NATIONAL FILM AWARDS - INDIA

[dinesh2002]

[tscii:85303bc4b2]NATIONAL FILM AWARDS - INDIA



Recognized as one of the liveliest of the arts, cinema is both a means of creative expression and a powerful medium of mass communication. It
is a popular means of entertainment as well as an instrument of social change. Realizing its vast potential, the government has been promoting
cinema in the country for the past many years. The National Film Awards like various other promotional schemes of the government aim at
encouraging the production of quality films.

Started on the recommendation of the Film Enquiry Committee (Headed by S.K.Patil) as an annual incentive in 1954, the state film awards strive
to promote aesthetic and technical standards of films. The nomenclature of the awards was changed to National Film Awards in 1966. The awards
have since come a long way to cover the entire spectrum of Indian cinema.

Initially, only three awards were instituted :- the President’s Gold Medal for the best feature film and the best documentary and the Prime
Minister’s Silver Medal for the best children’s Film. The medallions were later changed to Swarna Kamal and Rajat Kamal. Cash prizes were also
added to these awards subsequently.

The need to promote cinema made the government introduce awards in various Indian languages and dialects in 1955 itself. Separate awards for
artistes and film technicians were introduced in 1968.



NATIONAL FILM AWARDS - MUSIC SECTION



BEST MUSIC BEST MALE PLAYBACK SINGER BEST FEMALE PLAYBACK SINGER BEST LYRICS





BEST MUSIC


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2004 ?????????????????????????????????? (52nd National Film Awards)
2003 Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy (Kal Ho Na Ho - Hindi) - "For its wide range of styles and modes, enriching the themes of the film" - Jury
2002 A.R.Rahman (Kannathil Muthamittal - Tamil) - "For his original musical score highlighting the cultural conflicts and personal anguish in the story" - Jury
2001 A.R.Rahman (Lagaan - Hindi) - "For a music score that is both regional in character and popular in appeal, bringing out the ethos of Saurashtra region" - Jury
2000 Anu Malik (Refugee - Hindi) - "For a score that blends with the story and heightens its narrative. A great effort has been made to ensure that the compositions have all the ingredients of the music of the soul" - Jury
1999 Ismail Darbar (Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam - Hindi) - "For an innovative score that blends in the entire spectrum of Indian music form Classical to folk to embellish the musical narrative of this film" - Jury
1998 Vishal Bharadwaj (Godmother - Hindi) - "The narrative of the film and the music bring about an excellent blend of folk and modern music. It retains the fragrance of the soil of Gujarat" - Jury
1997 M.M. Keeravani (Annamayya - Telugu)
1996 A.R.Rahman (Minsara Kanavu - Tamil)
1995 Hamsalekha (Sangeetha Sagara Ganayogi Panchakshara Gavai - Kannada)
1994 Bombay Ravi (Parinayam - Malayalam)
Johnson (Sukrutham - Malayalam)
Mahesh (Nammavar - Tamil) - Jury's Special Mention
1993 Johnson (Ponthan Mada - Malayalam)
Rajat Dholakia (Sunday - Hindi)
1992 A.R.Rahman (Roja - Tamil)
1991 Rajat Dholakia (Dharavi - Hindi)

Raveendran (Bharatham - Malayalam) - Jury's Special Mention
1990 Hridaynath Mangeshkar (Lekin - Hindi)

1989 Sher Choudhury (Wosobipo - Karbi)
1988 Illayaraja (Rudraveena - Telugu)
1987 Vanraj Bhatia (Tamas - Hindi)
1986 Dr.Balamuralikrishna (Madhvacharya - Telugu)
1985 Illayaraja (Sindhu Bhairavi - Tamil)
1984 Jaidev (Ankahee - Hindi)
1983 Illayaraja (Saagara Sangamam - Telugu)
1982 Ramesh Naidu (Megha Sandesam - Telugu)
1981 Khayyam (Umrao Jaan - Hindi)
1980 Satyajit Ray (Hirak Rajar Deshe - Bengali)

1979 K.V.Mahadevan (Shankarabharanam - Telugu)

1978 Jaidev (Gaman - Hindi)
1977 Satyajit Ray (Shatranj Ke Khiladi - Hindi)

1976 B.V.Karanth (Rishya Shringa - Kannada)

1975 Bhupen Hazarika (Chameli Memsaab - Assamese)
1974 Anand Shankar (Chorus - Hindi)
1973 S.D.Burman (Zindagi Zindagi - Hindi)
1972 Satyajit Ray (Asani Sanket - Bengali)
1971 Jaidev (Reshma Aur Shera - Hindi)
1970 Madan Mohan (Dastak - Hindi)

1969 S.Mohinder (Nanak Nam Jahaz Hai - Punjabi)
1968 Kalyanji-Anandji (Saraswati Chandra - Hindi)

1967 K.V.Mahadevan (Kandan Karunai - Tamil)

1966 ??????????????????????????????????

1965 Salil Choudhary (Chemmeen - Malayalam)


BEST MALE PLAYBACK SINGER


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2004 ?????????????????????????????????? (52nd National Film Awards)
2003 Sonu Nigam ("Kal Ho Na Ho" - Kal Ho Na Ho - Hindi) - "For his memorable rendition of the title song that captures the spirit of the film" - Jury
2002 Udit Narayan ("Chhote Chhote Sapne" - Zindagi Khoobsurat Hai - Hindi) - "For his melodious rendering of the title song" - Jury
2001 Udit Narayan ("Mitwa" - Lagaan, "Jaane Kyon" - Dil Chahta Hai - Hindi)
2000 Shankar Mahadevan ("Enna Solla Pogirai" - Kandukondein Kandukondein - Tamil) -"For the soulful rendering of the song" - Jury
1999 M.G.Sreekumar ("Chanthu Pottum" - Vasanthiyum Lakshmiyum Pinne Njaanum - Malayalam) - "For a heartwarming rendition of the song" - Jury
1998 Sanjeev Abhyankar ("Suno Re Bhaila" - Godmother - Hindi) - "He successfully belnds folk, bhajan and popular music to communicate the lyrics effectively" - Jury
1997 Hariharan ("Mere Dushman" - Border - Hindi)
1996 S.P.Balasubramanium ("Thanga Thamarai Magane" - Minsara Kanavu - Tamil)
1995 S.P.Balasubramanium ("Umandu Ghumandu Ghana Gar Je Badara" - Sangeetha Sagara Ganayogi Panchakshara Gavai - Kannada)
1994 Unnikrishnan ("Ennavale" - Kadhalan - Tamil, "Uyirum Neeye" - Pavithra - Tamil)
1993 Dr.K.J.Yesudas (All Songs - Sopanam - Malayalam, Bhadram Koduko - Telugu)
1992 Dr.Rajkumar ("Nadamaya Yee Lokavella" - Jeevana Charithra - Kannada) - "for his extraordinary rendering of a raga celebrating the all pervasive power of music" - Jury.
1991 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Rama Katha Ganalayam" - Bharatham - Malayalam)
1990 M.G.Sreekumar ("Nadha Roopini" - His Highness Abdullah - Malayalam)

1989 Ajoy Chakraborty (Chhandaneer - Bengali)
1988 S.P.Balasubramanium ("Cheppaalani Undi" - Rudraveena - Telugu)
1987 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Unnikale Oru Katha Parayaam" - Unnikale Oru Katha Parayaam - Malayalam)
1986 Hemanta Kumar (Lalan Fakir - Bengali)
1985 P.Jayachandran ("Sivasankara Sarva Saranya Vibho" - Srinarayana Guru - Malayalam)
1984 Pandit Bhimsen Joshi ("Thumak Thumak" - Ankahee - Hindi)
1983 S.P.Balasubramanium (Saagara Sangamam - Telugu)
1982 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Aakaasha Deshaana" - Megha Sandesam - Telugu)
1981 S.P.Balasubramanium ("Tere Mere Beech Mein" - Ek Duje Ke Liye - Hindi)

1980 Anup Ghosal (Hirak Rajar Deshe - Bengali)
1979 S.P.Balasubramanium ("Om Kaara Nadhaanu" - Shankarabharanam - Telugu)

1978 Shimoga Subanna (Kaadu Kudre - Kannada)
1977 Mohd. Rafi ("Kya Hua Tera Vaada" - Hum Kisi Se Kam Nahin - Hindi)
1976 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Gori Tera Gaon" - Chitchor - Hindi)
1975 Dr.Balamuralikrishna (Hamsageethe - Kannada)
1974 Mukesh ("Kahi Baar Yoon Bhi Dekha Hai" - Rajnigandha - Hindi)
1973 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Padmatheerthame Unaroo" - Gaayathri - Malayalam)
1972 Dr.K.J.Yesudas ("Manushyan Mathangale" - Achanum Bappayum - Malayalam)
1971 Hemanta Kumar ("Sinha Prishhthe Bhar Koriye" - Nimantran - Bengali)
1970 Manna Dey ("Ja Khushi Ora Bole" - Nishi Padma - Bengali, "Aye Bhai Zara Dekh Ke Chalo" - Mera Naam Joker - Hindi)
1969 S.D.Burman ("Safal Hogi Teri Aradhana" - Aradhana - Hindi)
1968 Manna Dey ("Jhanak Jhanak Tore Baaje Paayaliya" - Mere Huzoor - Hindi)
1967 Mahendra Kapoor ("Mere Desh Ki Dharti" - Upkaar - Hindi)
1957 Mohd Rafi ("Jinhen Naaz Hai Hind Par" - Pyaasa - Hindi)


