Peep into FOREIGN NATIONS..!!..??

[Sudhaama]

By way of Customs, Peoples Life-Principles, National-Culture, Laws ... as well as the day to day developments and News...

Every Country has something to communicate to the World Society...

... INTERESTING..... Informative... Thought-Provoking... Educative... and USEFUL

Shall we bring out here... and DISCUSS ... through this Global-Dais...?

For example...Indians... can point out ... on any INTERESTING Message along with their Thoughts and Views ... they feel like saying to other Friends... from their gained knowledge about various foreign nations... which they Visited and Heard about ...

and Non-Indians... can say ... what they feel ... Interesting... in India in their outlook... and so on and so forth.

[Sudhaama]

Solving UNEMPLOYMENT-PROBLEM

When I had been to Paris... I came to know... that the French Government... is solving their Unemployment-Problem... by means of an unusual method of Equal distribution of JOB-HOURS... amongst all the Unemployed...

Thus... Nobody exists there without any earning for livelyhood.

I did not have enough time then, to ellicit more information in detail as How ?

Will any of my Friends here... knowing about France... enlighten please?

[Sudhaama]

God's Land ... SWITZERLAND

Kerala State is said to be the God's Land of INDIA... No doubt.. It is !!!

And as the next step I say .."Switzerland is the God's Land of the WORLD"... How?

(1) It is the only country... where MEANINGFUL PEACE... "Really"... exists now....

Only Nation which feels... "Conspicuous Military-Force is NOT NECESSARY" .

... but a small Troupe for odd Emergencies...

However every citizen is trained for the military.... and has to work... in the Force... for a minimum set period annually .. irrespective of his / her status in the Society.

(2) Luckiest People being the Happiest amongst Global- Humans.. because of best managing Government... with the due concern for the Peoples interests SINCERELY... even it be a one-person... or a Group of People.

(3) Citizens can feel free to travel all over the World.... either for Business or Pleasure-Tour since they need NO-VISA to visit any Country throughout the Globe. !

(4) Maximum International contact at their easy reach.... since the Top-most Tourist centre of the Globe..

(5) Maximum earning without much Industries ...for the Government just by Tourism alone.

(6) Unparallel Climate...a Paradise... just to stay .. irrespective of Sight- seeing.

(7) Maximum Protection for the Citizens earnings since the Government does not interfere unless found as the wilful defaulter on the Law of the Land..... NIL CORRUPTION.

(8) Maximum Protection for the Monetary-Savings... since strict Secrecy is maintened by the Banks...alongside the Non-interfering Govt.

(9) All the Human-needs for Pleasant Life ... Spiritual and Mundane... are quite Handy.

In Brief... Really a.... PARADISE ON EARTH.... Luckiest Citizens !!

Thank God !!! We have One such EXEMPLARY Country on Earth even Now!!!.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Friends,

I am anxious to know your VARIED THOUGHTS on the matter based on your knowledge more by personal contacts and experience....

...on the points I have raised here.. especially on Switzerland....as well as...

... about the Nations other than Switzerland.. .. and specifically from...

... those persons ... who have marked in the Poll ...OTHER NATIONS.

Dear Friends ... please Come out... with whatever be the extent of knowledge, even if Little.

[Sudhaama]

.
.Legal RIGHT ... to... Commit SUICIDE.!

Holland was the first Country to enact a Law.... authorising any of its citizens to decide when to end their Lives... subject to prior sanction by the Government....

... and accordingly can implement it with the Doctors co-operation... LEGALLY.

So to say... if anybody has a Moral- justification to feel the Necessity to leave the Earthly Life,.... He / She has to submit a Confidential application to the Govt. justifying such a decision....

... which will be followed by a confidential Interview by the relevant Govt. Officers...

Finally subject to grant by the Judiciary...

.. on legal sanction... generally due to Old-age, Uncurable Sickness, Contentment with the extent of Earthly Existence (Most difficult to convince) ... normally considered...

But Not Frustration... or Desperation due to any sort of Failures or Disappointments...

...on which if reported, the Govt and the Social-service Organisations come to the Rescue towards the Retrieval and Redressal of genuine Grievances.

Any ungranted End of Life by means of Murder or Suicide .. is no doubt ILLEGAL and punishable... similar to any other country in the world.

Such a Law of Surprise .. to Die of one's own accord, with Govt. sanction was enacted about Two centuries back by the King of Holland... which was criticised initially by many outsiders.

Subsequently some other countries too followed it as a Model.

HOLLAND ... a Peaceful country of SERENE Atmosphere...

... with Kind- hearted citizens supported by a highly People- sensitive Government.

[lordstanher]

Kerala State is said to be the God's Land of INDIA... No doubt.. It is !!!

Is it really?? But I learnt sum time ago tat despite the high literate/educated population, women can't go out alone safely after 6pm......Surely this can't be in God's own land? :?

[hehehewalrus]

COME ON LORD STANHER!!! how can you generalise something like that???

[j.chenkalvarayan]

what about the scandinavian countries like sweden, norway,denmark,finland? i find no mention in your post.in fact sweden is the 5th best country in the world to live in. these countries have stayed out of war for many years. also for quite sometime norway is playing the role of mediator in solving international crisis(LTTE ). no country would come forward to help solve another country's internal problem unless and ofcourse it is free of any internal strifes. this is what one of my teachers told me about sweden. his colleague's son is working in tcs and it stationed him in sweden for more than 10 years. during his long stay in sweden this chap came to appreciate the stringent quality norms prevalent in that country. suppose we go to a shop and decide upon one article. later on close examination the article is found to have some defects . what would be our mentality?we'll try to bargain with the shopkeeper and somehow get the product for a lower price. it seems that the swedes never settle for any inferior product.no win-win situation. moreover it ranks 3rd among the most economically progressive nations, 4th among human development index backed by a very good health and education system.employers literally bend their backs to cater to the needs of their employees. also Sweden ranks first as having the fewest people living in poverty and the fewest illiterate people, while other rich countries such us the United States have the the most. the list of points to support my notion will never end. truly sweden is THE most ideal place to live on earth.

[lordstanher]

COME ON LORD STANHER!!! how can you generalise something like that???

Walrus, I'm not making ne generalisations of my own here- fyi, this was actually said by one of our fellow Hub members in the "Violence against women" thread a few months ago!
I can't recall exactly who said this & I don't even know if tat thread still exists....?
Will try to find out later......

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."lordstanher"

// "hehehewalrus" :---COME ON LORD STANHER!!! how can you generalise something like that??? //]

// Walrus, I'm not making ne generalisations of my own here- fyi, this was actually said by one of our fellow Hub members in the "Violence against women" thread a few months ago! I can't recall exactly who said this & I don't even know if tat thread still exists....? Will try to find out later......//

Let us not indulge in loose-talk about the Whole-state... based on some odd developments in any one place... One Stray-Incident.. that too just on HEARSAY...!!!.

In fact ... Kerala is one Model-state of India... where...

(1) Literacy on the whole, including the Villages as well as amongst Tribals and Women too... is almost 100 %

(2) Ladies are Very Bold...compared to any other Indian state such that No Wicked-Man CAN WAG HIS TAIL before anyone of them...

...Even if so tried... the whole Womenfolk join together within a few minutes... in support of the single Woman under Threat...

(3) Whole Society in Kerala .. especially in Villages and Hamlets... People are well-united in the matter of Social-Security and Individual- Safety- Threats.

