Do's and Dont's of History & Culture Section

[NOV]

As all of you are aware, History & Culture Section was started in the new Hub on a trial basis and we promised that whether it will continue or not depended entirely on the Hubbers.

Unfortunately, it became a free-for-all with name calling and bashing started to rear its ugly head again, thus the temporary disabling of this section.

We would like to reiterate that the precise reason of a discussion board is to examine different point of views and we will not stop anyone from putting forth their opinion, with basis and in a respectful manner.

However, certain points need to be reiterated clearly, with the reopening of this section:

1. Discussions on religion is definitely out. No more "one form is superior to another" or "one culture preceding all others," etc.
Please, no more of mother-of-all-religions or only-way-to-salvation discussions.

2. All forms of references to castes will not be tolerated and will be deleted, without ado.

3. Discussions on Aryan invasion theory including Dravidianism, are also out.

4. All languages are important and contribute to human progress. So no more language superiority issues either. Academic discussions are acceptable, provided they are not taken too far to the personal level and disparaging comments made.

To maintain a clean forum, we reserve the right to delete any postings or threads that run in contrary to these requirements. Besides the above, new regulations may be added as and when the need arises.

For the moment we have disabled the opening of new threads, until such a time, when we get comfortable with the knd of discussions carried on in the current threads.
However, if there is any subject that you wish to discuss, you may state in this thread.

As mentioned earlier, this Indian History and Culture Section is being opened on a trial basis and whether it is continued or not, will depend on how clean, discussions are being held. So the future of this section is really in your hands now.

Please help us in keeping The Hub a good place for mature and intelligent discussions.

[srivatsanvr]

I strongly feel that the reaons for failure of Aryan Invasion theory shd be discussed. This is for the interest of the Nation's future! The more we fear consequences, the more, we are doomed.

If the Moderator, still feels that Aryan Invasion theory shd not be discussed,in Hisotry and Culture, by abiding the rules of the hub, I walk off!

[NOV]

Thanks for dropping by srivatsanvr.

Good bye.

[Shakthiprabha.]

Discussions on religion is definitely out. No more "one form is superior to another" or "one culture preceding all others," etc.
Please, no more of mother-of-all-religions or only-way-to-salvation discussions.

Then where do we discuss these things?

:(

Rather than NOT DISCUSSING, it shall be interesting if POINTS ARE JUST PUT ACROSS, WITHOUT putting another RELIGION DOWN?

Discussions should be friendly, NOT TAKEN PERSONALLY OR HURTING anybody.

Everybody is entitled for their opinions!

Discussions leads to sharing of thoughts.
Sharing would make is learn more

:?

[NOV]

SP, we have always allowed academic discussions on religion. It is one upmanship that is disallowed.

[nemesis786]

Then why is this hubber called "Rohit" being allowed to post anti-Hindu remarks in a more encapsulated way? Hope you take your words into action too :)

he is just detracting believers with his criticisms! One can call it constructive criticism but isnt it the rule of the hub not to ridicule the principle of any religion? :roll:


PS : Can i start a thread for values n teachings of ISLAM without offending any religion?

[thamiz]

Then why is this hubber called "Rohit" being allowed to post anti-Hindu remarks in a more encapsulated way? Hope you take your words into action too :)

He is trying to see the truth.


he is just detracting believers with his criticisms!

Nobody asked to believe him. You can counter him and make his arguments are "worthless"!


One can call it constructive criticism

There you go!

[goodsense]

why is this hubber called "Rohit" being allowed to post anti-Hindu remarks in a more encapsulated way?

While he promotes Buddhism, he seems comfortable with Hindus changing to Christianity. I don't understand it. :roll: I noticed his inconcistency many times. At times I think he has extreme disregard for Hinduism, but I recall along time back, he said if he had to agree with religion, it would be hinduism.

At the same time, as can be seen from many of his post like in the "why religion" thread, he is a non-believer of GOD or God's existence. Any one who claimed differently, was trashed in one way or the other. :oops: May be he needs to understand that the devoted do have revelations and this can be found in any religion.

http://www.panoramatv.ca/panorama/panorama.php?video=060%20Pravachan%20-%20Pt.%20Jairam%20%28part%201%29%20%28Apr%2014%29/video.wmv

The other day he challenge me about offering the best to GOD in hinduism, when God should own everything, but christianity claims the same; to give/offer the best/most treasured - in some cases the first born (when god himself/herself is the creator).

Some people agree with everything he says. Beats me.

[goodsense]

May be it wasn't clear to me until now why someone referred to Rohit as a "beggar". Looking at my last post in this thread, it only remind me of a beggar man in Toronto. He is always seen on the trains. It unusual to see the same person more than once in such a big city, but he was always at some public functions. Today he would declare he is a Christian, tomorrow a Hindu and so on and he enjoys everything with everyone in these places. He is everyone's friend.

I was surprised after being away from the city for so many years, I caught sight of the man many times in town since my return. Now he looks alot shiner and stable. I am sure people found him out (may have taken a long time in such a big city) and may be he is not in the trade as much as he used to.