BEST FEMALE PLAYBACK SINGER


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2004 ?????????????????????????????????? (52nd National Film Awards)
2003 Tarali Sarma (Akashitorar Kothare - Assamese) - "For her tuneful rendition of a devotional song without instrumental accompaniment" - Jury
2002 Shreya Ghosal ("Bhairi Piya" - Devdas - Hindi) - "For her soulful rendering of the song" - Jury
2001 Sadhana Sargam ("Pattu Solli" - Azhagi - Tamil) - "For her lilting and touching rendering of the song" - Jury
2000 Bhavatharini Ilayaraaja ("Mayil Pola Ponnu Onnu" - Bharathi - Tamil) - "The song is outstanding because it depicts the velvet voice of the diva" - Jury
1999 Jayshree Dasgupta ("Hriday Ammar Prokash Holo" - Paromitar Ek Din - Bengali) - "For soulful rendering by the singer expressing the inner world of a mentally challenged character in this film" - Jury
1998 Alka Yagnik ("Kuch Kuch Hota Hei" - Kuch Kuch Hota Hai - Hindi) - "Her rendering of this theme song brings out the different moods and emotions and adds greatly to the impact of the film" - Jury
1997 K.S.Chithra ("Payalein Chun Mun" - Viraasat - Hindi)
1996 K.S.Chithra ("Ooh La La La" - Minsara Kanavu - Tamil)
1995 Anjali Marathe (Doghi - Marathi)
1994 Swarnalatha ("Porale Ponnuthaaye" - Karuthamma - Tamil)
1993 Alka Yagnik ("Ghoongat Ki Aad Se" - Hum He Rahi Pyar Ke - Hindi)
1992 S.Janaki ("Inji Iduppazhagi" - Thevar Makan - Tamil)
1991 Vani Jayaram ("Aanati Neeyaraa" - Swathi Kiranam - Telugu)
1990 Lata Mangeshkar ("Yaara Sili Sili" - Lekin - Hindi)

1989 Anuradha Paudwal (Kalat Nakalat - Marathi)
1988 Chithra ("Indupushpam" - Vaishali - Malayalam)
1987 Asha Bhosle ("Mera Kuchh Saamaan" - Ijaazat - Hindi)
1986 K.S.Chithra ("Manjal Prasadavum" - Nakhakshathangal - Malayalam)
1985 K.S.Chithra ("Padariyen" - Sindhu Bhairavi - Tamil)
1984 S.Janaki ("Vennello Godari Andham" - Sithara - Telugu)
1983 P.Susheela ("Yento Beedha Vedu Gopaludu" -M L A Yedukondalu - Telugu)
1982 P.Susheela ("Aakhulo Aakhunai Poovulo Poovunai" - Megha Sandesham - Telugu)
Arti Mukherjee ("Do Naina Ek Kahani" - Masoom - Hindi)
1981 Asha Bhosle ("Dil Cheez Kya Hai" - Umrao Jaan - Hindi)
Parveen Sultana ("Humein Tumse Pyar Kitna" - Kudrat - Hindi)
1980 S.Janaki ("Ettumanoorambalathil" - Oppol - Malayalam)
1979 Vani Jayaram ("Ee Teerugananu Dayachuchedavo" - Shankarabharanam - Telugu)

1978 Chhaya Ganguli ("Aap Ki Yaad Aati Rahi Raat Bhar" - Gaman - Hindi)
1977 P.Susheela ("Jhummandhi Naadham" - Siri Siri Muvva - Telugu)
1976 S.Janaki ("Senthoora Poove" - 16 Vayadhinile - Tamil)
1975 Vani Jayaram ("Kelviyin Nayagane" - Apoorva Raagangal - Tamil)
1974 Lata Mangeshkar ("Roothe Roothe Piya" - Kora Kagaz - Hindi)

1973 ??????????????????????????????????
1972 Lata Mangeshkar ("Beeti Na Bitai" - Parichay - Hindi)
1971 P.Susheela ("Chittukkuruvikkenna Kattuppaadu" - Savaale Samaali - Tamil)
1970 Sandhya Mukherjee ("Amader Chhuti Chhuti" - Jay Jayanti - Bengali & "Sakal Sona Molin" - Nishi Padma - Bengali)
1969 K.B.Sundarambal (Thunaivan - Tamil)

1968 P.Susheela ("Paal Polave - Nalai Intha Velai" - Uyarntha Manithan - Tamil)
1967 K.B.Sundarambal ("Ariyathu Ariyathu" - Kandan Karunai - Tamil)
1962 S.Janaki ("Singaara Velane Deva" - Konjum Salangai - Tamil)


BEST LYRICS


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2004 ?????????????????????????????????? (52nd National Film Awards)
2003 Suddala Ashok Teja ("Nenu Saitham" - Tagore - Telugu) - "For relating Sri Sri's poem 'Nenu Saitham' to contemporary times in order to awaken the masses against social evils" - Jury
2002 Vairamuthu (Kannathil Muthamittal - Tamil) - "For rising above the conventions of film songs to reach the realm of poetry" - Jury
2001 Javed Akthar ("Radha Kaise Na Jale", "Ghanan Ghanan" - Lagaan - Hindi) - "The poet used very simple language to bring out the richness of the Kutch locale" - Jury
2000 Javed Akthar ("Panchi Nadiya Aur Pavan" - Refugee - Hindi) - "In his inimitable style, speaks of transcending borders and countries, with beautifully written words for love and compassion" - Jury
Yusuf Ali Kachery ("Gayam Harinaama Dhayam" - Mazha - Malayalam) - "The song depicts the right mix of the ethos of our land in an invocation to Lord Krishna" - Jury
1999 Vairamuthu ("Muthal Murai" - Sangamam - Tamil) - "In his own imitable style the renowned poet has imparted a certain lyrical charm to the song" - Jury
1998 Javed Akthar ("Mati Re Mati Re" - Godmother - Hindi) - "For the authentic blend of dialect and emotion. A song of patriotism and passion, the lyrics are lucid and thought provoking" - Jury
1997 Javed Akthar (Border - Hindi)
1996 Javed Akthar (Saaz - Hindi)
1995 Amit Khanna ("Kuchh Is Tarah" - Bhairavi - Hindi)
1994 Vairamuthu (Karuthamma - Tamil, Pavithra - Tamil)
1993 Veturi Sundara Ramamurthy ("Raali Poye Puvva" - Mathru Devo Bhava - Telugu)
1992 Vairamuthu (Roja - Tamil)
1991 K S Narasimha Swamy (Mysoora Mallige - Kannada)
1990 Gulzar (Lekin - Hindi)
1989 Satarupa Sanyal (Chandaneer - Bengali)
1988 O.N.V.Kurup (Vaishali - Malayalam)
1987 Gulzar ("Mera Kuchh Saaman" - Ijaazat - Hindi)
1985 Vairamuthu (Muthal Mariyathai - Tamil)
1984 Vasant Dev ("Andhiyaaraa Gaharaayaa Suunaapan Ghir Aayaa" - Saaransh - Hindi)
1983 ??????????????????????????????????
1982 ??????????????????????????????????
1981 ??????????????????????????????????
1980 Satyajit Ray ("Aha Ki Ananda Akashe Batashe" - Hirak Rajar Deshe - Bengali)

1979 ??????????????????????????????????

1978 ??????????????????????????????????

1977 ??????????????????????????????????

1976 ??????????????????????????????????

1975 ??????????????????????????????????
1974 Sri Sri ("Telugu Veera Levaraa" - Alluri Seetharamaraju - Telugu)

1973 ??????????????????????????????????
1972 Vayalar Ramavarma ("Manushyan Mathangale" - Achanum Bappayum - Malayalam)

1971 Prem Dhawan (Nanak Dukhia Sab Sansar - Punjabi)

1970 ??????????????????????????????????
1969 Kaifi Azimi (Saat Hindustani - Hindi)
1968 Kannadasan ("Devan Vanthaan" - Kuzhanthaikkaga - Tamil)


NOTES



+ "Best Lyrics" award used to be known as "Lyric writer of the Best song on National Integration", till 1974.





