repeat what he sings !

What motivated me to write about this song is for the simple reason - what we used to come across in our day to day life …..somebody getting upset during the course of the day while the other will persuade but finally everything gets back to normal & the old cheer is back ! The director in a nice manner bonds the whole family together at the end of the song by making all forget that unpleasant beginning , patch up spontaneously eat together the supper & look forward to the next day. This is what nicely portrayed in this song which also adds some nice lessons for children about parents, discipline, Godliness

This movie was not short of controversy as I understand , it was based on the then existed outrageous rampant corruption prevailed in TN that period….…The response to this movie made the then administrators scary of him which eventually paved the way for his exit soon..

One of the reasons for MGR’s success story was the crisp & on dot screen play , narrated in the simplest manner possible to reach the common man in the villages.

MGR plays the role of a honest clerk in the Mayor's office.When the election falls due for the Mayor’s post , all political bigwigs of a party fight among themselves for being in race & one group rope him in as a compromise candidate……. Since he had clean reputation for being straight forward & kind natured…the results go in favour of him as well ( did MG ever lose anything in life ! ). Much to their shock ,he does not accede to their whims / wishes , but even goes to the extent of nabbing the trio for being corrupt.But being a novice,besides the trio were more seasoned on political games, he easily gets trapped into their hands.By creating an alibi, they pin him down showing that he was corrupt through a sequence of events …in the process , MG resigns…but remains furious though TKB warns him that those 3 – SVR, Asokan & Manohar ?? are mighty powerful & influential & its better to stay away from them. But when TKB himself realizes the truth , he gives green signal to MG to clear up the mess.

The movie ends on a typical MG familiar way……the culprits & the wicked getting punished & the good & noble prevail ……………..

TKB was one of the veterans artists of yesteryears who pioneered the drama industry & then laid foundation stone for tamil cinema industry…

I really admire the way he portrayed a new Ravana in Sampoorna Ramayanam, displaying his musical skills, a gentle warm looks…TKB gets introduced as a majestic & musical genius Ravana in this movie …while everyone shoot their queries on the ragas & their timing, he answers in his own inimitable casual manner & the entire movie itself is a classic ! However, those who had seen the movie will immediately call for that Barathan character which was splendidly portrayed by the greatest actor of our times – Nadigar thilagam !.....Oops …let me control my NT worshipping atleast here

It was a surprise ( rather shock ) to see TKB playing a villain role in Sabatham wherein he plays a dual role….while the good character dies early, the wicked one does all the manipulations & cunningness up to the fag end of the movie !

The same TKB was all all grace in Sivagangai seemai , a movie which followed Veera pandiya kattabomman , the story of Marudhu Pandiyas …………

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umaramesh

1st July 2006, 01:34 PM

VIZHI POOLA ENNE NAM MOZHI KAKKA VENDUM
THVARA PERKU NAYEER VAZHI KATTA VENDUM
MANATHOODU KOBAM NEE VALARTHALUM PAVAM
MEIYANNA ANBE THEIVEEGA MAGAM.

soft and gentle advice. I think we should put all these lyrics to Tamil text book and let the children understand the importance.
Good lyrics are ignored because it got related to movies?
MGR did remarkable job in terms of giving right message through his songs. one more important thing is he placed it in right scene so that he can co-orelate with movie story.

One of the main factor for MSV composistion is he will allow lyric to reach the people with simple tune and orchestra. Never impose unnecessary to show his presence.

TMS mastered so many songs in low pitch(comparing with normal rendition), example yaar andha nilalu/enge aval enrae manam/thannerille thamaraippu. In this song he sang very gently and adopting to the situation well.

AFter reading balaji analysis I will feel something new to the song even though I heard the same so many times earlier. I felt the same way for this song also. Thanks balaji.

regards
ramesh

groucho070

3rd July 2006, 10:24 AM

Though I do not watch MGR flicks these days, I truly respect him as a man who charted his way, his future, and truly lived to the saying/song "Ninaittathai Mudippavan".

Like the 'myth' that NTs films never did well (thanks to folks in NT thread, an eye opener about Box office performance of NT films) there is another 'myth' that MGR can't act.

Of course, his calibre is not that of NT. Nobody has NTs calibre till todate. But MGR was a capable actor of his time. I'd cite a few films where he gave powerful performance.

1. Pasam - You'll never see this MGR again. There is only two scene, I believe, where you see the usual handsome MGR. After that, its Hamlet. Very complex character and MGR delivered it well. If I am not mistaken Fans were outraged when he died at the end. Can anyone share their experience here?

2. Petralthan Pillaiya (is this a remake of any other language film?) - MGR again does a great masala performance, plus one of the most dramatic effort towards the end. Powerful film.

3. Padagotti - Yes, this is a very commercial film, but watch him during "Tharaimel Pirakkavaittan" and "Kodutthathellam Koduttahn". I mean, he really cares for what is going. His romantic scenes with Saroja Devi (Aiyodi Sokki!) is unparalleled (except NT of course).

4. Nam Naadu - I think Balaji did a write up earlier. All you have to say to my dad is, "they are playing your favourite movie today" and he will grin and say, "Nam Nadu". He's a MGR fanatic anyway.

5. Ninatthathu Mudippavan - Coming back to my dad - this is his least liked MGR film. But I like the second role, the bad guy role. Nice role reversal in this movie where Asogan plays a cop, good guy. The other MGR is bad all the way. Unfortunately this not one of his most remembered film.

6. Nadodi Mannan - Going back a decade. Here, MGR lents his presence mostly, and putting a stamp that no one dares to challenge - action.

7. Anbe Vaa - Even if you are playing a 'jolly' role, you have to do it well. I can't imagine the likes of SSR in this kind of movie. Its hard work, and audience think that he is having fun. He looks like he is having fun, but that is performance folks.

8. Urimai Kural - A Sridhar-directed flick. The Story is strong and while there are plenty of MGR-ism, he still is an actor who served the story, and served it well.

9. Naan Yeen Piranthen - Very, very understated performance. He does not do around the tree romance scenes. He is a married man with kids. No MGRism, all plain performance, great performance.

10. Oli vilakku. The favourite of my brothers and I. I don't know why but this must be our most watched MGR movie. I don't know why. It has to be his performance, so I have to include this in the ten best.

There.

Another thing.

Does anyone know the exact reason behind the MGR/MRR shooting incident?

groucho070

4th July 2006, 02:10 PM

Now, this thread had made me to be interested in MGR again.

Thanks to some earlier interest and Murali sar and co-NT fans for pouring the fuel in my fire, I have been greatly interested in the political movement that involved MGR and his peers.

So, what did I do yesterday? I watched Madhurai Meeta Sundara Pandiyan. All I can say is Whoa!

Not that it is a great movie. It should have been a masterpiece in the same vein as Nadodi Mannan or Ayirattil Oruvan, but if not for:

1. MGR

He seem visibly old - not helped by bad make-up and more attrocious wigs that can make Lex Luthor blush. He could have made adjustment to the age of the caracter.

2. The very unsubtle political undertones.

This is not a bad point actually. I enjoyed it, because I was comparing to what was happening to politics at that time. But more intrigue and less political dialogue would have helped.

3. Slow mid section.

I remember watching this with an aunt of mine, who is an MGR fanatic. She dozed of in the middle. Film started out fast and furious and started lagging in the middle. Could it be because of the stop/start production problem (Balaji? Murali-sar?)

4. Lack of certain realism.

I know we should not be talking about realism when it concerns that type of movie and time. But even for that time, the fact that a single 'stip' of beard can make elder brother can't recognise his younger brother. Come on! I bet the audience then would have groaned even then.

Well. Those are poor points. Now, the greater points.

1. MGR

Yes. Him again. 60 years of age notwithstanding, the man COULD FIGHT LIKE A 20 YEAR OLD. Witness the fight scene in the underground getaway. He slashes the bloody sword at the bad guy (Justine?) like there's no tomorrow. He even cuts up the bad guy in more than two places. The most brutal MGR I had ever seen, yeeeeeaaaaay! (Must have been thinking about MuKa as motivation). And then, another battle in the palace with Veerappa...so much so that you actually start to pity PSV.

2. Cast

Its a dream casting. Nambiar, Veerappan, SV Suppiah, Kannan, Sagasranaam (can't spell his name correctly), and Tenggai for comedy and for babes, you get Latha, Pathmapriya. Nambiar really steals the show ( he disappears halfway, must be during his Sabarimalai trip).

3. Songs.

Definitely classic, especially Amutha Tamizhil and Thendralile. Veeramagan Pooraada by TMS will get your spirit up and running.

4. Climax war scene.

Grand for its time. Amazing amount of animal (horses and elephants) and extras (thousands, I think). The editing work is choppy, but it is still good for its time. You really get to go inside, in the middle of the battlefield.

As I said, it could have been a grand spectacle if not for some of the weakness. Actually, I was expecting a crappy picture (I am watching after 16 years), but it turned out nice and entertaining.

Now, I got questions:

1. Was this one of MGRs stop halfway - start again production?

2. When was it exactly released? Before election?

3. Who is the actual director? Credit says MGR, though it thanked K. Shankar for assistance?

More background info would be appreciated. In the meantime, I am checking out other pages of this thread.

groucho070

18th July 2006, 09:22 AM

Looks like I have to do the reviving job here.

So, here is my query. Has anyone read MSS Pandiyan's The Image Trap book?

I am desparately seeking for that book. Does anyone Malaysia-based, know where to find that book?

S.Balaji

30th July 2006, 03:50 PM

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Puratchi Thalaivar - Kavignar , both in reel as well as real life had had vibrant streaks of friendship and occasional spats as well. Still both, each gifted with strong individuality, understood , recognized and respected each one’s talent.

I believe , for 2 situational songs in Aayirathil Oruvan , MG , after not being satisfied with lyrics from others including Valee, finally had to call Kavignar ( despite the rift ) & Kavignar, the true artist that he was, also obliged with Adho Andha paravai pola & Odum megangale !

Amongst the MG-Kavignar combo , I am captivated to NAADU ADHAI NAADU - Nadoee………..
MG lip-synchs this song like a typical Nadodee with harmonium hanging around his neck .This is another movie sans any political message or any hidden agenda but a pure commercial movie with a simple love story …

Saroja devi first paired with MGR in NADODEE MANNAN ……..

This pair had acted 26 movies !

Coincidentally the same pair also appeared later in NADODEE

Released in 1966

However, the movie starts with Barathi as the first lover but dies earlier

MGR , being deprived of his ancestors’ wealth by VKR wanders around in streets , comes across a blind SD , whose eyes gets impaired in an accident….. Pitied by her condition, MGR takes care of her. In due course, they understand each other & the resultant love makes MG resolve to restore her eyes by singing songs, collects money in small small lots & finally achieves his mission ! Though Nambiar was just a fill up to complete the cast for Villain& also plays the intermediary who helps in arranging for the eye operation , the focus remains on the eye restoration only ….Infact, MG himself occasionally jokes at SD & takes care of the comical part also

One such day when the pair goes to streets singing songs in pursuit of collecting money to achieve their objective , this song appears …..

The usage of NAADU both as a noun & verb shows Kavignar’s gifted ability …He actually plays with the word ‘Naadu’ & indeed its a real beauty.

Another interesting aspect of this song is the peculiar lyrics makes me wonder if this could be Makkal thilagam sang for Tamil Eelam way back in the 60s – NAADU ADHAI NAADU …..ADHAI NAADAVITAAL EDHU VEEDU. Though the movement was not that active in the 60s , IMO, this song has unequal merits as the pledge song for Eelam.

Reading the lyrics, this song should be a huge motivational factor for those ardent supporters of free land & freedom for them, it’s a true reflection of what they aspire for & what they strive for ….this may fit for even Palestine & Israel !! ….

Though other lyricists also gave sold songs for MG to spread his political / ethical / cultural messages , beyond doubt , some songs of Kavignar had that extraordinary ‘punch’ in his lines

In the mid 1960s, long before the struggle for Eelam was in the thoughts of Sri Lankan Tamils, Kavignar-MG must have thought about it & aptly named the movie title itself & gave a thought provoking song ….

& the movie name as well - Nadodee (The Vagabond). Kavignar’s poignant song starts with the lines:

NAADU…ADHAI NAADU….ADHAI NAADAAVITAAL…EDHU VEEDU
VAAZUM POZHUDHELLAM ADHAIYE PAADU
VAANAM PERIDHENDRU VAAZUM PANN PAADU

In a play on the word Naadu, which means ‘homeland’ (as a noun) and ‘reach your target ’ (as a verb), Kavignar splendidly highlights the wisdom that one’s real home is in his/her homeland. Also, nicely uses the word PANPAADU & PANN-PAADU !!

Even when I hum the lines of this particular lyric, I’m astounded by Kavignar’s mastery of thoughts, words and vision, and he writes these lines for Makkal thilagam to mouth these lines through the golden voice of TMS & very well supported by PS .

Paalaivanam enra pothum Nam Naadu
Paarai Malai kooda Nam ellai Kodu
Aaru Nilam Paainthu Vizhaiyadum Thottam
Veera Samuthayame Engal Kootam.

The lyrics are too striking …. that even if a dry desert happens to be our our homel, its our dear homeland & lets have borders with rock and mountains. There are rivers which flow into the fields, and lets be proud of our heroic traditions.

What follows during the final charanam are real gems :

Pasi enru Varuvoorku Virunthaha Maarum
Pahaivar Muham Paarthu Puliyaaha Cheerum
Nilathil Uyir Vaithu Urimai Kondaadum
Ethirthu Varuvorai Urama Podum.

Kavignar signs off with - We will provide food for those who come with hunger….. to our adversaries, we turn into tigers…. We will cherish our dear land & will make our enemies as fertilizers for our land

The situation & composition must have been cake walk for Mellisai Mannar as he had the FREEDOM TO USE HIS PET HARMONIUM !! with a flourish, MSV applies harmonium very sharply as preludes ……

And the tune & lyrics must have impressed MG a lot it seems…..as he acknowledges with AHAA for which SD also reciprocates with OHO when her turn comes !

And its harmonium everywhere during the interludes ….midway, one can hear some trumphets / military type drums but somehow the harmonium seamlessly merges with the song & resurfaces at regular intervals….One can also hear lovely usage of tabla to give speed & momentum …..

MG, the ever cheerful character, will be at his usual self to convey a very motivational song to enthuse patriotism…..However, as he was tied to the harmonium, MG couldn’t extend / stretch his hands left & right ( his usual style was curbed !!) ….Still, never short of enthusiasm, he runs around playing with ease, the harmonium …..I feel that SD was a bit over playing her reactions when she reacts for Vetri thirumaadhu nadai podum ellai !

I will be a sinner if I miss out TMS …….the one and only TMS can bring such power & force …..such a thundering impact …….The thrust he gives to every word & the subtle variation for Paadum pozudhellam adhaiye paadu…..

The eagerness & anxiety of someone longing for a land is reflected when he touches …… Adhai naadaavitaal edhu veedu
Or for ……Vaanam peridhendru vaazum …….

Displays bravery & valour when he sings – Veerar vizi thaanzdhu nilam paarpathillai

& the fondness for one’s land is reflected when he sings – Paalai vanam endra podhum nam naadu …..

Only TMS can give such a thrust ….a committed & involved singer !

I believe TMS was not even asked to speak during the recent NT statue unveiling ceremony ….which IMO is an insult to one of the greatest assets of Tamil cinema……If at all, someone deserves to talk about Shivaji , it should be TMS first & then only others…..No, not even Karunanidhi or the next generation Rajini / Kamal / Vijay kanth …. Really disgusting to hear such igronance being displayed time & again on the great artists of yesteryears

This movie is another wonderful album for the Melody king .. combo with MGR :
a. Androru naal idhe nilavil avan irundhaan – Another streetside song by TMS & PS – a poetic song …lovely lyrics
b. Ulagamengum ore mozhi – TMS & PS ….. a unique composition , western type , one of my MSV all time favourites
c. Thirumbi vaa oliye thirumbi vaa – TMS & PS again …..Looks like another composition wherein the tune came first followed by lyrics !

Each one was a super hit & being heard even today with the same enthu & interest because the silken melody effect has been coated on them !

Despite their differences, it was MG who recognized Kavignar by giving him the honour of ARASAVAI KAVIGNAR post when he assumed office as CM in 1977……….This shows what a true great personality MGR was , forgetting & forgiving the past & looking forward to renewing the relationships with friends & foes ………….
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joe

30th July 2006, 10:22 PM

S.Balaji

31st July 2006, 01:17 PM

//VAAZUM POZHUDHELLAM ADHAIYE PAADU
VAANAM PERIDHENDRU VAAZUM PANN PAADU//

Dear Balaji,
So far I thought the these lines as follows..

PAADUM POZUTHELLAM ATHAIYE PAADU
MAANAM PERIDHENDRU VAAZUM PANNPAADU

Am I wrong?

Joe dear

You are right :D

Its Paadum &
Maanam only !

& what a song ! Was it a prelude to Srilankan tamil cause ?

saradhaa_sn

7th August 2006, 12:04 PM

Thanks Thiru, Balaji & Joe.

Thiru,

It was not my intention to question the veracity of your statement regarding MMSP. As for as I knew, this movie did not have a 100 day run in any of the centres. It was released on Pongal Day of 1978 and in Chennai, it was the first Tamil movie to be released in both Devi & Devi Paradise (probably the last movie too) and two other theatres, which I don't remember. If my memory serves me right it was removed after 50 days run in Devi complex and other theatres.In fact it ran for 50 days in Devi and regarding D.Paradise, I am 200% sure that it did not run beyond Mar 17th,1978, for the simple reason NT's " Ennai Pol Oruvan" was released in D.Paradise on 18th March, which means MMSP must have had a max run of 63 days.Like you, I too don't have a proof but this was the real situation. Regarding Madurai, I didn't mean it should run max in Madurai. What I meant was in spite of Madurai being his citadel and inspite of people knowing that this was going to be his last movie, still it could not strech beyond 70 -75 day run. Again if my memory serves me right,Andhaman Kadhali released on 26th Jan,1978 was the first 100 Day movie if that calender year.

Regards

Mr.Murali Srinivas, you are exactlu correct.

'Maduraiyai Meetta Sundara Pandiyan' did not run for 100 days anywhere. And it did not released in both Devi & Devi Paradise, but only in Devi Paradise and run 56 days only. ( It was run for 50th day poster, because MGR came to poer at that time and it was his last movie).

After MMSP was lifted from the theatre, a Hindi movie was released just for one week at Devi Paradise and then that Hindi movie was shifted to Devi Bala, because Nadigar Thilagam's "Ennaippol Oruvan" was released in DP on 18th March 1978.

You are right. 'Andhaman Kadhali' is the first 100th Day movie in that year 1978 (at Midland, now Jayapradha) followed by 'Thiyagam' (March 4th) as Silver Jubilee at Shanthi.

MGR's last 100th day movie was "Indru Pol Endrum vAzga", but there were some flops before that, like "Oorukku Uzaippavan" and "Navarathnam".

joe

7th August 2006, 12:39 PM

saradhaaji,
what about 'Ithayakkani'..was it a hit or average?

saradhaa_sn

7th August 2006, 12:43 PM

I feel it is suitable to re-produce my post here:

From the very begining of 50s, MGR planned very well to use his cinema fame to his lift in politics. He decided Cinema is the correct way to approach people to get success in politics. Thatswhy he acted only POSITIVE rolls which will give more effect among the people. So, he carefully choosed his rolls, and made some changes wherever necessary to keep up his image.

He was very careful in maitained his image by acting in movies with:
non-drinking
non-smoking
not in villain charectors
not acting as bad man
always helping poors
mother sentiments
praising diologues by others (like "neengathaan thalaivar')
praising dialogues by old ladies (like' mavaraasaa nee nalla irukkanum')
Thus he planned well to use his cine fame as a ladder for his success in his political carreer, and kept the same formula until his last movie, without taking care about the criticisms by educated people, because his main aim is to cover the illeterates in remote areas throughout Tamil Nadu, who started to beleive cinema is a real one.

When he found himself that he is lack of acting skill, he put his full concentration in other aspects, mainly in songs, camera views, dream scenes with richness, stunt scenes etc. Particularly he gave more importance for the songs in his movies, with the farmola of one 'thaththuva paadal', one song praising about him (like 'naan aanaiyittal' and 'naan alavodu rasipavan..edhaiyum alavindri koduppavan' etc), duet songs with vareities of tunes (thatswhy still we can hear his songs as fresh ones).