In society we have all kinds to accommodate.

I hope Rohit doesn't get upset, but I find this analogy very funny. :lol:

[Rohit]

[tscii:ef4c0a9c8d]
Then why is this hubber called "Rohit" being allowed to post anti-Hindu remarks in a more encapsulated way?
I do not pass any comment or remark on anything unless I have thoroughly investigated and analysed the matter myself and have found sufficient and conclusive evidences to support them.


he is just detracting believers with his criticisms!
No one can detract anyone with any amount of criticism unless the holders of a belief are clearly shown the sheer inadequacy and fallacy of the belief they hold.

I have no intention whatsoever to hurt anyone’s emotional feelings. I am only uncovering the Truth; the real Truth, which is more likely to taste bitter to many of you and consequently may give rise to some extremely unpleasant experiences of severe dissonance. I am really sorry if that is the case.


While he promotes Buddhism
I am not here to promote Buddhism. Whoever thinks or says that, are the ones who themselves have invoked Buddha or Buddhism in order to draw some fallacious support to their baseless arguments. I did not bring Buddhism into arguments unless it was already being used; which obliged me to argue against them in order to preserve the authenticity of Buddhism, which I have now satisfactorily achieved; and gladly, everyone now clearly knows that.


he said if he had to agree with religion, it would be hinduism.
This is a blatant lie, a dissonance-ridden fabrication of shameless lie.

I have no reason whatsoever to say such thing. Period


Some people agree with everything he says.
Not only some people, but people like you also agree with what I say. The only difference is, unlike others, people like you are not ready to admit it openly; instead they try to find some solace by superimposing their dissonance-ridden mental turmoil upon some fictitious characters, which in fact, makes their conditions even more obvious and pitiable.

:D :) :thumbsup:[/tscii:ef4c0a9c8d]

[goodsense]

[tscii:29049d110a]
This is a blatant lie, a dissonance-ridden fabrication of shameless lie.

Really? Better watch your abusive and manipulative language sir! May of us have been very patient with you. Don't know for how long more. I pay very close attention to details and remember them for a long time too. This is why, when you indicated for a very short time in your avatar that you are from UK, I took note while many still wants to know your location. Also when many thought you are from Tibet or somewhere there, I was able to say India.


Not only some people, but people like you also agree with what I say. The only difference is, unlike others, people like you are not ready to admit it openly; instead they try to find some solace in superimposing their dissonance-ridden mental turmoil upon some fictitious characters, which in fact, makes their conditions even more obvious and pitiable.

Where did you get that; that other have openly admitted and agreed with you and where did you get the inkling that I have agreed with you? Few here welcome you because of a few other principles that probably suite their needs (not that I am agreeing or disagreeing with this, but why pull a curtain to everyhting else that is obviously wrong as acknowledged by many) and they sadly suck up to everything else. If there is any difference, may be that is what it is. And may be your own statement (This is a blatant lie, a dissonance-ridden fabrication of shameless lie.) applies to you. I DON'T LIE and not like this. This is one of the reasons I am held as an HONOURABLE person in many high places and by many high persons. Not many can say the same.

My character and beliefs haven't changed since childhood, so I don't know what you mean by saying I am one of them who agreed with you, yet don't want to admit it publicly when there is sufficient information here and elsewhere that suggest otherwise.

You are the dishonest one here or seems to be. I have had PMs from other hubbers complaining about your dishonesty, one of the reasons they gave up responding to your posts.

You are a sad case; ready to "personally" attack anyone (whether or not they cross your path) who disagrees with you directly or indirectly, enough to dismiss you from the hub and a long time ago. I am also beginning to question why the mods haven’t acted as yet. As many of us tried to say, all you were flaunting or contributing, is a high level of academic knowledge that seemed so misused and disjointed (which you desperately try to fudge to convince people) and in such a way that it makes no sense nor could it be appreciated, respected or tolerated any longer. Having knowledge is one thing, how it’s used is another. You think you are everything in this hub, over and above most, if not all of us here or superior to most of us. We let you tramp and wipe your feet on us for as long as you wanted. You have been fooling yourself. You are not just here to discuss, but come across as someone who wants to force dumplings down peoples' throats before they can consider whether or not there is any nourishment in them - worse than the old brutal Christians. This is one thing we Hindus never had to do because we feel nourished enough and those who don't should voluntarily seek nourishment elsewhere once they are well informed without feeling like dumplings are being forced down their throats.

Not once have I seen you trying to understand or appreciate another's view. What does that say? Then you use the thumb sign to indicate no one is above that. Who the hell are you? The greatest teachers are those who impart on their students in such a humble manner that the student finds it difficult not to listen and the teacher in turn, seeks feebacks eagerly and appreciatingly from the students, before moving forward. And even when the student still fails to listen, the teacher never start throwing stones, but silently issue a judgment by way of a mark - pass or fail or comment to these effect. Have we been seeing this here? Why not? Mind you, a teacher here, is someone with wider knowledge on the topic, not "only" a section selected "only" by the teacher.

