Beginning of the End of Aussie dominance in Cricket?

[jaiganes]

Are the Aussies fading away?
Is Ricky Ponting better than Steve Waugh?
Do the Aussies have poorer bench strength?
Have they become 4 men team (ponting,warne, mcgrath and lee)?
Are England the new super power of International cricket?

[Sanguine Sridhar]

1. Not yet not now,Still they have an excellent team...Players like clark is still giving hope to the aussies
2.Steve was a legend..He made his team wonderfully well..but hey under Ponting's captainship Aussies improved further..In Steve's carrier big loss was the series lose in India (Laxman's 278) Eden and Chennai.But that didn happen under Ponting's captaincy...
3. Hmm yes ofcourse it seems to be..I Culdn imagine a team without these players Ponting,Gilchrist,McGrath
But these players are still there - Gillespie,Lee,Clark,Hayden..
4.Ofcourse i would add Gillespie to that list..but he was totally dominated in the last test
5.Good comedy chanceless...They are playing in the Home..they had very very crucial vitory in the second test..that gave them moral boost thats it.If they emerged as the superpower they would have won the first test itself...

But frankly speaking Aussies if they didn take care of their younger generation just how Mark Taylor,Steve Waugh did then they are in trouble...That is this is the hight time look at the team.

[jaiganes]

English conditions are something the aussies revelled in for the past 14 years.
The statement "Form is temporary,but class is permanent" is aptly proven by Matty Hayden, who looks uglier and uglier with every passing game. No longer can he plant his foot half way down the crease and tonk the ball to boundary irrespective of its line and length. Same seems to be the case with Gilchrist, Damien martyn, Justin Langer and Simon Katich. I saw their game and was appalled at the lack of technique in handling swinging deliveries, something Aussie experts attribute to players from subcontinent.
True that England have not dominated from GO. However, looking at the disdain with which English players blasted McGrath and Gillespie, to me looks certain that the end of these players in Australian team is at hand.

[Cinefan]

Well,if the last two tests is anything to go by then Yes,England has been the superior team.They have treated the Aussie bowlers with disdain esp in the first innings at Egdbaston&both innings at Old Trafford.Added to that their bowlers have had the Aussie batsman firmly in their control.

Despite this Australia came within two runs of winning the second test&came away with a draw yesterday(the rain afflicted third day also playing it's part).

So England have been the better team but still not able to overcome the famed Aussie resilienceof course with Glenn&Shane in the sunset of their careers,they have a gr8 chance to replace Australia as the No 1 team in the world,but do they have the consistency???

Only time will tell.

For comparison,just look at India-an amazing 2003-04 season followed by a disastrous 2004-05&now we have had a horrible start to this season.

[Raghu]

SL is the second Favs after Aussies in ODI, look at the ICC ranking, soon We will take over the Kangaroos, Bangladesh beating the kangaroos was the biggest upset in their history and in Cricket history, followed by Kenya beating SL in the last world cup!

England have improved hell of a lot, but their records on foreign soil is poor, still their ODI ranking is bad.

SL have loads of Young talents like Lasith Malinga and K.Sangakara, easily one of the best w.keeper in the world!

[Thiru]

Australia's strength in the recent past have been their bowling which can dismiss an opposition two times in a match and get 20 wickets.. Their batting has always been streaky depending on their top order and the nature of the wicket... Look at the first test for instance.. They bowled out England for less than 200 in both their innings.. whereas in the second test without Mcgrath they couldnt restrict England who made a very good total 407 in the first innings.. The third test was a similar story.. Having said that, Aussies make the quickest transition and learn from their mistakes.. You can see them stepping up their bowling in the 4th test.. This series is far from being over...

Raghu,
Sangakkara, the Best wicket keeper :lol: :lol: :lol: .. Are you kidding me??

[Raghu]

Raghu,
Sangakkara, the Best wicket keeper :lol: :lol: :lol: .. Are you kidding me??

Thiru Ji :D

Obviously better than the current Indian wicket keeper :rotfl:, and pls read what i wrote :rotfl: , I said Kumar Sangakara is ONE of the best in the world!

BTW,

How can you let multiple (3) Cricket threads floating around in Misc Section, being biased :roll: :D

[Thiru]

I stand by my statement.. Sangakarra has a long way to go before being considered among the best wicketkeepers in the world... I agree that he is better than the indian wicket keeper who by the way keeps changing every series... but the guy hasnt proven anything outside srilanka and the subcontinent.. Scoring 100s and 200s in the flat tracks of the subcontinent is the standard for any subcontinent cricketer.. Let him score his double centuries away from subcontinent and not against teams like zimbabwe and bangladesh... Then we have an argument..

Three threads on cricket but different issues altogether..

[Cinefan]

Three threads on cricket but different issues altogether..