The main difference between MGR and Shivaji is:

Shivaji always think that people should see him as charectors as Kattabomman, V.O.C, Prestige Padmanabhan, Barristor Rajinikanth, S.P.Choudhry like that, and they should not see him as Ganesan in the screen.

But regarding MGR always think, whether he plays King roll or Begger role, but people should see him as MGR only and not as charectors.

In politics Shivaji did not take it as serious, just used it as pickle, whereas it was the main food for MGR.

Shivaji always took wrong decitions in wrong times in politics, and he did not aimed any big posts and he never planned for that. Thatswhy he faded in politics, when MGR became a successful leader.

saradhaa_sn

7th August 2006, 12:51 PM

Joe....

'Idhayakkani' is a hit movie and run more than 100 days in several theatres in Tamil Nadu.

(We can see 100th day shield in Sathyam, Maharani theatres at Chennai).

bingleguy

7th August 2006, 12:58 PM

He was very careful in maitained his image by acting in movies with:
non-drinking
non-smoking
not in villain charectors
not acting as bad man
always helping poors
mother sentiments
praising diologues by others (like "neengathaan thalaivar')
praising dialogues by old ladies (like' mavaraasaa nee nalla irukkanum')

True :-)

I ve heard that his biggest motive in life is to keep everybody away from the state of being poor ...

His gifts were not just dhotis n sarees .... they were sewing machine, rickshaw and many more just by saying that work is god ! and urging ppl to work !

Aalavanthan

7th August 2006, 05:26 PM

Probably my first post (surprisingly) as I never thought MGR as a technician but as a sole Politician which proved to be wrong yesterday when I watched Naadodi Mannan. More shock came when I saw that the producer/director of the movie was MGR himself.

Alongside groucho, I wanted to raise some questions. Surprisngly, the movie had a different set (age) of crew during the opening and closing credits of the movie. I was told that MGR took 10 yrs (?) to complete this movie due to financial constraints. Do you guys have more info about this movie ? Is this movie MGR's directorial debut ? How long did it took for him to complete this movie and were there any changes in the storyline during the delay-period (the role of P.S. Veerapa is still a myth for me). Was Banumathy's death in the movie part of initial screenplay ? I know I am asking for more, but sure you guys will have something in store for me.

I heard that the movie was a grand success for MGR even though released after a long time. The noticeable thing is that the the crew of the movie got older in the second half but the camera quality and the color (B/W - 1st half, Eastmen color - 2nd half) got improved.

Cheers

joe

8th August 2006, 06:34 AM

joe

8th August 2006, 06:35 AM

Alavanthan,
Hope you know 'Ulagam Sutrum Vaaliban' also directed by MGR after a long gap.

bingleguy

8th August 2006, 09:15 AM

Ya ... even i ve heard about this famous quote !

Was Aayirathil oruvan the first color movie in our industry ????

joe

8th August 2006, 09:27 AM

Ya ... even i ve heard about this famous quote !

Was Aayirathil oruvan the first color movie in our industry ????

The first tamil colour movie is 'Alibababum 40 thirudargalum'

Aryaz

8th August 2006, 09:32 AM

MGR didnt take 10 years to complete Nadodi mannan. I think it was abt 2 yrs or so.
After Ulagam Sutrum Valiban, MGR directed Madhurai meetiya sundarapandiyan...which was released after he was sworn in as CM. But the movie didnt do well in box office!

m_23_bayarea

8th August 2006, 09:34 AM

bingleguy

8th August 2006, 09:35 AM

Was he a person who wishes to try something new in every movie of his ???

groucho070

8th August 2006, 09:42 AM

Ya ... even i ve heard about this famous quote !

Was Aayirathil oruvan the first color movie in our industry ????

The first tamil colour movie is 'Alibababum 40 thirudargalum'

YES !! And I think the first cinemascope movie is IDHAYAKKANI !!! Both the firsts go to MGR's credit !! :D

Nope. The first cinemascope was Raja Raja Cholan, directed by AP Nagarajan and starring NT.

MGR is first and foremost an entertainer, who later skewered his movie towards his political leaning. That is why, even hardcore MGR fans prefer his films before the 70s.

My questions are still pending answers.

1 - MMSP - direction is credited to MGR, though the credit also thanks K. Shankar. Do you think the latter has ghost directed MMSP (this knowing well that MGR was freakin' busy in politics and election that year).

2. Actual reason for MGR/MRR problem?

joe

8th August 2006, 10:47 AM

Murali Srinivas

8th August 2006, 11:17 AM

Dear Alavanthan,

MGR while making Nadodi Mannan met with an accident. He was staging a drama "Inba Kanavu" on behalf of his MGR Drama troupe. In that there is a scene where he had to lift Gundu Karuppiah. While lifting GK, MGR lost his balance and GK fell on his leg which led to the fracture of MGR's leg. This delayed the production. Meanwhile, Saroja Devi had been booked for Thirudathe and MGR wanted her in NM and booked her. Banumathy the ever rebelious character did not take kindly to this and already the relation between her and MGR had soured and her character also ended like that. People used to say MGR used the same techinique in Arasa Kattalai, where S.Devi would die and JJ would become the queen.

Dear Groucho,

MMSP was produced by BRBanthalu and was directed by K.Shankar.
The film was in the making for long.When BRB passed away, MGR took over the direction from Shankar and he was given credit credit in titles of having helped the film.

Regarding MGR vs MRR, the exact truth had not come out. What ever that came in media was for public consumption. What transpired exactly between them, nobody knows. But MRR Vasu (He had joined Congress(O) and used to frequently address meetings) once in a meeting at Madurai had hinted that it had something to do with women. I am not sure how far his words could be trusted. He also said that contrary to general perception that having shot MGR, MRR tried to commit suicide is also wrong. Vasu said that both shot at each other. While MRR shooting MGR was made public, MGR shooting MRR was suppressed, Vasu alleged. Truth, God only knows!

Regards

groucho070

8th August 2006, 11:37 AM

Bay thampi,
There are many firsts in tamil movie related with NT

1.First cinemascope - Rajacholan
2.First tamil movie shooted overseas -Sivantha man
3.First movie without song -Antha Naal
4.First movie ran more than a year in overseas -Vasantha Maaligai
5.First and only movie ran 100 days in second release -V.P.kattabomman
6.First movie release dialogue audio disk before the release of movie -Gowrawam

and many..

This is really making me angry. How come all these have not been made public? When people think of achievement not involving acting, they talk of MGR. NT's achievement is only highlighted in acting.

I think media has long been either ignorant or simply too biased to make these records known. Out of the 6, I know only first three. I think its the duty of people like us to educate others of these records. I know that if I were to talk to my friends/relatives of NT, I will make sure that I mentione these achivements. Thanks Joe for highlighting that.

And Murali-sar, thank you for enlightening me on those issues. What Vasu mentioned somehow seem more realistic. Two things make even higher level people to raise arms - Money and Women. I've heard of the money issue between two before, but not the women. Oh well, its not important.

Oh shoot! I am in the wrong thread. I should have been angry in NTs thread.

Aalavanthan

8th August 2006, 04:06 PM

aah Thanks Joe & Murali for your words with great memory. I am still thinking of what lunch I had yesterday :)
I smelled something fishy about the movie because of Banumathy's character, introduction of SD. well MGR had this tendency but eh who cares, those movies were hit. So sometime or the other, the initial heroine died and a new girl took the position. But JJ survived until today ! oops No politics - hehe

Joe, yes, I came to know about USV only after reading the latter pages of this thread.

MS, again very informative on MRR and MGR. You just gave a new dimension for this issue which we youngsters were not aware of. It is interesting that even Radharavi didnt mention this when he was in DMK.

joe

8th August 2006, 04:11 PM

Currently I am reading a book titled 'Suttachu suttachu' regarding the entire episode and court hearing of MRR-MGR shoot each other case .I may come later with some interesting truths.

bingleguy

8th August 2006, 04:32 PM

manuel

8th August 2006, 05:23 PM

Is there any place in net were we can find MGR's or for that matter sivaji Ganesan's Biographies ?

saradhaa_sn

8th August 2006, 07:58 PM

Currently I am reading a book titled 'Suttachu suttachu' regarding the entire episode and court hearing of MRR-MGR shoot each other case .I may come later with some interesting truths.
எம்.ஜி.ஆரை சுட்ட வழக்கில் கைதான எம்.ஆர்.ராதா, தண்டனை முடிந்து வெளியான*தும் பத்திரிகையாளர்கள் பேட்டி கணடனர்.

"எம்.ஜி.ஆரை சுட்டது பற்றி என்ன நினைக்கிறீர்கள்..?" என நிருபர்கள் கேட்டபோது,

"என் வாழ்க்கையிலேயே நான் அரைகுறையாக செய்த காரியம் அது ஒண்ணுதான்"...என்று பதில் சொன்னார் ராதா.

படங்களில் மட்டுமல்ல நிஜ வாழ்க்கையிலும் வில்லனாகவே இருந்திருக்கிறார் அவர்.

groucho070

9th August 2006, 07:44 AM

m_23_bayarea

9th August 2006, 07:47 AM

Nope. The first cinemascope was Raja Raja Cholan, directed by AP Nagarajan and starring NT.

Bay thampi,
There are many firsts in tamil movie related with NT

1.First cinemascope - Rajacholan
2.First tamil movie shooted overseas -Sivantha man
3.First movie without song -Antha Naal
4.First movie ran more than a year in overseas -Vasantha Maaligai
5.First and only movie ran 100 days in second release -V.P.kattabomman
6.First movie release dialogue audio disk before the release of movie -Gowrawam

and many..

Whoops !! Sorry guys .... :oops:

Thanks for the correction though !! :D

joe

10th August 2006, 08:31 AM

groucho070

10th August 2006, 08:46 AM

//படங்களில் மட்டுமல்ல நிஜ வாழ்க்கையிலும் வில்லனாகவே இருந்திருக்கிறார் அவர்.//
இதை நான் மறுக்கிறேன் .எம்.ஆர்.ராதாவைப் பொறுத்தவரை நிஜ வாழ்வில் மிக வெளிப்படையான போலித்தனமில்லாத மனிதர் .கொண்ட கொள்கையில் உறுதியானவர் .

I agree Joe. Like NT, he is straight forward, nothing to hide, does not glow to praises. I heard that Thevar (Thevar films) is a very rough man too, very direct and does not shy from using vulgar words. But does that make him a bad guy? There are people like that, and there are also diplomatic people like MGR.

Have you finished the book, Joe?

joe

10th August 2006, 08:59 AM

//Have you finished the book, Joe?//

No Yet.Still going through .Very interesting one.

selvakumar

10th August 2006, 08:59 AM

//படங்களில் மட்டுமல்ல நிஜ வாழ்க்கையிலும் வில்லனாகவே இருந்திருக்கிறார் அவர்.//
இதை நான் மறுக்கிறேன் .எம்.ஆர்.ராதாவைப் பொறுத்தவரை நிஜ வாழ்வில் மிக வெளிப்படையான போலித்தனமில்லாத மனிதர் .கொண்ட கொள்கையில் உறுதியானவர் .

I had a chance to hear an old interview of MRR (after the MGR episode). He reflected his thoughts in a straightforward way !

It was like "Had I planned for killing MGR, then I would not have stopped firing just one bullet. I would have gone for more if I had those intentions"

A bitter truth which we should acknowledge indeed !

tfmlover

10th August 2006, 10:08 AM

Is there any place in net were we can find MGR's or for that matter sivaji Ganesan's Biographies ?
plenty online
this one i saw for MGR
http://www.kathalnet.com/cinema/actorspage/page/mgr.html

iru perum thilagangal :thumbsup:

umaramesh

10th August 2006, 10:14 AM

News from Hindu&Express says good collection from NADODI MANNAN. They are planning to release AADIMAI PEN &USM . Good news. I think it is good idea to release MGR&NT movies , for a change people can enjoy good movies/melodies songs.

ramesh

joe

10th August 2006, 11:38 AM

Makkal Thilagam's Nadodi mannan making Box office record even now

http://madippakkam.blogspot.com/2006/08/blog-post_10.html

Murali Srinivas

10th August 2006, 12:57 PM

To all MGR fans,

A monthly magazine by the name of "Ithayakani" is published for MGR fans for the past 5 years. Now it has been uploaded in cyber space.
Its URL is

www.ithayakkani.com

The interesting tidbit about this is, the editor of this magazine is one Mr.Vijayan. Earlier he was a hard core NT fan.Hailing from Rajapalayam, he ran a magazine called "Engal Sivaji". He had presented a shield to Madurai CinePriya Theatre in 1978, when Andhaman Kadhali had its first 100 shows as House full shows in that theatre. He would have stated in the shield "Irupatham Nootrandin Inaiyatra Kalaigan Shivaji". He was a part of NT fans club at R'Palayam who went on a marathon run from R'Palayam to Tiruchy in 1978/79 when Indira Gandhi came for a conference and NT was also participating in it. They brought a torch (Jothi) and handed over the same to NT. Such a hard core fan came to chennai and became a cinema journalist. Then from a hard core NT fan, he slowely changed to MGR anuthabhi, then MGR Rasigar and afterwards MGR Bakthar and now he is the President of Tamilaga MGR Manidha Neya Mandram. On the plus side he always used to give accurate info about films and even minute things, he would not have missed. He also wrote "Sigarangalai Kadantha Sivaji" in Cinema Express. quite an informative serial

Regrds

joe

10th August 2006, 01:20 PM

Murali,
Thanks for the info

Btw,The correct URL is http://www.ithayakkani.com/

I read many articles written by S.Vijayan on both NT and MGR .

tfmlover

11th August 2006, 04:30 AM

//படங்களில் மட்டுமல்ல நிஜ வாழ்க்கையிலும் வில்லனாகவே இருந்திருக்கிறார் அவர்.//
இதை நான் மறுக்கிறேன் .எம்.ஆர்.ராதாவைப் பொறுத்தவரை நிஜ வாழ்வில் மிக வெளிப்படையான போலித்தனமில்லாத மனிதர் .கொண்ட கொள்கையில் உறுதியானவர் .

I had a chance to hear an old interview of MRR (after the MGR episode). He reflected his thoughts in a straightforward way !

It was like "Had I planned for killing MGR, then I would not have stopped firing just one bullet. I would have gone for more if I had those intentions"

A bitter truth which we should acknowledge indeed !

even after the wound he continued with his own voice distinguishing his exceptional courage and strength .
some poke fun @ his voice after the shooting too :hammer:
tamil film industry failing to honor its past heroes ( including directors , musicians ,singers , ) soon will have no heroes to honor . happening already .

selvakumar

11th August 2006, 05:54 PM

http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-movie-news/aug-06-02/08-08-06-mgr.html

Chennai screens witness the MGR magic again!! Aug 08, 2006

Even time cannot take away the magic from certain things in life. This has proved again with MGR starrer Nadodi Mannan hitting the silver screens in Chennai now. As far as Tamil cinema is concerned MGR is the undisputed king in terms of commercially successful movies. His biggest fan following is the single most proof for this and this continues even now.

He was a gold mine for producers and never let them down. His movies have always been a success even in 3rd and 4th round releases . Such is his screen presence and charisma.

Cashing on this and the success of Imsai Arasan, Nadodi Mannan is being screened in Bharat, Raj and Lakshmi in Chennai and Narayanamurthy in Kanchipuram now. The movie is running to packed houses and is getting a response like that of a newly released movie.

Now with the re-screening of Nadodi Mannan, we can expect all the old royal theme movies of Sivaji Ganesan and MGR to hit the screens and run successfully too.

tfmlover

12th August 2006, 02:19 AM

:clap:
i saw online ad too selvakumar dinakaran online version

tfmlover

12th August 2006, 03:52 AM

selvakumar

12th August 2006, 12:13 PM

:clap:
i saw online ad too selvakumar dinakaran online version

:D Please take a snapshot of that and upload it here ! :)

tfmlover

12th August 2006, 04:36 PM

http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l203/tfmlover/?action=view&current=naadodimannan.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

selvakumar

12th August 2006, 04:59 PM

http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l203/tfmlover/?action=view&current=naadodimannan.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

:clap: :notworthy: :whistle: :P :D

So, it is gonna be more or less equal to 15 shows :clap: :notworthy:

groucho070

14th August 2006, 08:42 AM

Am really jealous of you people over there. We can never get big screen rerelease of MGR and NT films here. We can only dream, sigh.

NOV

14th August 2006, 09:08 AM

Thirumaran

14th August 2006, 09:45 AM

http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l203/tfmlover/?action=view&current=naadodimannan.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

:clap: Nice to see NM receiving good response even after a long gap that too in chennai :D

They should release in more places. :)

groucho070

14th August 2006, 09:55 AM

Am really jealous of you people over there. We can never get big screen rerelease of MGR and NT films here. We can only dream, sigh.I watched both Padagotti and Pudhya Paravai on the big screen in the 80s. So don't give up hope yet. :D

Nov, 80s was long time ago. They are taking Collesium (Tamil movie theatre here in KL for non-Malaysians) away. What chances do we have watching old flicks on big screen? I kinda give up already-lah.

joe

14th August 2006, 11:11 AM

groucho070 and Nov,
Yeah! Fans in TN are very lucky .Even in cities there are many second hand theatres release MGR and NT movies contineously ..Some theatres release NT and MGR movies alternateively ,one movie per week ..Some mostly MGR movies ,some mostly NT movies .

I personally experienced this when I was in Trichy and Chennai ..In trichy Prabath (which is demolished now) used to release only NT movies 90% of the weeks .In chennai I know Liberty used to release at least 2 NT movies in a month .North chennai has some theatres used to screen MGR movies contineously.

Besides this ,some times NT and MGR movies used to be release in New DTS A/C theatres with new print ..I have seen Deiva magan and Ulagam sutrum vaaliban in Sangam and Alankar.

S.Balaji

14th August 2006, 04:47 PM

[tscii:ac14113286]As every day pass by , my admiration / respect for Makkal thilagam increases like anything !

I love watching his songs first more than anything else .

NAN EN PIRANDHEN is one such lovely song with a clear message to society

This is a title song & one could see a cheerful MGR coming back to his native with a yellow full arm shirt & blazer on his shoulder casually running with full of enthusiasm !

He never spared any chance to convey his social messages . The song captivates me with punch lyrics :

naan en pirandhen
nattukku nalam enna purindhen
endru nalum pozhdum vazum varayil ninaithidu en thoza
ninaithu seyal padu enthoza… udane seyal padu en thoza !

Midway, he comes across a trio of drunkards & pleads them :

Ippadi kudichi kudichi nerathe veenakureengale . Indha nerathula naatukku edhavadhu nalladhu seyya koodadha ?

The drunkard guys scream at him :

Nadaamla nadu . Nadu engalukku enna senjichu ?

Now its MGR’s turn :

nadena seidhadhu namakku . ena kelvigal ketpadhu edharku ?
nee enna seidha adharku ena ninaithal nanmai unakku !

A sold response from MGR seem to convince the guys & immediately they break the liquor bottles !

Next he passes by a river side & sings :

malayil pirandha nadhiyal , makkal dhagam theerndhadhu
marathil pirandha kaniyal , avar pasiyum thanindhadhu
kodiyil pirandha malaral engum vasam thavanzdhadhu

While completing the above words, now he comes across 2 guys playing cards & adu puli aatam . Now he asks them :

annai madiyil pirandha unal enna payan dhaan vilaindhadhu ?

Again immediate response – the 2 guys move away convincingly !

Finally he reaches a roadside wherein a school going boy was getting beaten by his mother .
MGR immediately picks up the books & caringly puts them inside his bag & tells a lovely message to the boy :

pathu thingal sumandhale aval perumai pada vendum
unnai petradhanal aval matravarale potra pada vendum
katravar sabayil unakaga thani idamum thara vendum
un kannil oru thuli neer vandhalum, ulagam aza vendum !

Now this boy also takes the bag from MGR & goes to the school cheerfully while his mother gives a happy look !

Just through this song, MGR gives solid advice to 3 set of characters !

Having achieved some success in reforming , MGR, cheerfully runs further to reach his village

The entire song gets picturised in a nice , simple, clean manner in some hill side

This was one exceptional movie wherein he played the character of a middle aged man with slightly grown up children & in pursuit of money .

No fight scenes !