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[rajeshkrv]

dinesh

Sjanaki got her first national award for Senthoora poove only

no award for singara velane deva

Female play back singer award was installed in 1969
and P.Suseela got for uyarndha manidhan
uyarndha manidhan was released in 1968
and awards normally will be announced the next year

[svaisn]

Minsara Kanavu was released in 1997

and Chitra received the award @ 1997

[m_23_bayarea]

I really hope Vikram gets another National Award for ANNIYAN....He was just amazing in the movie!!

[Movies]

m 23 bayarae, U are in LOVE with anniyan!

[Scale]

Minsara Kanavu was released in 1997

and Chitra received the award @ 1997

Minsara Kanavu was released in 1997 but it was produced for certification in 1996 itself. Jury considers the year of certification not the release. Take Andhimandharai, its too similar.

Hope it clarifies.

[m_23_bayarea]

m 23 bayarae, U are in LOVE with anniyan!

Oh man, I SURELY AM !!!!

[Ravi_odiyur]

rajeshkrv, thanks for sharing the info. Infact, I had the same thoughts when I was going thru' the list and your post said it all.

dinesh2002, are you sure these details are authentic? As far as I remember (and as rajeshkrv) mentioned, awards for playback singing were introduced only in 1969 (and PS was the first to receive it). But then it was just one award (male/female). It was in the year 1976 that separate awards for male and female playback singing were instituted and SJ won the award then for Senthoorapoove... song.

[vincent]

Dinesh ur really great!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[dinesh2002]

hahahahaha...no man....Vinod Raju is the REAL GREAT GUY!!!:D:D:D

[MADDY]

News just pouring in and it seems very bleak-

Best Film : Page3
Best Actor : Saif ali khan(Hum tum :? )
Best Actress : Aishwarya Rai (raincoat)

[Manisekaran]

A good data base

[MADDY]

hey guys....

Best Music:vidayasagar for swarabhishekham(telugu)

no award for ARR :cry: ......

Best Playback singer:Udit for Yeh tara woh tara(swades) :D
Best Patriotic film: Bose
Best processing:swades

Best entertainment film autograph with veer zara

[Cinefan]

Bose&Udit narayan are acceptable,even Autograph.Swarnabhishekam,I have not heard so cannot comment.But Veer Zaara,Saif,Ash,Page3&Madhur Bhandarkar(Best director)makes a mockery of the whole thing.An absolute surrender to the market forces&not talent.Disgusting.

BTW who the hell was the chairman of the jury&who were the members?All them deserve a kick in the a*$

[interz]

????? maddy are you joking or is that really truth, i cant believe it

[Cinefan]

http://sify.com/movies/others/fullstory.php?id=13895191

A more comprehensive list.

Ash is not best actress but Tara(Kamal's sis in Nayakan) for the kannada film Haseena.

Page 3 is best film but best director is Buddhadev dasgupta for the bengali film 'Swapner Din'.

Chitra is best playback(Female)for Ovvaru Pookkalume'-Autograph
Pa.Vijay is best lyricist for Autograph.

Maddy,

This report doesn't mention the Best MD,where did you read Vidyasagar's name?

[Arjuna]

ARR shuld get the national award for BOSE!!

[Cinefan]

http://www.idlebrain.com/news/2000march20/nationalawards2005.html

A more comprehensive list but gets the name of the Best director wrong.

BTW which film was adjudged the Best Tamil film?

[Jacky]

it's a shame that ARR hasn't won anything for Swades or Meenaxi.

[sureshmehcnit]

Hey, i accept ARR gave some great music in Meenaxi and Swades but before that try to listen "Swarabishekam", it is one of the best effort Vidhyasagar in the last decade and truly the best classcial music album of 2004.

No hard feelings

[sureshmehcnit]

http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/07/autograph-bags-3-national-awards.html

http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/07/some-probabales.html

http://ursmusically.blogspot.com/2005/07/52nd-national-film-awards.html

[Cinefan]

it's a shame that ARR hasn't won anything for Swades or Meenaxi.

Include 'Bose'.

But when has real quality output been recognised?There are so many instances of good acting,music,films,technical excellence going unrecognised since the time these awards were instituted.This year is no exception.

[Jacky]

Yep but at least the solace factor could be that it had more themes than songs. Don't know the criterion for Best music by awards committee.
The list is endless like IR for Anjali and Thalpathi, ARR certainly deserved one for Dilse.
To be fair to VS, I must listen to that Album but I don't think it'll be better than Swades.
Just my gut feeling.

[MADDY]

Hey guys sorry for the misinfo:it was tara as best actress for Hasina(kannada) and not ash as popularly expected.....

Sudhir mishra was the jury head......director vasanth was also jury member......

Best Tamil film: Navras by santhosh sivan.......

i think to be fair enuf, jury cannot give award to ARR evrytime isn't it??? but ARR's songs somehow or the other get awards...i think that's enuf.....

[Arjuna]

swarabhishekam is nowhere near compared to BOSE!! ARR shuld have got the national awards for Kandukondein kandukondein and DilSe..

This yr I dont think Vikram can get the national award for Anniyan since AB in Black was just awesome..

[alias]

This time it should be Meenaxi... Because of the rich composition and music.

[Scale]

I watched Zee News where they live telecasted the awards announcement in between the news.

Yes its Mr. Sudhir Mishra,head of the jury gave explanation for each and every award their odd choices this time.The following is not in any order.

a) Saif Ali Khan : This is what everyone is expecting for. He told a best actor is not who just cries and makes his lips twists in dialogues (specifically). This time we have choosen Saif Ali Khan becoz it is a complex role who has portrayed it naturally. (Saif Ali Khan won Best Comedian Film fare award for Hum Tum & SRK best actor for VZ/Swades). :lol: :lol:

b) Tara: The media has taken wrongly as Ash(Rediff thane Maddy) and he explained abt Tara's role.

c) Best Supporting Actor: 92 year old man acting or in original. I dont remember. a brief explanation.

d) Best Supporting Actress: Sheela (He asked specifically the audience to clap hands for the supporting actor and actress).

e) Best Popular Film Award - Veer-Zaara(Hindi) and Autograph (Tamil)

While explaining he told we want to give only one film and considering the hindi as the major (north) and in south (major telugu and tamil, though they were 3 (ignored malayalam[/b])). This shocked me may be the majority of the jury is telugu based. remember how vikram got award last yr (1).

f) Best Costume designer: Usually we choose only for period films but this time no. I dont whom he gave this award.

g) Best Music Director: He announced Udit narayan (swades) and chitra without any explanation. Similarly for Best Music Direction Vidyasagar for the telugu film "Swarabishekam" (2).

h) Best choreographer: None other than parbhudeva...(back to news).

Suresh & alias! Meenaxi was in 2003 itself. Like me a layman to telugu songs, give a Ist check at raaga.com rating. ( SW - 4 stars (movie index only not even in VS list) & Swades 4 stars, Bose all 5 stars). Estimating the weightage of both Swades & Bose tracks,soulful singing, instrumental themes (shehnai,flute & bose orchestras arr certainly deserves national award when compared to VS! . I think the jury is very specific that they dont want to repeat the veterans for the awards or the majority of the jury is telugu.

Being an arden ARR fan its a Big disappointment :evil: ! I dont know how A R R feels :cry: :cry: . And this is not the first time in his career he is facing such disappointment.

May god & A R R fans give him sheer confidence for the upcoming albums to be commercially good and win more awards.

h3walrus & interz (rendu perum telugu vaaa)!!

VS! Fans Enjoy the merriment.


PS:
National Awards are to retain National Integrity

[interz]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: this must be one of the best days for VS fan.

i heard swaarabhisekham songs, but sangeetha songs arent my cup of tea. any way gongrats Vidyasagar good things happens to those who worked for rajani :-)

[app_engine]

Congrats to Vidyasagar and KSC!

How many Natl awards has Chitra got so far? Is it 5 or more?

1. sindhubhairavi
2. nagakshadhangaL (Malayalam)
3. vaishAli (Malayalam)
4. Hindi inji iduppazhagi
5. autograph

[alias]

This is pure bogus national awards... swaarabhisekham was not at all appreciated and it was a big flop even though it happen to be K.Vishwanath movie. ARR defintely deserves for Bose (if not for Meenaxi since it was to be considered as 2003 release). And Saif Ali Khan .. why on the hell they would give it to Saif Ali Khan... Look at the original and compare with Billy Crystal and SAK was no way near to him. And I would think this time SRK deserves award for his excellent portrail in Swades. This is a big cheating and Sudhir Mishra should resign from the post along with the Jury members. And Anji ..special effects.. what a joke...

[app_engine]

Going by the first post, it must be KSC's 6th as the listing says she got for Minsara kanavu also...

[app_engine]

"it was a big flop"....alias, I don't think commercial success had been a criteria for NA...sometimes awards were given to movies that couldn't even get released...