Anyway,my thread about Indian cricket has no takers,looks like everyone has taken my comment about stopping the hype about our team seriously&are desisting from posting their comments :D

[Sanguine Sridhar]

I stand by my statement.. Sangakarra has a long way to go before being considered among the best wicketkeepers in the world... I agree that he is better than the indian wicket keeper who by the way keeps changing every series... but the guy hasnt proven anything outside srilanka and the subcontinent.. Scoring 100s and 200s in the flat tracks of the subcontinent is the standard for any subcontinent cricketer.. Let him score his double centuries away from subcontinent and not against teams like zimbabwe and bangladesh... Then we have an argument..

Three threads on cricket but different issues altogether..

Sangakara has been selected for ICC World eleven against Australia......

[Thiru]

I stand by my statement.. Sangakarra has a long way to go before being considered among the best wicketkeepers in the world... I agree that he is better than the indian wicket keeper who by the way keeps changing every series... but the guy hasnt proven anything outside srilanka and the subcontinent.. Scoring 100s and 200s in the flat tracks of the subcontinent is the standard for any subcontinent cricketer.. Let him score his double centuries away from subcontinent and not against teams like zimbabwe and bangladesh... Then we have an argument..

Three threads on cricket but different issues altogether..

Sangakara has been selected for ICC World eleven against Australia......

and Inzamam has been omitted.. :)..

[S.Balaji]

Thiru,

I think Sangakara played well against Aussies in the recent home series.
He also played well when they toured down under last.

Besides, he is a decent keeper as well.

Definitely an emerging star in Srilanka... after Mahela Jayawardene.

[S.Balaji]

[tscii:16ee6484a6]Thiru,

Also, if we count the best of the keepers in today’s cricket…

Gilchrist
Sangakara
Kamran Akmal

The above 2 are specialist batsmen. Infront, Sangakara can even open the innings.

Considering the current poor form of Adam, I think Sangakara leads the show now….

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[S.Balaji]

THiru,

You have mentioned that Inzy is omitted from the world 11.

Pl remember that the past performance was also a factor considered when the team was finalised.
I dont think Inzy had done well in Australia...
He does not have a good average / record against Aussie in Australia.
I think he must have toured atleast thrice .. ..but dont remember any great scoring....

[S.Balaji]

[tscii:36f131e1fa]This thread is a nice topic .

It seems, the following players need to be looked at :

1. Mcgrath – eventhough had done extremely well…. Age is catching up
2. Gilesspe – Failed in this series …. Also getting aged
3. Shane Warne – May be the last Ashes series for him

I don’t see any strong lethal backup for the above 3 great guys

Batting :

Adam Gilchrist…. Always used to come when the bowlers are tired and exhausted… plunder runs mercilessly and take an unbeatable position…… to ensure aussie does not bat twice and also scored in double quick time…. He is also getting aged….. Lost his touch this series

Langer… doing well but getting aged… may be for another 2 years

Hayden…… Great guy… but some back up is required

The middle order is weak now….. Martyn / Katich …. Not firing … doing well in patches…

Clarke…. If they are going to consider him as a specialist batsman…. It will be risky

It all seems the beginning of the end of the great formidable Aussie has started

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[S.Balaji]

[tscii:091e185ff3]The absorbing recent Ashes series had totally taken away whatever minimum interest we had on the Indian tour….of Zimbabwe…
Hats off to the English team… Irrespective of the outcome of the final test …one should commend the fighting spirit shown by Waughan’s men…From having lost the first test, they have bounced back tremendously… thanks to guys like Flintoff…, Jones, keeper Jones, Giles, Trescothick… Waughan also….
Look… this is what is called as team effort….

From a decent team under Nasser Hussain… the guys have built a formidable team .. potential to become number 1 ….

Not to rest on select guys ….

Now Flintoff has been doing to Aussies what Gilchrist was doing to the rest of the world earlier… Come late order and brutally destroy the bowling….

Probably Aussies are taken aback by the collective effort of England team... They were targetting Waughan mainly...( that used to be their approach always... target the opponent's captain and rest will follow suit )
but missed out on other developing and motivated guys....

Hope Greg Chappell builds a team which wins matches out of collective effort… not out of individual brilliance..
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[dr#]

england are probably the best team in the world at the moment, but will need to work on a few areas if thay are going to be successful on the subcontinent....such as learning how to play spin!!!

much as i was delighted by englands performances......warne had all the batsmen bar pietersen (and later flintoff) under his spell. they will need to work harder before they arrive to face harbhajan, kumble, and kaneria on turning tracks.

that aside....i think the rest of the world will have a lot to do to keep up with england over the next few years.

[Scale]

This thread seams to be hilarious :lol: now after that marana adi to World XI.

