On "Sashti"

[solomon]

Friends,

Tholkappiyam has Murugar worship as Seyon.

Thirumurugatrupadai- a Sangam Lit. tells us the Aarupadai Veedugal of Murugar. This Classic also has quiet a lot of Vedic details including naming Samaveda.

kANDAR Sasti- the word Sashti- is the word for SIX in Sanskrit- Sashti- became -SEXTA and SIX- Also Hexa of Hexagon.

Solomon

[Idiappam]

solomon said:
Tholkappiyam has Murugar worship as Seyon.
Wrong! Seyon is Siva!


Thirumurugatrupadai- a Sangam Lit. tells us the Aarupadai Veedugal of Murugar. This Classic also has quiet a lot of Vedic details including naming Samaveda.

Samaveda?? Where??


kANDAR Sasti- the word Sashti- is the word for SIX in Sanskrit- Sashti- became -SEXTA and SIX- Also Hexa of Hexagon.

All the better. That just points the non indian origin of Sanskrit, perhaps!!! And in line with our 'Indian good, Non-indian no-good' slogan, we should trash Sanskrit! ha!

[solomon]

Friends,

Almost all English NUMERAL starts from

Two- Tuvithiyai-
Three- Thirithiyai- Tri
Four- Chathurthi-Charur becomes Quathu or fourm also Quadra
Five- Panchami- Panch,P goes Tamil Anju comes and Pancha becomes Penta and five
Six- SAShti- Sexta -six -Hexa
Seven-Saptahmi- september, sapta become seven
Eight- Ashtami- OCtober, OCTa, gave to Eight
Nine-Novami from it.November
Ten-Dasami- December- Dasam- Ten.

Friends, entire world uses Sanskrit names for all Numerals, becauses of the OLDEst LANguage was Sanskrit. Greek and Latin are considered as Daughters of Sanskrit. Tamil are Dravidians are also Outsiders as per Caldwell to Burrows.

Please stop this Non-sense mr.Idiyappam

MosesMOHAmmedSolomon

[aravindhan]

Friends, entire world uses Sanskrit names for all Numerals, becauses of the OLDEst LANguage was Sanskrit. Greek and Latin are considered as Daughters of Sanskrit. Tamil are Dravidians are also Outsiders as per Caldwell to Burrows.

Actually, the "entire world" uses very different systems of numbers. In non-IE languages like Arabic, for example, the numbers from one to ten are Wahid, Ithinin, Thalatha, Arba'a, Kamisa, Sita, Saba'a, Thamania, Tisa'a, and Ashara. In Cantonese, they are Yat, Yee, Saam, Sei, Ngh, Luk, Chat, Baat, Kau, and Sap. How do you relate those to the Sanskrit numbers?

Even if we limit the "entire world" to Indo-European speakers, the numbers they use derive from Proto-Indo European, not Sanskrit. Here are the numbers from one to ten in Proto Indo European. I've simplified the transcription so it'll be legible to everyone:

one: hoinos or sems
two: duwos
three: treies
four: kwetwores
five: penkwe
six: sweks
seven: septm
eight: haekto
nine: hnewn
ten: dekm

These look quite different from the Sanskrit numbers, because they are, of course, not Sanskrit. If the Sanskrit numbers were, indeed, the roots from which the numbers of all other IE languages are derived, there would have to have been easily detectable patterns of sound changes through which they evolved from Sanskrit, which would, of course, have to fit with established rules regarding language change. This becomes even more problematic when one considers that all IE languages would have to exhibit these patterns - not just Latin, Greek and English, but also the Celtic languages (Irish, Welsh, Breton), Albanian, Lithuanian, Armenian, and so on - and that these patterns of sound changes would need to cover a vast range of terms, not just numbers. The fact that no such patterns exist means that Sanskrit was not the root of all IE languages but was, instead, like other IE languages, a descendent of that root.

[Anchaneya]

Friends,
Most part of Europe was Below Ice, during early Vedic Period, and not one language other than Greek and Latin has any old Lit, dated to Pre Common Era.

Greek and Latin are considered earlier as Daughters of Sanskrit and later revised as Younger Sisters of Sanskrit.

Hence, with artificial arguements against Sanskrit and calling as an European Import, only makes go by what Christian Missionaries said, Indians are not capable of that good a Language, it must be European.

Friends, Let us be proud of Tamil and Sanskrit and both are ancient.

Sanskrit is been used by all world Languages.

ANCHANEYA

[aravindhan]

Most part of Europe was Below Ice, during early Vedic Period, and not one language other than Greek and Latin has any old Lit, dated to Pre Common Era.
Heh? The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago. Are you dating the vedic period to 8000 BC??

And I presume that by "not one language" you mean "not one living European language" - there are plenty of other ancient works, for example, in Semitic languages, in Ancient Egyptian, Avestan, Tamil, and so on.


Hence, with artificial arguements against Sanskrit and calling as an European Import, only makes go by what Christian Missionaries said, Indians are not capable of that good a Language, it must be European.
I don't think any serious scholar has ever alleged that Sanskrit originated in Europe.


Sanskrit is been used by all world Languages.
Some evidence of this would be very nice. How has it been used by Berber or Basque, for example?

[Idiappam]

What is Sanskrit for 'one'?? Why is it so different from Greek and Latin - that Anchaneya claims as daughters of Sanskrit??

What happened to that numeral one- the first and most important??

Someone forgot something?