A landmark album for Shankar Ganesh

It was big risk for Makkal thilagam to have ventured into such a type of movie sans fighting , romance , love duets , dream songs !

You will never see that normal aggressive Makkal thilagam but the body language of a matured man , middle aged with all the etiquette & simplicity

I was really stunned by his performance

IMO, MGR did extremely well as an actor, proved everyone that he could also play character roles comfortably

Unfortunately, this movie didn’t do that well at the Box office

And MG went back to his action oriented roles

Its really sad & unfortunate to see Makkal thilagam’s name being tarnished time & again in NT’s thread .

Even some senior hubbers & knowledgeable guys there seem to target Pon mana chemmal either directly or indirectly which doesn’t augur well

To my knowledge, NT-MG had shared excellent off screen relationship sans their political rivalry

If MG had been so wicked or bad, more than 2 million wouldn’t have come to pay last respects .

MG was highly respected as a politician by the Delhi based politicians & I personally witnessed 2 PRIME MINISTERS :

A. A paralysed MGR was visited by the then PM Indira Gandhi & I watched her zip past the Mt. Road with her arms showing Vanakkam to all of us
B. Within few days after her assassination, Rajiv Gandhi , who took charge as PM, also visited Apollo hospital to find out the status of the LEGEND . This time, I saw Rajiv near Saidapet junction

Makkal thilagam always maintained a cordial relationship with union government to ensure he gets the best

The entire Tamil nadu was praying for his welfare & the song AANDAVANE UN PADHANGALAI was being played all through the state purely for the below lyrics :

ULLAMADHIL ULLAVARAI
ALLITHARUM NALLAVARAI
VINNULAGAM VAA ENDRAAL
MANNULAGAM ENNAGUM

MGR's towering personality as A GOOD HUMAN BEING was recognized by none other than KANCHI PERIYAR Shri Chandra Sekaraendra Saraswathi Swamigal

Upon his death, the Seer asked all temples of TN to do A MOKSHA DEEPAM as a mark of respect for the great leader of the masses !

At this moment, I recollect one incident when MGR pays a visit to the Seer & while they were conversing, a huge crowd gets formed .
On seeing the crowd growing uncontrollably, the Seer says to MGR :

Ivargal ellam ungala paarka thaan vadhirukaa ! Dhayavu seidhu avargalai parungal !

It was MGR who launched SATHUNAVU THITTAM , a fine tuned version of Perum thalaivar Kamaraj’s mid day meal scheme & though several guys tried to destabilize that wonderful scheme, it still went on successfully. This scheme of MGR inspired other states as well & I remember some states implementing it following MGR’s path .

It was MGR’s PERSISTENT EFFORTS LIKE BAGIRATHAN TO BRING IN WATER , STRUCK AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE THEN CM OF ANDHRA – the great NTR AND TELUGU GANGA ( Krishna water ) WAS BORN

Though this project took a very long time to complete due to various political games & financial constraints, it finally got completed & one could see some water passing through now.

If Krishna gets enough water, one can witness the free flow to Chennai also

I wish & pray that the benefits of this project is reaped in the long run , it will benefit both the states AS A LONG TERM SOLUTION

MGR’s 2 path breaking policies were torn to smithreeens by THANKLESS VOTERS :

1. MG reintroduced PROHIBITION ON LIQUOR
2. Introduced ECONOMIC CRITERION for getting admission in colleges

Both were not taken in the best spirits & he paid a heavy price for this . Subsequently, he had to withdraw both measures & had to continue like any other politician

Makkal thilagam might have been a bad man for a couple but was a Kadavul to crores of people

Whether he had contributed anything positive as a politician or not is immaterial but THROUGH HIS MEANINGFUL SONGS, MGR HAD ALREADY DONE HIS PART

His movies are still popular with the masses & one could witness heavy crowds & shows running to second weeks even now !

Whether as a movie maker or as a politician or as a human being , Makkal thilagam rules supreme

We cannot get another MGR !

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Murali Srinivas

14th August 2006, 05:28 PM

Desr Balaji,

When you said that some people are tarnishing the image of MGR in NT's thread, I don't know whether you meant me. I don't think myself or anybody for that matter would want to speak ill of a person who is no more. But in NT's political innings, while narrating some incidents that had happened during that time, some comments I have quoted. Well I thought ,when you are documenting History, some need to be said. You had highlighted 2 of MGR's policies (Prohibition and Reservation on economic criteria) which I had explained in detail. So I have been true to History as for as my knowledge is concerned putting both good and the bad in thr thread.. If you remember when Rajesh KRV came out with a request earlier regarding the same topic, I had given him a long reply. So nothing is intentional from my part. But if it had hurt you (mine or someone else) sorry.

Regards

PS: Is this the reason for which you are not visiting/contributing to NT's thread nowadays?

tfmlover

15th August 2006, 01:23 AM

s balaji :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :2thumbsup:
where are you selvakumar :?:
vanthu whistleladeenga selvakumar

Thirumaran

15th August 2006, 03:54 AM

Makkal thilagam might have been a bad man for a couple but was a Kadavul to crores of people

Whether he had contributed anything positive as a politician or not is immaterial but THROUGH HIS MEANINGFUL SONGS, MGR HAD ALREADY DONE HIS PART

His movies are still popular with the masses & one could witness heavy crowds & shows running to second weeks even now !

Whether as a movie maker or as a politician or as a human being , Makkal thilagam rules supreme

We cannot get another MGR !

Balaji,
That was an excellent post :clap:

Absolute true.

No one can be good for everyone. By knowingly or unknowingly anyone can end up getting bad name from others.

Srinivas,
I could not see anything wrong with ur posts. Your posts are very unique. There may be few mistakes which i am not sure. But there are lots a interesting and new information we could get.

I believe Balaji would have never meant ur posts or other's posts.

But to be frank i was upset with few other's posts for which their intention may not to put MGR in wrong foot. But the way it was written i feel it shd have been avoided.

Murali,
Carry on ur good work. Your posts are real gem.
:)

joe

15th August 2006, 08:09 AM

balaji,
If you think any of my posts in NT's thread is degrading MGR ,Pls accept my apology ,but for sure ,I too respect and admire MGR a lot ,especially I am a hardcore fan of MGR's songs.

joe

15th August 2006, 02:12 PM

Kalakkum Naadodi mannan

http://www.thatstamil.com/specials/cinema/specials/mgr_1.html

groucho070

15th August 2006, 03:19 PM

I have apologised on this matter before, but forgot to whom.

And so Balaji, if I had written any undesirable lines please forgive me. I shall be careful in my writing. Promise.

Murali Srinivas

16th August 2006, 11:06 AM

Dear Thiru,

Thanks a lot.

Regards

Jilaba

16th August 2006, 12:59 PM

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Its really sad & unfortunate to see Makkal thilagam’s name being tarnished time & again in NT’s thread .

Even some senior hubbers & knowledgeable guys there seem to target Pon mana chemmal either directly or indirectly which doesn’t augur well

To my knowledge, NT-MG had shared excellent off screen relationship sans their political rivalry

If MG had been so wicked or bad, more than 2 million wouldn’t have come to pay last respects .
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Mr. Balaji
I can understand whom you are targetting. It is saradha madam.

You know, though I am not rendering any valuable posts in the threads, but I a regular reader of all the threads especially yours. I always surprise about your memory power in postings and at the same time saradha madam is specialist in bringing some rare and unheared informations. In the same way she brought some informations related to MGR and Shivaji.

How can you say that she is degrading MGR?.

When Mr.Murali Srinivas was explaining about the attack done for Shivaji at election time in 1980, she eloborated the facts, which had published in Newspapers that time. What way it is wrong?. Are you ready to accept 'what MGR told about that incidents (which is degrading shivaji to the bottom) is correct?'.

When you are ready to lift MGR to the level of a God, why you hesitate to know about his another face?.

MGR threatended B.R.Bandhulu for cutting the scenes of M.N.Nambiar in Ayirathil oruvan is another fact, because she mentioned it was nerrated by Bandhulu himself in Pesum Padam monthly.

Another wound for Shivaji fans is, the attacks done by directors and producers on shivaji, eventhough they gained more money from shivaji movies. She showed a good example about APN who got very big collections thro his thiruvilaiyadal, saraswathi sabatham, navarathiri, thillana mohanambal etc, but told in 'arikkai' "I was lost by shivaji movies".

Are you ready to accept this?. Really are they failure movies?. (note one thing, she did not mentioned any MGR's involvement in this).

After meeting a big loss thro' MGR's Navarathinam, APN died in heart attack because of the bad result and big loss.

Why we should not take it as a punishment given by God, for hurting the innocent Shivaji, who is always in a policy 'thaan undu, than velaiyundu'?.

Mr. Murali and others no need to appologise this much, when you are telling the truth.

As saradha rightly mentioned "Unmaigal sudum. adhai thaangikolla mana pakkuvam vendum".

joe

16th August 2006, 03:07 PM

Jilaba,
I share the same feeling .well said!

Thirumaran

16th August 2006, 09:38 PM

I have questions to moderators.

Is the deviation from the topic is not allowed only in Shivaji's thread?

Is that people can say the So Called Truth only abt MGR or is that allowed for Shivaji too :?:

Are we maintaing 2 different standards for the 2 great legends :?:

If we consider Jilaba's post as right in saying his/her opinion, Are other's also allowed to express their opinions?

NOV

17th August 2006, 06:10 AM

Fair question Thirumaran.
Let's stop here.

NOV

17th August 2006, 06:12 AM

Fair question Thirumaran.
Let's stop here.

joe

17th August 2006, 08:51 AM

MGR's songs are always the highlight of his movies .Being a technician himself MGR was very particular about the camera angles during the songs .

In the movie 'Padagotti ' there is a beautiful song 'Koduthathellam koduththan' .MGR walking with fishing nets on his shoulder .During the lines "Ethu vantha poothum pothuventru vaiththu vaazhkintra perai vaazthiduvom" ,for each word MGR change his hand direction and the camera zoom in for each word .It looks beautiful.

Nakeeran

17th August 2006, 01:27 PM

Fair question Thirumaran.
Let's stop here.

Nov

thanks for your moderation here . Will u pls delete some unwanted posts in this thread also.

IMO, some 30 pages earlier are just worth dustbin stuff & unnecessary arguments & bashings appear in the earlier pages

tfmlover

17th August 2006, 08:21 PM

Fair question Thirumaran.
Let's stop here.

Apdi podu aruvaala !

selvakumar

19th August 2006, 07:09 PM

s balaji :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :2thumbsup:
where are you selvakumar :?:
vanthu whistleladeenga selvakumar

Yes !! Should do that ! That was an awesome post from S.Balaji..BTW, :) I think it is high time to submit a request to RR to add "whistle" icon if not for the entire hub but for the TF section :lol: We need that icon badly :( :wink: :P

Balaji,
Expecting more updates like this :thumbsup: :D

Nakeeran

23rd August 2006, 05:14 PM

[tscii:9c1af24b46]Really surpised to hear that MGR had played a Doctor’s role in PUDHIYA BHUMI in 1968 !

I believe he works in a village as a doctor

Great !

GIVING A VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO DOCTORS URGING THEM TO MOVE TO VILLAGES & SERVE THE POOR !

Vooooooooww ! Puratchi thalaivare , there is no boundary one can define to your messages .

One lovely song he sings with a Aattu kutti on his shoulder I just watched it recently !

Posting a song penned by Kavignar Kannadasan & composed by MSV .

Naan ungal veettup pillai
idhu oorr arintha unmai

naan selluginra paadhai
perarignar kaattum paadhai

kaalamthorum paadam kurum maarudhal inge thevai

Ezhai eliyor thuyaram pokkum seyale endhan sevai

Idhayam enbadhu rojaavaanaal ninaive narumnamaagum Terrific lyrics :D

Enge idhayam ange vaazhum anbe ennai aalum

kovil enraal gopuram kaattum dheyvam undu ange

Ullam enraal uyarnthu kaattum ennam vendum inge

Pirandha naade sirantha kovil pesum mozhiye dheyvam

Idhai marandhidaamal vaazhndhu vandhaal gopuramaagum kolgai

unakkoru pangum enakkoru pangum ulagil nichchayam undu

Ovvoru manidhan uzhaippinaalum ulagam sezhippadhundu

Edhu vandhaalum erruk kondaal thunive thunaiyaay maarum

Ilaiyor kuttam thalaimai thaangum bumiye pudhiya bumi

Super lyrics !

Finally he wins the heart of the village girl – an easy guess – JJ !

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joe

23rd August 2006, 05:50 PM

//One lovely song he sings with a Aattu kutti on his shoulder //

Isn't it 'Puththan Yesu Ghandi piranthathu"?

nilavupriyan

23rd August 2006, 05:52 PM

//One lovely song he sings with a Aattu kutti on his shoulder //

Isn't it 'Puththan Yesu Ghandi piranthathu"?

yah..in rain!

saradhaa_sn

23rd August 2006, 06:18 PM

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Nakeeran

23rd August 2006, 06:51 PM

Hi all !

Both Naan ungal veetu pillai &
Budhan yesu gandhi

MGR holds an Aatu kutti .

I saw Naan ungal veetu pillai recently & hence could remember it easily :D
The shot comes when he completes it & then looks left side like a flash as if he is giving a pose for photo :D

Nakeeran

23rd August 2006, 06:58 PM

VALLALE NEE VAZGA ENGAL IDAYA KANI

A song goes like this in IDAYAKANI :D

True to his image, even after his death, he CONTINUES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE POOR

MGR Memorial Charitable Trust

This trust started functioning in the year 1988 in memory and as per the wishes of PURATCHI THALAIVAR , MAKKAL THILAGAM .

This Trust is born out of the last registered will of Late MGR

Tears spontaneously pour out of my eyes even while I read the MAIN OBJECTIVES OF THE WILL :

The main objectives of this trust as evisaged in the will are

a) to establish and maintain a free home for the poor speech and hearing impaired in the Ramavaram Gardens where he lived for long , popularly called as Ramavaram Thottam

b) to establish and maintain a memorial at 27, Arcot Mudali Street , Chennai M.G.R's Office containing a vast collection of books and various articles and awards recieved by Dr.M.G.R during his lifetime from various organisations and people.

c) to maintain and derive income from the properties of Late MGR at Sathya Gardens, Saligramam and Sathya Studios, Adyar and use it to maintain the free home for the poor speech and hearing impaired at Ramavaram Gardens and maintain and derive income from the MGR Market, Alandur and use it to maintain the MGR Memorial House, T.Nagar

Mr.M.Rajendran (chosen by Dr.M.G.R himself ) is the Trustee of this trust.
He succeeded Dr.N.C.Ragavachari, Senior Advocate who was the first executor of the will of MGR.

The address is given below :

MGR Memorial Charitable Trust

MGR Memorial Building,

27, Arcot Mudali Street ,

Chennai 600017

Phone (044) 24937382

IRUNDHALUM MARAINDHALUM PER SOLLA VENDUM IVAR POLA YAR ENDRU UR SOLLA VENDUM

When it comes to DONATING , no one can match MGR.

Thats why he is called Pon mana chemmal :D

selvakumar

23rd August 2006, 07:42 PM

The song with 'aattu lutty' in his shoulder is from "Puthiya Boomi".

"Buddhan Yesu Gandhi Pirandhathu" is from Chandrodhayam, with poor people in rain.

:thumbsup:

That was a wonderful song with a deep analysis on the minds of the poor and the suppressed !

It is a motivating one indeed ! Positive and encouraging one !

:notworthy:

Nakeeran sir,
Continue with more updates ! :thumbsup:

Thirumaran

24th August 2006, 04:45 AM

http://sify.com/entertainment/movies/tamil/boxoffice/fullstory.php?id=14275750

A 50-year-old MGR film Nadodi Mannan a re-release has made it to the fifth place, due to excellent weekend collections in two Chennai screens.

:clap: That is phenomenal for a 50 year old film and considering the fact that it comes after 18 years after the death of MGR. It could be possible only for Makkal Thilagam :thumbsup:

tfmlover

24th August 2006, 05:52 AM

VETTAIYAADU VILLAIYAADU ! :clap: :clap: :clap:

http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l203/tfmlover/?action=view&current=arasakattalaimgr.jpg

joe

24th August 2006, 08:45 AM

tfmlover

24th August 2006, 09:00 AM

gowravam paarkame konjam enakum puriiyara maadri solunga joe
:D

joe

24th August 2006, 09:22 AM

gowravam paarkame konjam enakum puriiyara maadri solunga joe
:D

Tfmlover,
I am not clear what are you asking..But I assume you are asking about the Pazhamozhi I mentioned "Yaanai Irunthaalum ayiram pon,Marainthaalum aayiram pon".Elephant's Thantham has rich value .Even after the elephant died ,it's thantham will have the same value .That is why I mentioned ,MGR's value never fade even after his death.

//gowravam paarkame//
First time ,I got confused.Since you asked me immediately after I changed my avatar to a capture from movie 'Gowrawam' ,I wonder why did you say ,I must explain without seeing Gowrawam movie :lol:

tfmlover

24th August 2006, 09:27 AM

:lol:
i simply wanted to knw wats writen in tamil then thought of addin gowravam i knw u be trigerd
good quote thanks joe

joe

24th August 2006, 09:52 AM

Nadodi Mannan Vizha in chennai
http://www.dinamalar.com/2006aug24/general_tn12.asp

tfmlover

24th August 2006, 10:08 AM

i just see the crowd joe :shock: ..hope they release here too
who knows ?

saradhaa_sn

24th August 2006, 06:56 PM

This trust started functioning in the year 1988 in memory and as per the wishes of Late MGR

:D

tfmlover

25th August 2006, 01:10 AM

http://www.dinamani.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?ID=DS020060819051942&Title=Sunday+%2D+Cover+story&lTitle=LYo+v%FAP%F4%AC

umaramesh

25th August 2006, 11:27 AM

Thirumaran

26th August 2006, 05:57 PM

http://www.dinamani.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?ID=DS020060819051942&Title=Sunday+%2D+Cover+story&lTitle=LYo+v%FAP%F4%AC

:clap:

selvakumar

26th August 2006, 06:35 PM

எம்.ஜி.ஆர். என்ற வள்ளலைப்பற்றி யாருக்கும் எந்த கருத்து வேறுபாடும் இருக்கவே முடியாது.

Very much true. Even during shotting time MGR will serve same food to everyone(irrespective of the status) and he will personally supervise it. He use to offer food those who come to his residence his first question will be ENNA SAPPITINGALA. I came to know all these things as my family friend was working in Cine field. He use to tell lot of things and I could not remember most of them now.

I think even RAMAVARAM THOOTAM is not maintained properly now. His T.Nagar residence was coverted as school for physically handicapped person.

regards
raemsh

Ramesh ! Completely Agree with your points ! :D
Infact, I had a chance to have a glimpse of his Ramavaram Farm house fromoutside. IT was almost over and it was not at all maintained. Pity to see many people forgetting it completely even though they like to use his name all the time !

BTW, Can anyone here post the complete lyrics of the song "Puthan kaanthi Yesu piranthathu poomiyil etharkaaga" !

Let me check out the previous pages of this thread for the same if I could find :)

selvakumar

27th August 2006, 06:04 PM

http://dinamalar.com/2006aug27varamalar/ThodarKatturai.asp

:clap:

:thumbsup:

tfmlover

28th August 2006, 01:45 AM

selvakumar :clap:
budhan yEsu gandhi piranthathu bhoomiyil edarkaaga thOzhaa Ezhai namakaaga
gangai yamunai kaveri vaigai Oduvadhedharkaaga
naalum uzhaithu thaagam edutha thOzhargal namakaaga
kEvikuri pOl mudhuku valainthu uzhaipathu edarkaaga
maanam ondrE perithana enni pizhaikum namakaaga
budhan yEsu gandhi piranthathu bhoomiyil edarkaaga thOzhaa Ezhai namakaaga

nizhall vEndum pOthu maram ondru unndu
pagai vantha pOthu thunnai ondru unndu
irul vantha pOthu vilakkondru unndu
edhirkaalam ondru ellOrkkum unndu
unnmai enbathu endrum ullathu deivathin mozhiyaagum
nanmai enbathu naalai varuvathu nambikkai oliyaagum
budhan yEsu gandhi piranthathu bhoomiyil edarkaaga thOzhaa Ezhai namakaaga

porul konda pErgal manam kondathillai
tharum kaigal thEdi porul vanthadhillai
manam endra kOvil thirakindra nEram
azhaikaamal angE deivam vanthu sErum
azhthavar siripathum sirithavar azhuvathum vidhi vazhi vandhadhillai
oruvarukendrE ullathaiyellaam iraivanum thanthadhillai
budhan yEsu gandhi piranthathu bhoomiyil edarkaaga thOzhaa Ezhai namakaaga
gangai yamunai kaveri vaigai Oduvadhedharkaaga
naalum uzhaithu thaagam edutha thOzhargal namakaaga
MGR VAALI TMS MSV :clap: :thumbsup:

( this is for selvakumar since you astro student
porul konda pErgal manam kondathillai
tharum kaigal thEdi porul vanthadhillai ..unlike with mgr .mgr gave
mgr 's 12 th house ..born to give , naturally a giving person + born celeb in public eye , leader
koduthathaal uyir thapichaar from kiss of death
spiritual and political leader mahatma gandi sun in 12 )

will try and type the lyrics in tamil too

tfmlover

28th August 2006, 06:30 AM

http://www.dinamani.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?ID=DS020060819051942&Title=Sunday+%2D+Cover+story&lTitle=LYo+v%FAP%F4%AC

:clap:

Thirumaran see my vEtaiyaadu vilaiyaadu mgr pose too :)

mr_karthik

28th August 2006, 01:06 PM

'Budhdhan yesu Gandhi pirandhathu'

wow, what a meaningful song with simple words.

Hats-off to the great Kavinger VAALI. :clap: :clap:

(thaadikkarar enna arputhamaa ezuthiyirukkar..!!)

tfmlover

28th August 2006, 03:03 PM

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Thirumaran

28th August 2006, 06:37 PM

http://www.dinamani.com/sunday/sundayitems.asp?ID=DS020060819051942&Title=Sunday+%2D+Cover+story&lTitle=LYo+v%FAP%F4%AC

:clap:

Thirumaran see my vEtaiyaadu vilaiyaadu mgr pose too :)

:? what is this abt ?

selvakumar

29th August 2006, 11:34 AM

( this is for selvakumar since you astro student
porul konda pErgal manam kondathillai
tharum kaigal thEdi porul vanthadhillai ..unlike with mgr .mgr gave
mgr 's 12 th house ..born to give , naturally a giving person + born celeb in public eye , leader
koduthathaal uyir thapichaar from kiss of death
spiritual and political leader mahatma gandi sun in 12 )

will try and type the lyrics in tamil too

Tfmlover :clap: Thanks a lot :notworthy:
Do u know horo of MGR? :P I saw several types of charts for MGR. So, I was a bit confused. What I heard was his lagna is :Kanya and his 12 house lord "sun" was placed in its own house (i.e., leo itself) If that is the case, I think no wonder he remained as a VALLAL by birth itself.
Is this correct? :D

One more thing what I heard was: GURU-CHANDRA Yoga ! That exists for kings ! :D

joe

29th August 2006, 12:22 PM

selvakumar

29th August 2006, 06:02 PM

Selva,
Onnume Puriyallapa! Periya Thanthiriya irupeenga polirukku :D

Nope Joe :D :P I am just learning ! That is it and with the presence of people like tfmlover, sudhaama, Nichiro etc I am enjoying such discussions ! :D

Compared to those people, it will be like a dust placed on a mountain ! :wink:
----------------------------------------
BTW,
Read this news. this blog is one of my frequently visited ones. :banghead: :hammer: @ those who did this cruel act ! if it is true
http://eebarathi.blogspot.com/2006/08/blog-post_115681324465888332.html

leosimha

29th August 2006, 08:01 PM

Also our Thala has got Guru-Chanra raja yoga.....correct me if I am wrong....Also some astrologer has predicted that our thala has got bright chance to enter into politics....

If what you say about MGR is true regarding the SUN in its own house....

In our thala's chart, the SUN is in EXALTED POSITION IN ARIES......which will make him a ruler.....also HE IS GOING TO BE A SUPER STAR SOON....

More over he has got KATAKA LAGNA which shows his MAGNANIMOUS NATURE, GENEROSITY NATURE a lot.........also a sign for becoming a RULER....a SUPER STAR........

tfmlover

30th August 2006, 10:04 AM

Compared to those people, it will be like a dust placed on a mountain ! :wink:
no no NO...selvakumar

selvakumar

30th August 2006, 10:51 AM

Leosimha,
I have replied to you in Thala Ajith's thread
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=719606#719606

Let us keep this thread for one and only Makkal Thilagam MGR ! :D

leosimha

30th August 2006, 03:21 PM

i am sorry for posting an article not related to MGR.....yes...lets keep this topic live.....

leosimha

30th August 2006, 03:30 PM

[tscii:2a617f3e78]MGR - the Man from Marathur and Malai Nadu

Eighty two years ago, a baby boy was born to a migrant couple, Gopala Menon and Sathyabama, in a ‘line-room’ of a tea estate in Kandy. Later, this baby boy would grow into a leader with the name Maruthur Gopalan Ramachandran (popularly adored by Tamils all over the world with the acronym MGR).

MGR with Velupillai PirabaharanMaruthur was the ancestral village in the Kerala state from where his parents hailed from. Many have ridiculed the uncertainty of his birth date, though MGR had used 17 January 1917 in his personal documents. One should sympathise with MGR on this matter because he was born to an Indian immigrant family in a tea plantation in Ceylon, which was then under British colonial rule. Way back in 1917, the health care facilities available for the plantation workers were atrocious, leave alone the requirements related to birth registration. That he survived into adulthood itself was an achievement.

Though as a two-year old he was taken to Kumbakonam by his mother (who had been widowed after the birth of MGR), the destiny would make it that in his last five years of life, MGR would again have close links with the Tamils in the land of his birth. After landing in Tamil Nadu, MGR would rise in his professional ranks with perseverance, hard work and the smile of Lady Luck. He reached the ‘top’, step by step; 10 years as a vaudeville child actor, 10 years as an apprentice actor with secondary roles in movies, 30 years as an ‘uncrowned king’ in the Tamil movie land and finally 10 years as the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu.

Having experienced poverty personally during his young days and forfeiting the opportunity to have a formal education, MGR would see to it that at least one song in his movie had some educational value to the average man.

He would take a keen interest in the theme of the song, its musical composition and its exact appearance in the movie. Not surprisingly, it would turn out to be a hit song. I can recollect a dozen of these songs here:

1. Acheham enpathu madamaiyadah - Anjaamai Dravidar udamaiyadah (on Dravidian glory and heroism)

2. Thoongathe Thambi Thoongathe - Nee somberi enra peyar vaankaathe (on the consequences of idling and procrastination)

3. Chinna payale Chinna payale Chethi keladah (on character-building and self confidence)

4. Thirudathe - Paapaa Thirudathe (on prevention of bad habits, especially stealing, while young)

5. Moonrezhuthil En Moochchirukkum - Athu mudinthapin thaane Pechehirukkum (on the dignity of duty)

6. Onru Engal Jathiye - Ouru Engal Neethiye (on the unity of human race)

7. Unnai Arinthaal Nee Unnai Arinthaal Ulagthil Pooradalaam (on developing self confidence)

8. Buddhan Jesu Gandhi pirandathu Bhoomiyil etharkaaka (on the dignity of labour)

9. Atho Antha paravai pola vazhayendum (on freedom and liberty)

10. Thaayillamal Naanillai Thaane evarum piranthathillai (on mother love)

11. Chirithu vazhavendum - Nee chirikka vazhnthidathe (on dignity of the labour)

12. Poomazhai thoovi vasanthangal vaaztha oorvalam nadakkirathu.(on sibling love)

MGR would also make sure that he will teach good manners and discipline to the masses through the movies. Therefore, in the characters he played in 120-odd movies, he would never smoke or take alcoholic drinks. On top of that, he would never physically or mentally abuse women. This self-imposed rigidity restricted the character roles he would play and movie critics ridiculed him for this 'un-natural style' of his characters. But MGR would have the last word. Ultimately, he claimed the respected honorific ‘vaathiyar’ (teacher) in its proper sense of the word.

Call it a mere coincidence or the destiny of Eelam Tamils, that when the liberation struggle began earnestly in 1977, MGR would become the chief minister of the Tamil Nadu. Though his interest in the problems of Eelam Tamils remained passive till 1982, the ethnic holocaust of 1983 kindled his support for the Eelam cause. 1983 also saw the change in guard among the political leaders of the Eelam Tamils. MGR had never felt comfortable with the TULF leadership since he had perceived them as emotionally more close to the DMK leadership.

When the leadership mantle in the struggle for Eelam needed a change and a boost, MGR became the god-father of the LTTE and made sure that the ‘new born baby’ would not suffer a premature death in the hands of wily J.R.Jayewardene...

To his allies in politics, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, the link that MGR had with the LTTE proved embarrassing. But they simply had to ignore it for their own political survival in the South India. For the support that he extended to the Tamil Eelam cause, MGR became the arch-enemy of the Sinhalese power brokers from 1983 till his death in December 1987.

Many Eelam Tamils also did not expect much from MGR after his skirmish with the TULF leadership at the 1981 Madurai Tamil International Conference. But, now in hindsight, one can see how vital was the support of MGR for the Eelam cause from 1983 till his death.

That the admiration Tamil masses had for MGR was not purely a ‘cinema craze’ was proved in India, when movie stars of equal stature such as Sivaji Ganesan, N.T. Rama Rao and Amitabh Bachehan could not transfer their popularity in movies to the political world. The political careers of Sivaji Ganesan and Amitabh Bachehan never took off from the ground.

Only N.T.Rama Rao was able to become the chief minister of Andhra Pradesh and he too lost that position subsequently. To my friends in the USA, when I tried to explain the unusual career of MGR, I called him a "three-in-one". He had the movie magic of John Wayne, the political success of Ronald Reagan and the messianic appeal of Martin Luther King Jr.

How could one explain the extraordinary career of MGR, which began in Kandy and ended in Madras? Though not considered a native in the place of his birth or in Tamil Nadu where he grew up and called it home, he became the adored leader, who would be envied by every local politician.

At least Kavi Arasu Kannadasan (who had been a close friend and sometimes harshest critic of MGR) had an answer. In 1980, Kannadasan noted that MGR was blessed with an "Asura jathakam" (devil’s horoscope). Not everyone will agree with that assessment. But, considering the unfavourable odds he faced in his life and the ‘fights’ he won, definitely there should have been a blessing from the devil which protected him in so many trials.

Like other great leaders and revolutionaries, MGR also had his weaknesses. But these do not detract the good deeds he did for the down-trodden in Tamil Nadu and for Eelam Tamils who landed in India as refugees after 1983. MGR was neither an intellectual nor a folk philosopher. But his life-time teaching was short and simple; "Fight for your Rights". That’s what he preached in his 100-odd movies. ...We miss you, Vathiyar.[/tscii:2a617f3e78]

leosimha

30th August 2006, 04:47 PM

[tscii:d42dbacdb8]Biography Of MG Ramachandran

The (Celluloid) King of the South
M.R. Radha, a leathery actor well known for playing the villain in Tamil films, had a grouse. There had been a fight with the matinee idol of millions of Tamilians, only a low days ago, in the studio.
Radha drove straight to the vast mansion in the suburbs of Madras and fired three shots at point blank range at its owner. I he bullets just grazed the neck of the victim. He was rushed to the Royapettah I lospital. The doctors called it a miraculous nscape. Before the victim reached the hospital, the news of the shoot out had loached the very length and breadth of Madras. Thousands and thousands of fans reached the hospital. The police got worried nbout the assailant. They had to protect him.
When the crowd was informed that their idol has won over death, there was a thunder of applause. The idol had proved once again what he had been proving in all his films. Invincibility and the victory of good over evil.
This happened about two months before the 1967 elections. I he assailant, after a lengthy trial, was sentenced to seven years ngorous imprisonment. And the victim?
He went on to head the Government of Tamilnadu. And his name was Maruthm Gopala Ramachandra Menon, popularly known as MGR.
MGR’s is a typical rags-to riches story. From a childhood of plain starvation to an adulthood of un-crowned kingship of theFilm World and crowned “Kingship” of a state, MGR travelled i long long road, full of ups and downs…
Maruthm Gopala Ramachandra Menon was born in Kandy? Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon) on 17January 1917. But this is a controversial date; some people say that MGR was born at least seven years earlier. His elder brother, M.G. Chakrapani, himself a retired actor and producer, is certain that MGR’s actual date of birth cannot be more than six months removed, either way, from the official date.
It is an interesting contradiction that MGR, a Malayalee, should have risen spectacularly within the DMK—a Tamil chauvinist party. But the fact that his mother-tongue is Malayalam, and not the alliterative Tamil he practises on political platforms, was largely forgotten—till his rivals raked up the issue in 1973 when he broke away from the DMK and formed his own party. In all fairness, it should be said that Tamil was the only language MGR could read, write and speak fluently.
As with his birth date, the question of what his father did for a living gets conflicting answers. Was he a magistrate? Or a college principal? A tea plantation labourer? Chakrapani himself does not remember, but he is inclined to accept the popular version: that his father was a junior civil servant. Whatever he was, MGR’s father did not leave any savings behind. After his death, his family—bereaved and pennyless—was brought to Palghat, a town in Kerala, by an uncle who left the widow and her three children, the first of them a girl, to their own devices as soon as they reached Palghat. “We never saw our uncle again,” says Chakrapani. “Nobody knows what happened to him after he reached us to Palghat.”
The days in Palghat were worse than the days in Sri Lanka. The only person whom the family knew well enough to trust was a retired police constable Velu Nair. An old friend of MGR’s father, he arranged for the family to stay with his sister in Kumbakonam, a town in Tamil Nadu. Kumbakonam did not result in any miracles; Velu Nair’s sister was barely making a living herself and feeding a family of four was just beyond her meagre means. Velu Nair his mistake soon enough and moved the family to a .npiirate house. And in spite of his age and indifferent health, he looks up a job to support the three children and their sick mother.
MGR, around seven then, and Chakrapani, were studying in i Government school when Velu Nair’s employers were forced into bankruptcy—and the family slid from poverty to plain iinrvation. Provisions ran out a few days after Velu Nair lost his juh, and the boys knew they had to choose between getting an . ( location and getting a job for the survival of the family. MGR still nmiembers those terrible days. When his political opponents played up the allegation that he knew little or nothing about managing government finances, MGR said: “I may not know the intricacies of high finance and I do not claim to be a pundit in economics. But what I do know is hunger and starvation. I have h Ht them for days on end when my mother had nothing to offer us children when we returned home from school. I also know how it loels to be without work, without the money it brings in. I have i |one up and down countless steps looking for a job and I have heard a thousand times the dreaded words, ‘no vacancy’. I will do everything I can so that mothers in Tamil Nadu don’t suffer as my mother did years ago.” That was not the first time he said that, either. For years, MGR has been turning his past into a powerful weapon.
A travelling drama troupe, quaintly named Madurai Original Boys’ Company, was camping then at Kumbakonam and playing to packed houses from ten in the night to four in the morning. MGR and his brother, the former only ten years of age, went backstage one day and were immediately hired as apprentice actors. “In those days, young boys were in great demand by travelling troupes since young girls and women refused to go on stage,” recalls Chakrapani. “Boys were dressed up in colourful sarees and were taught to play all kinds of female roles with impunity—if they had a trilling voice that could pass off as a girl’s.” The young boys, fair and handsome saw some hope at last. But their luck ran out when their voices ‘broke’ and took a deep, manly ring. They could not sing or deliver high-pitched marathon monologues anymore, and they were politely shown the way out.
Bent on a stage career, MGR soon landed himself a m sized acting job in another company. Quite different from In. earlier song and dance routine, the new act demanded a lot ni mock-fighting and fairly dangerous stunts. Doggedly, MGR leami all the tricks of the tumbling trade. Chakrapani, who also found i job for himself in the same company, says: “Many people wantci to learn the stunts but most of them found the training very rigorou. and quit the company in no time. MGR is one of those who staye* I till the end.”
So good was MGR, that when the company toured Burma, entertaining the Tamil settlers, MGR was given star billing Returning from the tour, MGR went back to the old company and played more adult roles. When a popular play Sati Leelavatiwas made into a film in the early ‘forties, MGR got his first movie break—with a minor role lasting a few screen minutes. Over the next few years, he continued acting in costume plays-and in listless movies. In 1947, MGR acted in Rajakumari, a film that lifted him from the obscurity of andextra’ to genuine stardom.
MGR had started taking interest in politics by the time Rajakumari had hit the silver screen. Like most Indians of that time, MGR’s political awareness was limited to admiring Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru. Sharing the prevailing feeling of patriotism, he was briefly attracted to the Congress Party, and attended a few meetings wearing homespun khadi cloth. But it was E.V. Ramaswamy Naicker (EVR), a “blasphemous” rabble-rouser, who stirred MGR’s political imagination. A Brahmin-baiter and a loud-thinking atheist, EVR initiated the ’self-respect’ movement that sought to liberate the low castes from the tyranny of ostracism practised by the upper castes. EVR’s militancy extended to accusing the Aryan North of imposing their rule on the Dravidians. Dravida Kazhagam, EVR’s Party, was more interested in reformation than in politics; it attracted many talented young men and women, prominent among them were Annadurai and Karunanidhi.
MGR was close to Annadurai; their friendship lasted till Anna died in ‘69. But when Anna and his friends quit the Dravida the following EVR’s marriage to a person 25 years his iii ii, MGR decided to join the newly formed Dravida Munnetra i/liiujam (DMK). “There were several reasons why we walked ii Ni the Dravida Kazhagam,” recalls Chakrapani. “EVR had iniixl one of his own pet social codes that old men should not my girls several years younger. And then EVR was not a bit iiuciatic; he also did not want participation in the politics of MGR’s movie career started moving upwards in the ‘fifties, lion-filled capers like AH Baba and the Forty Thieves and inliiiknllan kept the box-office full for weeks at a stretch. Annadurai t I Karunanidhi had just then realised the importance of celluloid ililics and MGR was only to happy to drum up popular support 1 ‘i IIio DMK through many of his films—a line here on Anna’s i ililical strategy, a song there on the party symbol (the rising mi) When colour came to Tamil films, MGR often wore a red hhl tucked into black trousers, with more regard to his Party i hull the costume designer’s feelings; black and red are the two Hours of the DMK flag.
No one can accuse MGR of preaching “immorality” in his movies. For instance, he did not drink, smoke, swear or gamble— on the screen or off it. Women merited his undivided respect; ovon though you see him indulging in hectic romance in any number of films, one does not remember any film in which he hns gone further on the logical road. Even when a wicked plot i hove him into spending a lonely night with a young woman, MGR would rather curl up with a book written by Anna than make umorous advances. Or he would suspend a makeshift curtain (with a red and black border, perhaps), between himself and the “lomptation".
For older women, especially his screen mothers, MGR 11 (served an equally solicitous attitude. He was all that any mother could ever hope for in her son: loving, responsible, reverent-and fio obedient, he was always sacrificing his own happiness for MGR’s concern for mothers had a personal parallel; lm mother lived long enough to see him succeed as an actor—I ml not long enough to see him as a superstar. His popularity rose ti > stupendous heights only in the ’60s. MGR could not help feelimj that life dealt his mother a raw deal what with the early widowhood, and the death of her first surviving daughter—MGR’s sister wlm died of tuberculosis when she was just 20.
Fur-capped (because he was bald), and wearing dark glasses all the time, MGR was a demi-God dispensing promises of happiness to thousands, women in particular. His public meetings got as many women as men; in some rural pockets, the women outnumbered men. Young mothers brought in their newborn babies to be named by MGR, hoping the children will have a bright future. Housewives cheered him lustily whenever he aired his life-long aversion to alcohol—and promises to keep Tamil Nadu dry. MGR’s popularity as a romantic hero-cum-benefactor is still alive today.
In his late years, too heavy around the midriff and too old to be dashing, MGR nevertheless teamed up with a number of teenage girls. The heroines of old MGR films, Bhanumati, Saroja Devi, Padmini, and E.V. Saroja, ceased to play romantic roles a long time back. But MGR never faced a problem getting young heroines: he had Manjula, Latha and Padmapriya. Among them Latha became his favourite. When a journalist asked MGR about the possible miscasting, MGR had a ready answer: “I only act with them,” he told the Bombay-based journalist. “I don’t marry them.”
On the screen, MGR wooed and married his heroine with much fanfare. Colourful, with a fairly good musical score, MGR movies featured him in a medley of roles; factory worker, farmer, rickshaw-puller, trade union leader, village bumpkin, CID officer, landlord, boatman and poet. MGR played each role to a Robin Hood formula—champion of the underdog, who is truthful, generous and totally honest.
MGR’s first marriage was short lived; even the second Miimiage did not last all that long; both wives died. His third wife Jiuiaki, a former actress, divorced her husband Ganapati Bhat, Id marry him. None of them could give him a child. When MGR dcicided to set up his own political outfit, the DMK sought to tell I it tuple that a man who has not had a child is not fit to be a ruler. A cruel thing to say. Equally cruel was calling him Ramchandra Monon (referring to his Malayalee origin) when he formed his own putty.
About his place in films and politics, he once said:
“I first made contact with the people through my films. Now in politics I find that I can contact more people than before and II10 people are more attached to me. Politics, like films, is a matter l communicating with the people.
“For any man it is not enough what he thinks of himself. The people should believe what he is. If I was not really what I am projecting on the screen, then the people would have abandoned me long ago. For more than 30 years I have been trying to project what I really am. This should be understood in perspective. I have acted the part of a handcart puller or coal miner in two of my most popular films. Well, if you asked me if I actually lived like the characters I have portrayed, the answer would be obvious. In the circumstances, I would not be able to live like I want to. But I live with as much simplicity as possible, despite what I could otherwise afford."A ‘true’ heartthrob of the millions!![/tscii:d42dbacdb8]