[Ramki]

Did saif ali khan receive the award in best actress category or best actor?? Just checking :wink:

[vijayr]

alias, how did you feel when Bhavatharini won the national award in 2001? :-)) I stopped following these awards back in the 90s itself. Award shows and procedures for that are a big joke in India compared to how they do it in Hollywood. And even the Oscar Academy has been criticized time and again.

[Ravi_odiyur]

Congrats to all the awardees!! I was especially happy for Chithra and Pa.Vijay. These were atleast in expected lines right?

Regarding award being given to Saif, I think most of our mind sets have been stereo-typed - in the sense that we tend to have an opinion that only serious and sober roles are worth awards. Such seems to be the case for music as well - soft, sad, carnatic-based songs are favoured for awards. Come on! Acting is acting which includes all the 'nava rasam'. So why leave out comedy and light hearted roles? I am not sure about Saif's character potrayed in Hum Tum but saying that he doesn't deserve the award just because he did a comic role - sorry, can't vouch for that!

[MADDY]

saif ali khan's award is an apology to Mr.Tiger Pataudi from central govt..........
as far as ARR is concerned, they will not give any more awards to him as it is a policy of committee not to give more than 4-5 awards to a single person in technical categories.......

listened to swarabhishekham songs- i dunno but they were no way near to swades or Bose......maybe that's bcos i have ARR's music always running in my blood :D .......

[united07]

I definitely believe huge success got nothing to do with Award selection.

Even in Oscar awards, being a BO hit is a no guarantee for a Oscar.

Remember how Ismail Darbar, for his, Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam edged out Taal for NA. Now, we all know..Taal sold second to none that year!

[Scale]

saif ali khan's award is an apology to Mr.Tiger Pataudi from central govt..........
as far as ARR is concerned, they will not give any more awards to him as it is a policy of committee not to give more than 4-5 awards to a single person in technical categories.......

listened to swarabhishekham songs- i dunno but they were no way near to swades or Bose......maybe that's bcos i have ARR's music always running in my blood :D .......

Is that true Maddy that ARR cannot get anymore national awards since he exceeded the list :lol:

Yday I was hearing Kisna (HHIPY 3 instrumentals esp flute & piano, MWCT), Swades (YDHT & Pal pal instrumental shehnai & flute) & Bose 20 tracks(All themes especially kadam orcha,desh ki mitti piano & jana gana mana) repeatedly till 1.30 am. I was almost in tears & unable to find any reason why it was rejected. This year even filmfares and other awards(IIFA) deliberately rejected these albums too. God! how ARR would have felt . I am sure its not just me (ARR fan) even an ordinary listener can experience similar feelings when compared to other albums.

Damn! Did the jury listened to the CD or from anyy 32 kbps mp3 sites? Are they really aware of all these instrumentals?.

:( :( :(

[dinesh2002]

i dun think BOSE will be included in the nomination list...as its a 2005 release no??

[Guess_Me]

i dun think BOSE will be included in the nomination list...as its a 2005 release no??

But Bose, as a movie, won some award for National Integration though.

[interz]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
KING OF MELODY HAS MADE HISTORY WITH SWAARABHISEKHAM.

also GONGRATS to paa vijay and chitra for "Ovvuru Pookkalume".

im PRETTY SURE VIDYASAGAR WILL WIN tamil state award for Chandramukhi too.

[NormalMan]

alias, how did you feel when Bhavatharini won the national award in 2001? :-)) I stopped following these awards back in the 90s itself. Award shows and procedures for that are a big joke in India compared to how they do it in Hollywood. And even the Oscar Academy has been criticized time and again.

Vijay -> I stopped follwoing when ARR won for Minsara Kanavau......seriously, it was one of most cordinated campaigns of AVM (for their 50th year).

[alias]

Normalman Dude, you got tto be kidding... If MK didnt win award, then we need to shut down the NA forever. MK is the album that year and years to come man.. Sharpen your ears and listen once again especially Anbendra Mazhalaiyale from Anuradha Sriram.. I think Anuradha only best melodious songs in her entire career.

[vijayr]

SPB winning it for thangath thaamarai magaLe is something he would have been terribly embarassed with.
Normal man, I am not upset about Rahman winning it that year(or anytime). If he didnt deserve it for Minsaara kanavu he probably deserved it for some other album that year. His work was consistently good around that time. Even this year Swades/Bose are easily one of the strongest contenders.

Bhavatharini winning it pretty much sealed it for me.That was the year there was a huge controversy over the awards and sveeral jury members resigned. There was a thread dedicated just to complain :-)
http://tfmpage.com/forum/26478.8400.10.33.42.html

[balaji]

Bhavatharini winning it pretty much sealed it for me.That was the year there was a huge controversy over the awards and sveeral jury members resigned. There was a thread dedicated just to complain ..

Wait, I thought National awards lost respect, when MGR received best actor award for "Rikshakaran" in 1972.
Congress did this thinking they are rewarding MGR for breaking away from DMK. Congress did not realize that they will soon become a small player with MGR's move...


Bala

[njv]

Honestly awards doesnt matter anymore, speically looking at saif winning best actor. Infact it is shame for ARR if he win award this year.

maddy, swarabhishekam songs are no good compared to manmadharasa or any bs, so dont even bother to compare that with bose/swades.

[rajasaranam]

SPB winning it for thangath thaamarai magaLe is something he would have been terribly embarassed with.
Normal man, I am not upset about Rahman winning it that year(or anytime). If he didnt deserve it for Minsaara kanavu he probably deserved it for some other album that year. His work was consistently good around that time. Even this year Swades/Bose are easily one of the strongest contenders.

Bhavatharini winning it pretty much sealed it for me.....

Vijayr,

Its only the case of personal opinion about awards. every year there are some winners and some losers...
we always try to relate to something which we find the best to be awarded and crib over the awards given to some one else.
For instance The year 1997 saw some of great IR classics like 'Guru', Yaatra mozhi' and kaliyoonjalu' in malayalam and 'Devathai' and 'Kaathalukku mariyaadai' in Tamizh. I think That IR deserved an award for any of these movies easily over 'Minsara kanavu' ... But it just didnt happen.
You personally may not like Bhavadharini's 'Mayil pola' but The jury thought otherwise :) while i was saddened by the thought that IR didnt get an award for the film 'Bharathi' ...
The whole history of awards is like that, not only here but all over the world. and we not need not ponder over these things much.
Its only a couple of people may be 10's /100's who form a meager group of the total population here in india ... who accidentaly were given the oppurtunity of being in the jury. and we need not care what they think.
Same applies to ARR fans who come over here and crib over that ARR didnt get any award for BOSE, SWADES etc., You people enjoyed the music right ... then its well awarded. And Bose Got an excellent award from myself an HCIRF :) go enjoy reading my thread here
http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=3162
Stop coming over here and allow the merriment of VS fans :thumbsup:

[NormalMan]

Totally against Bavatharani getting the award. I was expecting Chitra to get one for KKKK that year.

Guru was released in 1997, same year Misara Kanavu won the NA. No doudt MK had popular songs. But please not even remotely close to the type of much Guru had. I seriously doubt whether any of the jury members understood such a kind of music.

There were tons of other movies which were over looked for NA's. Kaadhal Oviyum (absolutely stunning music, lyrics, rendering by SPB, SJ).

Now I'm playing Devil's Advocate - NA for Karagaatakaran (if you can give one for Lagaan by saying that its music is both regional in character and popular in appeal, bringing out the ethos of Saurashtra region), why not this which totally brings out the folk culture of Tamil Nadu.

One thing is sure. You need to do a lot of lobbying.

[app_engine]

Award controversies spring up each time - may be because the criteria is not clear or it is very difficult to set criteria for something like cinema...in other words, what are the rules to make a song `award-worthy'? (or a singer or a lyricist or a MD? How will you compare a Thamizh poem with a Bengali poem? If you compare the English translations of both, how sure are you it is not the translator's skills or imaginations? Can any individual in India appreciate all the languages equally so as to make a judgement on poem, script etc.)

Even if the panel manages to have a `measurement criteria or list or meter', how each one will be measured will again depend on the person who measures (individual juries) as there's no meter which can say this song is 9/10 or that is 8.89/10...Personal bias automatically come into picture (however much the jury is impartial, his/her `taste' will still rule as one's malligai is another's karuvAdu)

While awarding Bhavatharini or MGR is not acceptable to a set of people, there may be another set which vehemently support them...obviously, those among the juries will have similar personal bias and the max bias wins:-)

So the conclusion : Be happy for those who have got! VS, KSC, Pa.Vijay - three cheers!

(If you think someone else may deserve the award more, it's just your opinion based on taste...best wishes for next time)

[rajasaranam]

While awarding Bhavatharini or MGR is not acceptable to a set of people, there may be another set which vehemently support them...