... Even now... after I have seen in person and further got confirmed from my friends there.

Let not anybody make a False-propaganda .. on the Good- people of Kerala ... an Exemplary Society for Unity... wherever they go

While I was in Saudi-Arabia... I felt I was in Kerala....

.. even though there were Tamilians ( !!! ???) , and such other Indians and Non-Indians too... were there parallelly... but not united as the Emulative Great Keralites...

..Whichever foreign country we go we can find there Keralites well friendly and United.

... Hats off to Keralites Unity.!!!

[hehehewalrus]

I can peep into neighboring states from my train compartment. But for other countries, you are more than welcome to sponsor a tourist visa for me!

[lordstanher]

Dear Mr. Sudhama,
Tks for the clarification abt Kerala! :D Yes even I was earlier of the same opinion abt better safety/respect for women there......hence I was astonished myself to read tat the situation was otherwise, in the post of the other hubber in the other thread, where this person said things like women r not safe travelling alone in the local state transport buses after dark etc......!
Glad to know it hasn't really changed for the worse! :)

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."hehehewalrus"

// I can peep into neighboring states from my train compartment. But for other countries, you are more than welcome to sponsor a tourist visa for me!//

Visa?... What for?... You need not spend any Money even... for the Tour.

Suppose you want to.. "Peep-in". the Foreign-nations,. Finland, Denmark, Sweden and such other Scanidnavian countries...

... It is enough for you...to just remember our Friend Mr. Chenkalvarayan ...
... Just Close your Eyes... sitting in a Sofa at your Home... at any time...

... Chant Chenkalvarayan... Chenkalvarayan... Chenkalvarayan... 1000 Times..

..You will feel Two hands bodily lifting you up... up towards the Sky... over the Ocean..

...Those will be the affectionate Hands of Mr. Chenkalvarayan.

... Don't open the Eyes... You will feel you are seated in a Plane... the Pilot of which will be Mr. Chenkalvarayan...

... Then... on to a Helicopter... to which too somebody lifts you up along with your seat...

... that Lifter...cum Pilot... will be Mr. Chenkalvarayan...

In the course of the Helicopter flight.. you will get a Sound... "Hoom"... that Lovely-Voice of Mr. Chenkalvarayan..

Then only... Open your Eyes... You can PEEP down below from the Sky... all those Exemplary countries...

... Since Mr. Chenkalvarayan has taken GREAT TROUBLES for all of our sake.

Then You can thank him... by shouting loudly... CHENKALVARAYAN... JJJ .. .JJJ ... .JJJ !!!

[krishnan]

Agreed about all the goodies of Kerala. But they are still far behind in industrialisation and generating employments.

Saw Visu's "Aratai Arangam" for the last 3 weeks on Moonar, and was wondering why don't they fail to peep in to their own town(s) and learn instead of peeping into other states / countries.

[hehehewalrus]

Sudhamaji,
ROTFL...ROTFL :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
You havent shown this part of you all these days :)

[j.chenkalvarayan]

dear sudhaamaji,
haven't you heard this before:
" the mosquito that buzzes the loudest gets hit the first"
if your post is a dig at me, you'll surely regert old man,because i don't let anyone make fun of me and get away with it. anyways your posting is not that funny at all. is that all you are capable of? wait till it's my turn to jab you.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr."chenkalvarayan"

// dear sudhaamaji.... haven't you heard this before: " the mosquito that buzzes the loudest gets hit the first"....if your post is a dig at me, you'll surely regert old man,because i don't let anyone make fun of me and get away with it. anyways your posting is not that funny at all. is that all you are capable of? wait till it's my turn to jab you.//

I am GREATLY SHOCKED to note your NEGATIVE REMARKS... on my HEALTHY SENSE...

...with my expectation of your Appreciation and Enjoyment on my General Fun...intended for a casual friendly talk in lighter vein for all... without any offence.. meant even indirectly.. to anybody.

Dear Mr. Chenkalvarayan... what made you take me amiss?..I am much confused.

Even if you joke at me in the same way... I will laugh and enjoy at it... thanking and appreciating your SENSE OF HUMOUR.

Dear Mr. Chengalwarayan... please believe me... I totally HATE TO OFFEND or HURT... ANYBODY ... even indirectly... even my Enemy..

... as a matter of Principle, I strictly adhere to "NAYAM PADA URAI" only

... and Not in such SADISTIC-PLEASURE ... by hitting and denigrating others.

Please see how Mr. hehewalrus... whom I addressed has enjoyed the Joke and replied apreciating me.!!! .. Why can't you my dear Friend?

Please see all my Postings (Rich and High) in an affectionate friendly manner..

. under my Name Sudhaama in the new Hub...and as R.Srinivasan (USA) in the Old-Hub....

.. for the past more than 3 years....Then you will know my Calibre..

...whether I am so CHEAP AS YOU HAVE SUDENLY CONCLUDED on my Intentions.

However... I am PREPARED TO.... APOLOGISE TO YOU...

... if any of my wordings.. (even inadvertently presented) have HURT YOU.

... as also I am prepared to DELETE THAT POST... on your such advice...

Please advise me.

[Girish11]

Hi everyone,

I see we are discussing about happiest people here, some
criteria such as financial standing, economy of the country
etc have been mentioned by some.

But political, economical issues aside, if we simply talk about
happiest people on Earth, I think those would be the Brazilians.

Yes, they have problems such as robberies, kidnappings etc
going on in full flow in places like Sao paulo, Rio but in general
the people live there for the moment, they are happy and
cheerful all the time, as well, IMO, Brazilians are the most
friendly and warmest people on the Earth too.

There are some very special things which I have noticed about
Brazil which I would like to mention.

Brazil has a lots of whites and blacks just like USA but I have
never seen the whites and blacks getting along so well with
each other in any other country like in Brazil, to my knowledge
there never have been racial problems between them in Brazil.

Foreigners are never treated badly in Brazil, there are more
Lebanese people in Brazil than in Lebanon, there is a very
huge Japanese community, plus lots of Chinese, Koreans etc
but these foreigners are never mis treated by the Brazilians,
seeing them mix with the Brazilians and hanging around
together is a very very common sight. Further, even the
foreigners there become more Brazilians than a Lebanese
or Japanese etc and after living there for some time they
prefer to call themselves as Brazilians rather than a Japanese etc.

Small things such as the relation between a boss and employee
is praiseworthy, they talk with each other like friends and usually
there is a good smooth relation between them.

I have stayed in lots of places such as
Taiwan, Panama, Saudi, Dubai, Argentina, Chile, Hongkong, USA etc
also heard of many places, seen documentaries etc but
nothing is close to Brazil.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. Girish,

Your information on Brazil is quite interesting... and really a first time news to me... which you have presented nicely.

About the Scope of this Thread, you have mistaken. Here I clarify in the interest of all concerned ... in view of Future-postings.

Several Friends participating in This Hub... are residing at different countries... Chile, Australia,UK, Singapore, Malaysia, Srilanka, Canada, Germany, USA, as well as some Non-Indians residing in India... and so on... while I am at USA

Let us imagine... that we all friends meet at one place ... and exchange our knowledge and thoughts about the places and people and such other interesting news... We will be happy to exchange mutually amongst us... Is it not?

Such of those interesting chat-news...we can present here... which will generate replies from different corners... including India... thus making it an INTERESTING READING- MATTER for one and all of us.

In this connection... my Initial-Introduction to this Thread, is reproduced herebelow for information.

You can write any news , any message... you have experienced in the country of your stay but also by hearsay from other countries as well... from your other friends.

So I invite you to speak on your preset country of Residence... CHILE... whatever you may feel like to speak to your friends here.

Thanking You, With Best Wishes to all,
Sudhaama at USA.
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.
INTRODUCTION :

// By way of Customs, Peoples Life-Principles, National-Culture, Laws ... as well as the day to day developments and News...

Every Country has something to communicate to the World Society...

... INTERESTING..... Informative... Thought-Provoking... Educative... and USEFUL

Shall we bring out here... and DISCUSS ... through this Global-Dais...?

For example...Indians... can point out ... on any INTERESTING Message along with their Thoughts and Views ... they feel like saying to other Friends... from their gained knowledge about various foreign nations... which they Visited and Heard about ...

and Non-Indians... can say ... what they feel ... Interesting... in India in their outlook... and so on and so forth.//
__________________________________________________ ___________

[hehehewalrus]

Sudhamaji
You seem to be a Chuppa Rustom(You might already know the meaning of the expression, if not let me know). Hope you will contribute this side of your personality in future posts :)

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. "hehehewalrus"

// Sudhamaji....You seem to be a Chuppa Rustom(You might already know the meaning of the expression, if not let me know). Hope you will contribute this side of your personality in future posts //

Sorry... I don't understand what you mean... Please Clarify...

About me... in brief...

In my more than Seven decades Life-Experience...

...what I have learnt and follow as my TOP-MOST LESSON ..

... which is also the Answer to the Question...

... HOW TO BE HAPPY ALWAYS?

ALWAYS sincerely Try to make others Happy by ALL WAYS...
Then.,Your Happiness will rush in search of you.".

... which HIGH-PRINCIPLE... we can notice PROMINENTLY...

... in general ... in this Great People of America... USA.

[hehehewalrus]

Sorry... I don't understand what you mean... Please Clarify...

Sudhamaji, Chuppa Rustom literally means "Secret Rustom"(Rustom is a common name for a guy in the Parsee community - have u heard the story of Rustom and Sohrab?) - A Chuppa Rustom is a person who has a special talent but does not show it outside and one fine day unexpectedly releases his talent in full flow to the amazement of others.
You seem to be a Chuppa Rustom in humour, your humourous post earlier in this thread was very funny :D Next time you talk with your north indian relations, ask them about the expression "Chuppa Rustom".

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr. hehe,

Thanks for your prompt and sincere reply ... Now I got it recollected from my memory. .. Yes,while I was in North-India in various States..I have not only heard about this famous Rustomji... but also read in Hindi too

There is also a Hindi-film... named... RUSTOMJI KOUN?

Such Humour.. I have written in this Hub... previously too

While I am glad and thankful to you... since you have caught the right sense and enjoyed the True Fun in it..

.. I am PAINED TO NOTE that Mr. Chenkalvarayan... has taken me amiss...

.... See ... HIS BULLETS TOWARDS ME... instead of Flowers...

I have sent pm to him in detail...Will you also please write to him a pm?

Such Funs... in fact, I want to write ... in future too... BUT ?????

In respect of Humour.. who do you feel.... enjoy utmost amongst the Foreigners (Non-Indians)?

[hehehewalrus]

Sudhamaji
your expression "Bullet to the gullet" was very very funny :lol: :lol:

[Sudhaama]

My Dear Youth... Mind Your FINGERS.!

The present day Nations especially India ... is fastly becoming Global.

And several Indians ... who would have never expected .. nor even have ever had aspired to go to any foreign Nations...

...because of their Thought as BEYOND THEIR REACH (in one or the other aspect) ..

.. now-a-days are visiting and becoming the Residents of Foreign lands.

Some of them... especially LADIES..are getting one UNNECESSARY PROBLEM... which could have been avoided had they been duly CAUTIOUS EARLIER.

That Problem is the... FINGER-PRINTS

Yes... in any foreign land dealings, Finger-prints are invariably required at one stage. And when one applies for Initial Residency or Citizenship, for the sake of POLICE-VERIFICATION on Non-Criminal- Record... the Finger-Prints of ALL THE TEN FINGERS... of both the Hands are called for.

If such Finger-prints are not clear and precisive... being a Smooth- finger without Lines (Rays) ... then it becomes horrible for the applicant. . They are asked to gather the Police-record right from the age of 13 (in case of America while in case of other countries it varies) wherever one stayed for more than 6 months. ..

... A LABORIOUS PROCESS coupled with Long delay and Anxiety... sometimes resulting in failure too ... innocently.

Such an unnecessary problem of Blank-Fingers... is caused by ...

- the household Youth- tasks of Cleaning vessels with plain palm... by rubbing with Sand, Ash, Mud and the like...

- Wiping the parts of Kolam on the Earthen ground or rough Floor surface ... with the unprotecxted fingers..

- Wiping the Blackboard in School without brush.

... Pulling Ropes for fetching water from the Wells.

or some such other tasks, which greatly affects the Finger- lines born with... getting erased off.

Then the Finger-prints will become just an Ink-smear without any Impression of lines..

So my dear Stranger Youth ...especially Ladies... Please be prepared to Visit the Foreign Lands at any future day in your life...

.. by duly PROTECTING your Finger-forms... as born with..

[r_kk]

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...especially LADIES..are getting one UNNECESSARY PROBLEM... which could have been avoided had they been duly CAUTIOUS EARLIER.

That Problem is the... FINGER-PRINTS

If such Finger-prints are not clear and precisive... being a Smooth- finger without Lines (Rays) ... then it becomes horrible for the applicant. . They are asked to gather the Police-record right from the age of 13 (in case of America while in case of other countries it varies) wherever one stayed for more than 6 months. ..

Such an unnecessary problem of Blank-Fingers... is caused by ...

- the household Youth- tasks of Cleaning vessels with plain palm... by rubbing with Sand, Ash, Mud and the like...

- Wiping the parts of Kolam on the Earthen ground or rough Floor surface ... with the unprotecxted fingers..

- Wiping the Blackboard in School without brush.

... Pulling Ropes for fetching water from the Wells.

or some such other tasks, which greatly affects the Finger- lines born with... getting erased off.

Then the Finger-prints will become just an Ink-smear without any Impression of lines..

So my dear Stranger Youth ...especially Ladies... Please be prepared to Visit the Foreign Lands at any future day in your life...

.. by duly PROTECTING your Finger-forms... as born with..

Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
Can you please inform the following?
1. Where did you get this kind of information?
2. Had you come across any real life incidences stating that finger prints are not legible due to smooth skin?

One of the biological facts of normal human body is that it has enough capacity to replenish any minor damages to skin (as well as the finger pattern to the original) very fast and in general the outer skin cells (including palm) are frequently replaced. So I am having big doubt on your statements like “cleaning utensils will remove the finger pattern”. If your statements are correct, all the identification methodologies using finger pattern (including biometrics) becomes meaningless.

Can you please clarify?
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[sivajayan]

Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
Can you please inform the following?
1. Where did you get this kind of information?
2. Had you come across any real life incidences stating that finger prints are not legible due to smooth skin?

If I may make a comment r_kk!

Point 1:
He has been telling umpteen times that his vast knowledge results from reading uncountable books from many libraries in his past seven decades. And that he has no access to any books now and that he has access only to his old memories. - This is what he said!

Point 2:
He says he is a writer not only here in the hub but in several chick lit and enumerated a couble of names of which I did not even know that they ever existed. So I think he is capable of fiction and that is what he does here.

