Thiruppugazh

[S Rajan]

Is any body intersted in Thiruppugazg of Arunagirinathar? Can we start some discussion on that?

Sundararajan

[j.chenkalvarayan]

http://www.kaumaram.com/thiru/

the above url contains thirupugazh verses along with explanation. also it has a good collection of mp3 devotional songs in praise of lord murugan.

[RR]

Is any body intersted in Thiruppugazg of Arunagirinathar? Can we start some discussion on that?

Sundararajan
Yes, let's start.

[S Rajan]

http://www.kaumaram.com/thiru/

the above url contains thirupugazh verses along with explanation. also it has a good collection of mp3 devotional songs in praise of lord murugan.

Yes I am aware of it and using it regularly. But it does not contain any discussion. what I am proposing is a literary discussion on it. For example in one of the thiruppugazh songs he uses the word " Sabash" which in my word is not a tamil word. In another place he address Murugan as " raavuththene" which needs some expalanation

Sundararajan

[RR]

BTW, we are discussing "kandhar anuboodhi" in another thread:

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4699

[Idiappam]

what I am proposing is a literary discussion on it. For example in one of the thiruppugazh songs he uses the word " Sabash" which in my word is not a tamil word. In another place he address Murugan as " raavuththene" which needs some expalanation

Would you please name these songs where these words occured. We can roll things out, then.

Arunagirinathar lived during the 13th century, when the literary language of the land was heavily contaminated by Sanskrit.

Some sound totally Sanskrit and some of his songs have almost no Sankrist words - like 'allivizhiyaalum'. Hear that song, Chinmaya Sisters.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/1/s/artist.42/

[viggop]

The prescence of Sanskrit words do not diminish thirupugazh in anyway.It is a highly devotional work towards Lord Murugan.Lord himself has accepted it and there is no need for us to make comments on what language words have been used by Arunagirinathar.

I thought Arunagirnathar lived in the 15th century.I really love the songs of tirupugazh sung by carnatic musicians.Neyveli Santhanagopalan sings the tirupugazh every year at Vadapalani temple on a festival day devoted to Lord Murugan.

[RR]

Idiappam,
This topic was discussed in Agathiyar recently. Here's the verses quoted by Pas

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[S.Balaji]

Nice to see this thread about Thirupugaz...

Wish to mention that Shri Raghavan Guruji from Delhi has done yeoman service to spread Thirupugaz through Vazipaatu mandram... and the tree has grown extensively across our country. Shri Raghavan has composed tunes in carnatic ragas for the various thirupugaz songs and its being taught through various Students in India.
Before Raghavan Guruji, it was Sri Vallimalai Swamigal who was instrumental in unearthing the Thirupugaz treasure

I wish we get more and more exchange of interesting and useful information about Thirupugaz through this thread...

[viggop]

Murugadas Sir's Skanda Sashti Kavacam thread has loads of information on tirupugazh

[S Rajan]

Nice to see this thread about Thirupugaz...

Wish to mention that Shri Raghavan Guruji from Delhi has done yeoman service to spread Thirupugaz through Vazipaatu mandram... and the tree has grown extensively across our country. Shri Raghavan has composed tunes in carnatic ragas for the various thirupugaz songs and its being taught through various Students in India.
Before Raghavan Guruji, it was Sri Vallimalai Swamigal who was instrumental in unearthing the Thirupugaz treasure

I wish we get more and more exchange of interesting and useful information about Thirupugaz through this thread...

Guruji Raghavan,s movement is called "Thiruppugazh anbargal" and we perform Thiruppugazh Isai vazipadu on all important days in all major towns like Chennai, Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore, Trivandrum, coimbatore, Trichy, Mumbai, Indore etc. Thiruppugazh is ladded with Sansrit words and not contaminated. If it contains contaminated words as per same then then thery are viewing with stained glass. Sri Chekalvara Pillay and his fatehr Sri Subramania Pillai had done yeoment service to the Tamil world by cleecting all the palm leaves and published the book in print form. Vallimai Swamigal was given adesh by Sri sheshadri swamigal [tscii:3c24ce0b34]"¾¢ÕôÒ¸§Æ ¯ÉìÌ Á†¡ Áó¾¢Ãõ" «¨¾§Â ¯À§¾ºÁ¡¸ ¦¸¡ñÎ ¾¢ÕôÒ¸ú ÀÃÅ ¸¡Ã½Á¡¸ þÕó¾¡÷.[/tscii:3c24ce0b34] In Sri Ragahavan's school the emphasis is on "chandas" for which thiruppugazh is famous. In fact Arunagiri is called as [tscii:3c24ce0b34]" ºó¾ô ÒÄÅ÷" [/tscii:3c24ce0b34] While the stage artisists sing thiruppugazh in melody form without emphasis on chandas it does not well.