[mahadevan]

Solomon Wrote :
Two- Tuvithiyai-
Three- Thirithiyai- Tri
Four- Chathurthi-Charur becomes Quathu or fourm also Quadra
Five- Panchami- Panch,P goes Tamil Anju comes and Pancha becomes Penta and five
Six- SAShti- Sexta -six -Hexa
Seven-Saptahmi- september, sapta become seven
Eight- Ashtami- OCtober, OCTa, gave to Eight
Nine-Novami from it.November
Ten-Dasami- December- Dasam- Ten

This only states what is already known to everybody, that is sanskrit, Latin/greek belong to the same language group.

to get an idea of which language got the words from which language, we need to find out which language was flourishing at the earliest. The earliest scientific evidence for sanskrit is 150AD, latin and greek dates much before that. So it is more likely that sanskrit derived these numbers from latin/greek rather than the other way around.

food for thought : in most languages the name for 9 is different from that for other single digits numbers, Nova in IE (which indicates newness) onpathu (one before ten) in tamil etc. Looks like every body went from octal to decimal systems.

[mahadevan]

Sasthi is a specific period in the lunar calendar based on which the tamil panchagam is designed, it usually falls a few days after Amavasai of the month. Lord Murugan is supposed to have destroyed the demon during this period in the tamil month of karthigai, the occurance of Sashti during the month of Karthigai is considered of great importance and celebrated as Skanda Sashti.
It has got nothing to do with the number 6, nice try solomon, but sorry it is totally baseless.

[solomon]

English Numerals and Sanskrit

Friends,

I wanted to bring ThiruMurugatruPadai- of Sangam Lit. in to Skanda Sashti Discussion; but became separate thread.
Mahadevan- with complete ignorance of Orthodox practice; foolishly says Sanskrit burrowed from Greek or Latin; like saying Daughter claiming to have took care of Labour pain for her Mother during Pregnancey and child bith.

We call dates as one, two etc.,

Pancangams call it on Moon shape basis-Lunar.

Both New Moon day- Amavasai and Full Moon Day- Pournami are considered.
First day after Amavasai and Pournami is Prathamai
2nd day is Thuvithiyai
3rd day is Thrithiyai
4th day is Chathurthi
5th day is Panchami
6th day is Sashti
7th day is Sapthami
8th day is Ashtami
9th day is Novami
10th day is Dasami
11th is Ekadasi ( Ekam + Dasam)
12th day is Thuvadasi (Thuvi + Dasam)
13th day is Thriyodasi
14th day is Chaturdasi; then comes New/fullmoon day

Chathurthi is known for Pillayar
Sashthi for God Muruga, as he killed Ashura Sura on that day
Ashtami we call for Krishna- Gokulashtami
Novami- God Ramar – SriRamaNovami
Dasami-Vijaya Dasami

Friends, Please do not put articles without any proper Knowledge, make these threads interesting with good ideas.

MosesSolomon

[Idiappam]

Solomon would you please answer, if you can??

What is Sanskrit for 'one'?? Why is it so different from Greek and Latin - that Anchaneya claims as daughters of Sanskrit??

What happened to that numeral one- the first and most important??

[mahadevan]

Mahadevan- with complete ignorance of Orthodox practice; foolishly says Sanskrit burrowed from Greek or Latin; like saying Daughter claiming to have took care of Labour pain for her Mother during Pregnancey and child bith.

Solomon you are talking with the assumptions that sanskrit existed before latin/greek, I repeat again "The earliest scientific evidence for sanskrit is 150AD" can you provide any evidence that is before that. Please do not belabor the same thing again and again. Provide evidence please.

[Anchaneya]

Friends,

Literature dating is done based on various factors and not just on Stone Inscriptions, and Earliest of Indian Stone Inscriptions of Asoka though in Prakrit(this is only for Linguists- for common man it can be called in Sanskrit)- contains many Sanskrit words, Cuniform Writings found in EGYPT has Sanskrit Gods names of Vedas.

The Earliest Manuscripts of Sanskrit& Pkakrit are from 150CE, for Tamil they are from 1500CE.

Many many more such exists, please understand as to why Institutions as Howard or Oxford dates this and not Mahadevans

Anchaneya

[Idiappam]

Thank you, Ancheneya for those lies.

[aravindhan]

Earliest of Indian Stone Inscriptions of Asoka though in Prakrit(this is only for Linguists- for common man it can be called in Sanskrit)- contains many Sanskrit words
How on earth can anyone who has even the faintest inkling of either say that Ashokan Prakrit is Sanskrit? One might as well call Gujarati a dialect of Bhojpuri. And Prakrit does not "contain Sanskrit words" anymore than Sanskrit contains Marathi words.


Cuniform Writings found in EGYPT has Sanskrit Gods names of Vedas.
Which writings? If you are referring to the treaties associated with the Mittani, then the names are not Sanskrit or even Vedic - they are in a related Indo-European language. And the people themselves lived in Syria, not Egypt.


The Earliest Manuscripts of Sanskrit& Pkakrit are from 150CE, for Tamil they are from 1500CE.
I am getting a little tired of seeing this trotted out. May I ask what conclusion you seek to draw from this?

In any event, the reason for the difference in dates is simply that Sanskrit manuscripts were written on Talipot leaves, which have a rather long life. Tamil manuscripts, in contrast, were written on Palmyra leaves, which will last three or four hundred years at the best - and that too, if exceedingly well maintained and oiled regularly.

The reason Tamil manuscripts were written on palmyra leaves despite their shorter life was that they were so easily available in TN. Their shorter life was not a problem while the three kingdoms existed, because the kings saw funding the copying and recopying of old manuscripts as part of their responsibility. It only became a problem after the extinction of the second Pandiya dynasty. Fortunately, the Nayaks of some centuries later funded a major recopying of the old Tamil manuscripts that survived up to their day, which is why a majority of our olais today date to that period.