[Sudhaama]

Mr. r_kk,

// Dear Mr. Sudhamma,

Can you please inform the following?

// 1. Where did you get this kind of information?//

From my recent PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in America... in case of one of my close Family-members... in ONLY ONE FINGER.

From my past experience in case of one worker... as I had personally observed while I was in Saudi Arabia...

From several Friends and acquaitances in different Overseas Nations RECENTLY.

// 2. Had you come across any real life incidences stating that finger prints are not legible due to smooth skin? //

Yes... as said above.

In my presence recently the Officer informed " Not only in your case, but in several cases from Asians, especially the Indians this sort of problem, since many years ..we notice. Because you people are in the habit of washing utensils and some such household works with plain hands... unlike we people wear Glouse. You have to preserve them especially at Tender age..

To BELIEVE OR DISBELIEVE IS LEFT TO YOU.... With good intentions I bring out a Message here. I have nothing to gain by revealing such a Fact.

If you want you can try and see yourselves. You can find the TRUTH.

[r_kk]

[tscii:b9e05e71c6] [/tscii:b9e05e71c6] Dear Mr. Sudhamma,
Please understand that I am neither suspecting your intentions nor having any intention to write something against your posts. I appreciate your real wish to inform the facts, which you considered as correct, to others.

I had come across many incidences when visa was rejected to some one due to some valid reason, he/she spread entirely different reasons to others (old passport photo is not matching with present one, the receiving clerk was no good, astrologer told that this year he can’t go abroad etc…). That’s why I had asked whether these are from your personal experience or from a valid source. I feel the immigration officers (you had come across) might not be happy with poor Asians and those rare incidences might be the own interpretations of those officers (may be want to increase the gloves sales in Asia!) rather than fact or immigration offices guidelines.

My sole intention behind this post is to stop spreading of wrong belief (hard work without gloves will lead to wear of finger line patterns) among Indians, particularly our ladies those who very often clean the utensils without gloves. Based on my personal experience, my wife who cleans my house utensils daily, without gloves for last 5 ~6 years, never had faced any problems in giving finger prints at immigration offices. I had faced some problems while taking my small kids thump impression because of over-pressing the fingers with lot of ink, which create poor impression. In such cases, after pressing on the inkpad, before putting it in original documents, take the finger prints on some waste papers till the extra inks goes off.

Kindly go through the following
“fingerprints do not change significantly with age. If a finger is damaged, it will normally heal in such a way that the fingerprint is restored. Because of these characteristics, a person's fingerprint can be used as a method to identify human individuals”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprint

Another biological fact is that every minute 30,000-40,000 dead skin cells fall from human body! In approximately a month's time, human body has made a whole new layer of skin cells!
http://yucky.kids.discovery.com/noflash/body/pg000146.html

I feel it is better to explain these scientific facts to the immigration officers and ask them to properly take the finger prints.

[r_kk]

[tscii:3581fa7e3c][/tscii:3581fa7e3c] One of the fantastic country on earth is South Korea. Many people from India are not aware much about Korea even though most of them use the famous Korean brands such as Hyundai/ Deawoo cars, Samsung /Goldstar (LG) electronic/computer products and spare parts in day to day life.

The following facts are very interesting.
1. Crime rate is very very low. Women can walk alone in the streets in midnights
2. Wealth is evenly distributed (except the few extra riches). Living standards in the remote villages are also comparable with cities. Industries and job availability also uniformly distributed to even the remotest part of the country.
3. Foreigners, particularly Indians are highly respected (more than India). Koreans are very friendly and highly emotional people. They even invite the unknown foreigners to have coffee and drink with them and give lots of gifts to kids (India kids are their most favourites). The hospitality and sociability of village side old people are incomparable (just like our old system).
4. People are highly self disciplined (After the world cup football matches, the area where Koreans were sitting, used to be very clean. I had seen director and presidents of big companies picks up the wastes and clean their surrounding whenever and wherever they find uncleanness)
5. Even though they strictly follow hierarchical (generally age based) working atmosphere and consider the work instructions of higher officials as “military order”, they are very friendly after office hours. All directors and workers leave the level differences after office hours. Some times welders and crane operators gain more salary than the highest white color professional in a company.
6. Country is very colorful with lot of mountains (just like Kerala or Goa). Even though the terrain is very tough, they had made wonderful roads. They have 4 distinct and enjoyable seasons. Cold winter (snow covered mountain), nice springs (flowers everywhere, tree full of flowers etc), nice summer (good safe sandy beeches, person can stay days in beech tents) and colorful autumn (red and yellow leaves every where).
7. The fighting spirit and national proud ness are very high. These had brought them from a poverty stricken nation to the rich country. They are always highly devoted workforce. Even though they don’t have any major natural resources, their export is comparable with many well developed countries. They dream big and work hard to make their dream in to reality (world biggest ship yards, world largest producing steel mills, biggest supplier of RAM and TFT screens etc etc…)
8. People are in general honest.
9. Even though corruption is reported at very high business level, the common man has not affected. People can get all the basic things in life without paying any extra money.
10. Their service sector is higly efficient and service oriented.
11. Internet penetration (broad band) and literacy rate is very high. People can do everything by sitting in front of PC.
12. It is a free society. No restriction on what one has to drink (liquor are easily available in all shops) or see (movies of all rated is available to respective age group). But most surprisingly, the society is peace loving and less hypocritical.

[Sandeep]

I have found the same thing about korea in my interaction with people there. I have never been there and hence dont know about the countries geography. But what you wrote about people was very much true in my experience.

[Sudhaama]

.
. Greatest amongst the Great Nations : U.S.A.

In my Judgement... Yes... it is America..USA.

Out of several Reasons and Justifications...

...my Top-most point to say so.. is ...

...the People of America... I like.

Even with a Stranger, they are so very courteous, affectionate, helpful, Kind, and Large-hearted... in general.

No doubt People of all the Nations Globally are Good in general.

But within a short period... to develop Sincerety, Friendship and Lovely approach with due personal respect..

...I feel the Americans are the Greatest Humane...

...and Conspicuously impressive as the Welcoming Host.
.

[Anoushka]

I have not been to America, but I travel all over Europe, and I think Irish specially are friendly people!

Irish people are happy, very laid back and very helpful. When I landed in this country years ago I had the intention of not staying here for more than a year, but nine years later I still have no intentions of leaving this wonderful country that soon!

For my kind of laid back attitude, I think Ireland is one country that will keep me happy :)

[crazy]

No nation is perfect as long as u r not perfect :oops:

The only countries i know well or the countries i know well in the sense i have seen how the government functions - Norway is undoubtedly the Best (not just Norway, but the entire Scandinavian countries and also Finland)

I dont want to write all the good aspects of the Norwegian people, coz i feel that is of no importance here......as long as we live in a foreign country, we will always say and brag how good the country is :ashamed:

No matter what, I love my country(TE ) :notworthy: and also India :thumbsup: and I want to live there :)

[Anoushka]

I agree with you Vasavi :) I think some of us can enjoy where ever we are and some of us can complain... and there are a few others who just think where they live is the best!

I wouldn't mind going away to some country like swiss and live in a city like Bern or Interlaken and lead a quiet and happy life... or find a place in the middle of nowhere in India and be happy with it too!

I do know Scandinavian countries are good. They are supposed to have the best health system and education system in the world!

[Nakeeran]

.
. Greatest amongst the Great Nations : U.S.A.

In my Judgement... Yes... it is America..USA.

Out of several Reasons and Justifications...

...my Top-most point to say so.. is ...

...the People of America... I like.

Even with a Stranger, they are so very courteous, affectionate, helpful, Kind, and Large-hearted... in general.

No doubt People of all the Nations Globally are Good in general.

But within a short period... to develop Sincerety, Friendship and Lovely approach with due personal respect..

...
I feel the Americans are the Greatest Humane...

...and Conspicuously impressive as the Welcoming Host.
.

Mr. Sudhama

If the people are really so good, they would have prevented a MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ, AFGANISTAN etc.
Its again the people who elect the leaders like Bush .
A nation which has built / accumulated arms and nuclear weapons is crying foul on Iran . What a paradox ?? Amazing set of countrymen these Americans are !!


I feel the Americans are the Greatest Humane

Sorry. Americans are the WORST EVER INHUMANS around today. They have systematically destroyed several countries. One end, they will give arms to Pakistan and another end, they will talk about arms reduction across the globe.

AMERICANS ARE THE MOST WAR HUNGRY RACE .

What is their next target ? Iran or North Korea ??

[Nakeeran]

Hi Anoushka

Can you pl write extensively on Ireland ? I requested you long back. Seems like this thread is an ideal one . Pl

[Sudhaama]

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.
. Greatest amongst the Great Nations : U.S.A.

In my Judgement... Yes... it is America..USA.

Out of several Reasons and Justifications...

...my Top-most point to say so.. is ...

...the People of America... I like.

Even with a Stranger, they are so very courteous, affectionate, helpful, Kind, and Large-hearted... in general.

No doubt People of all the Nations Globally are Good in general.

But within a short period... to develop Sincerety, Friendship and Lovely approach with due personal respect..

...
I feel the Americans are the Greatest Humane...

...and Conspicuously impressive as the Welcoming Host.
.

Mr. Sudhama

If the people are really so good, they would have prevented a MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ, AFGANISTAN etc.
Its again the people who elect the leaders like Bush .
A nation which has built / accumulated arms and nuclear weapons is crying foul on Iran . What a paradox ?? Amazing set of countrymen these Americans are !!


I feel the Americans are the Greatest Humane

Sorry. Americans are the WORST EVER INHUMANS around today. They have systematically destroyed several countries. One end, they will give arms to Pakistan and another end, they will talk about arms reduction across the globe.

AMERICANS ARE THE MOST WAR HUNGRY RACE .

What is their next target ? Iran or North Korea ??

Dear Nakeera,

What You say... and what I mean are TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS...

.. Rather You are talking about American Govt and their Policies and approach...

...which is NOT THE PURVIEW of this Thread...

... intended to discuss about the People, Living Conditions, Prevailing Laws unique of its own, Tourists' interests, Interesting News for the Visitors etc... of various Nations all over the World...

... ONLY and NOT BEYOND... Whereas you are talking about Politics.

This country a Great Nation for Living, Employment, Business and Visiting as a Tourist...

..as well as Learning on meaningful living (from the Elite Intellectual section of Society) ...
...is UNCOMPARABLE with any other World Nation today.. in my Opinion.

If anyone of you differ with me to say.. that some other country is better than USA...

...well, please speak out your Opinion... I invite you all to discuss.

Let us all exchange our worthy knowledge on the..

.. Greatness of various Nations of the world... each Unique on its own.

However I reiterate.. to believe what I say about USA..

...Please visit this GREAT NATION OF EXEMPLARY MODERN OUTLOOK...

...coupled with Human-Values of the U.S.American People (Society in general)
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[Nakeeran]

Chief,

I am very clear on what I intended. Its about the PEOPLE whose mindset need to change FROM A WAR HUNGRY THINKING TO MORE HUMAN
Its the same set of people who have voted guys like Bush .
America might have been a great nation some 50 or 25 years before ( I mean the period up to Ronald Reagan ) but ever since the Bushs entered, its chaos and this country is crying for BLOOD everywhere.

I have given standing examples to you citing the cases of Afgan / Iraq.

If its the people who drive this nation, then they should stop the govt poking nose on Iran.

[Anoushka]

OK Nakeeran... I do remember you asking me to write about Ireland... :) will do so in the coming week!

[Anoushka]

[tscii:3ae94c488e]Nakeeran here is what you asked for... It is a fairly long post, so take your time in reading it!

Ireland... not many of my Indian friends/family know where it is. I always find it easier to tell them that it is 45 mins flying distance from London (weather permitting!) heading towards America, and then maybe get a map and show them where exactly this place is.

Another thing that confuses people is that Ireland is not a part of UK. Northern Ireland is and Republic of Ireland is not. Two different countries, two different visas, two different currencies and Oh yes, two different religions… There is a joke that they say, if you go to Belfast, be prepared for a question “Are you a Catholic or a protestant?” and if you say you are neither, and you are a Hindu, the next question will be “Are you a Catholic Hindu or a protestant Hindu?”. :rotfl:

And for people that do know about Northern Ireland and the problems, the only thing they can relate to is IRA and the problems. Till date most of my “desi” friends are afraid to go to Belfast! Even to go and watch the India/SA matches next month, most desis are scared and worried!

Ireland is green and beautiful throughout the year and there is no water problem! Thanks to the rains all year long. The weather here is quite unpredictable. This morning the sun was shining nice and bright way before 5:00 am, but when I got out at 6:30 my car windscreen had a layer of ice on it and the radio said the outside temperature was 1 deg C! And believe me, it is summer here :) The nice thing about the Irish weather is that it never gets too cold (day time temperature never falls below – 3 deg C) and it never gets too hot (only in the past few years the day time temperature has gone up to 25 deg C in summer). We hardly get snow once or twice a year and it is never bad enough. But as I said, it is so unpredictable that we had snow in April one year and hailstones are a regular feature in summer :lol: It gets really windy here and the weather man is fond of saying, we will have a wet, wild and windy day today! Also, we all know that we could have four seasons in a day here… It can start off with a lovely sunshine and get windy and then rainy and back to a cold evening, etc!

People here are very very laid back. The bus service doesn’t start till 6:00 or 6:30 in some areas on a week day and 10:00 am on a Sunday! Dublin has the train, tram and bus. Once you are outside Dublin, except for the cities (Even that I am not quite sure, though I have seen local buses in Galway), there is not much in the way of public transport. But most of the population live in cities anyway.

Food wise, it is quite expensive to eat outside. The Irish eat meat for nearly every meal… A full Irish breakfast could be toast, beans, white pudding (meat), black pudding (meat), bacon, tomato, mushroom, hash brown, etc. Most people drink coffee or tea without sugar. They have either a heavy lunch or dinner, not both. And the heavy meal is called “dinner” even if it is eaten at lunch time! Potatoes are a favourite dish… it could be roast potato, boiled potato, baked potato, mashed potato or chips! The other meal is generally light – like a sandwich or something. Fridays are vegetarian days – because of religious reasons and they consider fish as vegetarian. 9 years ago when I landed here, it was difficult to explain vegetarian food to people specially in the country side. All you would get was potatoes in some form and boiled cabbage, carrot, peas, cauliflower, broccoli or mushrooms!

There are a good few veg restaurants in Dublin now. Including a couple of them run by the ISKCON crowd.

Talking of ISKCON, till a couple of years ago, we did not have a temple in ROI, the only two temples were in the North, one in Belfast and the other in Eniskerry – run by ISKCON. The one in Belfast is an interesting one as the temple is housed in an old church building. Now we have a house outside Dublin which should work as a temple soon enough. We bring in a priest from London once a month, rent out a hall, keep photos and do a “pooja”. So that works as the temporary temple. There is a Gurudwara here which is great (where I go with my Sikh friends to have langar sometimes) and a couple of mosques.

Nine years ago, the number of Indians here were so less that if we saw another Indian on the other side of the road, we would run across to get their contact details and be in touch. Now there are about 10,000 Indians here most of whom are Malayalis (nurses). Again 10 years ago, most of the Indians here were Doctors, then the trend changed to Doctors and IT pros and now it is full of nurses. There are so many Malayalis that there are a couple of Malayali grocery shops around! There was one Asia Market and a Pakistani shop years ago, now there are plenty of desi shops around (all are too damn expensive) and we get anything from murungaikai to murukku without any problem!

Typical of any Indian community outside India, we have our own groups – The India club, the Indo-Irish society, the Punjabi society, the Kannada group, the Telugu association, etc. And even when it comes to religious activities, there would be the Vinayaka temple crowd, the ISKCON crowd, the Sant Nirankarai crowd, the Satsang crowd, etc!

Coming back to the Irish, they love their sports. Most Irish love their football and rugby. People would travel to the UK regularly to watch football matches! And Golf is another sport which has been a craze. One might find it hard to believe that for a country this small there are about 5,000 golf courses around the country. If the sun comes out even a bit people get out with their golf clubs. (One of my neighbours downgraded his car from a Merc to a VW because his new Merc’s boot was small and did not fit in the golf kit!) :lol: There are quite a few cricket clubs in the country and because of weather, the cricket season is from April to September. Snooker is another favourite. Most people follow F1 too. If you are on a taxi on a Monday morning after a F1 Sunday, you will have to listen to the taxi driver ranting and raving about the F1 the previous day. Hurling is a very Irish sport and it is supposed the fastest team sport in the world. Horse racing is another favourite. In fact it is more of a social event.

The Irish people love music and theatre and books. The libraries are well equipped and it is free of charge to take 8 books at a time. There are plenty of music festivals and shows throughout the year and specially in summer. Most shows are sold out the day they are announced.

Weekends are a big deal. Most of us work Monday to Friday and Friday evenings are spent going to the pub for a “pint”. Ireland is the home of “The black stuff – Guinness”. It was believed that Guinness was high in iron content and was recommended for pregnant women. Of course it has been proved now that to get the RDA of iron, one needs to drink 16 pints of Guinness and a pint of Orange juice :lol: Ireland was the first country in Europe (If I am not wrong) to ban smoking in public and enclosed areas, including workplaces.

The Irish are generally fit and you could see people going for a run during lunch time. The Women’s mini marathon (10K) each year has more than 40,000 women participating. Throughout the year there are such runs organised and there will be at least one each month.

Irish are peace loving people in general. We do have an army which is mostly sent to other countries as a peace keeping force. The Irish people went on a fight when the US military planes landed in Shannon for refuelling. The Irish also spend a lot on charity.

As for politics, not much to say… we just had our elections the same government that was ruling for the past 10 years got a majority. They had nothing major against the prime minister not much of corruption, etc.

The medical system is good. But the queues are long. The education system is good but again the schools are trying to expand to cater to all those people moving to Ireland now. Quite a lot of immigrants these days, specially from Eastern Europe. There are plenty of Chinese as well, and of course Nigerians. The schools in some areas are filled with more than 50% immigrants.

The cost of living is quite high and the houses in Dublin cost an arm and a leg!

The Irish have a lot in common with Indians. Irish used to have joint families, dowry system (though not as bad as Indians), and pamper their sons just like Indian families!

There is so much more to write… if I keep writing I guess I can write a complete book… I stop here as it might get boring… if you have any specific questions then please do ask and I will be happy to answer!
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[Nakeeran]

Oh great informative post . Thanks a lot Anoushka . Honestly, I got to know more about Ireland now only !

Nice to note that there are 10k Indians around ! thats a big number for sure.

Interesting to note that Keralites are more there ! I thought Sikhs will be majority considering the access from UK !

Do you get all the South Indian food items ?

What about Indian software companies there ? How many are present ?


Do you all invite Indian stars / musicians to perform like in UK or in USA ?

Wish to know what the Irish think about India

Thanks once again.

[Anoushka]

Oh great informative post . Thanks a lot Anoushka . Honestly, I got to know more about Ireland now only !

you are welcome :)

Nice to note that there are 10k Indians around ! thats a big number for sure.

It is a big number and this change has been only in the past three or four years, most of them are nurses and some of them are students!

Interesting to note that Keralites are more there ! I thought Sikhs will be majority considering the access from UK !

Sikhs are plenty in the UK, but I think the reason is that there is a separate visa (for all purposes) required to enter the country and the Malayali nurses find it easier to get work visas to come here compared to Sikhs who are business men mostly.

Do you get all the South Indian food items ?

We don't get idli/dosais in restaurants - though I do here from time to time that some restaurant is introducing it on a trial basis. Actually we don't have South Indian restaurants (which UK has plenty of) but we get all kinds of ready made stuff including puttu maavu, aapam maavu, kappai kizhangu, pala kottai, paavakai, peerkankai, podalangai, etc in the shops. And most of us have brought the grinder over from India so we tend to make all south Indian food at home!

What about Indian software companies there ? How many are present ?

I know TCS is here and Mphasis is here, am not sure about the rest. Plenty of software companies opened up here 10 years ago because of tax reasons. Microsoft, IBM, Google, etc have their European HQ based in Dublin.

Do you all invite Indian stars / musicians to perform like in UK or in USA ?

There hasn't been much demand for that as the crowd used to be less and it is quite expensive to organise a show and we find our desi friends not wanting to spend much. The Malyalis though tend to bring their comedians and have shows once in six months. Zakir Hussain and ShivaMani and troupe were here in 2000. Other than that, the Indian embassy tends to bring not so famous artists to do music concerts, dance shows, which are generally free.

Usha Uthup was here a couple of years ago as a part of the festival of world cultures which happens every summer in end of August. But most of the time they tend to use local talent. It is easy to organise and we are not that expensive :lol: throw us a couple of hundred Euros and we would do a show for them.

For the past couple of years we have been doing a fundraising show for the local temple using local talent and it has been great though we could do with more support! When people have to spend 20 Euros per head, in a family of four, that works out to a ticket for a child to India for them... so people think a lot to spend on such shows!

Wish to know what the Irish think about India

Like everything else, they have mixed opinion... Irish people tend to travel a lot... Most of them would have done a world tour before they are 30!

People who have travelled to India again think good or bad based on their experience. Some of them came back and had to tell only good things.. Like my German and Irish friend who travelled in the North were offered food by passengers on the train when the train got delayed and got stuck somewhere where they couldn't get anything to eat. My best friend had only good experiences because she travelled with me and she absolutely loves the place and would travel again when her son grew a bit bigger so that he can remember all the good things too.

But her brother who travelled alone had too many bad experiences and has decided that he would never step into that country again.

As for those that have only known India through the festivals here, TV, books and friends, they think India is very bright, colourful, enchanting and has plenty of family values. I should say there is an Indian restaurant in nearly every nook and corner of Ireland and people love the curry :lol:

Thanks once again.

my pleasure :)

[Anoushka]

A few other things that I remembered

Abortion is illegal in Ireland - for any reason. People take the flight to UK to get it done!

Medical expenses are minimal - if there is a recommendation letter from the GP, the hospital does not charge for any treatment - even for public patients (I guess this is the same around Europe). But the queues are really really long...

And I was wrong about Mphasis, they don't have an office here, they have people working in projects here, but EDS does the paper work for them!

[thamizhvaanan]

Mphasis has been purchased by EDS right? :confused2:

[littlemaster1982]

Yeah TV, you are right :)

[podalangai]

The only countries i know well or the countries i know well in the sense i have seen how the government functions - Norway is undoubtedly the Best (not just Norway, but the entire Scandinavian countries and also Finland)
According to a study conducted by the Economist, Norway is the most peaceful country in the world. Here's a report by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6704767.stm

India is placed 109th out of 120 countries. :cry: The US is 96th.
You can see the entire rankings here:

http://www.visionofhumanity.com/rankings/

[Roshan]

According to a study conducted by the Economist, Norway is the most peaceful country in the world. Here's a report by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6704767.stm

India is placed 109th out of 120 countries. :cry:

paravaillai podalai - naanga 111 neeng 109 :(



The US is 96th.

Most of the countries that follow US are the countries ruined by US :twisted: :twisted: Iraq being the last. What an irony :(

[crazy]

SL 111th :lol: :oops:

[Roshan]

SL 111th :lol: :oops:

Crazy,

Seriously, I dont understand your mentality. What makes you feel so gleeful about it ? :roll: :x

[crazy]

Roshan akka,
sorry shouldnt have laughed at your country ...but couldnt help myself :oops:

[Hey Ram]

The only countries i know well or the countries i know well in the sense i have seen how the government functions - Norway is undoubtedly the Best (not just Norway, but the entire Scandinavian countries and also Finland)
According to a study conducted by the Economist, Norway is the most peaceful country in the world. Here's a report by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6704767.stm

India is placed 109th out of 120 countries. :cry: The US is 96th.
You can see the entire rankings here:

http://www.visionofhumanity.com/rankings/

Good info thalaivare.. Check this one too.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2149799.stm

[crazy]

seems like I have nothing to say about Norway :notworthy:

God Bless us all :)

[Rocky_]

The US is 96th.

Most of the countries that follow US are the countries ruined by US :twisted: :twisted: Iraq being the last. What an irony :(

Or Else Iraq would be ahead of the US in being Peaceful? :? :P

I'm sure Shia Muslims would be PISSED if that was the case! :lol2:

Strange....Canada is a lot lower in the list than it should be. Everyone in the World LOVES Canada! 8-)

[Roshan]

Roshan akka,
sorry shouldnt have laughed at your country ...but couldnt help myself :oops:

But one of those countries you adore the most is only two steps ahead. But what makes you laugh only at SL is the question? That doesnt mean that you should be laughing at both. Just remember, the people who suffer due to lack of peace are not just you and me - but the poor, vulnarable and marginalised. Matravar thuyar kaNdu sirippathu - athu ethriyE Anaalum kooda - oru eenathanamAna seyal enbathu en kolgai en apipraayam. Remember a place like this (hub) is like a mirror, no matter how anonymous one tries to remain.

[Sudhaama]

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. Everyone in the World LOVES CANADA




..............

Strange....Canada is a lot lower in the list than it should be.

Everyone in the World LOVES Canada! 8-)

Yes.. I too feel so.

Then why nobody has voted for CANADA.!!..

...under the Poll Question above?
.

[Rocky_]

I don't know. :? I personally voted for the US, because IMO like u said Sudhamma Ji :

Greatest amongst the Great Nations : U.S.A

As Great and Loveable as Canada is, to me, no one beats the US. :)

Also, I guess none of the Canadian Hubbers have seen this thread yet. :? (Querida, Sinthiya, Priyanka, Juice etc)

[Sudhaama]

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I don't know. :? I personally voted for the US, because IMO like u said Sudhamma Ji :

Greatest amongst the Great Nations : U.S.A

As Great and Loveable as Canada is, to me, no one beats the US. :)
...

The Greatrness of any Nation is judged on several factors...

...each factor has different Parameters and Yardsticks..

..One of such a Factor is PEACEFUL NATION...How far @ what level?

But Peace alone does not qualify for Greatness.

Lord Rama's Life was full of suffering... with no Peace of mind... No Peace in the country too..

...Still Rama is lauded as Great.!! Why?.. Because of His Accievements of the purpose... by His Propensities and Exemplary Qualities... by His Richness of status under all circumstances.

Say Mahatma Gandhi.. How he is popular as Great?... He never had Peace of Mind... nor his Country had, during his Lifetime.

But his Greatness is because of the above-said Criteria.

So is the case of any Great Man... or anything Great and Greatest Nation.

All the Countries and all the People globally too...

..often quote for anything and everything... as the Yardstick or Basis or Example...

..Which Country?.. U.S.A.....Why?
.

[Anoushka]

Mphasis has been purchased by EDS right? :confused2: yes thamizh, but EDS India is a different entity from EDS Ireland which is different from EDS UK.... Infact they like to complicate things so much that their Global field services in Ireland is a different entity from the SAP team and the Applications team! :)

[Anoushka]

.All the Countries and all the People globally too...

..often quote for anything and everything... as the Yardstick or Basis or Example...

..Which Country?.. U.S.A.....Why?
.

Why? Because the American media only projects the good of America and the bad side of the rest of the world!

Ask any American who has travelled the world and you will know that they themselves agree that USA is not the greatest country in the world! :)

[thamizhvaanan]

.All the Countries and all the People globally too...

..often quote for anything and everything... as the Yardstick or Basis or Example...

..Which Country?.. U.S.A.....Why?
.

Why? Because the American media only projects the good of America and the bad side of the rest of the world!

Ask any American who has travelled the world and you will know that they themselves agree that USA is not the greatest country in the world! :):lol: I dunno how ppl call US a safe country when anyone in that country is entitled to a weapon ... forgot virginia tech shootout? :lol2:

[thamizhvaanan]

Mphasis has been purchased by EDS right? :confused2: yes thamizh, but EDS India is a different entity from EDS Ireland which is different from EDS UK.... Infact they like to complicate things so much that their Global field services in Ireland is a different entity from the SAP team and the Applications team! :)I think they are succesful, enakku onnumey purila :lol:

[Anoushka]

thamizh: they are succesful in confusing people... engaLukke neraya confusion thaan... every six months they change the structure of the company and the staff end up changing their signatures :lol: and a whole load of money is spent on all that!

To make things easy, yes Mphasis is a part of EDS Global structure but EDS Ireland is not the same as Mphasis or vice versa. Does that make sense? :)

[crazy]

Just remember, the people who suffer due to lack of peace are not just you and me - but the poor


i aint laughing at ppl who suffer :roll: but at that country!
I wonder where u got this sense that i was laughing at ppl.....its my ppl who suffers, why on earth should i laugh at them?!


Matravar thuyar kaNdu sirippathu - athu ethriyE Anaalum kooda - oru eenathanamAna seyal enbathu en kolgai en apipraayam.

eenathanamana seyal
wow....no one ever called me this way :notworthy:


Remember a place like this (hub) is like a mirror, no matter how anonymous one tries to remain.

exactly! pls tell urself that ........
i wish u remember what u wrote about my nation......some months back.... :roll: (not that TN fisher tread)

anyway.....nth more to say :wave:

[Rocky_]

Ask any American who has travelled the world and you will know that they themselves agree that USA is not the greatest country in the world!