joe

4th September 2006, 01:22 PM

இரு திருப்பங்களும், இணைந்திருந்த கலைஞரும்
சின்னராசு

திரையுலகில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு இரண்டு வருடங்கள் சிறிது அவகாசம் கிடைத்தது போல படங்கள் அதிகம் இல்லாத நிலையில் அதையே நல்லதொரு சந்தர்ப்பமாக பயன்படுத்தி பொதுவாழ்விலும் பங்கு பெற பயிற்சி பெற்றது போல தி.மு.கழக கூட்டங்களிலும், மாநாடுகளிலும் அதிகமாக கலந்துகொண்டு மக்கள் தொடர்பை வளர்த்தார்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., நம்பியாரும் நீண்ட நெடுங்காலம் உண்மையான நண்பர்களாய் ஒருவர் மீது ஒருவருக்கு மதிப்பு குறையாமல் அதே சமயம் மிகுந்த உரிமையுடனும் பழகிவந்தார்கள். தனிமையான சூழ்நிலைகளில் நம்பியார் மிகுந்த உரிமை எடுத்துக்கொண்டு எம்.ஜி.ஆரை விமர்சிப்பது போல பேச்சையும் பழக்கத்தையும் வைத்துக் கொள்வார். எம்.ஜி.ஆர். எந்த நிலையிலும் தனக்கு நல்லதையே எண்ணுவார் என்பதை நம்பியார் தெளிவாக புரிந்திருந்தாலும் நேரில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். இருக்கக்கூடிய இடங்களில் இந்த மனிதரிடம் எச்சரிக்கையாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என்று மற்றவர் முன் நம்பியார் பேசிக்காட்டுவார்.

நம்பியார் ஏதோ கடுமையாக பேசுவதுபோல தெரிந்தாலும் உண்மையான அன்பினாலேயே தன்னிடம் உரிமை எடுத்துக்கொண்டு பேசுகிறார் என்பது எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு நன்றாகப் புரியும்.

‘ஆயிரத்தில் ஒருவன்‘ படம் வெளிவந்த புதிதில் வேறொரு படப்பிடிப்பிற்காக சத்யா ஸ்டுடியோவில் நம்பியார் மேக்கப் போட்டுக்கொண்டு அந்த அறையில் சற்று காத்துக் கொண்டிருந்தார். அடுத்த அறையில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு மேக்கப் நடந்து கொண்டிருந்தது.

அந்த சமயம் எம்.ஜி.ஆரை சந்திப்பதற்காக ‘ஆயிரத்தில் ஒருவன்‘ படத்தின் தயாரிப்பாரும், இயக்குனருமான பி.ஆர்.பந்துலு வந்துக் கொண்டிருந்தார். அவர் நம்பியார் அறையை தாண்டிச் செல்லும்போது, அவரை கவனித்துவிட்ட நம்பியார் வெளியே எழுந்து வந்தவராய் பந்துலுவை சற்று நிறுத்தி அடுத்த அறையில் இருக்கும் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு கேட்கும்விதமாக சற்று சத்தமாக பேச ஆரம்பித்தார்.

'பந்துலு சார், என்னை வஞ்சம் தீர்க்கணும்னு எத்தனை நாளாக காத்திருந்தீங்க? ‘ஆயிரத்தில் ஒருவன்‘ படத்தில் டைட்டிலில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு அடுத்தப் பெயராக என் பெயரை பெரிதாகப் போட்டு என்னை விளம்பரப்படுத்தி இருக்கிறீர்களே, எனக்கு இவ்வளவு பெரிய இடத்தை தந்தால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் சும்மா இருப்பாரா? அடுத்தார்போல் என்னை மட்டம் தட்ட அந்த மனிதர் எதையாவது செய்துவிடுவாரே. இது தெரிந்திருந்தும் என்னை அந்த மனிதரிடம் மாட்டிவிட்டது நியாயமா?' என்று நம்பியார் சப்தமாக பேசினார்.

அத்தனையும் அடுத்த அறையில் மேக்கப் போட்டுக் கொண்டிருக்கும் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு நன்றாக கேட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தது. அப்படி அவருக்கு கேட்கவேண்டும் என்பதற்குத்தானே நம்பியாரும் பேசினார்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர். குணத்தின் மீது குற்றம் சுமத்துவது போல நம்பியார் பேசினாலும் உண்மையில் அவர் மீதுள்ள ஆழ்ந்த நட்பினால் அவரை விமர்சிப்பது போல நம்பியார் பேசுகிறார் என்பது எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு தெரியும் என்கிற விவரம் பந்துலுவுக்கு நன்றாகப் புரியும். அதனால் அவர் சிரித்துக்கொண்டே எம்.ஜி.ஆர். இருந்த அறைக்கு சென்றுவிட்டார்.

நம்பியார் அதன் உதாரணமாய் எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடம் அதிக உரிமை எடுத்துக்கொண்டு இம்மாதிரி பேசுவதெல்லாம் தங்கள் நல்ல நட்பு மீது மற்றவர் கண் விழுந்துவிடக்கூடாது என்பதற்காக இருக்கலாம். அதனால்தான் பொது இடங்களில் தங்களுக்குள் உள்ள ஆழமான நட்பை அப்பட்டமாக வெளிப்படுத்த இருவருமே விரும்புவது இல்லை.

சென்னையில் ஒரு விழாவில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர், சிவாஜி, நம்பியார் எல்லாரும் கலந்து கொண்டார்கள்.அந்த விழாவில் சிவாஜியை எம்.ஜி.ஆர் கட்டிப்பிடித்து அவருக்கு ஒரு முத்தம் தந்தார்.அருகில் நின்று கொண்டிருந்த நம்பியார் உடனே எம்.ஜி.ஆரை நெருங்கி, 'என்ன, அவருக்கு மட்டும்தான் முத்தமா? எனக்கு இல்லையா?' எனக் கேட்டார். அதற்கு எம்.ஜி.ஆரோ, 'உங்களுக்கு இல்லை. இருந்தால்தான் அப்போதே கொடுத்திருப்பேனே' என்று அவையோரை சிரிக்க வைத்தார்.

நம்பியார் முத்தத்தை எதிர்பார்த்து ஏமாந்துவிட்டதை போல முகத்தை வைத்துக்கொண்டாலும் உண்மையில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கும், நம்பியாருக்கும் இடையே உள்ள நட்பு மிக ஆழமானது. அந்தரங்கமானது. புனிதமானது. அது எப்போதுமே ஏமாற்றத்தை தராது என்பது அவர்கள் இருவருக்கும் மட்டும்தானே தெரியும்.

புரட்சித் தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் திரையுலக வாழ்க்கையில் இரண்டு முக்கிய கால கட்டங்களை யாரும் மறக்க முடியாது. எம்.ஜி.ஆர். திரைப்படங்களில் துணை வேடங்களில் நடித்து வந்த சந்தர்ப்பம் அது. கோவை சென்ட்ரல் ஸ்டுடியோவில் ‘ஸ்ரீ முருகன்‘ படத்திற்காக சிவன் வேடத்தில் நடித்து வந்த எம்.ஜி.ஆர். அதற்காக நாட்டியக் காட்சியில் நடிப்பதற்கு கடுமையான பயிற்சிகளை மேற்கொண்டு வந்த காலக்கட்டத்தில், இவர் எதிர்காலத்தில் தனக்கென ஒரு இடத்தை தமிழ் திரையுலகில் பிடிப்பார் என்ற நம்பிக்கை ஒருவர் மனதில் ஆழமாகப் பதிந்து அவர்தான் ‘ஜுபிடர் பிக்ஸர்ஸ்‘ ஆஸ்தான கலைஞரான இயக்குனர் ஏ.எஸ்.ஏ.சாமி அங்கே எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் திறமைகளை நேரில் கண்டு, அடுத்து ஜுபிடர் தயாரிக்கும் ‘ராஜகுமாரி‘ என்ற படத்தில் இவருக்கு முக்கிய வேடம் தர வேண்டும் என முடிவு செய்துகொண்டார்.

அதே சமயம் இயக்குனர் ஏ.எஸ்.ஏ.சாமியின் உதவியாளராக கதை, வசனம் எழுத கலைஞர் கருணாநிதி ஜுபிடர் பிக்ஸர்ஸில் பணியில் சேர்ந்திருந்தார். கிட்டத்தட்ட அவருடைய கை வண்ணத்திலேயே ‘ராஜகுமாரி‘ படத்தின் திரைக்கதை, வசனம் முழுமையாக உருவாயிற்று. அந்தப் படத்தின் திரைக்கதை, வசனம் முழுமையாக உருவாயிற்று. அந்தப் படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்து படம் பெரிய வெற்றி பெற்றதும் திரையுலகில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் சகாப்தம் 1948ல் ஆரம்பமாயிற்று எனச் சொல்லலாம்.

இந்த சமயத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும், அவருடைய தமையனார் எம்.ஜி.சக்கரபாணி அவர்களும் கலைஞரின் எழுத்தாற்றலை நன்றாகப் புரிந்து கொண்டார்கள். எனவே கலைஞரிடம் தனி மரியாதையுடன் பழகி வந்தார்கள். அதன்பின் ஜுபிடர் பிக்ஸர்ஸ் தயாரித்த 'அபிமன்யு' படத்திலும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். அர்ஜுனனாக பொருத்தமான வேடத்தில் கலைஞரின் வசனத்தைப் பேசி நடித்து பாராட்டுதலும் பெற்றார்.

அதன்பின் வெளிப்பட கம்பெனி ஒன்று தயாரித்த ‘மருத நாட்டு இளவரசி‘ என்ற படத்தில் கலைஞரின் கதை வசனத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கதாநாயகனாக நடித்து அந்தப் படமும் மகத்தான வெற்றி பெற்றது.

அதனை அடுத்து மாடர்ன் தியேட்டர்ஸ் தயாரித்த ‘மந்திரிகுமாரி‘ படத்தில் கலைஞரின் கதை வசனத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர், கதாநாயகனாக நடித்து அந்தப் படமும் திரையுலகிலேயே ஒரு சாதனை வெற்றிப்படமாக அமைந்தது. கலைஞரின் கதை வசனத்தில் தொடர்ந்து சில படங்களில் நடித்து எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் சிறந்த திறமை எல்லாம் வெளிப்படுத்தப்பட்டு தமிழ்த் திரையுலகில் ஒரு எழுச்சிமிக்க கதாநாயகனாக எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வலம் வரலானார்.

அதனைத் தொடர்ந்து 'மர்மயோகி', 'சர்வாதிகாரி' போன்ற பிரம்மாண்டமான படங்களில் எல்லாம் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் நடித்து புதிய சாதனைகளைப் படைத்தார். அந்த வரிசையில் குமாரி என்ற படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்தது, அதில் பேசிய சில வசனங்கள் நடிப்புலகில் அவர் செய்யும் சாதனைகளுக்கு விளக்கமாக அமைந்தது.

அந்தப் படத்திலேயே அவர் கூறுவார். 'என் நடிப்பு நாட்டிலே புரட்சியை உண்டுபண்ணுமேயானால் நான் ஒரு புரட்சி நடிகன்தான்' என்று பேசும் வசனமே அவரை அடையாளம் காட்டுவதாக அமைந்தது.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வெற்றிகரமான கதாநாயகனாக ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளப்பட்ட அந்தக் காலக்கட்டத்தில் சமூகப் படங்களும் கணிசமாக வெளிவரத் துவங்கியது. அந்த நாளில் சமூகப் படங்களிலும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடிப்பதற்கு அழைக்கப்பட்டார்.

‘என் தங்கை‘, ‘அந்தமான் கைதி‘ போன்ற படங்களில் எல்லாம் முக்கியமான வேடத்தில் அவர் நடித்தார். அந்த சமயங்களில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கேற்ற சமூகப் படங்களுக்குப் பொருத்தமான விக்குகள் அமையாததால் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் இயற்கையான நீண்ட தலைமுடி சமூகப் படங்களில் அவர் கதாபாத்திரத்தை முழுமையாக சித்தரிக்க முடியாததுபோல் குறையாகத் தெரிந்தது. தவிர, எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் சிறந்த ஆற்றலில் ஒன்றான சண்டைக் காட்சிகள் அந்த இரு சமூகப் படங்களிலும் இல்லாமல் போனது. தவிர, 'என் தங்கை' படம் நெஞ்சை உருக்கும் சோகக் காட்சிகளே நிரம்பிய கதை. இவைகள் எல்லாம் ‘ராஜா ராணி‘ படங்களைப் போல எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு சமூகப் படங்கள் அமையாமல் போனதற்கு காரணமாயின.

இந்நிலையில் 1952ம் ஆண்டு கலைஞர் கருணாநிதி வசனத்தில் சிவாஜி கணேசன் அறிமுகமான ‘பராசக்தி‘ திரைப்படம் வெளியானது. அந்தப் படத்தின் பரபரப்பான வெற்றி தமிழ் பட உலகின் போக்கை மாற்றுவதற்காக அமைந்தது. அதன் காரணமாக 1952லிருந்து 1954 வரை இரண்டு ஆண்டுகள் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். மார்க்கெட் கொஞ்சம் பாதிப்புக்குள்ளானது. அந்தக் காலக்கட்டத்தில் ‘ஜெனோவா‘, ‘பணக்காரி‘, ‘கூண்டுக்கிளி‘, ‘நாம்‘ போன்ற படங்கள் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் நடித்து வெளிவந்தன.

இவைகளில் ‘பணக்காரி‘ என்ற பெயரில் வந்த படம் சமூகப் படம். புகழ்பெற்ற எழுத்தாளரான டால்ஸ்டாய் எழுதிய ‘அன்னா கரினா‘ கதையை மூலமாகக் கொண்டது. இதில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் வேடம் வில்லன் பாத்திரம் போன்ற அமைப்புள்ளது. இந்தப் படம் எதிர்பார்த்த வெற்றியை பெறவில்லை. அதேபோல ‘கூண்டுக்கிளி‘ படமும் சமூகப் படம் இந்தப் படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும், சிவாஜியும் சேர்ந்து நடித்தார்கள். இந்தப் படத்தில் சிவாஜி ஏற்றிருந்தது வில்லன் பாத்திரம். இந்தப் படமும் வெற்றி பெறவில்லை.

இந்தப் படங்களுக்கு முன்னால், கலைஞர் கதை வசனத்தில் 'நாம¢' என்ற படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் நடித்து அது வெளி வந்தது. பகைவர்களால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் முகத்தில் அக்னி திராவகம் வீசப்பட்டு அவர் முகப் பொலிவை இழந்து குமுறுகிற காட்சியில் நீண்ட வசனம் பேசி எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்திருந்தார்.

‘ஜெனோவா‘ படம் மட்டும் ராஜா ராணி படம். பெரிய வெற்றியும் இல்லை, தோல்வியும் இல்லை என்கிற மாதிரி அந்தப் படம் அமைந்தது. இந்நிலையில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் தி.மு.கழகத்தில் ஈடுபாடு கொண்டு, மேடைகளில் அவரும் தோன்ற ஆரம்பித்திருக்கிறார். எனவே, கழகப் பிரச்சாரத்திற்காக 'இன்பக் கனவு' என்ற பெயரில் நாடகம் தயாரித்து தனது சகோதரர் எம்.ஜி.சக்கரபாணியோடு அந்த நாடகங்களை நடத்தி வந்தார்.

குறிப்பாக தி.மு.கழக மாநாட்டுகளில் அந்த நாடகம் நடத்தப்பட்டது. பகலிலே தி.மு.க. மாநாட்டு மேடையிலே பேசுகிற எம்.ஜி.ஆர். இரவிலே மாநாட்டிலே நாடகத்தை நடத்துவார். அந்த சமயம் நெல்லை தி.மு.க. மாநாடு பாளைங்கோட்டையிலே நடந்தது. மாநாட்டில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கலந்து கொள்வதுடன் இரவில் 'இன்பக் கனவு' நாடகம் நடத்த இருப்பதாகவும் விளம்பரம் செய்யப்பட்டன.

அந்தக் காலக்கட்டத்தில்தான் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். அண்ணாவோடு நேரடியாக பேசப்பழக துவங்கியிருந்தார். அண்ணா ஒவ்வொரு பிரச்சினையிலும் இதமாக அணுகி அவைகளை தீர்த்து வைப்பதை எல்லாம் அண்ணா அருகே எம்.ஜி.ஆர் இருந்து கவனித்ததை அவரே ஒரு கட்டுரையில் குறிப்பிட்டிருக்கிறார்.

திருநெல்வேலியில் அண்ணாவோடு ஒரே விடுதியில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தங்கியிருந்த நிலையில் அண்ணாவை பார்க்க தூத்துக்குடி கே.வி.கே.சாமி வந்திருந்தாராம். அண்ணாவோடு கே.வி.கே.சாமி திருநெல்வேலி மாவட்டப் பிரச்சினைகளை பேசிக் கொண்டிருந்ததை எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கூடவே இருந்து கவனித்து வந்திருக்கிறார். நெல்லை மாவட்டத்தில் குறிப்பிட்ட சிலர் போக்கைப் பற்றி அண்ணாவிடம் குறைபட்டுக்கொண்ட கே.வி.சாமி தனது குரலை உயர்த்தியபடி, 'அண்ணா உங்களுக்காகத்தான் நான் பொறுமையாக இருந்திருக்கிறேன். இல்லையென்றால் அவர்களை தூசி பரத்திவிடுவேன்' என்று கூறியபடி கோபமாக கையை ஓங்கி தரையில் அடித்திருக்கிறார்.

அந்த சமயம் அண்ணா தனக்கே உரிய புன்சிரிப்புடன், ‘‘நீங்கள் அங்கே அவர்களை தூசி பரத்தி விடுவ¦ர்களோ இல்லையோ, இப்போது இங்கே ஓங்கி தரையில் அடித்து தூசி பரத்திவிட்டீர்கள்‘‘ என்று சொன்னதும் கே.வி.கே. சாமி கோபம் அடங்கி சிரித்துவிட்டாராம்! இதை எம்.ஜி.ஆர் கூறியிருக்கிறார்.

அந்த மாநாட்டில் கூட எம்.ஜி.ஆர். உலக அளவில் முக்கிய சரித்திர நிகழ்ச்சிகளையெல்லாம் சொற்பொழிவில் குறிப்பிட்டார். பின்னர் அவரே ஒரு கட்டத்தில் சொன்னார். ‘‘எம்.ஜி.ராமச்சந்திரனுக்கு உலக சரித்திரம் பற்றி இவ்வளவு ஞானம் உண்டா? என்று யாரும் நினைக்க வேண்டாம். இதுவெல்லாம் நான் அறிஞர் அண்ணாவிடமிருந்து அறிந்துகொண்டதுதான்‘‘ என்று குறிப்பிட்டார்.