The end has come at least for me. Try to learn some simple manners and modesty and take some training in developing your Human Relations Skills. You have to resort to being abusive and manipulative because you are lacking. Many have rebutted you on the subject(s) in question, and I was amongst the first set to do so, then came another and another and….. Do your re-thinking.

I have now lost all respect for you. :evil:

GOOD BYE. :wink: [/tscii:29049d110a]

[goodsense]

instead they try to find some solace by superimposing their dissonance-ridden mental turmoil upon some fictitious characters, which in fact, makes their conditions even more obvious and pitiable.

Any one who needs to verify this statement, may wish to contact Pandit Jairam himself directly and ask how long he knows me and how many Poojas he did for me in Canada, long before I dreamt of going to UK.

I know many of you know my right and full name. This Pandit knew when I was going abroad and what I was going to study. So he would quckly remember me. He did the last pooja just before I left. He always ask relatives for me, so there is no way he would now not remember when any one ask questions about me.

http://www.panoramatv.ca/panorama/panorama.php?video=060%20Pravachan%20-%20Pt.%20Jairam%20%28part%201%29%20%28Apr%2014%29/video.wmv

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[Rohit]

[tscii:009b53cc07]
This is a blatant lie, a dissonance-ridden fabrication of shameless lie.

Really? Better watch your abusive and manipulative language sir! May of us have been very patient with you. Don't know for how long more. I pay very close attention to details and remember them for a long time too. This is why, when you indicated for a very short time in your avatar that you are from UK, I took note while many still wants to know your location. Also when many thought you are from Tibet or somewhere there, I was able to say India.


Not only some people, but people like you also agree with what I say. The only difference is, unlike others, people like you are not ready to admit it openly; instead they try to find some solace in superimposing their dissonance-ridden mental turmoil upon some fictitious characters, which in fact, makes their conditions even more obvious and pitiable.

Where did you get that; that other have openly admitted and agreed with you and where did you get the inkling that I have agreed with you? Few here welcome you because of a few other principles that probably suite their needs (not that I am agreeing or disagreeing with this, but why pull a curtain to everyhting else that is obviously wrong as acknowledged by many) and they sadly suck up to everything else. If there is any difference, may be that is what it is. And may be your own statement (This is a blatant lie, a dissonance-ridden fabrication of shameless lie.) applies to you. I DON'T LIE and not like this. This is one of the reasons I am held as an HONOURABLE person in many high places and by many high persons. Not many can say the same.

My character and beliefs haven't changed since childhood, so I don't know what you mean by saying I am one of them who agreed with you, yet don't want to admit it publicly when there is sufficient information here and elsewhere that suggest otherwise.

You are the dishonest one here or seems to be. I have had PMs from other hubbers complaining about your dishonesty, one of the reasons they gave up responding to your posts.

You are a sad case; ready to "personally" attack anyone (whether or not they cross your path) who disagrees with you directly or indirectly, enough to dismiss you from the hub and a long time ago. I am also beginning to question why the mods haven’t acted as yet. As many of us tried to say, all you were flaunting or contributing, is a high level of academic knowledge that seemed so misused and disjointed (which you desperately try to fudge to convince people) and in such a way that it makes no sense nor could it be appreciated, respected or tolerated any longer. Having knowledge is one thing, how it’s used is another. You think you are everything in this hub, over and above most, if not all of us here or superior to most of us. We let you tramp and wipe your feet on us for as long as you wanted. You have been fooling yourself. You are not just here to discuss, but come across as someone who wants to force dumplings down peoples' throats before they can consider whether or not there is any nourishment in them - worse than the old brutal Christians. This is one thing we Hindus never had to do because we feel nourished enough and those who don't should voluntarily seek nourishment elsewhere once they are well informed without feeling like dumplings are being forced down their throats.

Not once have I seen you trying to understand or appreciate another's view. What does that say? Then you use the thumb sign to indicate no one is above that. Who the hell are you? The greatest teachers are those who impart on their students in such a humble manner that the student finds it difficult not to listen and the teacher in turn, seeks feebacks eagerly and appreciatingly from the students, before moving forward. And even when the student still fails to listen, the teacher never start throwing stones, but silently issue a judgment by way of a mark - pass or fail or comment to these effect. Have we been seeing this here? Why not? Mind you, a teacher here, is someone with wider knowledge on the topic, not "only" a section selected "only" by the teacher.

The end has come at least for me. Try to learn some simple manners and modesty and take some training in developing your Human Relations Skills. You have to resort to being abusive and manipulative because you are lacking. Many have rebutted you on the subject(s) in question, and I was amongst the first set to do so, then came another and another and….. Do your re-thinking.

I have now lost all respect for you. :evil:

GOOD BYE. :wink: [/tscii:009b53cc07]

What a pity! Looks like someone has gone completely :x once again.

Well, all these dissonance-ridden posts clearly show the mental turmoil the poster of the above quoted post is currently undergoing.

I can only wish you quick recovery; and that's the best I can do to help you to help yourself. Till then; keep going as you wish.

Good luck!

:D :) :thumbsup: