Historians' TIMELINE of ancient Tamil Kings of Sangam works

[senthilkumaras]

As far as we have collected from sangam literature,
the Timeline of ancient Thamizhagam is as follows[years in bold are historically correlated well identified dates]

TO READ AS :[E]=EMPEROR OF HIS TIME;
FIRST NAME+-SURNAME ACCREDITED NAME : YEAR OF ACCESSION TO THRONE: CHANGE OF CAPITAL TO:
[E]kaai cina vazhuthi 9800 B.C.E.-THENMARUTHAM
nedumeen thizhigan
vael'meen kaavan
..........
kadungoan 5400 B.C.E.-KU'ADAM (ALAIVAAI)
ilanthirai vazhuthi 5370 B.C.E.
...........
vaandroarchezhiyan 3100 B.C.E.-KOR'KAI
mukkaavan vazhuthi 3020 B.C.E.
...........
[E]alaivaai agazhch chezhiyan 2845 B.C.E. -old remaining land of the partially submerged city of KU'ADAM,then an island
[E]thamizhi ,thizhigan 2800 B.C.E.
[E]nar'seyan vazhuthi 2750 B.C.E. -KOR'KAI because the remaining KU'ADAM too submerges,
porkaippandyan 2400 B.C.E.
ol'vaenmaruthan 2350 B.C.E. -MAN'AVOOR
...........
[E]yaazhthi kaavan 2300 B.C.E. -THIRUCHCHEERALAIVAAI
kaavan thizhigan 2275 B.C.E.
mudaththirumaar'an 1700 B.C.E.-MATHURAI
ilanambi maar'an 1665 B.C.E.
...........
[E]nediyoan, , vaimbalamba nindra,munneer vizhavin , perungalanediyoane 510 B.C.E.
thizhigan
chezhiyanvazhuthi
......
.
neduvazhuthi
[E]nambi, , pandyan arivudai 360 B.C.E.
paan'arvazhuthi
nedunjezhiyan
kochchezhiyanaval'an
perunjezhiyan
[E]poothappaan'diyan ollaiyur thandha poothappaan'dian 150 B.C.E. ....
....
[E]nambi nedunjezhiyan 76 B.C.E.
semmaaran 35 B.C.E.
nedunjezhiyan , aryapadaikadantha, 10 B.C.E.
[E]perumpaeyar vazhuthi ,karungai ol'vaall', 25 C.E.
nedunjezhiyan , cithiramadathu thunjiya 85
peruvazhuthi , velliambalathu thunjiya 110
nanvazhuthi , koodakarathu thunjiya 118
nanmaar'an , ilavanthigaipalli thunjiya 121
[E]nedunjezhiyan , thalaiyaalangaanaththu 125
cheru vendra pandyan
ukiraperuvazhuthi, kaanapaereyil erindha 165
[E]peruvazhuthi , palyaagasalai mudhukudumi 200 C.E.

CHOZHA KINGS
mudiko,mael,kaal'aiyam,thagaiyan 2750 B.C.E.-POOMPUGAAR
ilangokkeezhkaalaiyanthagaiyan 2730
[E]nedunjaetchozhathagaiyan ?2710
keezhnedumannan 2680
kaal'andhagan 2665
ilangeezhnannan ? 2645
[E]kaal'aiyangudingyan ?2630
nedungaal'andhagan 2615
vaengaineduvaelvaraiyan 2614-2615
vaetkaal'kudingyan 2600
il'avaelvaraiyan 2590
[E]sibi vendhi 2580 B.C.E.
[E]parunonjichaamazhingyan 2535
vaeqratrtrichembiyachozhan 2525
[E]saamazhichozhiyavael'aan 2515
uthivengaalaithagan 2495
nannanthatkaal'aithagan 2475
velvaenmin'di 2445
nedunjembiyan 2415
[E]nedunonji vendhi 2375
[E]vaelpaqratrtri 2330
perunthoan'nonji 2315
kudikopungi 2275
perungoeppoguvan 2250
koeththatrtri 2195
[E]vadisembiyan 2160
[E]aal'ampoguvan 2110
nedunjembiyan 2085
perumpaeyarpoguvan 2056
kadunjembiyan 2033
[E]nedunkathan 2015
[E]parunakkan 1960
van'isembiyan 1927
udhachir'amondhuvan 1902
perunkaththan 1875
[E]kadunkandhal'an 1860
nakkamonjuvan 1799
maar'kovaelmondhuvan 1785
ven'kaandhal'an 1753
perunakkan thatrtri 1723
vaerkaththan 1703
[E]ambalaththu irumundruvan 1682
kaarimondhuvan 1640
ven'nakkan thatrtri 1615
vaqroat cembiyan 1590
[E]maar'kochunthuvan 1565
[E]vaerparunthoan'mundruvan 1520
[E]udhankaththan 1455
[E]kaarikosunthuvan 1440
vendrinungun'an 1396
mondhuvan vendhi 1376
kaandhaman 1359
mundruvan vendhi 1337
kaandhaman 1297
monjuvan vendhi 1276
an'isembiyan 1259
nungun'an vendhi 1245
maar'kopperum cenni 1229
monjuvan nanvendhi 1180
[E]kopperunarchenni 1170
monthuvanjembiyan 1145
narchenni 1105
caetchembiyan 1095
nakkarchenni 1060
[E]parunjembiyan c.1045
venjenni 998
musugunthan 989
maar'kopperunjembiyan 960
nedunjenni c.935
thatchembiyan 915
ambalaththuiruvaerchembiyan 895
kaarikochenni 865
venvaerchenni 830
[E]kaandhaman , 788
perunjenni
kaandhal'an 721caetchenni 698
van'inungun'an 680
mudhusembiyan vendhi 640
peelanjembiyachchozhiyan 615
maeyangadungo 590
[E]thiththan 570 -UR'AIYUR
perunarkilli porvaiko 515
kadumundruvan 496
nedunjembiyan 495
nakkanaranjozhan 480
thevvangochozhan 465
naranjembiyan 455
[E]nakkampeelaval'avan 440
iniyanthevvanjenni 410
var'cembiyan 395
kopperunjozhan 386
narkilli mudiththalai 345
ambalathuirungochchenni 330
perunarkilli 316
kochaet cenni 286
[E]ilanjaetcenni cerupazhi erinda, 275
pamuloor erindha
neithalangaanal
nedungopperunkilli 220
[E]cenni ellagan (elder brother of Ellaalan who conquered Srilanka;) 205-POOMPUGAAR
perungilli 165
[E]kopperunjozhiyavil'anjaetcenni 140
perunarkilli mudiththalaiko 120-UR'AIYUR
ilamperunjenni 100
perungilli vendhi 70
nalangilli caet cenni , ilavanthigaipalli thunjiya 45
vaenalangilli 15 B.C.E.
ilanjaetcenni , uruvapakraer 10-16 C.E.
[E]peruval'aththaan , karikaalan 31-POOMPUGAAR
perunarkilli , vaerpaqradakkai 99
perunthirumaval'avan ,kuraapalli thunjiya 99
nalangilli 111
[E]perunarkilli , kulamutrtraththu thunjiya 120
perunarkilli , irasasuyavaetta 143-URAIYUR
vaelkadunkilli 192
kochengan'aan 220

CERA KINGS

[E]maavalicheran c.1150 B.C.E.-NAR'AVU
[E]parasuramaraadan c.1050 B.C.E.
[E]uthiyan cerlaadhan , perunjoatrtru c.900 B.C.E.
.........
[E]nedunjeraladan , imayavaramban 680
......
[E]ceral irumborai , naarmudi 300-VANJI(in his later years)
.....
[E]anthuvanjeral irumborai 130
perunjeralirumborai , ol'vaall' 100 B.C.E.
....
[E]kuttuvankoadhai 45 B.C.E.
kudakko ilanjeraladan 10 C.E.
perunjeraladan 40
kudako nedunjeraladan 99
[E]cenguttuvan , kadal pir'akkoattiya
vaelkezhu 99
selvakadungo , vaazhiyaadhaan 120
paalai paadiya
sikkarpalli thunjiya
[E]perungadungo , vaazhiyaadhaan 137
thagadoor erindha
marutham paadiya
maariven'ko 165
irumborai , kanaikkaal 198
CERA KINGS FROM THON'DI
kodhai maarban 120-THON'DI
maaandharanjeral 124
irumborai
maakkoadhai , kottambalathuth thunjiya 143 C.E.
[sources: Delineated timeline of ancient civilizations, Gerald Hugo & Lesley Wells,1974 with incomplete Pandyan line and Cera kinglines, Nakkeerar's Timeline of Tamizh Koodal Academies and Sumerian kinglist of Ur and Uruk.]

Most historians accept the timeline (historical dates) given in the ancient works like Mahavamso , Vedas,Chinese texts, Roman scripts and Greek texts and epics , eventhough they all are mixed with mythological and imaginary stories of their respective civilizations;
but how is that they do not look into the truth and narration of historical events without any adulteration of mythology in the ancient Tamilzh works like Puram,Agam,etc.
Is it because of the ignorance and inefectiveness of our Tamizh scholars are lack of documentation of such historical dates of events from our Sangam works due to carelessness or lazyness.
Kindly friends, put on your valuable thoughts.
thankyou;

[senthilkumaras]

timelines mean historical dates of important events decided mostly on the basis of archaeology and literatures and recorded texts:
for example,
Vedas claim the aryan civilization existed for 400,000 years having the long epoches divided into YUGAS.[archaelogical evidence-date only from 1500 B.C.E...]
The Chinese have recorded texts of important historical events of their country which elaborate their timeline of kingdoms from 3000 B.C.E.;[archaelogical evidence-date only from 2000 B.C.E...]
similarly the Sumerianshave recorded texts of history from 2600 B.C.E.;[archaelogical evidence-date only from 2600 B.C.E...]
Romans have timeline from their literary works dating from 750 B.C.E.;
Greeks have texts claiming history from beyond 2900 B.C.E.;[archaelogical evidence-date only from 1700 B.C.E...]
even the SriLankan literature texts claim their history from 500 B.C.E.;[archaelogical evidence-date only from 100 B.C.E...]
WHY DON'T WE CLAIM OUR TAMIZH HISTORY DATES FROM OUR SANGAM WORKS MUCH and WHY DO THE OTHER HISTORIANS DONOT ACCEPT ALSO OUR ANCIENT LITERATURES AS SOURCES OF HISTORICAL DATELINES as the Sangam works are full of such recorded dates of ancient historicxal events,
eg. Till now the International historians accept the earliest Tamizh literature date as 200 B.C.E. to 200 A.D only;and historyline date from 500 B.C.E. only;while even the archaelogical evidence-date from 4000 B.C.E.(from the excavations of Porunai valley....] while
.Puranaanoorru shows poems written during the Mahabharatha war which even the North Indian scholars claim to have happened around 800-900 B.C.E. and that means we have poems written in 900 B.C.E.this 900 B.C.E. TIMELINE is with the last Koodal academi only;even without the previous Koodal [academies] or Sangam literature works which were deemed to have been lost in the last ice age floods.
why do the historians donot accept the documented dates of events in our ancient Tamizh works.
Are we not doing enough popularizing like our ANorth Indian counterparts?

[F.S.Gandhi vandayar]

Dear Thiru Senthilkumaras,

You wrote

// why do the historians donot accept the documented dates of events in our ancient Tamizh works.
Are we not doing enough popularizing like our ANorth Indian counterparts //

We have enough popularised our works.

But all historians are north Indian oriented. Few south indians historians are who are also sanskrit oriented. Tamil oriented historians are less in India. This is bitter but truth.

You talked about Greece,Romans and Singalas. They have their own nations. Wheareas tamils dont have nation but have taken India/Malaysia/Singapore as nation or atleast in citizenship.

Perhaps If tamils some 100 years back accepted Hindhi / Hindhustani, left their own language tamil in education and other spheres, never tried to legitimise their originality and turned into some language like telugu and kananada the so called north Indian historians would have accepted and familiarise the tamils history spread stories that tamils were the foremost race of indians history.

The confusion could have been rejected in their mind. :)

Some of the historians are accepting the truth in the sense that there is some proto-dravidian / Archaic tamil / you give a name other than tamil. :)

The best way to make all indian historians accepting tamil heriditary is to tell them there is no tamil anywhere in india / world.

Is this possible ? Think it over.

f.s.gandhi

[ramraghav]

Hello

I think the ignorance about our literature is primarily due to external forces. Culture and language usually fourish in the presence of military and economic independence and social development. Actually they are all inter-connected and it is difficult to say which leads to what.

Since we have been under varying degrees of foriegn rule for around 800 years now, it is just natural that this is happening. Of course, now that India is moving towards increased capitalism and federalism, regional priorities and preferences will play an important part in national politics. And that in turn will show some good results on the culture/language front.

Hopefully.

[solomon]

Friends,

The list given looks attaractive, but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and Alines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.

The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature.

Please quote all Sangam songs wherever is required.

Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references.

MosesMohammedSolomon

[Nedunchezhiyan]

//The list given looks attaractive, but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and A lines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.

The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature. //

If Pandyars took over Madurai around 300 BCE, where do you think they lived before that? The Capital cities of Pandiyan Kingdoms and other Thamizh Kingdoms changed due to the destruction of their capital cities. Furthermore, it is believed that Pandiyars had most of the 'KumarikkaNhdam' under their rule and when the KumarikkaNhdam, submerged, they took over and moved to the upperland which was under the rule of differection Thamizh sect.

Anyhow go read Silapathigaram to find out the reference to the 'Kumarikkandam.' I believe Ilango refer it something like, 'PakruLi aarum panmaet kodum ...something'

I don't remember the full sentence, but it refer to the KumarikkaNhda mountain range and to the pakruLi river which ran south of nowday 'Eezham' aka Sri Lanka in Singhalam.



//Please quote all Sangam songs wherever is required.

Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references. //

Solomon you know your a real moron! You ask others to give specific reference where as you quote
[[[...Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and A lines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says. ]]]

I hope my reference to the Kumarikkanhdam in Silappathikaram is more than enough FOR YOU. I'm tired of seeing you, an anti-Thamizh virus who praise Sanskirit, while some Thamizhars like AP MASILAMANI and FSG have proved again and again that Sanskirit has Thamizh roots and Sanskirit isn't something that you praise it as.

//The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature. //

Solomon you talk as if you have acquired the whole knowledge of the Thamizh Sangam Literature and that finally you have come to a conclusion that Kumari KaNhdam is a fable story.

You moron, even without a country the Thamizhs have enough evidence to support Kumarik KaNhdam, having a country would help to do an archealogical excavation regarding KumarikkaNhdam. You can't expect anything from the Government of India nor from any other Governments who suck the juice out of Thamizh people.

You haven't looked into Silapathigaram or any other Sanga works which refer to the existence of the Thamizh Continent 'KumarikaNhdam.' Haven't you realized anything out of the recent 'aAzhipperalai' (Tsunami)? You won't even consider the possibility of such unthinkable disasters, which would have led to the very extinction of the KumarikkaNhdam. I bet you don't even know how many 'avvaiyars' existed throughout the Thamizh History. Go read things before you come to a conclusion like 'KumarikkaNhdam didn't exist, because you said so.' Who care if you jus had a nightmare or not?! Go read books solomon, don't read the Sanskiritized version of the texts either.

nanRi
paNhivu

[Nedunchezhiyan]

typos
'Pandiyan Kingdoms' as Pandiyan Kingdom

//I don't remember the full sentence, but it refer to the KumarikkaNhda mountain range and to the pakruLi river which ran south of nowday 'Eezham' aka Sri Lanka in Singhalam. //
I meant to say that Ilango referred in his text 'Silappathigaram' that the pakruLi river and the mountain rangers around it submerged under the sea, I believe the mountain range could have been the 'Meru Mountain' range or the left over portion of the 'Meru Mountain Range'

[solomon]

Friends,

I have quoted from the book authored by V.P.PURUSHOTHAM- Sanga Kala Mannargal Nilai Varalaru, which has also a foreword by Director of International Tamil Studies and ThaniTamil movement Scholor Mr.SalaIlanthiraiyan.

Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam, and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific.

Pavanar Schools Mr.Kodumudi Shanmugam in his Recent book completely Disowns Kumari Kandam Fables siting the above and the CENTENARY Meeting in Honour of Pavanr in Chennai University.

MosesSolomon

[Idiappam]

Friends,
Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam,
"kumarikOdum kodunkadal koLLa..." Why would 'kodu' not mean 'kandam'?? But 'kodu' or 'kandam', Elango said it was submerged, didn't he?


and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific.
It must have been a hazy day. Wait for clear day -- give 'em poor things another chance!! :lol:

[mahadevan]

Hi Solomon, you are quoting others works as a basis for rejecting Kumari kandam. Hey different people have different opinion some are great and some are even foolish(belive me there people who belive that earth is flat and sanskrit existed Before the birth of christ). Please provide your analysis of the original work or its translation (apparently your knowledge of tamil langauge is higly limited).
As correctly said by Idiyappam, does is matter if it is called kodu/kandam/continent ? as long as it conveys that a huge land mass was submerfged by the sea. I sympathize with you, being a sanskrit fan you can only give importance to the structure and not the content, words become important than what they convey, dogmatism is the your way of life.

solomon wrote: Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references

what is your point ?

solomon wrote: but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and Alines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.
Mahabharatha specifically refers to pandyas as participating in the war, are you trying to say that mahabharatha war happened much later than 300BCE, Solomon Contradiction and confusion are your middle name.

[senthilkumaras]

Friends,

I have quoted from the book authored by V.P.PURUSHOTHAM- Sanga Kala Mannargal Nilai Varalaru, which has also a foreword by Director of International Tamil Studies and ThaniTamil movement Scholor Mr.SalaIlanthiraiyan.

Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam, and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific.

Pavanar Schools Mr.Kodumudi Shanmugam in his Recent book completely Disowns Kumari Kandam Fables siting the above and the CENTENARY Meeting in Honour of Pavanr in Chennai University.

MosesSolomon

sorry sirs,


a foreword by the director of tanithamizh movement---------------any politician never ever did any grasp on LANGUAGE , CLASSICAL that is , and CIVILIZATION(everybody will agree sure on civilization and politician Iam sure)

AND heard of the ATLANTIS- go to http://www.atlan.org/book/ please see it for yourselvesLOST CONTINENT ? FOR A LONG time until ARCHAEOLOGY and OCEANOLOGY took the subject everybody thought it was A MYTH, BUT NO , THERE WAS ATLANTIS scientists say now!!!!!
as the wise old king said(solomon) there is no satellite pictures or physical underwater Reef or Ridges yet of the submerged Atlantis!!
YET OCEAN ARCHAEOLOGY reveals possibilities of a submerged land mass in the Atlantic ocean.
THAT IS BECAUSE THE EARTH'S CRUST MOVES A LOT IN 1000'S OF YEARS; AND SIMILARLY NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ARCHAEOLOGY also AGREES to the history of KUMARI CONTINENT -ALONG with existence of the city of DWARAKA that LORD KRISHNA BUILT FOR HIS PEOPLE and that a bigger city of MAHABALIPURAM AND POOMPUGAAR AS PROVED BY THE EXPEDITIONS OF SIR GRAHAM HANCOCK AND THE ROYAL BRITISH DEPARTMENT OF ARCHAEOLOGY(visit Graham Hancock Ocean archaeology websites)
By the by have you read the North Indian Historians giving proof on the TIMELINE OF LORD KRISHNA IN THE YEAR 4,100 B.C.E. AND THEIR EARLIEST SANSKRIT WORK BASED ON THE POSITION OF STARS AND CONSTELLATIONS IN THAT PERIOD TO ABOUT 8,000 B.C.E.
BASED ON THE SAME CALCULATIONS THEY HAVE ALSO DERIVED THE TIMELINE OF TAMIL WORKS TO 65OO B.C.E.
(read it in my previous links on these calculations).
According to those SENIOR North Indian Historians these are scientific facts that holds good.

WHEN SCIENCE SAYS IT YOU SHOULD BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THAT THE EARLIEST TAMIZH AND SANSKRIT WORKS DATE AROUND 6500 TO 8,000 B.C.E.

[Eelavar]

senthilkumaras, great post buddy, what an excellent work !

Well done !

F.S.Gandhi vandayar, Nedunchezhiyan, Idiappam, mahadevan

i too appreciate your view and opinion.

Defenders of Tamil can be proud.
Unfortunately our culture is not well known by about 98 % of people in this Earth...

It's unfortunate with a huge heritage like ours...

What i can say is that Human is Ignorant by nature.

I don't say i know everything, if you understood that it's a mistake, what i say is that we are all ignorants... Nobody can pretend to detain the Truth, it's foolish.

[Eelavar]

Another remark,

Majority of indians are still brainwashed by the european concept of Aryan/Dravidian races... There is not such division !

If someone say that Sanskrit have a Tamil-Brahmi root, it so does mean that division between the indian languages by Indo-European and Dravidian does not exist and that it exists only one super-family of indian language !!

Everybody should understand that !
But it's sure that with time and evolution , one language changes...

Modern Tamil vocabulary is composed by many english words...