இவருக்கு திரையுலகில் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கு இரண்டு வருடங்கள் சிறிது அவகாசம் கிடைத்தது போல படங்கள் அதிகம் இல்லாத நிலையில் அதையே நல்லதொரு சந்தர்ப்பமாக பயன்படுத்தி பொது வாழ்விலும் பங்கு பெற பயிற்சி பெற்றது போல தி.மு.கழக கூட்டங்களிலும்,மாநாடுகளிலும் அதிகமாக கலந்துகொண்டு மக்கள் தொடர்பை வளர்த்தார்.

இந்நிலையில்தான் கலைஞர் கருணாநிதி திரைக்கதை, வசனத்தில் 'மலைக் கள்ளன்' திரைப்படம் வெளிவந்தது. அந்தப் படம் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் திறமையை சரியாகப் பயன்படுத்திய படமாக அமைந்ததுடன் பெரிய வெற்றிப் படமாகவும் பெருமை பெற்றது.

எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் திரையுலக வாழ்வில் அவர் கதாநாயகனாக அறிமுகமான முதல் படமாகிய ‘ராஜகுமாரி‘ படத்தில் கலைஞர் கருணாநிதியின் அருமையான கதை வசனம் எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் பெரிய வெற்றிக்கு மிகவும் உறுதுணையாக அமைந்தது. அதன் தொடர்ச்சியாக பல வெற்றிப்படங்களில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் அடுத்தடுத்து நடித்து இணையில்லாத நடிகராக தமிழ் திரையுலகில் பவனி வந்தார்.

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selvakumar

4th September 2006, 02:10 PM

Joe,
Great post ! :clap: and valuable information for people like me :)
May I know the film which changed the life of MGR after that? I mean. It need not be a blockbuster .. but a turning point !

joe

4th September 2006, 02:24 PM

Joe,
Great post ! :clap: and valuable information for people like me :)
May I know the film which changed the life of MGR after that? I mean. It need not be a blockbuster .. but a turning point !

I think it is malaikallan ,which is pened by kalainjar ,and which won best regional movie national award for first time to tamil.

tfmlover

5th September 2006, 03:21 AM

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tfmlover

5th September 2006, 03:57 AM

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joe

5th September 2006, 12:25 PM

இணையில்லாத எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.
சின்னராசு

தமிழ்த் திரை உலகில் எம்.ஜி.ராமசந்திரன் என்ற பெயரில் சிறுசிறு வேடங்களில் அறிமுகமாகி, பின்னால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். என பெயரை மாற்றியமைத்து அதன் பின்னால் புரட்சி நடிகர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். என நிலைபெற்ற காலம் வரை எம்.ஜி.ஆரின் நீண்ட வரலாறு ஒவ்வொரு தனி மனிதனுக்கும் வாழ்க்கைக்கும் எத்தனையோ வழிகாட்டுதலான நிகழ்ச்சிகள் நிரம்பப் பெற்றதாகும்.

புரட்சித் தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ஒரு சமயம் சென்னையில் ஒரு பெரிய விழாவில் கலந்து கொண்டார். அந்த விழாவில் நடிகர் திலகம் சிவாஜி கணேசன் மற்றும் தெலுங்குப் படவுலகில் நிரந்தர நாயகனான நாகேசுவரராவ் போன்றவர்களும் கலந்து கொண்டனர்.

அந்த விழாவில் எம்.ஜிஆர். பேசும்போது ‘இங்கே மேடையில் அமர்ந்திருக்கும் அருமைத்தம்பி சிவாஜிகணேசனோ, நண்பர் நாகேஸ்வராவோ பட உலகில் காலடி எடுத்து வைத்ததுமே கதாநாயக அந்தஸ்து பெற்று முக்கிய கதாபாத்திரத்தில் நடித்து புகழ் பெற்றார்கள். ஆனால் என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரை திரையுலகில் சுமார் பதினைந்து ஆண்டுகள் போராடி சிறுசிறு வேடங்களைப் பெற்று நடித்து வந்ததுடன், நான் முக்கிய கதாபாத்திரமேற்று நடிக்க அதன் பிறகுதான் வாய்ப்புகளை பெற முடிந்தது எனக் குறிப்பிட்டார்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆரைப் பொறுத்தவரை ஆரம்ப காலத்தில் அவர் பதினைந்து ஆண்டுகள் திரை உலகில் போராடி சிறு சிறு வாய்ப்புகளை பெற்று நடித்து அதன் பின்னரே கதாநாயக பாத்திரங்களை ஏற்கின்ற சந்தர்ப்பங்களை பெற ஆரம்பித்தார். ஆனால் அப்படியரு அனுபவம் அவருக்கு இருந்ததினால்தான் திரை உலகைப் பற்றியும், வெளியுலகு பற்றியும் அவர் பல்வேறு விதமான பாடங்களை அனுபவமாகப் பெற்று, அந்த அனுபவங்களின் துணை கொண்டே மிக உயர்ந்த நிலையை அடைந்து அவர் காலமாகும் வரை அவர் பெற்ற இடத்திற்கு இன்னொருவர் வரமுடியாது என வாழ்ந்து காட்டினார்.

முதன்முதலில் கிட்டத்தட்ட 1935 ஆம் ஆண்டில் ‘சதி லீலாவதி‘ திரைப்படத்தில் போலீஸ் அதிகாரியாக ஒரு வேடத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். அறிமுகமானார். அதில் இன்னொரு சிறப்பு அந்தப் படம்தான் கலைவாணர் என்.எஸ். கிருஷ்ணனுக்கும் முதல் படமாக அமைந்தது. பிற்காலம் பெரிய ஸ்டூடியோ அதிபராக விளங்கிய எஸ்.எஸ். வாசன்தான் ‘சதி லீலாவதி‘ திரைப்படத்திற்கு கதை, வசன கர்த்தாவாக இருந்தார்.

அதன் பிறகு சுமார் இருபத்தி நான்கு படங்களில் துணை நடிகராக எம்.ஜிஆர். நடித்தார் என்றாலும் அவர் தோற்றத்தில் உள்ள கவர்ச்சியும், இளமையும் சிறு வேடங்களில் வரும் அவரை ரசிகர்கள் நல்ல அடையாளத்துடன் மனதிலே பதித்து வைத்துக் கொள்கிற மாதிரி விளங்கினார்.

அந்தக் காலத்தில் ‘தமிழ் அறியும் பெருமாள்‘ என்று ஒரு திரைப்படம். அந்தப் படத்தில் ஒரு உப கதை மாதிரி நெஞ்சைத் தொடுகிற சம்பவங்களுடன் ஒரு அருமையான கதைச் சம்பவம் உண்டு.

ஒரு இளவரசி தற்செயலாய் வழியில் ஒரு அழகான இளைஞனை சந்திக்கிறாள். அவனைப் பார்த்த உடனேயே மனதைப் பறிகொடுக்கும் இளவரசி, அந்தரங்கமாக அவன் கையில் கிடைக்குமாறு ஒரு ஒலை தருகிறாள். அதில் இன்று இரவு காளி கோயில் மண்டபத்தில் உன்னை சந்திக்க விரும்புகிறேன் என்று இளவரசியால் எழுதப்பட்டிருக்கிறது.

ஆனால் துர்பாக்கியம் என்னவென்றால், அந்த அழகான இளைஞனுக்கு படிப்பு வாசனையே கிடையாது. எனவே அவன் அந்த ஓலையிலுள்ள செய்தியை அறிய ஒரு குஷ்டரோக பிச்சைக்காரன் உதவியை நாடுகிறான். அவ்வளவு பெரு வியாதியிலும் வஞ்சகத் தன்மை மாறாத அந்த குஷ்டரோகி ஓலையிலுள்ள செய்திக்கு மாறாக அந்த இளைஞன் உடனே இந்த ஊரைவிட்டுப் போகாவிட்டால் அவன் தலை துண்டிக்கப்படும் என்று ஓலையில் எழுதி இருப்பதாக அந்த குஷ்டரோகி பொய்யாகக் கூறிவிடுகிறான்.

இதைக் கேட்டு மனம் சஞ்சலமுற்ற அந்த இளைஞன் ஊரைவிட்டு போய்விடலாம் என்ற முடிவோடு நடக்கிறான். ஆனால் வஞ்கனான அந்த குஷ்டரோகி பலாத்காரம் செய்ய முயலுகிறான். அவனிடமிருந்து எப்படியோ தப்பித்து இளவரசி அவமானமுற்று தன் உயிரை மாய்த்துக் கொள்கிறாள்.

இதன் பிறகே அந்த செய்தியறிந்து இளவரசியை காண ஓடி வரும் இளைஞன் அங்கே பிணமாக கிடக்கும் இளவரசியை பார்த்து கதறியழுதவனாய் தன்னை ஏமாற்றிய குஷ்டரோகியையும் நையப் புடைக்கிறான். பின்னர் அந்த இளைஞனும் தன்னை மாய்த்துகொள்கிறான்.

இப்படியரு உருக்கமான கதையில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ‘தமிழ் அறியும் பெருமாள்‘ படத்தில் படிக்காத இளைஞனாகத் தோன்றியதால் அவர் நடித்தது துணை வேடமாக இருந்தாலும் கொஞ்ச நேரம் படத்தில் வந்தவர் அந்த படம் முடிந்த பிறகும் நினைவிலே நிற்கிற மாதிரி அருமையான வேடத்தில் நடித்து மக்கள் மனதில் இடம் பிடிக்க ஆரம்பித்தார்.

அந்த காலத்தில் மிகப் பெரிய புகழுடன் விளங்கிய ’ஏழிசை மன்னர்‘ எம்.கே. தியாகராஜ பாகவதர் நடித்த ’அசோக்குமார்‘ என்ற படத்தில் மிக மிகச் சிறு வேடத்தில்தான் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்திருந்தார். ஆனால் அந்த ஒரே காட்சியில் அவர் நடித்தது ரசிகர் மனதில் அவர் நினைவை ஆழமாய் பதிகிற அளவு அமைந்தது.

உதாரணம் கதாநாயகனான அசோக்குமாருக்கு கண்கள் பறிக்கப்பட்ட நிலையில் ஒரு சாதாரண சேவகன் போல் வரும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கண் தெரியாத ராஜகுமாரனுக்கு உறுதுணையாக இருக்க ஒரு ஈட்டியை கையில் எடுத்து அதன் முனையில் உள்ள கூர் பாகத்தை தரையிலே அடித்து நொறுக்கிவிட்டு வெறும் கைத்தடி போல் அந்தக் கம்பை பயன்படுத்த எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வழங்குவார். திக்கற்று நிற்கும் அசோக்குமாருக்கு (தியாகராஜ பாகவதர்) சரியான நேரத்தில் ஊன்றுகோலாய் கைக்கோலைத் தந்து உதவும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். செயல் ரசிகர்களை உள்ளம் சிலிர்க்கச் செய்தது.

இதேபோல் ‘அரிச்சந்திரா‘ படத்தில் முக்கிய வேடமான அரிச்சந்திரன் கதாபாத்திரத்தை அக்காலத்தில் புகழ்பெற்ற இன்னொரு நடிகரான பி.யு.சின்னப்பா ஏற்று நடித்திருந்தார். அரிச்சந்திரனின் அமைச்சராக துணை வேடத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்திருந்தார். அந்தப் படத்தில் ஆரம்பத்தில் சில காட்சிகளிலும்தான் பின்னர் படம் முடிய போகும் நேரத்திலும் தான் எம்.ஜி.ஆர் வருவார். ஆனாலும் மன்னர் மீதும் நாட்டின் மீதும் மிகுந்த பக்தி வைத்திருக்கும் ஒரு அமைச்சராக எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தோன்றி ரசிகர் உள்ளங்களில் இடம்பிடிக்கும் வாய்ப்பைப் பெற்றார்.

அந்த காலத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., ‘பிரகலாதன்‘ என்ற படத்தில் வில்லன் வேலைகளைச் செய்யும் இந்திரனாகவும் நடித்திருக்கிறார். அதுபோல ‘சாலிவாகனன்‘ படத்தில் விக்கிரமாதித்தனாக நடித்தார். அதாவது விக்கிரமாதித்தனுக்கு சாலிவாகனால்தான் முடிவு ஏற்பட்டது என்ற கதைக்கு ஏற்ற அந்த படத்திலும் விக்கிரமாதித்தன்தான் வில்லன் மாதிரி தோன்ற வேண்டியிருந்தது. அந்தப் படத்தில் கடைசி காட்சியில் படத்தின் கதாநாயகனாக சாலிவாகனன் வேடத்தில் நடித்த ரஞ்சனோடு விக்கிரமாதித்தனான எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வாள் போர் புரிகிற காட்சி உண்டு. பிற்காலம் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும் ரஞ்சனும் வாள் சண்டை புரிவதில் இணையில்லா நடிகர்கள் என புகழ் பெற்றார்கள். இருந்தாலும் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். வாள் சண்டை தமிழ் ரசிகர்களை வெகுவாக கவரவே ரஞ்சன் அதே வாள் சண்டை மூலம் இந்தி பட உலகில் போய் இடம் பிடித்துக்கொண்டார்.

எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ஆரம்ப காலங்களில் சென்னையில் ‘யானைக் கவுனி‘ (எலிபெண்ட் கேட்) என்று சொல்லப்படும் சென்னை சென்ட்ரல் ரயில்வே ஸ்டேசனுக்கு வடக்கு பகுதியில் சிறு வீட்டில் வாழ்ந்து கொண்டிருந்தார். தினமும் அதிகாலையில் எழுந்து, குளித்து காலை உணவை முடித்தபடி பாதி நடையிலும், இன்னொரு பாதி டிராம் வண்டி பயணத்திலுமாக ராயப்பேட்டை வந்து சேருவார். அங்கே ஒரு சிறிய டீக்கடையில் அவருக்கு இருந்த அறிமுகத்தைக் கொண்டு அவருடைய நல்ல உடையில் ஒரு செட் அங்கே பத்திரமாக இருந்து கொண்டிருக்கும். அந்த உடையை அங்கே மாற்றிக்கொண்டு

தெரிந்த படக் கம்பெனிகளுக்கு வாய்ப்பு கேட்டுப் போய்வருவார். ஏதாவது படப்பிடிப்பு இருந்தால் கலந்து கொள்வார். மறுபடி மாலை இருட்டும் நேரம் அந்த டீக்கடைக்கு திரும்பி வந்து காலையில் மாற்றியணிந்த நல்ல சட்டை வேட்டியை மறுபடி அங்கேயே சுழட்டி பத்திரப்படுத்திவிட்டு ஏற்கனவே அணிந்து வந்த உடையில் தனது வீடு திரும்புவார் எனக் கூறுவார்கள். இப்படி போரட்டமாக வாழ்க்கையை துவக்கிய எம்.ஜி.ஆர். பிற்காலம் அதே ராயப்பேட்டையில் பங்களாவாசியாக வாழ்ந்ததும் தான் வாழ்ந்த இடத்தையே ‘எம்.ஜி.ஆர். பிக்சர்ஸ்‘ என்று பட நிறுவனமாக மாற்றி தமிழர்கள் அறிய அந்த நிறுவனத்தைப் புகழில் உயர்த்தியதும் எல்லோரும் அறிந்த செய்தி.

புரட்சித் தலைவர் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ஆரம்ப காலங்களில் பிறர் உதவியை எதிர்பார்த்ததுண்டு. அப்படி உதவி கிடைக்கும்போது பெற்ற உதவியை மறக்காமல் உதவி செய்தவர்களுக்கு ஞாபகமாக பிற்காலம் திரும்ப உதவி இருக்கிறார்.

ஜுபிடர் பிக்சர்ஸ் தயாரித்த ‘மோகினி‘ படத்தில் இரண்டு கதாநாயகர்கள், அதில் ஒரு வேடத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடித்தார். இன்னொரு வேடத்தில் வில்லன் நடிகர் டி.எஸ்.பாலையா நல்லவனாக நடித்தார். அந்த படம் எடுக்க ஆரம்பித்த சமயத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர்.நடித்த வேடத்தில் டி.எஸ்.பாலையாவையும், டி.எஸ். பாலையா நடித்த வேடத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரையும் நடிக்க வைப்பதாக இருந்தார்கள்.

ஆனால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தானும், பாலையாவும் பாத்திரங்களை மாற்றிக்கொண்டால் பொருத்தமாக இருக்கும் என நினைத்தார். அதை டி.எஸ். பாலையாவிடம் சொல்லி அவர்தான் அதுபற்றி இயக்குனரிடம் பேசி பாத்திரங்களை மாற்றிக்கொள்ள உதவ வேண்டும் என கேட்டுக்கொண்டார். பாலையாவும் அவ்விதமே இயக்குனரிடம் பேசி தங்கள் இருவர் பாத்திரத்தையும் மாற்றிக்கொள்ள உதவினார்.

டி.எஸ்.பாலையா செய்த இந்த உதவியை எம்.ஜி.ஆர். மறக்கவே இல்லை. பிற்காலத்தில் பாலையா ஒரு படத்தில் நடிக்க வாய்ப்பில்லாமல் போகும் நிலை ஏற்பட்டதால் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். பாலையாவுக்காக தானும் அந்த படத்தில் நடிக்கவில்லை. இவ்வளவுக்கும் அந்த படத்திற்கு தேர்ந்தெடுக்கப்பட்ட கதை மிகச்சிறந்த கதையாகும். அந்த நல்ல வாய்ப்பை எம்.ஜி.ஆர். தானாகவே இழந்தார்.

இயக்குனர் திலகம் கே. எஸ். கோபாலகிருஷ்ணன், கதை, வசனம் எழுதிய ‘கற்பகம்‘ படம்தான் அது அந்தப் படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நடிக்காததால் பின்னர் ஜெமினி கணேசனை நடிக்க வைத்து கோபால கிருஷ்ணன் தயாரித்து அந்த படம் பெரிய வெற்றியை அடைந்தது.

முதலில் அந்தப் படத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆரும், டி.எஸ்.பாலையாவும் நடிப்பதாக ஏற்பாடுகள் செய்யப்பட்டன. ஆரம்பத்தில் இருந்தே கே.எஸ். கோபாலகிருஷ்ணனுக்கு அதில் டி.எஸ். பாலையா நடிக்க வேண்டிய பாத்திரத்தில் எஸ்.வி.ரங்காராவ் நடித்தால் இன்னும் நன்றாக இருக்கும் என்ற அபிப்ராயம் இருந்தது. அதை எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடமும் கோபாலகிருஷ்ணன் தெரிவித்தார். ஆனால் எம்.ஜி.ஆருக்கோ பாலையா நடிப்பதாக தீர்மானம் செய்துவிட்டு இப்போது அவரை மாற்ற நினைப்பது சரியாக தோன்றவில்லை. எனவே பாலையா அவர்கள்தான் அந்த வேடத்தில் நடிக்க வேண்டும் என உறுதியாக எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கூறினார்.

கே.எஸ். கோபாலகிருஷ்ணனை பொறுத்தவரை டி.எஸ். பாலையாவின் நடிப்பு மீது பெரிய நம்பிக்கை கொண்டவர். அதே சமயம் டி.எஸ்.பாலையா நடிக்கக்கூடிய பாத்திரங்கள் என்றும், ரங்காராவ் நடிக்கக்கூடிய பாத்திரங்கள் என்றும் சில இருக்கின்றன என்ற கருத்தை கொண்டிருந்தார். டி.எஸ்.பாலையாவின் நடிப்பின் மீது கோபாலகிருஷ்ண்ணுக்கு பெரிய நம்பிக்கை உண்டு என்பதால்தான் ‘என்னதான் முடிவு‘ போன்ற படங்களில் எல்லாம் பாலையாவுக்கு மிக முக்கியத்துவம் தந்து தயாரித்திருந்தார். ஆனால் கற்பகத்தில் வரும் பண்ணையார் பாத்திரம் ரங்காராவுக்குத்தான் சரியாக இருக்கும் என படத்தின் கதாசிரியரும், இயக்குனருமாய் இருந்த கோபாலகிருஷ்ணன் உறுதியாக நம்பினார். அதனால் தன் கருத்தை வற்புறுத்தினார். ஆனால் எம்.ஜி.ஆரை பொறுத்தவரை பாலையா அவர்களிடம் அந்த படத்தில் நடிக்க வேண்டும் என பேசிவிட்ட பிறகு அவரை மாற்ற நினைப்பது சரி எனப் படவில்லை. அதனாலேயே தானும் அந்த படத்தில் இருந்து விலகிக் கொண்டார்.

ஒரு காலத்தில் ‘மோகினி‘ படத்தில் தனது விருப்பத்திற்கு மதிப்பு தந்து பாலையா அவர்கள் தனது கதாபாத்திரத்தையே மாற்றிக்கொண்ட பெருந்தன்மைக்கு பதில் நன்றியாக பாலையா நடிக்க இருந்த படத்தில் இருந்து மாற்றப்படும் சூழ்நிலை வந்தபோது தானும் அந்த படத்தில் இருந்து விலகிக் கொள்வதன் மூலம் பாலையாவுக்கு பதில் நன்றியை எம்.ஜி.ஆர். செலுத்தினாரோ என்னவோ? ‘மோகினி‘ படத்திற்கு பின்னால் கற்பகம் தயாரிக்கப்பட்ட காலம் சுமார் இருபது வருட இடைவெளியாக இருக்கலாம். இருப்பினும் அதை நினைவில் வைத்து எம்.ஜி.ஆர். செயல்பட்டதாகவே தோன்றுகிறது.

இதேபோல் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். ஆரம்ப காலத்தில் நல்ல எண்ணத்தின் காரணமாய் சிலருக்கு உதவி செய்ய முன்வந்திருக்கிறார். ஆனால் அவர்களோ எம்.ஜி.ஆர். நல்லெண்ணம் புரியாமல் அவர் மீதே சந்தேகப்பட்டிருக்கிறார்கள். அதன் காரணமாக அவர்களே ஏமாறக்கூடிய சூழ்நிலை வந்த பிறகுதான் எம்.ஜி.ஆரை புரிந்துகொண்டு அதன்பின் கடைசி காலம் வரை எம்.ஜி.ஆரிடம் மரியாதையோடு பழகி வந்திருக்கிறார்கள்.

ஆரம்பகாலத்தில் எம்.ஜி.ஆர். கோவையில் ஜுபிடர் பிக்சர்ஸில் பணியாற்றி வந்த நேரம் நாடக உலகில் இருந்து புதிதாக திரைப்படங்களில் நடிப்பதற்காக ஜுபிடர் பிக்சர்ஸ் அழைப்பின் பெயரில் எம்.என். நம்பியாரும், எஸ்.வி. சுப்பையாவும் அங்கே வந்திருந்தார்கள்.

அவர்களில் நம்பியாருக்கு ஜுபிடர் பிக்சர்ஸ் அதிபர் குறிப்பிட்ட நல்ல சம்பளத்தை மாதந்தோறும் தருவதற்கு தயாராக இருக்கிறார் &

Nakeeran

7th September 2006, 07:36 PM

[tscii:da0e2ecfea]Amongst MGR’s thathuva padalgal's list , this one stands tall IMO.

Kan pona pokile kal pogalama
Kal pona pokile manam pogalama
Manam pona pokile manidhan pogalama
Manidhan pona padayai marandhu pogalama :D

A photo showing Mahatma Gandhi walking will be flashed !

MGR in a lovely blazer singing towards his first wife Sowcar Janaki while Manohar plays the villain role ! Both looking handsome with blazers ! Both possessed broad shoulders & hence the attire was perfect !

This song is part of my evergreen MSV hits for the unique drum beats & chorus

The song was given in a well structured package . Sharp interludes

Vallale nee vazga engal idayakani :D

Nee oru maazu kurayadha mannavan :twisted:

Here is the link :

http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=201332

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tfmlover

28th September 2006, 09:47 PM

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2003/01/20/stories/2003012000810200.htm

:clap:

m_23_bayarea

28th September 2006, 09:50 PM

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2003/01/20/stories/2003012000810200.htm

:clap:

NICE one tfmlover !!! Thanks !!! :thumbsup:

tfmlover

28th September 2006, 09:50 PM

read it bay area ita a good one i just found it mnts ago

m_23_bayarea

28th September 2006, 09:52 PM

read it bay area ita a good one i just found it mnts ago

SURE Man !! Will do .. :D

Nakeeran

30th September 2006, 02:08 PM

Wish to cover some Puratchi thalaivar songs from now here :D

Movie : Anandha Jothi
Singers : TMS - P.S.

Any song of Puratchi thalaivar is a precious jewel for me .

What a way PS starts the song - very gentle & mild tone . Superb !

What a poetic lyrics by Kavignar !

Poyile pirandhu poyile valarndha pulavar perumane
Ummai purindhu kondal unmai therindhu kondal indha poovayar kulamane !!

and MGR : Poovile pirandhu poovile valarndha poovayar kula mane

The incomparable MSV - TKR always excells on tunes !

A youthful MGR and Devika Mam. a treat to watch

Wonderful song !

http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=153582&PHPSESSID=ac12ae37ef9f72dd8909d8f468e25a1f

there is another terrific song - Paniyilladha margaziya !

raaja_rasigan

30th September 2006, 02:44 PM

For me MGR is equally good in doing anti hero roles like

kudiyirundha koil
neerum nerupum
needhikku thalai vanangu (i hope the title is correct, where he does the role of a smuggler ranjith)

I think, he should be a role model for rajini's anti hero roles

tfmlover

1st October 2006, 05:50 AM

Thirumaran

1st October 2006, 05:55 AM

I am wondering too.

I could not see S.Balaji for a long time in Shivaji and MGR section :(

Does he visits any other section :?:

Does anyone has any ideas?

Thirumaran

1st October 2006, 05:57 AM

there is another terrific song - Paniyilladha margaziya !

Pani illaatha maarazhiyaa,
Padai illaatha mannavanaa..
Inipillaatha mukkaniyaa..
Isai illaatha muthamizaa

:P :P

That is also a wonderful song :)

joe

2nd October 2006, 06:41 AM

Ananda Joythi is the movie Kalaignani kamalhassan acted with Makkal Thilagam as a child artist.

P_R

2nd October 2006, 07:51 AM

Ananda Joythi is the movie Kalaignani kamalhassan acted with Makkal Thilagam as a child artist. And terrific performance too. I like it as well as, if not better than kaLathur Kannamma.It serves a reminder to filmmakers who opearate under the impression that a child artists should talk like adhigaprasangis or shake the heads sideways sweetly (!) during group songs.

There is a sequence in Ananda Jothi where Devika and Kamal are chatting. She puts down Kamal's teacher MGR (drill master Anandan) without knowing that he is also her favourite poet who writes under the name Maniarasan.

devika: unga drill master oru idiot
Kamal: unga Maniyarasan marttum periya ivarrO ?
devika: maniyarasan oru genius

later Kamal discusses this with MGR

MGR:(very calmly) unga akkaavukku ennayum theriyAdhu..maniayarasarayum theriyaadhu. theriyaadhavangaLaip patthi karuthu solravanga dhAn distilled idiot
Kamal: distilled idiot na enna master ?
MGR: unga akka kittayE kEttukkO

later...

devika: paathiya balu unga master enna vadikattina muttAl-nu solrAr. namma kitta sambaLam vaangara ALukku enna dhairiyam ?
kamal: sambaLam kuduthA ? enna vENa pEsaLAma ? pEcchu utta pEcchu vaangikka vEndithAn:clap:
His modulation and acting is terific. I am yet to see a child artist with such good voice modulation.

There are a couple of other scenes with MGR which are equally impressive.

In one scene MGR pays the school fees for one of the kids. Even after all the kids leave Kamal stays back in the room with a look of genuine admiration in his face.

MGR will say: "enga appA evvaLavO sotthu sErthAr..adhellAm eppidiyO pOyiduchu...enkittE irukkaradhellAm enga amma katthukkodutha nErmaiyum ozhukkamum dhAn. enakku vEndiyadhellAm nee nallA padichu eppOdhum nErmayAnavanA nadakkaNum"

It is quite an ordinary (and even typical MGR) line. But the way in which MGR picks up Kamal in his arms and says it, it would be so convincing like a genuinely concerened teacher talking to his ward. :thumbsup:

madhu

2nd October 2006, 07:58 AM

Can anyone clarify whether MGR acted in M.S.Subbulakshmi *ng "Meera" as the messenger from Delhi ?

tfmlover

2nd October 2006, 08:10 AM

yes ! many movies he did tiny tiny parts even fight scenes

iru sagotharargal
maya macheendra
pragalaatha
seetha
jananam
asokumar ' with bhgavathar ..mahendran role
thamilariyum perumazh
thaasipenn
arichandra (old version)
meera
saalivaaganan
srimurugan
sulotchanaa
paaithyakaaran
abhimanyu
1000 thalai vaangi aborva sinthaamani
bOjan
aathithan kanavu
ponmudi
mohini
rajamukthi
rathnakumar
kathanaayagan

Thirumaran

2nd October 2006, 08:50 AM

PR,
:clap:

tfmlover,
ithanai padathayum neenga paarthirukeengala :shock:

tfmlover

2nd October 2006, 08:53 AM

PR,
:clap:

tfmlover,
ithanai padathayum neenga paarthirukeengala :shock:

ilepaa not even my grandpaa

more cameo..

veerajagadeesh he did maha vishnu
sathi leelaavathi - inpctr role
saaya ( better bigger role than before but movie never released)

Thirumaran

2nd October 2006, 08:54 AM

ilepaa not even my grandpaa

sarepaa :P

tfmlover

2nd October 2006, 08:55 AM

PR,
:clap:

tfmlover,
ithanai padathayum neenga paarthirukeengala :shock:

enaku no :clap: ?

that kamal movie i mentioned befr in kamal's thread praising his acting
hope nilavupriyan remembers

Thirumaran

2nd October 2006, 08:56 AM

theriyala :roll:

thirumbavum copy paste pannunga. :clap: pannraen :evil:

tfmlover

4th October 2006, 08:28 PM

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2003/11/17/stories/2003111700890100.htm

m_23_bayarea

5th October 2006, 06:44 PM

OK folks, based on popular demand, as the creator of this thread, it's time for me to revive this thread !!!

As a first step, I would like each of you beautiful ppl to stop by this thread, and list your favorites in each of these categories ...

* Favorite Movie of MGR ...

* Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR ...

* Favorite Duet Song of MGR ...

* Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen?

* What made you like MGR on screen?

* What made you like MGR off screen?

* If MGR could have done any better in his career in life, both on and off screen...

To begin with, my answers for the above would be ..

* Movie - Enga Veetu Pillai

* Thathuva Paadal - Moondreluthil En moochirukkum

* Duet Song - Andru Vanthathum ithae nilaa

* On-screen pair - Saroja Devi

* On screen, I liked his macho image and action ... I think he was the first one to introduce the concept of one-man heroism in Tamil cinema ... Before his kinda movies, it was all historical movies, and there was no guarentee that the hero will always win ... By bringin in this kinda image, he made each and every massy fan identify himself on screen, and feel satisfied, with whatver the common man cannot do in real life, his idol MGR would do on screen, especially against injustice ... And I am NO exception to that common man !!

* Off Screen, I was told by elders, that for the most part, he practised what he preached .. Of course, he's a human being too, and has got the dark and shady side of character, which was like a black mark in his political career especially ... But definitely, I have heard that he was the MUDI SOODA MANNAN in Tamil Nadu, be it Cinema or Politics !!

Jump in, and Share your thoughts in this thread guys !!! You don't have to be his fan to write about all these things abt such a BIG star !!!

:bluejump: :redjump: :clap:

Nakeeran

5th October 2006, 07:00 PM

Bay Area

Great ! You have brought new lease of life and air of freshness to Pon manachemmal thread.

Keep it up .

Soon, I will give my share of MGR's best ever. :thumbsup:

selvakumar

5th October 2006, 07:07 PM

* Favorite Movie of MGR ...

Bay, I will answer your list one by one !
Favorite MGR movie - Innumberable IMO ! :)

I love all the movies in which he acted as a KING ! My all time favorite and still my no.1 Puratchi Thalaivar movie is ! - "KAANCHITHALAIVAN"
"Madhurai Veeran" will come next (sorry if someone hates this line :lol: ) ! In this movie, in one particular scene you can see his face glittering like a sun when he utters the famous dialogue to the "Vaathabi ThoothuvaN"

His expressions in that scene will be :thumbsup: In that single lenghty dialogue, he will bring in "self-analysis", "inability to whip away the wounds caused during Magendra Pallavar's period" etc !

The song !

"oRu kodiyil iRu maLargaL maLaRnthathamma maLarnthathamma" :cry: is one of the very few songs which has neat lyrics that reflect brother-sister relationship !

Towards the end, when everyone joins hands with him to destroy PULIKESI, you will feel as if you are into it with the sudden changes and feel as if you have won !

Ofcourse, as a general MASALA and HEROISM lover everyone will love to see VAATHIYAAR IN
"ENGA VEETU PILLAI" :D

Nakeeran

5th October 2006, 07:23 PM

Bay

There are plenty of MGR movies worth watching .

To start with :

1. Anbe vaa - There was no fight in this movie ( even the climax was a thamash fight only ) and Makkal thilagam was full of enthu. , joking and teasing Saroja Devi at ease !
2. 1000l oruvan
MGR at his handsome best ! awesome looks.

3. Padagotti
Vow. no words to describe

4. Enga veettu pillai

This movie catapulted MGR to super star status

5. Pasam
Well , MGR proved that he can also play emotional characters.

6. nan en pirandhen
I love this movie simply for the reason that the storyline was altogether different. MGR playing a middle aged man role and sans fighting was something impossible during his peak period

7. ULAGAM SUTRUM VALIBAN

Well, about this movie Mr. Manisegaran's article speaks volumes about Puratchi thalaivar's immense capabilities as a Director, Camera work, songs etc

Will continue

kannannn

5th October 2006, 07:26 PM

* Favorite Movie of MGR ...
Considering that MGR movies are basically entertainers, I would go with 'Enga Veetu Pillai'. That's the only MGR movie I own on video.

* Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR ...
This is a toughie, since every movie of his has one and they are all good. I guess 'Nenjam Undu Nermai Undu' is my top favourite.

* Favorite Duet Song of MGR ...
This too is tough to answer. 'Thanga padhakathin mele' is one of the songs I listen to often. Another one I like, but not a duet, is 'Aval oru navarasa nadagam' from Ulagam Sutrum Valiban.

* Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen?
Of course Saroja Devi.

I think I'll let the other ones pass :)

tfmlover

5th October 2006, 07:49 PM

his movies songs won the most votes in my heart

'Mother is the name for God in the lips and hearts of children'

Song from : Thaayin madiyil

Ethanai selvangal vanthaalumE
ethanai inbangal thanthaalumE
athanayum orru thaai aagumaa
amma ammaa amma ! enakathu nee aagumaa

thaayin madiyil thalai vaithirunthaal thuyaram therivadhillai
thaayin madiyil thalai vaithirunthaal thuyaram therivadhillai
thuyaram therivadhillai
thaayin vadivil deivathai kandaal
vEroru deivam illai
vEroru deivam illai
thaayin madiyil thalai vaithirunthaal thuyaram therivadhillai

paththu maadham porumai valarthE bhoomiyai minchiduvaazh
bhoomiyai minchiduvaazh
vellai manathai thottil aaki pillayai konjiduvaazh
pillaiyai konjiduvaazh
pillaiyai konjiduvaazh
thaayin madiyil thalai vaithirunthaal thuyaram therivadhillai

anbil malarum arputham ellaam annayin vilaiyaattu
alaiyum manathai amaithiyil vaipathu annaiyin thaalaattu
ennai paartha annai mugathai ezhai paarthathillai
ennai paartha annai mugathai ezhai paarthathillai
kannE kannE kannE endru
konjiya vaarthai kaadhil kEttathilaii
kaadhil kEttathillaii

Vaali TMS Subbaiah Naidu S M :clap:

NOV

5th October 2006, 07:51 PM

* Favorite Movie of MGR ... padagOtti

* Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR ... tharai mEl pirakka vaiththaan

* Favorite Duet Song of MGR ... too many - examples: ponnezhil pooththadhu pudhu vaanil; paattukku paatteduththu; kunguma pottin mangalam; aanandham indru aarambam

* Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen? sarOja dEvi, jayalalitha

* What made you like MGR on screen? light, entertaining stories

tfmlover

5th October 2006, 08:30 PM

tfmlover

5th October 2006, 08:53 PM

Song from : Nallavan vaazhvaan

Aandavan orruvan irukindraan !
avan anbu manangalil sirikindraan
Aandavan orruvan irukindraan !
anbu manangalil sirikindraan

Venduthal vEndaamai atra mei sudaraai
Venduthal vEndaamai atra mei sudaraai
vizhakida mudiyaatha thathuva porulaai
vizhakida mudiyaatha thathuva porulaai
Aandavan orruvan irukindraan
avan anbu manangalil sirikindraan

nallavar pOl vezhi vEshangal anninthu nadipavar naduvil irrupadhillai
naanyathOdu nallaram kaathu nadapavar thammai maranpadhillai
Aandavan orruvan irukindraan !
avan anbu manangalil sirikindraan

thanmaanam kaapathile !
annai thanthaiyai panivathile !
pirantha ponn naatin nalla munnEtram kaana pothu pani puripavar magizhchyilE
Aandavan orruvan irukindraan !
avan anbu manangalil sirikindraan

saththiyathin ellaiyilE
uyar samarasa nerigalilE
anbin sakthiyilE dhEsa bhakthiyilE !
unnmai samathuvam kaatum sanmaarkathilE
Aandavan orruvan irukindraan !
avan anbu manangalil sirikindraan

Athmanathan ! Seerkazhi Govindararajan , Papa T R :clap:

ramky

5th October 2006, 11:24 PM

* Favorite Movie of MGR ... plenty

* Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR ... plenty

* Favorite Duet Song of MGR ... plenty..
few
ponn ezhil poothathu puthu vaanil- kalankarai vilakkam
akkam pakkam paarkaathE-neethiku pin paasam
moodithirantha imai irandum - thaayai kaatha thanayan
etho etho etho oru mayakam -kudumbath thalaivan
thottu vida thottu vida - dharmam thalai kaakum
oh! vennilaa vanna poo chooda vaa vennilaa - rani samyuktha
kaniya kaniya mazhalai pesum kanmani - mannaathi mannan
ennamaa sowkyama eppidi irukuthu manassu- koduthu vaithaval

* Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen? 1.Sarojadevi 2.Sarojadevi 3. Sarojadevi
* What made you like MGR on screen? know-how sapience

* What made you like MGR off screen? Charity benevolence and perseverance
* If MGR could have done any better in his career in life, both on and off screen...
too late to remark ! but

nee paartha paarvaigal kannavOdu pOgum
nee sonna vaarthaigal kaatrOdu pOgum
oor paartha unnmaigal unnakaaga vaazhum
unaraamal pOvOrku uthavaamal pOgum

same in his carrer life both on and off screen..
all those irreverent disrespectful envious remarks the jealousy tribute mediocrity pays to any genius , gone . will be gone !

but his immeasurable victory , benefaction , his contributions , his concern for human welfare..manifests.

tfmlover : very well analysed and written ! :clap: :thumbsup:

my favorite movies of MGR -

1. Ulagam Suttrum Vaaliban (saw it twice in 1 mnth when it was released )
2. Anbe Vaa
3. Enga Veettu Pillai
4. Ninaithathai Mudippavan (remade in Hindi with Rajesh Khanna doing the dbl role)
5. naaLai namathE ( remake of the famous Hindi movie "Yaadon Ki Baaraat" )

my fav songs of MGR are so many; to recall some of them -

1. Naan aaNaiyittaal
2. Muthu charam mullai kodi yaarO
3. Ulagam Ulagam Ulagam
4. athO antha paravai pOla vaazha vEndum
5. Ninaithathai mudippavan naan
6 Anbe vaa
7. avaL oru navarasa naadagam
8. naaLai namathE

tfmlover

5th October 2006, 11:31 PM

glad you liked

athO antha paravai pOla vaazha vEndum ! :thumbsup:

tfmlover

5th October 2006, 11:38 PM

a very nice love duet
naan kaanum ullagangal nee kaana vEndum
nee kaanum porul yaavum naanaaga vEndum'

vaali wrote for mgr in 'thaayin madiyil
'ennai paarthu ethai paarthaalum ethuvum naanaagum
unnai paarthu ethai paarthaalum ethuvum thEnaagum

rather wishing waiting or yearning to become one
i prefer the mgr version . its instant .
both good . but i love that instantaneous feeling :thumbsup:

salute !

ramky

5th October 2006, 11:40 PM

tfmlover : ya its superb !

i forgot to add one more favorite !

aadaludan paadalai kEttu rasippathilEthaan sugam sugam !

the way MGR dances & emotes in it - :clap:

rajeshkrv

6th October 2006, 01:31 AM

Favorite Movie of MGR ...
Anbe Vaa, Enga Veetu pillai

* Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR ...
Kan pona pokkile, tharai mel pirakka,buthan yesu gandhi

* Favorite Duet Song of MGR ...
Thottal poo malarum, pon ezhil poothathu

* Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen?
Sarojadevi.. she was a perfect match ..
* What made you like MGR on screen?