Since I started the thread I will some post intesting points of thiruupugaz in the coming days.

[viggop]

Dear Rajan
Please do post and teach us what you know about Tirupugazh.As I said before, the Lord has accepted tirupugazh and hence there is no need for us to pass comments on Arunagirinathar's choice of language etc. The Lord obviously does not care and is moved by devotion alone.Keep posting interesting things about tirupugazh

[S.Balaji]

Arunagirinathar hailed from Thiruvannamalai. Even though he had all the bad habits in his earlier stages, destiny was such that Lord Murugan must have decided to bring the best out of him. For all his bad habits , he reached a stage when he no longer could continue ( only his sister was supporting him to some extent but ultimately she also gave up ) and when he tried to commit suicide by getting into the top tier of the famous Temple Arunachaleswarar alias Annamalaiyaar , Lord Muruga took him on his laps and stopped him from the suicide attempt and blessed him with divine knowledge.
Arunagirinathar wondered on what to do further and Lord Murugan told him to write devotional songs. While AN could not find a start ..the Lord himself guided him by asking him to start with the words...MUTHAI.... Thats how AN started his famous Thirupugaz by composing ...Muthai tharupathai thirunagai athi......

AN had written countless numbers of Thirupugaz and each one of them are valuable treasures loaded with wonderful meaning... and I wish someone , probably Mr. Rajan to come out with each and every song with a detailed explanation so that all of us will be benefitted...

AN , later his life, visited all the temples where Lord Muruga was the deity and sang devotional songs / Thirupugaz citing the temple and the town

Now, every year, thousands throng to Thiruvannamalai temple to attend Arunagirinathar Vizaa and sing all his songs....

AN, through one of his songs, Adhala sedanaarada... akilameru meedhaada.... .brought Lord Vishnu, Goddess Lakshmi, Goddess Parvathi in one shot ...in the Temple ! Such was the strength of his song....

[viggop]

He has also composed "Skandar Anuboothi" (divine experience of Lord Skanda).It is also very devotional piece.

[RR]

He has also composed "Skandar Anuboothi" (divine experience of Lord Skanda).It is also very devotional piece.
Viggop,
As I mentioned above, we are discussing it in another thread (detailed analysis of each pA - in Poems forum). Pls go there for more on this.

[viggop]

Dear RR
Can you give me the link? I'm unable to find it.Thanks

[RR]

Dear RR
Can you give me the link? I'm unable to find it.Thanks
Here: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=4699

[S Rajan]

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[viggop]

Dear rajan
Please write a lot.eagerly reading posts.

[j.chenkalvarayan]

yeah me too sir. please continue to write in this thread.

[rajraj]

Rajan: Good series! Let me make a suggestion to you. Please use commonly known words. Not many know prithvi is earth(maN/nilam) or appu is water (neer). This will make it enjoyable for the common man. As you know thiruvaanaikaaval is better known than jambukeswaram.

[S Rajan]

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Arunagirinathar's work mentioned at start of Hanuman series
http://www.harimozhi.com/Article.asp?id=42

[S Rajan]

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[Hari Krishnan]

Singing is one way of rendering Thirupugazh. For those who are not endowed with a good singing voice like me, it is a lot more beneficial to recite it with the proper 'sandham' or rhythm. With this in view, I started a series and recorded the 'mayil viruththam'. All the eleven verses of mayil viruththam are available in voice as well as text forms here:

http://www.harimozhi.com/ListArticle.asp?lngArticleId=41

One can hear the verses and read from the text along, which would enable an easier familiarisation.

[Uthappam]

I tried, Mr. Hari.. There seem to a streaming problem..

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