[Justice]

scale, :lol:

[Justice]

Sanga was easily the best bat for World XI 8-)

The guy is a class

[Sanguine Sridhar]

[tscii:abdce90b89]Australia Since Steve Waugh…

2004 Beat Srilanka at Srilanka – 3-0

2004 Beat Srilanka at Australia – 1-0

2004/5 Beat India at India – 2-1

2004/5 Beat Newzealand at Australia 2-0

2004/5 Beat Pakistan at Australia 3-0

2004/5 Beat Newzealand at Newzealand 2-0

2005 Lost to England – 1-2

2005/6 Beat ICC World xi at Australia – 1-0

2005/6 Beat West Indies at Australia – 3-0

2006 Beat South Africa at Australia – 2-0

2006 Beat South Africa at South Africa – 2-0


Source : The Hindu (05/04/06)

Won : 22

Lost : 2

Series Won : 10

Series lost : 01

Series total washout for the opponent : 09

Now this is what you call “Consistent” right from 1999 Australians are the champions of world cricket. :clap:
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[selvakumar]

I agree with Sridhar. It is pretty good to win the world cup. But sustaining the title WORLD CHAMPIONS and proving them time and again is excellant :D

If Aussies can correct themselves as far as On-Field Attitude is concerned, No wonder they can earn the same name which YesterYear Clive - WI received in the past.

[Arthi]

How could anyone forget the great match between Australia & South Africa...
A world record match in which SA Won ...

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Test Cricket is all about testing your Skills,Patience,Concentration.Just by one game that too in one-day match South Africans cant take the honours.Anyways that was an excellent fight back by the South Africans.But Arthy i am talking here about Test Cricket

[sgokulprathap]

Australia's dominance is nearing its end.

See even B'desh have scored 427 against Australia in the ongoing match. U might hav remembered that sometimes ago Ponting said teams like B'desh should be banned from test cricket. Now they r struggling against the same team.

After allowing B'desh to take 427 runs in 1st innings, Australia is one down for 10 runs.

[sgokulprathap]

[tscii:1fc7b7a8b0]Australia Since Steve Waugh…

2004 Beat Srilanka at Srilanka – 3-0

2004 Beat Srilanka at Australia – 1-0

2004/5 Beat India at India – 2-1

2004/5 Beat Newzealand at Australia 2-0

2004/5 Beat Pakistan at Australia 3-0

2004/5 Beat Newzealand at Newzealand 2-0

2005 Lost to England – 1-2

2005/6 Beat ICC World xi at Australia – 1-0

2005/6 Beat West Indies at Australia – 3-0

2006 Beat South Africa at Australia – 2-0

2006 Beat South Africa at South Africa – 2-0


Source : The Hindu (05/04/06)

Won : 22

Lost : 2

Series Won : 10

Series lost : 01

Series total washout for the opponent : 09

Now this is what you call “Consistent” right from 1999 Australians are the champions of world cricket. :clap:
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Had India not produced such a worst pitch in Mumbai in 2004, all the 10 series that Aussies won could hav been a white wash. :D

[sgokulprathap]

Aus vs. B'desh. 1st test match.
1st innings:
B'desh-427. :thumbsup:
Aus-124/6. :(
Wata champion's performance?

[bingleguy]

:clap:

Aussies ... u ve to land someday man ! u cant be on the air always !

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Lets wait for another 2 days.. Australians most probably would bounce back in the second innings

[sgokulprathap]

Yeah, Australia may win this match. But how can a so called dominant team( :? ) allow B'desh to take 427 runs in an innings.

If Aus is really a dominant team they should b beating Ban atleast by an innings, which is clearly not possible in this match.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Vivek]

Yeah, Australia may win this match. But how can a so called dominant team( :? ) allow B'desh to take 427 runs in an innings.

If Aus is really a dominant team they should b beating Ban atleast by an innings, which is clearly not possible in this match.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dint you see how they whitewashed south africa in their own turf ?

[Thiru]

Yeah, Australia may win this match. But how can a so called dominant team( :? ) allow B'desh to take 427 runs in an innings.

If Aus is really a dominant team they should b beating Ban atleast by an innings, which is clearly not possible in this match.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

every dog has its day... Bangladesh has improved a lot in recent times and Australia could have been too complacement after winning against SA 3-0... At the same time credit to bangladesh for playing decently in the recent past.. When SL came into the international scene about 20-25 years ago, they are thrashed by all teams.. Slowly they developed a team which could play well at home with Duleep mendis, roy dias etc.. They started off losing a lot of test matches then settled for a draw in a few of them.. they won only 2 out of 29 matches they played between 81-90.. One of them against India at home & one against Pak at home.. The late 90's saw SL win a lot of games (particularly after their World cup win) thanks to Ranatunga, Jayasuriya, Murali, vaas and attapattu..
Bangladesh is slowly and similarly emerging with players like habibul bashir and haque who can take their cricket to the next level..