Just because you brought MGR in the picture. Recently i read an interview by 'Thankar Bachan' in which he said MGR and Rajini are best natural actors leaving apart their mass appeal, Style etc., I was just stunned and thought about this... It should be true indeed, otherwise why am i enjoying every MGR and Rajini film though i bet on Sivaji and Kamal as great actors :?
Yesterday i saw 'naan Anaiyittaal' in KTV/SUN. Apart from melodramatic scenes MGR does well in love and other common scenes. i've started looking them in another perspective altogether. may be Rickshawkaran is good. Should watch it again to judge about it :)

[Arjuna]

In 1997, ARR came with Iruvar and Minsara Kanavu and Iruvar was something world class and shuld have got that NA..None of the other films in 1997 could compete with the greatness of Iruvar..

[Arjuna]

ARR's Rising has released and the initial views claim its rocking!! ARR's 5th NA is for Rising!!

[vijayr]

rajasaranam, if you think I was terribly bothered that Bhava got the award then you are wrong. I just had a good laugh over it, that's all. You have given further examples to prove why these awards are'nt to be taken seriously anymore. And I dont. (IMO, Awards themselves are meaningless to a certain extent in arts) Like someone mentioned earlier MGR or Bhava getting an award might have to do more with lobbying or nepotism than the panel's own judgement. If the members of the jury really thought they deserved the award its another issue. But if they succumbed to political pressure/nepotism etc. then the awards lose all credence. Its like a rigged poll.

"You personally may not like Bhavadharini's 'Mayil pola' but The jury thought otherwise Smile"

NO ONE whom I came across, who is an objective listener of music and not biased, supported Bhava's award. Even some IR fans were stunned. Atleast in other cases(like MGR or Minsaara kanavu) the opinions are mixed.

I wonder what were the other nominations that year for best singer. The fact that Mayil Pola got nominated by itself is a miracle.

[vijayr]

Atleast MGR was popular and had "acted" in many commercially succesful mainstream films. Same with Rahman and Minsaara kanavu's success.

But Bhava is'nt even a regular playback singer and doesnt sing for anyone other than IR now and then. The whole thing is a mystery. I can't think of a single reason other than bias/nepotism on the part of certain members of the panel.

[vijayr]

rajasaranam, the reason why IR did'nt win in 97 or Rahman didnt win this year might also be due to some considerations as to how many times the same MD could win the award. IR had already gotten it 3 times. Plus there was some rumour or news that IR was declining further awards and award nominations.

[app_engine]

"why am i enjoying every MGR and Rajini film though i bet on Sivaji and Kamal as great actors"...

rs, actually Rajini is potentially a great actor - IMHO, with better talents than Kamal who has relatively more limitations...Fortunate Kamal (or commercially unfortunate?)got (or chosen) good roles that brought out his `acting' skills while Rajini got limited opportunities (or he chose to stick to mass masAlA for monetary reasons...)...as an example, imagine MR making Dhalapathi with Kamal, it would have been horrible (the power that Rajini brings out when he shouts in the police parade in front of Jai Shankar Kamal can only dream of)...OTOH, Rajini could have phoo-phooed the Nayakan role of Kamal (jujubi)...

All said, I admire both of them equally (much like I admire MGR for his moral-preaching thru movies and Shivaji for his simmakkural / dialogue / facial expressions)...absolutely no bias / offense to any one...

[vijayr]

Although Swarabishekham sounded pretty average to me I am happy that VS got an award, Congrats to him. VS's sense of melody, if not anything else, is commendable and he has had quite a rough path to the top without any patronage from any quarters. Also, the fact that a lost genre like semi-classicals has been recognized is another positive point.
I hope he doesnt accept too many Vijay films in the future though-just no scope for doing anything creative.

Looking at the bright side-atleast YSR or Bharadwaj didnt get it, so all is not lost :-)

[Nerd]

"why am i enjoying every MGR and Rajini film though i bet on Sivaji and Kamal as great actors"...

rs, actually Rajini is potentially a great actor - IMHO, with better talents than Kamal who has relatively more limitations...Fortunate Kamal (or commercially unfortunate?)got (or chosen) good roles that brought out his `acting' skills while Rajini got limited opportunities (or he chose to stick to mass masAlA for monetary reasons...)...as an example, imagine MR making Dhalapathi with Kamal, it would have been horrible (the power that Rajini brings out when he shouts in the police parade in front of Jai Shankar Kamal can only dream of)...OTOH, Rajini could have phoo-phooed the Nayakan role of Kamal (jujubi)...

All said, I admire both of them equally (much like I admire MGR for his moral-preaching thru movies and Shivaji for his simmakkural / dialogue / facial expressions)...absolutely no bias / offense to any one...

I have a comment on this, remember the thalapathy climax scene where rajini has to cry over his b.f's death. You know what, he smoked 22 cigarettes to compose(?) himself and give a mindblowing performance in that particular scene and I guess that particular shot took a day!!

Rajini as velu nayakar?? sounds interesting!! But kamal was amazing in that role..

[app_engine]

But kamal was amazing in that role..

kasi sce,
True, Kamal did a splendid job. However, for that kind of a role / screen play / picturisation, even a below-average actor like Thiyagarajan (mambattiyan) would have appeared awesome:-)

[njv]

ARR's Rising has released and the initial views claim its rocking!! ARR's 5th NA is for Rising!!

I thought its not released yet. Where did you hear it. I am sure it will rock, but just curious since I will be getting the CD only tomorrow.

[Nerd]

Yep true njv :D

National awards, well thats a damp squib now.. i dont believe in it and almost each one of you pointed out its stupidity.. to add to that list vikram getting it last year for that crude sithan character :banghead:

also I heard that simran missed the award juz coz she dint dub for her in kannathil muthamittal, is that true?? isnt that stupid too?? IMO, she was pretty good in that role!

[Ravi_odiyur]

Wow! Pretty interesting stuff here. Opinions from rajasaranam and app_engine were quite understandable. But regarding Bhavatharini's award, I felt that was quite justified (or am I saying this because I got carried away by the song's tune and music??). I know Bhava is an average singer and not too good with expressions and emotions while singing but still felt her rendering of 'Mayil Pola' was good.

kasi_sce, I am not quite sure about the 'dubbing' factor because I have heard that actors whose voice are dubbed are not eligible for national awards (infact even the on-line form states that). I have heard that Radha was rejected for the award (for Mudhal Mariyadhai) on this basis. But Shobana had won the National Award for 'Manichitrathaazhu' and I think her voice was dubbed in that movie.

[vijayr]

Ravi_odiyur, just a mere good rendition of an ordinary song doesnt merit an award. How did Bhava deserve it over the other nominees? How was her rendition superior to say Chithra's in "enge enadhu kavidhai" that year, or 100 other songs that in my opinion were far better renditions? Even in the same Bharathy album, "ninnai charan adaidhen" by Bombay Jayashree was more challenging to render.

[Ravi_odiyur]

Very true Vijayr. I completely agree with you. Chithra's both songs in KKKK were soulfully rendered. But was Chithra nominated that year?

[Nerd]

IMO, bava rendered that song well.. her voice was so sweet and suited that little girl.. but no way near engey enathu kavithai by chitra..

[Arjuna]

njv-> I heard the news from the ARR yahoogroup..

[yvsmani]

alias :
lesa lesa nee illatha vazhvu is another solo melodious song by anuradha sriram apart from anbendra mazhaiyilae

[Ravi_odiyur]

Yvsmani/alias - what about the nice songs in Kannukkul Nilavu - Oru naal oru kanavu and roja poonthottam. Also, "Nalam nalamariya aaval" is another melody by Anuradha Sriram.

Oops... am I off track from the subject? Sorry!

[narcot]

In the technical awards category, MAHESH AANE wins best cinematographer award for Swades. .... FOR HIS OUTSTANDING OUT OF FOCUS SHOTS!!!!!! man!!! catch these bureaucrats for their selection!

Page 3 - best film.. YUCK is the word!

Just cos sudhir mishra (head of the hury) needs a chance desperately from the Chopra camp, does he really need to lick their a$$, giving the most popular film award to veer zara , along with the wonderful autograph? this is like demeaning autograph, yaar

[Cinefan]

SORRY FOR THE DIGRESSION:

Some of the comments in this thread:

1)Kamal can only dream of the power rajni brought to a scene in Dalapathy

2)Velu Naicker's role in Nayakan will be jujubee,thoosu for Rajni

3)Thiyagarajan would have done a equally good job with Velu Naicker's role

I don't know what to say&am :shock:-ed

By the same count Rajni can only dream of the kind of raw energy Kamal bought to the scene where he hits out at the inspector(Tinnu Anand's dad in the movie)

I don't want to start a Kamal Vs Rajni war here but can't resist from making this post:There is a strong reason for Rajni being a SS&an equally strong reason why Kamal is called a great actor.Don't demean him by comparing with Thyagarajan.

In fact Mani is on record accepting the tremendous inputs Kamal gave to that movie(Nayakan).

Rajni might be a potentially great actor but an artiste is judged not on what he could do but what he has done.On that count Kamal beats Rajni hands down.