* What made you like MGR off screen?
his kindness and for the people

Ok let's discuss about each film in his career

Starting let me start with the Great NAdodi mannan(1958) which was the first directorial venture of M.G.R
He introduced Sarojadevi as a fulltime heroine in this movie

Movie is about 2 look alike one good and one bad.. The good MGR takes the place of the king and does people reforms

thoongadhe thambi thoongathe is a famous song by TMS

listen to the song here
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=185544

Recently the re-released this movie in chennai and it ran with packed houses for 3 weeks

that's the charisma of M.G.R

http://chennailiving.blogspot.com/2006/08/slice-of-chennai-3-old-is-gold.html

tfmlover

6th October 2006, 02:34 AM

rajeshkrv :thumbsup:

m_23_bayarea

6th October 2006, 05:52 AM

Wow guys !! Thanks for all the valuable feedback and reviving this thread ... Thanks for all the hubbers that sent me all those pm-s as well ... You guys are DRIVING this thread ... Let's Keep the flow goin !!

:thumbsup: :clap:

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 06:06 AM

Great posts bay, nakeeran, tfmlover, rajeshkrv :D

Let us make this thread active. :)

As of now my favourites MGR movies..

There are many :)

Just Mentioning 3 as of now.

1. Nadodi Mannan : Not only as actor but also as Director MGR shined in each and every frame of the movie. The movie which kept MGR right away in the top. :thumbsup:

2. Aayirathil Oruvan : What a movie it is. :P MGR, Jayalaitha, Nambiar all done great job. The sword fights between MGR and Nambiar were treat to watch :2thumbsup: Not to forget MGR saving Jaya when the tree falls :P

3. Enga Veetu pillai : A complete entertainer. The performance of MGR in Coward role is very worth mentioning. The reactions he shows whenever Nambiar commands MGR .. WOW.. That is MGR as a actor to you :wink:

umaramesh

6th October 2006, 11:51 AM

Favorite Movie of MGR ...

1.anbe vaa
2.enga veetu pillai
3.USV
4.1000thil oruvan.
5.kudiyertha kovil

Favorite Thathuvam Song of MGR

1.Naan ungal vettu pillai
2.Buddhan yesu gandhi
3. Enn enra kelvi
5.Tharimel perrakavaithan
6.kodthathellam koduthann

Favorite Duet Song of MGR ...

sorry. very difficult to tell. anyway we can list out couple of them:

1.Engirunthoo aasigal
2.Mellapoo mellapoo
3.thanga pathakathin meelle
4. Nallathu kanne kanavu kannithathu nanri unakku
5. Rajavin paarvai
6.Vizhiyee vizhiyee
7.Ninaithen vanthai nooru vayathu
8.Thulluvathoo illami
9.In USV all duet songs
10. Naan parthethilayee
11. Kanne kaniyee
12.Naam oruvarai oruvar
13.Azkagiya thamiz magal ival

list goes on.

Who you think made MGR's best pair on screen?

Jeyalalitha

What made you like MGR on screen?

well THALIVAR KNOWS what people expects from him and did that with his own style.

regards
ramesh

umaramesh

6th October 2006, 11:53 AM

sorry. forgot to mention one more duet:

UNNATHU VIZHIYIL ENATHU PARVAI. what a song.

regards
ramesh

Jilaba

6th October 2006, 05:48 PM

nilavupriyan

6th October 2006, 05:49 PM

favourite scene from his movie!

"enga veetu pillai"....scene where he starts hitting M.G.R with saatai!

Jilaba

6th October 2006, 06:24 PM

Movie: Naa Yen Pirandhen
Song : "Unathu Vizhiyil Enathu Paarvai"
Lyric : Kavinger Vaali
Music : Shankar - Ganesh
Singers: TMS & P.Suseela
Cast: MGR & K.R.Vijaya

"Naan Yen Pirandhen" one of the best movies by MGR, which is beeing liked by all type of audience for various reasons.

1.Actually it is entirely different from all MGR movies.
2.In the starting itself MGR was shown as a married man and having children.
3. Not even a single dialogue about politics.
4. No normal MGR manarism in songs, lifting hands in the air etc (except the first song)
5. Rare combination of MGR & K.R.Vijaya (only 5 or 6 like Vivasayi, Nalla Neram, Thozhilaali etc)
6. Different type of music compossed by Shankar Ganesh.

That movie has fentastic songs, each one is differ from the other in all aspects.

1) Naan yen pirandhen...naattukku nalamenna purindhen (thathuva paadal)
2) Thambikku oru paattu (it has two versions)
3) Naan paadum paadal nalamaaga vendum (one of the best TMS number)
4) Unathu vizhiyil enathu paarvai (only duet song)
5) Siththira cholaigale (by Bharathidasan, I already mentioned in Kalangarai vilakkam post)
6) Thalai vaazhai ilai pottu virundhu vaiththen... (S.Janaki & Jikki)
(one more song is there as the imagination of Kanchana, dancing with MGR).

I choosed "UNATHU VIZHIYIL ENATHU PAARVAI" because whenever I hear this song (not only me, but everyone) feel something special, due to its mild tunes. Normally SG's tunes in all other movies will be too fast, but here all different.

"Kai therndha sirpiyin kaiyil kidaikkum kal (stone), arputhamaana silai vadivam peruvathu pola, Shankar Ganesh, therndha sirpiyaana MGR kaiyil kidaikka, avar ivargalidamirundhu, kaalamellaam peyar sollum tune galai veli kondu vandhaar. Avaigalil ondru thaan indha paadal".

It was shooted in Brindhavan Garden with MGR and KRV, without MGR formula manarisms, when they are singing the song, Thengai Srinivasan, one of the villains searching for MGR, but they will sing hiding behind the bushes to escape from his sight.

Andha tune patri ennavo sollanum pola irukku, aanaa adhukku sariyaana vaarththai enakku kidaikkalai. Avvalavu arputhamaan melody. Avanga 'Gurunaathar' MSV paaniyil pottiruppaanga. 'Shankar Ganesh potta tunaa idhu'? endru andrum indrum ellorum viyakkiraargal.

Paadiyavargalai patri sollanumaa?. 1000 kanakkil paadi asathiya jodi, idhaiyum romba anaayaasamaaga paadiyiruppargal. Adhilum indha TMS irukkaare... adeyappa. Charanathil mudhal adiyai paadumbothu, mudhalil conitnue aagavum, meendum adhaiye paadumpodhu idaiyil konjam niruthiyum attagaasam pannuvaar. (Meendum andha paadalai ketkumbothu unnipaaga gavaniyungal)

"uyir konda oviyam ondrooo thunai ondru serndhadhendru"
again
"uyir konda oviyam ondru (stop) thunai ondru serndhadhendru"

same like this, in next charanam
"enakkendru vaazhavathu konjammm unakkendru vaazhum nenjam"
again
"enakkendru vaazhvathu konjam (stop) unakkendru vaazhun nenjam"

Suseela amma mattum enna kurainjavangalaa...

"kan imaiyaathu pen ival nindraal, kaaranam kooruvatho
Un(n)ai kaanbathenna sugamo...Un(n)ai kaanbathenna sugamo"

same like this, in end of next charanam

"Ponmanam konda mannavan anbil en uyir vaazhgirathu
adhu endrum vaazhum uravu...adhu endrum vaazhum uravu"

This is the duet song not by the lovers, but between the beloved husband and wife, who already have children...which is a rare situation in MGR movies.

For several reasons, and its catchable melody and for its well picturisation....it is one of my everloving songs.

anbudan....sarooo.
Wow.... Saradha madam...

Very good analysis about Naan Yen Pirandhen songs.

I know well you are a hardcore shivaji fan. But you analised a M.G.R. movie very nicely.

Not even a M.G.R. fan can write like this.

raaja_rasigan

6th October 2006, 06:31 PM

favourite scene from his movie!

"enga veetu pillai"....scene where he starts hitting M.G.R with saatai!

nilavu sir....... i think u want to say it as NAMBIAR

Nakeeran

6th October 2006, 07:45 PM

SOTD : ENGIRUNDHO AASAIGAL ENNATHILE OSAIGAL

Movie : Chandrodayam

Singers : TMS - P.S.

Melody is the soul for music .

What I was cursing myself as SODHANAI now all are being looked at SADHANAI .

You know who said this ? None other than Mellisai Mannar about his days when he was associated with MGR for a song composing.

Well, for a song, MGR normally asked for atleast 5 tunes and he only finally decides the ultimate one.

DID ANY OF SUCH EVER FAIL ? It was 100% strike rate of MGR - MSV .

This song should be ranked as EVERLASTING MELODY OF PURATCHI THALAIVAR

Thanks Mr. Ramesh for pointing out this outstanding melody

http://www.coolgoose.com/music/song.php?id=153590

Happy week end to you all

imsai

6th October 2006, 07:47 PM

Nakeeran, if you are well aware of MGR's box office success, please make some posts of it. MGR was the best superstar ever.

Nakeeran

6th October 2006, 07:48 PM

Well Bay Area ,

Hats off ! Messages are pouring for our dear Puratchi thalaivar !

But all your points are too tough to answer by except the heroene - My vote will be for JJ only !

Regarding movie, songs, etc , please give me a day atleast.

I wish to come out with the best of the lot :D

Nakeeran

6th October 2006, 07:50 PM

Nakeeran, if you are well aware of MGR's box office success, please make some posts of it. MGR was the best superstar ever.

Ims Maaps :D

I wish to concentrate on MGR's songs section. I will fall flat on any MGR song . :D

And I have to write about MGR's best movies. Pl give me this opportunity :D

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 07:51 PM

Instead of giving a big list of songs, it will be better if you describe the performances of MGR in that songs.

If the song is a good one means, all credit goes to Lyric Writers, Music Directors and Singers.

Ok, MGR selected good tunes, but it is not his own creation. He just picks one from various tunes made by somebody.

It is not just like thing. You need to have good taste and know the taste of people. And when looking into selecting songs, it is not only selecting one tune from few. It is also about mentioning abt improvement areas in a specific tune, pointing abt lyrics which can be written in a better way. Getting the best out of somebody u need to have a great leadership skills. And MGR was great in that.

Not only off screen MGR's screen presense in Songs and movies are well known.

whether

Naan aanayittaal kind of thathuva songs
Andru vanthathum athae nila kind of peppy numbers with simle and interesting steps
Thottal Poo malarum kind of duet songs..

MGR was a treat to watch.. :thumbsup:

I know u are eager to point out MGR's negatives. FYI.. It had been already several times discussed in the past. You can go throu several other pages before. We are not here to say MGR is best in each and everything. We know his plus points as well as minus points :)

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 07:52 PM

imsai

6th October 2006, 07:53 PM

One of my all time favourite song:

aadaludan paaadalai kaetpathil thaan sugam sugam. I've watched this song on video thousands of time. Eventhough gold is old, gold is still gold. :thumbsup:

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 07:55 PM

And I have to write about MGR's best movies. Pl give me this opportunity :D

Given :P Go Nakeeran with ur wonderful posts. I will also try to make posts regularly. :)

Nakeeran

6th October 2006, 08:11 PM

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Instead of giving a big list of songs, it will be better if you describe the performances of MGR in that songs.

If the song is a good one means, all credit goes to Lyric Writers, Music Directors and Singers.

Ok, MGR selected good tunes, but it is not his own creation. He just picks one from various tunes made by somebody.

It is not just like thing. You need to have good taste and know the taste of people. And when looking into selecting songs, it is not only selecting one tune from few. It is also about mentioning abt improvement areas in a specific tune, pointing abt lyrics which can be written in a better way. Getting the best out of somebody u need to have a great leadership skills. And MGR was great in that.

Not only off screen MGR's screen presense in Songs and movies are well known.

whether

Naan aanayittaal kind of thathuva songs
Andru vanthathum athae nila kind of peppy numbers with simle and interesting steps
Thottal Poo malarum kind of duet songs..

MGR was a treat to watch.. :thumbsup:

I know u are eager to point out MGR's negatives. FYI.. It had been already several times discussed in the past. You can go throu several other pages before. We are not here to say MGR is best in each and everything. We know his plus points as well as minus points :)

Thirumaran

Pavam Mr. Jilaba Sir. Avarukke theriyama oru post copy paste seidhu vittu ( Saradha Madam post on Nan en pirandhen ) tamas panraaru

Probably like me , Mr. Jilaba Sir may not have been born during MGR’s period or ANOTHER CASE OF MUZU POOSANIKAI SOTRIL MARAIKKUM CASE

Well, there was a movie by name NAN EN PIRANDHEN which was composed by lesser popular composers SHANKAR GANESH.

4 songs :

1. Nan en pirandhen
2. Naan padum padal
3. Unadhu viziyil enadhu parvai
4. Chitira cholaigale

After this movie, everyone started wondering about SHankar Ganesh combination.

Not only this movie, IDAYA VEENAI was another wonderful album for Shankar Ganesh combo.

Before this NEP and after this NEP, SG had given many hit songs BUT THE ABOVE 4 ARE STILL BEING ADMIRED .

Well we all know who was the KARTA FOR THE SUCCESS OF THOSE SONGS

But those who PRETEND to be ignorant of MGR’s capabilities in music will continue to remain NINCOMPOOPS.

The great Ramamurthy ( of Visvanathan Ramamurthy combo ) recollected one incident about MGR ‘s knowledge on Carnatic music. It was during a marriage function when MGR and TKR sat together while a carnatic musician was singing .
TKR was amazed by MGR’s INDEPTH knowledge on carnatic music and he was bamboozled to see MGR identifying ragas with ease !

I have just posted about Engirundho Aasaigal song. The senior Meastro MSV recollects fondly with words – NAAN SODHANAI ENDRU NINATHATHU INDRU SADHANAIYAGA ELLARUM PESUGIRARGAL.
He was recollecting his golden association with MGR .

Well, THANGA PADHAKATHIN MELE was so peppy and stunning that it inspired none other than ARR !

Mr. Manisegaran had written a wonderful write up about MGR and his songs and how he chose .

For beginners like Mr. Jilaba Sir may kindly r refer to Mr. Manisegaran’s posts about MGR so that he may get enlightened.

ASKING A QUERY LIKE WHETHER MGR KNOWS MUSIC is like asking WHETHER SHIVAJI KNOWS ACTING .

MGR WAS A PROVEN KING ON HIS IMMENSE KNOWLEDGE ON MUSIC

And this was appreciated by VETERANS . :D

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selvakumar

6th October 2006, 09:11 PM

Nakeeran, if you are well aware of MGR's box office success, please make some posts of it. MGR was the best superstar ever.

:yes: :exactly: His popularity in TN cant be achieved by anyone either in Film or Political front. :thumbsup:

It is not just popularity ! Many people in villages are still having the impression that he is still and he is treating them well ! :thumbsup: :clap:

"avaRa nadigar, arasiyaLvaathi nnu sollurathu avara oRu kurukiya vattathukkuLLa adaikira maathiri :) "

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 09:19 PM

It is not just popularity ! Many people in villages are still having the impression that he is still and he is treating them well ! :thumbsup: :clap:

"avaRa nadigar, arasiyaLvaathi nnu sollurathu avara oRu kurukiya vattathukkuLLa adaikira maathiri :) "

u r right. Our people kept a permanent place for MGR. He is not just an actor or politician. :)

joe

6th October 2006, 09:28 PM

"ASKING A QUERY LIKE WHETHER MGR KNOWS MUSIC is like asking WHETHER SHIVAJI KNOWS ACTING . "

Mr.Thirumaran,
Do you agree with this?

imsai

6th October 2006, 09:30 PM

Take that as a compliment to Shivaji :lol:

NT fans are here to spoil the fun :wave:

raaja_rasigan

6th October 2006, 09:31 PM

Nakeeran, if you are well aware of MGR's box office success, please make some posts of it. MGR was the best superstar ever.

:yes: :exactly: His popularity in TN cant be achieved by anyone either in Film or Political front. :thumbsup:

idha naan rajini fans discussion (in yahoo groups)'la kooda sonnaen........ avanga yaarum othukkala.....

they say rajini is better than MGR' atleast in films .... what others say.

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 09:34 PM

"ASKING A QUERY LIKE WHETHER MGR KNOWS MUSIC is like asking WHETHER SHIVAJI KNOWS ACTING . "

Mr.Thirumaran,
Do you agree with this?

No doubt for me that NT is a great actor. :)

P_R

6th October 2006, 09:34 PM

But all your points are too tough to answer by except the heroene - My vote will be for JJ only !
My vote is Saroja Devi, here is why.

75% of the movies with JJ was taming of the shrew kind of roles. Particularly in MGR films she seemed to be performing a limited role which I found very repetitive.Her signature expression was the angry deep breathing which she seemed to be doing every time. The only exception I can think of is Kannan En Kadhalan (where MGR's performance is terrific and it is tough to notice JJ even in though her character is highly noticeable). I felt JJ's talents were better used in Sivaji films like 'EngirundhO vandhAL' and Sumathi en sundari. Perhaps I am missing some good JJ performances in MGR films.

OTOH I like Saroja Devi a lot more. MGR-Saroja Devi made a great onscreen pair. She was extremely enjoyable in romantic roles, melodrama and of even comedy. I can never be tired of the AnbE Vaa scene where MGR pretends to be ill : neenga paadaadheenga enakku bayamma irukku :lol:

Of course I put JJ second well above people like Latha, V.A. Nirmala who were , to use a generous expression, pretty ordinary.

joe

6th October 2006, 09:38 PM

"ASKING A QUERY LIKE WHETHER MGR KNOWS MUSIC is like asking WHETHER SHIVAJI KNOWS ACTING . "

Mr.Thirumaran,
Do you agree with this?

No doubt for me that NT is a great actor. :)

Oho..MGR's talent in Music = Sivaji's talent in Acting.

Thanks for your reply .Now I understand

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 09:41 PM

idha naan rajini fans discussion (in yahoo groups)'la kooda sonnaen........ avanga yaarum othukkala.....

they say rajini is better than MGR' atleast in films .... what others say.

Let us not involve other comparision :oops: We had already had similiar comparisions in the past in the same thread.

When we take only tamil speaking persons, the popularity of MGR cannot be matched by anyone.

If you consider Overall Indian and NRI's then Rajini will be definetly more popular than MGR. If we consider Overall then in my opinion Kamal will be more popular than any other South Indians.

If any disagreement please leave this here. Just my opinion. :)

selvakumar

6th October 2006, 09:42 PM

Nerd

6th October 2006, 09:44 PM

raaja_rasigan,

The very question you have raised have been discussed in depth a few months back and we guys had agreed to disagree, lets leave it at that and if you are looking for some entertainment, unearth that thread and enjoy !!

Sorry for the digression folks :)

Thirumaran

6th October 2006, 09:45 PM

Oho..MGR's talent in Music = Sivaji's talent in Acting.

Thanks for your reply .Now I understand
I did not say that :roll:

By the way right now i am not interested in any arguments and comparisions. :wink:

m_23_bayarea

6th October 2006, 09:50 PM

Guys, I NEED to make a humble request here !!

Let's just focus on MGR and anything associated with HIS movies only !!

Let's NOT bring in any OTHER actor into this thread, and start a comparison all over again ... The last few days have been kind of rough between Sivaji/MGR fans (as funny as it sounds at this day and age), very very unfortunate !!

And now if we bring in Rajini, the thread will go HAYWIRE !!

So no matter how great Sivaji or Rajini or anybody can be, let it all be OUTSIDE THIS THREAD !!!

Thanks for the understanding ...

Nakeeran, Thirumaran, tfmlover, Imsai, Selva, etc - Keep continuing with your awesome posts on MGR folks !!

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