[Vivek]

Now where are the people talked ill about australia ?

[sgokulprathap]

Yeah, Australia may win this match. But how can a so called dominant team( :? ) allow B'desh to take 427 runs in an innings.

If Aus is really a dominant team they should b beating Ban atleast by an innings, which is clearly not possible in this match.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dint you see how they whitewashed south africa in their own turf ?

A team beating SA (that too whitewashing) has struggled against Bangladesh in 1st test. After failing in both Batting & Bowling in 1st innings, they somehow managed to beat Ban by just 3 wkts. Had Gilchrist got out early in 1st innings, the result could b otherway round.
But ofcourse they r doin well in 2nd test.

[Vivek]

Yeah, Australia may win this match. But how can a so called dominant team( :? ) allow B'desh to take 427 runs in an innings.

If Aus is really a dominant team they should b beating Ban atleast by an innings, which is clearly not possible in this match.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dint you see how they whitewashed south africa in their own turf ?

A team beating SA (that too whitewashing) has struggled against Bangladesh in 1st test. After failing in both Batting & Bowling in 1st innings, they somehow managed to beat Ban by just 3 wkts. Had Gilchrist got out early in 1st innings, the result could b otherway round.
But ofcourse they r doin well in 2nd test.

Gokul, the essence of a good team is how it fights back to victory rather than how it failed miserably in the beginning. this situation gives lot more confidence to the team rather than a blind domination from the word GO.

[Thunderbird]

Autralia will be dominating cricket for another decade. They've no problem in producing world class batsmen. They've enough batsmen to make another team which can be competitive. They've some problems in bowlers.. when McGrath and Warney hang their boots, the selection panel will have a tough job on hands.. Their bowling attack will be weak without mcgrath and warne but overall as a team, they'll be ahead of any other teams. I want them to make few changes in batting line up. drop clarke, martyn, and symonds from test side.. I think langer is also falling. if langer is out of form, then bring in Jacques to open.. Hussey should be at 5. bring in David Hussey in the place of martyn. the brothers will be competing each other for runs, that'll be fun to watch. for bowling, they've to groom Johnson... he's a fine tall left arm bowler and is considered to be the next big thing of Australi.. with Lee, Cullen and jellespie he'll have a good time.. I think so.

for one dayers.. get rid of katich.. and ask watson to spend some time in first class cricket. bring in congrave.. he's very young and an awesome player.. they don't really have a problem in odis.

[manuel]

Though Australia seems to be showing a bit of slump in their level of performance in cricket recently, it cannot be said that they are loosing their dominance yet.

It is not the Australian players who are the real reason behind their sucess instead it is their Management the same can b said with SAF cricket as well. They have created a "system" and environment which seems to be producing good players and they inturn show the result. No individual player however good he might be are pampered neither does their media do .... their system only encourages players to think about their country's interest first and then their personal achievement. A player like steve waugh when started to show some weariness in his performance was promptly replaced .. and surprisingly their players also respond well ...

In other coutries especially Asian countries, they have their star player continue playing .. well past their prime and untill their presense will be found as a liability to the team , we get to hear qoutes like "so many thousand runs" "so many centuries" and cannot be left out of the team and so on.

This might show as if that we are ungratefull to players who have slogged for their contry ... answer is "No individual can be greater than his country" this has to be realised more importantly by the players themselves.

[rockydeva]

see guys,
the average age of Aussies is 33 according world cup surve
the least age is 29 and most is 36

i think they will rule for another 1 year
after that its goona be a big disaster

[P_R]

see guys,
the average age of Aussies is 33 according world cup surve
the least age is 29 and most is 36

i think they will rule for another 1 year
after that its goona be a big disaster

ippidiyE pala varushamaa sollittu irukkOm.

BUt because of the tought nature of their domestic circuit we have players making their debut late and performing extremely well.

For instance consider Hussey and Stuart Clark. Both of them made their debut at 30+ age and have taken to international cricket with ease. Hussey is even rumoured to be a long term captain prospect. Chaps like Michael Clarke,Lee are going to be around for a while. Aussies seem to have a longer shelf life and seem to have a continous supply of talent. So I don't think there'll be a disaster in a few years.

[imsai]

Well said. Their depth is stronger than many international XI. They've good bowlers and batsmen to replace the current XI.

P Jaques is on deadly form. He could replace any of the openers but when these openers're doing well, they won't tinker with the selection.

Have a keeper, Hadin, who's almost as good as Gilly.

Then there's M Hussey's brother D Hussey, who was unlucky to be born in Australia.

And they have a pace attack: Johnson and Tait. Both can swing the ball at 90+ mph.

People love to think Australia are on a decline as WI was after its dominance, but Australia has the best(?) domestic setup.