End digression.

PS:I hope this post of mine doesn't bring about a barrage of opinions to the contrary thereby derailing this thread.Furthur discussions on this can be continued in the CM VS MX thread, provided hubbers are interested.

BTW,I am not too keen on it,have had enough of Kamal Vs Rajni fights in my life :D

[njv]

SORRY FOR THE DIGRESSION:

Some of the comments in this thread:

1)Kamal can only dream of the power rajni brought to a scene in Dalapathy

2)Velu Naicker's role in Nayakan will be jujubee,thoosu for Rajni

3)Thiyagarajan would have done a equally good job with Velu Naicker's role


Guys if you look back in 80s, Rajni was doing all character roles and Kamal was doing hero oriented action movies. So both are capable of doing both job.

If Kamal acted in Dhalapathi, it would have been a different but not Dhalapathi. (I find Satya character lot similar to Dhalapathi character)

Likewise if Rajni acted in Nayakan, it would have been different, but not nayakan.

what made both these movie great is not only just these two people, but an undisputed BGM by IR and a flawless direction by MR and very nice team work.

BTW I heard rumours that Rajni's second daughter is getting married to "Jeyam Ravi". Is that true? (I am not sorry for the DIGRESSION here because it will divert ppl from getting into a KRW)

[app_engine]

"True, Kamal did a splendid job. However, for that kind of a role / screen play / picturisation, even a below-average actor like Thiyagarajan (mambattiyan) would have appeared awesome:-)"

is equal to

"3)Thiyagarajan would have done a equally good job with Velu Naicker's role"

according to Cinefan.

bEsh, bEsh, nalla interpretation:-))

[vijayr]

Rajni might have done a good job in Nayagan but I cant even begin to imagine him in Salangai Oli, SippikkuL muththu, Anbe Sivam or GuNa :-)
Agreed that he had potential which was tapped by KB/BR/SPM/Mahendran in the late 70s but Kamal is a much more versatile artiste/actor and is in a different league altogether. Rajni has very good screen presence/charisma/voice and that explains the "power" he sometimes seems to exude on screen. Not to be confused with acting.
BTW,I have always considered Dalapathi an extension(or rehash) of Nayagan done for Rajni.

[app_engine]

You're right vijay about the `appAvi with Athiram' roles that Kamal excelled...nobody else could have ever matched...that's his speciality area...it's very appropriate that he bagged his NA's for moondRAm piRai (a flawless, controlled performance through out the film and extraordinary in the climax) and sAhara sangamam (no words to describe - recently I saw salangai oli on DVD, the scene in which he pichchu otharifys Shailaja -`this is kathak' etc- is brilliance of the highest degree)...

Compared to those roles, nAyakan was way below (very average) performance...probably demanded only that much.

As someone mentioned, the movie itself was phenomenal (story / direction / music / camera work / artwork everything was excellent) so much of goodies packed that I wanted to sit through the next show also (didn't do it because of the lousy `NEW' theatre in Palakkad, would've done it if it was in the college auditorium)...

[alias]

alias :
lesa lesa nee illatha vazhvu is another solo melodious song by anuradha sriram apart from anbendra mazhaiyilae

But I think MK song of Anuradha outscored any of her other songs and I consider to her best and outclass all her other songs. If you compare her raw voice in Lesa lesa and her melodious soul stirring voice in MK, it is really unbelievable and if I am not wrong, that was her first song (atleast with ARR).

[MADDY]

"Just because you brought MGR in the picture. Recently i read an interview by 'Thankar Bachan' in which he said MGR and Rajini are best natural actors leaving apart their mass appeal, Style etc., I was just stunned and thought about this... It should be true indeed, otherwise why am i enjoying every MGR and Rajini film though i bet on Sivaji and Kamal as great actors "

this is absolutely true.....i've been saying this for so many times....ppl. thought i was a fool....i just love MGR movies......all those shivaji and kamal fans tell me which movie u wud prefer to watch on a comfortable sunday afternoon -

Enga veetu pillai or Baaga pirivinai
Padaiyappa or ANbe sivam......kamal and shivaji are class but they stretch it a bit too far.....Rajni, MGR r very natural and stay within their limits....... :D

[vijayr]

Maddy, why do you watch baagapirivinai or anbe sivam? Watch MMKR or Bale Pandiya or Avvai Shanmughi :-)

[Arjuna]

I also think that in MGR's films - comedy plays a big part unlike sivaji's films since the greatest comedy actor of all Indian cinema Nagesh is present in MGR's films..

[njv]

Ahaa.. Aarambichchutaangada Aarambichchutaanga. Getuppa maathinaalum charactera maathave maatengareengalae

[MADDY]

no njv, i think ppl. in TN have a very wrong conception that MGR and Rajni r bad at acting and only shivaji/kamal r good.....that is totally wrong......i just watched rajni's gayathri,moondru mudichhu,aval oru thodarkathai....rajni was so subtle in these movies....he is a gr8 actor spoiled by formula directors and superstardom.....same goes to MGR....the way he handles his anand character in Ananda jyothi is amazing...so natural yet so striking.....

i really request all ppl. here to refrain from putting down rajni/MGR for shivaji and Kamal.........they r also gud actors.......i'm proud to call myself a admirer of MGR....

[Jacky]

Yep. MGR is a very good actor. Somebody said there was a scene in 'Padagotti' where he was supposed to sing while climbing a tree but he couldn't resist his trademark hand movement and fell off. His involvement was second to none!
:lol:

[Arjuna]

Another producer has tried to commit suicide and the CULPRIT is KAMAL!! I dont know how many producers are going to get affected by him..the list continues to grows..

[njv]

Ahemm... Arjuna read it again.

FYI they didnt ever start the movie. The suide attempt was because he dont have enough to start the movie.

VV is basically a first print basis. KM will give KH 5 CR when KH complete the movie and give the first print. Rest of them are upto KM. KH is waiting to start the movie cuz he need to trim down.

Anyways internal sources say that some other producer might jump in for VV, which is not going to happen soon, cuz KH is going to work on his home production followed by a movie with MR. So VV is not for another year to year and half.

[Arjuna]

njv ->it feels sad when producers commit suicide..these heroes earns crores and crores - y cant they cut their salaries!! I think even SRK takes little money compared to our tamil heroes!!

Btw, when SAIF can win a NA for Hum Tum, y the hell they didnt give a NA to Nagesh who in my opinion is the greatest actor of all time!! He shuld have got a NA for server sundram, if Saif can get for that stupid Hum Tum!!

[Movies]

Arjuna I agree man!

Kamal is such a mess. all he cares in his movies is to kiss the heroine onscreen and lay her off screen!

Poor producer, suh a nice producer, with lots of hit movies!

Remember when kalai puli thaanu wrote on kumudham about how kamal ripped him!

[Cinefan]

Arjuna I agree man!

Kamal is such a mess. all he cares in his movies is to kiss the heroine onscreen and lay her off screen!

Poor producer, suh a nice producer, with lots of hit movies!

Remember when kalai puli thaanu wrote on kumudham about how kamal ripped him!

Why don't you start a seperate thread for Kamal bashing where you can list out the names of the women he has supposedly laid (with proofs,if you have any)instead of coming up with the same comments everywhere.It's SICK.

"Poor producer":Have you read the details in all the websites or atleast cared to read njv's comment?Obviously No,otherwise you would have known that Kamal has got nothing to do with it.

[Cinefan]

http://thatstamil.indiainfo.com/specials/cinema/heroes/kamal.html

Movies,pls read this article before you continue your tirade on Kamal.

[interz]

please discuss music in here. there is separate forum for tamil films.

[Sanjeevi]

I wish VS

[balaji]

YSR missed the award?

Who could be that Singer? Any guess?

http://www.telugucinema.com/c/movies/yuvanshankarraja_july1805.php

Bala

[vijayr]

I am glad that YSR missed it. Kudos to whoever that singer is :-)

[Shankar]

Vijyar,
I'm not sure why you are glad ysr missed out...But Swarabhishekam is definitely not a national award winning effort...VS should've got it for Anbe Sivam..not for this piece of crap.

[NagaS]

Swarnabishekam was good, But I was also hoping YSR to be in top five contenders for last year's best music awards, because I seriously felt his 7GRV was award material :)

Anyway, therre is no doubt that VS deserves such awards, Congrats :)

BTW, Will he be the MD for rajni's next movie as well ? ;)

NagaS

[MADDY]

i dunt think quality matters that much in awards here......they are more concerned abt influences,popularity etc....but having said that IR has won thrice and ARR has won 4 times, so they cannot be wrong also everytime.........

[Shankar]

maddy,
It should've been more(at least some 10-12 both of them put together)...I can't imagine how Raja didn't get one for Hey Ram and Kamal for VirumANdi, when choker bali won it...unbelievable.

[sanbal]

This week Junior vikatan chitra says, all the credit goes to Illaiyaraja for her awards.

[njv]

maddy,
It should've been more(at least some 10-12 both of them put together)...I can't imagine how Raja didn't get one for Hey Ram and Kamal for VirumANdi, when choker bali won it...unbelievable.
Raja for HeyRam, you must be kidding. HeyRam is way beyond what Indian movie can take it, so it is dis-qualified for over qualification. I watched Guru yesterday, just because everyone said the songs are great. To me Guru is another HeyRam. I envy mallus for now they have IR for some of their greatest movies. IR is "beyond such garbage".

[njv]

In a way its good to see IR and ARR didnt win award this year, because it would be a shame on them to get award when Saif is getting award for best actor.

[vijayr]

Shankar, VS deserves it much more than YSR, if not for Swarabishegham then for his past efforts in TFM. YSR, IMO, has long ways to go before he even deserves the local TN state award. For instance, Kaadhal- both the songs and BGM was better than 7GRC. Its also a shame that the movie didnt even get nominated. It got released at the end of 2004. I dont know if they are considering it for 2005 awards.

BTW,Iam also glad that Bharadwaj didnt win any NA for Autograph.

[Neel D]

A "singer" lobbying for Vidyasagar....
That explains at least one other award.

[vijayr]

NeelD, read the news again carefully. The singer didnt lobby for VS but some other MD. In the end neither of the lobbyists succeeded(neither YSR for 7GRC nor the other MD whoever it was) but VS won apparently without any lobbying.

[vijayr]

Now I wonder who lobbied for Bhavatharini :-)

[Neel D]

vijayr,
Thanks. I spoke too soon. I take it back.

[MADDY]

and wat the heck was director vasanth doing there???? eating uralakalangu bondas of Delhi??? :D

i think u guys have to credit vasanth for all the awards that tamil got this year.....in the sense he had atleast brought it out to the panel......

i still cannot stop thanking Balu Mahendra for providing ARR with an award in 1992......yaar sonna tamilians ellam yettappan parambarainnu??? :D .....

[aruvi]

Sanbal,
Is that a full length interview on JV?

[NagaS]

Kadhal was better than 7GRC ? In what way vijayr ? IMO, Kadhal was an average album with one good song and another 'above average' song - both had shades of old songs with no originality whatsoever !

Anyway, opinions differ and this is mine :)

NagaS

[Shankar]

vijayr,
>>For instance, Kaadhal- both the songs and BGM was better than 7GRC.<<

Surprised to see *you* posting such comments ! The songs were average..Musically, no great shakes...decent tunes that's about it.
7GRC's "ninaithu, ninaithu" is better than *any* song from kAdhal... The BG Score of kAdhal again was just about adequate (do you remember any portions where the score was good), while 7G had a good 5-6 pieces worth mentioning (the choral chant & the early morning sequence to mention a few...Pls listen to the OST of 7G).

yeah...before i forget...all these are IMHO :-)

[Cinefan]

vijayr,I am with Naga&Shankar on this,Kadal was a below avg album.Not a single song or BGM moments have stayed with me.

I know you don't think very highly about YSR which is Ok but to boost up a very avg MD(Joshua) is just not right.

[Jacky]

7grc was better than Kadhal but certainly not a national award winning album.
The theme was recycled from his dad, one was a modified ARR song (Kan pesum), and another sprinkled with MJ's they don't care about us (vayathukku vanthom). It would've been a double whammy after saif winning the award. But when Anu malik can win a NA - YSR, DS.Prasad, and HJ can dream about winning one sometime in their career.

[Shankar]

vijayr,
>>VS deserves it much more than YSR, if not for Swarabishegham then for his past efforts in TFM. <<

We are not talking about lifetime achievement awards...He shud've got it for Anbe Sivam ( the title song and some BG scores were awesome) and there are some good mallu movies which were worthy of a NA...Not swarabishekam.

These results don't surprise me....1997 when Guru was released, it was hamsalekha who won the NA for the best score :-)

That very day, I lost the respect i had for NAs.

[Shankar]

It seems, bharadwaj is disappointed for missing the NA by a "whisker" (!)...Now, if Autograph was a contender & missed it by a whisker, then the jury did seem to have made a wise decision...

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/15762.html

[MADDY]

i dunno y u guys r so patriotic abt IR's sons also???? 7GRC was also a very average album........compare it with this years - Swades/Bose or compare it with yesteryears -Hey ram/Bharathi.....u think it compares to these movies which missed NA???i dunt think so.....

[njv]

MADDY

I completely agree. 7G doesnt deserve any award at all. The songs are copied (totally) from other albums. Also the so called BGM is also lifted. YSR has LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go before getting NA.

Interestingly I watched 16th December and music by KR. Very interesting. I think IR must have helped him. Check it out!

[NagaS]

i dunno y u guys r so patriotic abt IR's sons also???? 7GRC was also a very average album........compare it with this years - Swades/Bose or compare it with yesteryears -Hey ram/Bharathi.....u think it compares to these movies which missed NA???i dunt think so.....

Do you think somebody can compose swades / bharathi kind of score for a movie like 7GRC ? Why don't we just compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges ?

If you are thinking only serious movies (music) deserve national award, Can you explain ARR getting it for Minsara Kanavu ? (I am not saying his work was inferior in this movie, But It was not a serious movie, like his other award winning roja / kannathil muththamittaal, isn't it ? thats my argument)

NagaS

[MADDY]

accepted Minsara kanavu did not deserve a NA esp that spoiled ARR's chances of winning award for dil se which got released next year only.........having said that 1998 was ARR's year with minsara kanavu and sapnay holdin to no.1 spot in countdowns for a very long time.......sapnay was in top3 in countdowns for the whole year...can u believe it???the jury could not go against the wave.....

well NagaS, wat i meant was if 7GRC deserved a award then Swades,Hey ram & Bose deserved them better.....that's it.....YSR is good but he is not the award material like IR...... :D

[Shankar]

maddy,
All i am saying is, if swarabishekam does *get* the award & Autograph missed it by a 'whisker', then 7G is definitely a good contender..Now, don't start another discussion on copying and people are again going to go ballistic with their lists...everyone has done it (do you want me to give the list of VS copies ?)

[Shankar]

njv,
Except the main theme (which had the love theme from Johnny), I didn't find any piece copied...Pls substantiate.

[Shankar]

njv,
KR helps ysr in BG Scores...KR doesn't have to get the help of Raja for his BG Scores...He himself is pretty good at BGS (songs are NOT his forte)...For a sample, pls listen to the chase scene in amaidhippadai (Ranjitha being chased by Satyaraj, Sr's goons)...A flute piece (played by Arunmozhi aka napoleon) which sounds like drums. Arunmozhi mentioned it in an interview.

Listen to the BG score Marudhanayagam trailor for KR's BGScores.

[MADDY]

okkk 7GRC is a gud album okkk vaa?? :D ...see i dunt mind accepting any MDs songs...that's wat ARR's music has taught me......

[MADDY]

and they r not copied......adhavum accept panraen..... :D

[sanbal]

I heard Autograph background is not by Bharathwaj

[Ravi_odiyur]

Sanbal, I think its by Sabesh-Murali (brothers of Deva). I remember seeing this in the film titles (Not sure if its for this movie or some other movie).

[app_engine]

You're right Ravi Odiyur...autograph BGM is by S-M as shown in the titles

[vijayr]

7GRC is an average album. Kan pesum vaarthai a rehash of kuchchi kichchi raakamma. Kaadal-theme was much better and I liked "unakena iruppen" and "thottu thottu" better than ANY song from 7GRC. Ninaithu ninaithu paarthen- a tired-sounding mid-80s IR melody rendered in Shreya's fresh voice.

The re-recording in Kaadhal was memorable at several places and seamlessly merged with the movie. I didnt even know the name of the MD and had to look it up after I saw the movie.
The few passable pieces in 7GRC's BGM must have been Karthik Raja helping his brother. Anyways, I doubt that BGM is taken into account when awards are choosen for best MD.

"We are not talking about lifetime achievement awards...He shud've got it for Anbe Sivam ( the title song and some BG scores were awesome) and there are some good mallu movies which were worthy of a NA...Not swarabishekam."

Shankar, either way he should have got it for some album or the other in the past and he didnt get it. So I dont have any problems with him getting it now. Thats what I meant. With YSR I am yet to find a single album, past or present, that deserves a NA. No sympathies for him.

If it is of any consolation to YSR fans, my opinion is that Bharadwaj should be terribly embarassed to even express disappointment that he didnt get an award for Autograph. 7GRC is better than Autograph in most ways.

[Music4Ever]

I think I mentioned this earlier too, that "kann pEsum vArthaigaL" is heavily inspired from "ennai kollai ittu pogira azhage vaa" from Jodi. This surprising find was presented to me by my better half, someone who was never into this sort of thing before! When 7GRC songs were popular, I was, naturally, singing this popular YSR number at home when out of the blue she said she has listened to my singing a similar song before. And then she presented the Jodi song!

Some of the KAdhal songs are indeed lovely. It also helped that the songs were part of a hit movie.

[aruvi]

True, no album has come out in Tamil the past year that deserves any recognition. To award YSR for 7G Rainbow Colony is as bad a joke as was awarding ARR for Minsara Kanavu.

[Jacky]

Award to Minasara Kanavu was no joke. In fact it was the best commercial music (also Thiruda Thiruda) a mainstream movie could get. Sometimes the juries are sensible!

[nkv]

Award for ARR for Minsarakkanavu was indeed a joke..
Common, there should be some musical excellence to give an award for Music. A hit tune, doesnt necessarily mean that they are of quality..

Roja surely deserved an award.. But albums like Minsarakkanavu got teh award just because of senseless juries..

That means that the great Sankarabharanam, Sagarasangamam, Sindhu Bhairavi etc are of the same standard of Minsarakkanavu

[Shankar]

Award for ARR for Minsarakkanavu was indeed a joke..
Common, there should be some musical excellence to give an award for Music. A hit tune, doesnt necessarily mean that they are of quality..

Roja surely deserved an award.. But albums like Minsarakkanavu got teh award just because of senseless juries..

That means that the great Sankarabharanam, Sagarasangamam, Sindhu Bhairavi etc are of the same standard of Minsarakkanavu

It doesn't mean that... In a given year whichever movie is the best gets the award...You cannot compare songs from two eras and say this is better than that, etc...They don't have to be in the same standard...My only grouse is, in the same year a lesser movie gets the award...and it has been happening consistently.

[Ravi_odiyur]

nkv, I feel this comparison is like (as NagaS put it) comparing apples with oranges. Why are we stuck with the conventional view that only sober, classic-based, melodious, soft music is award material? Is not fast beat, folk, fusion and the like worthy for an award? I think most of us feel that Minsarakanavu is not worth an award because of the kind of music it had - fast and peppy.

I was in a way happy with the awards that year. They broke the conventional norms. Even Chithra's and SPB's songs were not the usual award-winning kinds but I would say still they were worth an award for the style of rendition.

Before we critize the award panel, let us first leap out of the 'conventional' mind-sets saying only such and such kinds are award-worthy. How many of us would be open-minded to accept a comedian or a villian for a 'Best Actor' national award?? Why? Are these kinds not part of acting? Give it a thought!

[njv]

njv,
KR helps ysr in BG Scores...KR doesn't have to get the help of Raja for his BG Scores...He himself is pretty good at BGS (songs are NOT his forte)...For a sample, pls listen to the chase scene in amaidhippadai (Ranjitha being chased by Satyaraj, Sr's goons)...A flute piece (played by Arunmozhi aka napoleon) which sounds like drums. Arunmozhi mentioned it in an interview.

Listen to the BG score Marudhanayagam trailor for KR's BGScores.

Where can I look at Maruthanayagam trailer.

Look at the info that came back in 98.

http://www.dinakaran.com/cinema/english/gossip/06-10-98/kamal.htm

There is no way Kamal would go for KR for such historical projects.

[vijayr]

KR did about 8 reels of Siraichaalai's BGM as well. He could have composed just for Marudhanayagam's trailer/promo.

[Shankar]

njv,
I never mentioned KR was the MD for marudanayagam....He wrote the score for the trailor, and a friend of mine heard it from KR himself..

[prabhudas]

Interesting discussions (atleast few weeks earlier).
Congrats to VS, I haven't listened to"swarabhishekam" songs, despite mixed opinions from other Dfers here on this album, I feel he was a better choice compared to YSR, he definitely deserved for "Anbe Sivam" ( had good BGM also).

YSR's 7GRC was just above average , I couldn't sit thro' watching the movie beyond 30 minutes ( so I don't know how good was the BGM), his "kaadhal konden" ( though few songs were lifts, yet BG score was one of best ) was better than 7GRC ,

as per Indian national awards regulations/eligibility etc ( see link http://mib.nic.in/dff/51nfawardregul.htm) Best MD award is supposed to be for best music direction ( which includes songs and BG score), but looks like the jury ever even cocentrate on BG score, (IR should have won many many awards if the jury members went by those regulations is another point.)

YSR has a long way to get there especially with the kind of music he produces ( despite giving chart busters and commercially successful music in the last 2 -3 years), KR ( a more talented MD who is not as hardworking as his dad or his brother I think) may win a NA earlier if he concentrates more on songs ( Kudaikkul mazhai had exceptional BG score, and most of the YSR movies whereever he took care of BGM)
Comparision of "7GRC" with "Kaadhal", "kaadhal" had few good songs and definitely a very good BG score, considering Sridhar Joshua's maiden effort , personally " kaadhal" had some original music, as opposed to YSR 's rehashed songs and inspired BG score in " 7gRc", movie itself was way better than the stupid 7GRC ( splendid performance by every small or big characters in Kadhal)

Somebody mentioned about " hamsalekha" winning NA in 1997, it was probably either 1995 or 1996, and definitely deserved for the movie "Gaanayogi Panchakshari Gawayi", he belongs to the league of VS with heavy influence of IR in his early years
It was interesting reading "App_engine"'s comparision of Kamal and Rajini in "Nayakan and Dhalapathi" and vice versa, but Rajini in "Nayagan" I just can't imagine, especially "saranya-kamal" initial intro sequences, ( Rajini failed miserably in Dhalapathi with those Bhanupriya related sequences, IR was the big savviour in most of the places wherever Rajini was average) " Kamal-Karthika" sequences and definitely in "later year Velunayakkar" in Prison etc ( despite Rajini doing some excellent portrayals like the senior Rajini in Muthu etc)
Rajini is talented no doubt, but he is not versatile, and definitely misses the naunces and subtelities in enacting certain characters unlike Kamal and perhaps no one in entire Indian cinema has this extra ordinary talent of Kamal except probably"Naseeruddin shah" (IMHO) not even Mohanlal, Mammotti and others despite being great actors.
The only MR movie I have watched only once is "Dhalapathi" (being an ardent fan of MR) right when the movie was released I felt it was just an extended version of "nayagan" layered over friendship etc even box office vise probably it was not the greatest hit of Rajini despite being MR-IR-RK combo ( If I am not wrong, another crap of Rajini "manidhan" did better than this I think)
Rajini at best be compared to BigB for his screen presence definitely never comparable to Kamal IMO.

Prabhudas

[united07]

Prabhudas...
i really got to admit on the part where you said that Naseerudin Shah is the next versatile actor to Kamal!...

too good to deny it...

[app_engine]

http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=200663&disdate=8/2/2005

Kunnakkudi given `karnAtaka isai gnAni' title:-) PB Srinivas also called `isai gnAni' and there is an unnecessary story about a Raja who didn't know anything about sangeetham....

JJ'kku IR mEl enna ivvaLavu kAttam?

[NormalMan]

Looks like Preeti Sagar was the singer .....

Feature Film Jury

Chairperson - Shri Sudhir Mishra

Members

Ms. Preeti Sagar
Ms. Vani Shree
Ms. Shatabdi Roy
Shri L Vaidyanathan
Shri Sandeep Sawant
Shri Subhadro Chaudhury
Shri Chandi Mukherjee
Shri Sharad Dutt
Shri Bhajan Sopori
Shri T.S. Nagabharna
Shri Nagesh kukunoor
Shri Ranjeet Das
Shri N Sanjeev
Shri M Mohan
Shri Vinod Ganatra
Shri Vasantha SMA

[rajdes]

Who among these jury members is the singer who is supposed to have scuttled YSR's chances?
Initially, I thought it could be SPB, who might have influenced the award for his aaptha mithrudu K.Vishwanath's movie. But he is not even in this list :-)
That aside, SPB had an absolute stunner "Okka Kshanam" in Swarabhishekam - he should have got the NA in place of Udit. ( I thought may be SPB was in jury so he couldnt have got it but now it seems really unjust)


Personally, Swarabhishekam was not earth-shaking - except that it was semi-semi-classical(surely, if Shankarabharanam is semi-classical, Swarabhishekam cant be - my first impression of the album was "IS this really VS, it could easily have been one of MMKeeravani's "keep-to-the-middle-scale" efforts?").
Swarabhishekam is too light to be called Semi-classical and in that genre, it isn't earth-shaking - even in Telugu, there was Anand, a better movie with better songs(though lousy BGM). Considering that Autograph missed narrowly, I would say Anand could have won hands down for sheer quality of music.

Looks like Nagesh Kukunoor might have scuttled Anand's chances both for Best Telugu Movie and music because the director of Anand, Sekhar Kammula has taken over the "king among small film-makers from hyderabad" :-)

[app_engine]

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2006/01/27/stories/2006012702320300.htm
Interesting article...