Of Course! Because there is no Such thing as THE GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD. One can only list the Greatest Nations in the world. USA, Canada, UK being some of them. The Americans who travel a lot would Definatly agree that America is ONE of the Gratest Nations in the World. 8-) And the truth is that America isn't half as bad as ppl in the hub try to project it to be. 8-) For some reason it's become a fashion for ppl to say bad things abt america. :? And the most hilarious thing is that many of them often try for a job here while doing it. :lol2: (Not pointing at anyone here, I don't even know what anyone here does really, it's just a general observation that I've made in Person, with my Relatives/others in India, and the Internet. )


Because the American media only projects the good of America and the bad side of the rest of the world!

I agree! Ameican Media needs some Serious Reform.

But just something to Chew On...Name one Media in the world which isn't Bias..:huh: BBC? They have their own Biases. NDTV? :rotfl: CNN IBN? :? Sun Tv? :lol2: Jeya? Aljazeera? :P

Actually I realy am Curious..:? Is there such a thing as an Unbias Media? TV Stations, News Papers..Anything? :?


I dunno how ppl call US a safe country when anyone in that country is entitled to a weapon ... forgot virginia tech shootout?

:lol: It's almost just as easy to get a gun in India too as far as the rules and regulations go. :lol2: And using the Virginia tech shooting to draw a Conclution abt America's Safety is just a typical thing that ppl who don't really know too much abt America do. America is still one of the Safest Nations in the world. 8-) I don't see how ppl can talk abt America's Safety while living in India, with Terrorist Attacks, High Crime Rate like stealing Kidneys, Communal Violence, Pathetic Border Control, and Unbearably Currupt Police System being a Common thing in Indian News Papers. . :?

America has PISSED the Islamic World off SO MUCH, MORE than ever before after September 11th, but we still haven't had a Terrorist Attack inside Our Borders. What are the Terror Attacks in India? UK? Spain? This says ALOT abt America's Safety. Maybe not the Safest, (the safest would probably be Antarctica, C'mon! How many ppl can Polar Bears Kill? :lol2: ) but one of the Safest For Sure! 8-)

[Rocky_]

If the people are really so good, they would have prevented a MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ, AFGANISTAN etc.
Its again the people who elect the leaders like Bush .

First of All: Afghanistan is Justified. American doesn't Stand around when someone punches their face like India did/does with Pakistan. They supported Terrorist....they deserve it.

Reg Electing Bush: It is those SAME AMERICANS who have now thrown the war hungry Republicans out of House and SENATE, (Basically making them powerless) and giving the House and SENATE to the Democrates who WANT to end teh Iraq War. 8-)

That is why Possiblity of the Republicans winning in the '08 Elections isn't looking so good, because the Majoritiy of the Americans want to vote for teh Dems who claim they will gradually end the "War" in Iraq. So therez something abt the American Ppl. 8-)

[thamizhvaanan]

Rocky,

the point is we dont call ourselves as the safest nation in the world or assume ourselves to be the worlds savior :cool: so no need to draw comparisons with india :lol2:

Ur stance proves that general (if i am allowed to generalize :roll:) american public is in support of this form of neo-colonialism perpetrated by US. Even in this modern era it stuns us to know that a government can use a derogatory word such as "axis of evil" to refer to a set of nations.

So surya, you mean to say, if osama kills innocent ppl, you will also do the same ? dont temme they were targetted at terrorist bases. All aerial attacks are inhuman, be it september 11 or sophisticated self-guided missiles. Some brilliant man put it in right words,
"war for peace is like scr**ing for virginity" :lol2:

[thamizhvaanan]

Surya, I would like you to go through this rather lengthy transcript :roll: with a transparent mind. Come back to voice ur opinions.

http://nmazca.com/verba/roy.htm

[Wibha]

Rocky,

the point is we dont call ourselves as the safest nation in the world or assume ourselves to be the worlds savior :cool: so no need to draw comparisons with india :lol2:

Ur stance proves that general (if i am allowed to generalize :roll:) american public is in support of this form of neo-colonialism perpetrated by US. Even in this modern era it stuns us to know that a government can use a derogatory word such as "axis of evil" to refer to a set of nations.

So surya, you mean to say, if osama kills innocent ppl, you will also do the same ? dont temme they were targetted at terrorist bases. All aerial attacks are inhuman, be it september 11 or sophisticated self-guided missiles. Some brilliant man put it in right words,
"war for peace is like scr**ing for virginity" :lol2:

:thumbsup:

[Rocky_]

so no need to draw comparisons with india

Ur right, A 3rd world nation and a 1st can't be compared, but my point was that there are so many problems in India, but it seems that it's citizens are more focused on pointing @ things in the US. Even in the Hub, there have been more Threads on the Iraq War than Police Curruption or Indian Gangs has there not? :)


Ur stance proves that general (if i am allowed to generalize ) american public is in support of this form of neo-colonialism perpetrated by US. Even in this modern era it stuns us to know that a government can use a derogatory word such as "axis of evil" to refer to a set of nations.

Actually, the Axis of Evil thing isn't even embraced by many Republicans let alone other portions of the US Population. :lol2: Axis of Evil, is like "India Shining" for the BJP. Both parties have been critisized @ some point or the other.


the point is we dont call ourselves as the safest nation in the world

Neither do we, there is no such thing as the safest nation in the world. but it is absurd to say that America isn't Safe. America is ONE of the SAFEST in the world.


All aerial attacks are inhuman, be it september 11 or sophisticated self-guided missiles. dont temme they were targetted at terrorist bases.

I assume that ur talking abt Afghanistan.

They weren't just killing Terrorists in Afghanistan, they were taking down a whole Govt. And it's unfortunate that Innocents Die, but it happens in a WAR. That's why WARS SUCK! That's what makes them bad, if only the ones involved were punished, then war wouldn't even be bad. :cry:

I agree that War Overall is Very Bad, even in India where teh Govt would rather have it's citizens bleed than go to war, there was a war called Cargil (Kargil? however it's spelt) another one to help to B'desh against Pak.

Sometimes there are things that MUST be done, and taking down The Taliban and Al Qieda HAD TO be done.


"war for peace is like scr**ing for virginity"

:lol: Actually I think it's "Bombing For Peace, Is Like Fu*king For Virginity." Also said by an American. 8-)

[Rocky_]

Surya, I would like you to go through this rather lengthy transcript :roll: with a transparent mind. Come back to voice ur opinions.

http://nmazca.com/verba/roy.htm

Sure! :D I'll be back tomm...Have a dinner thingy to attend to @ 9:30. :P

[Rocky_]

Um..Okay, I was supposed to go to my Neighbor's House, but I coulnd't resist, so I started to slightly Skim thru the link u posted Thamiz. :)


But what does the term "anti-American" mean? Does it mean you are anti-jazz? Or that you're opposed to freedom of speech? That you don't delight in Toni Morrison or John Updike? That you have a quarrel with giant sequoias? Does it mean that you don't admire the hundreds of thousands of American citizens who marched against nuclear weapons, or the thousands of war resisters who forced their government to withdraw from Vietnam? Does it mean that you hate all Americans?

This sly conflation of America's culture, music, literature, the breathtaking physical beauty of the land, the ordinary pleasures of ordinary people with criticism of the U.S. government's foreign policy (about which, thanks to America's "free press", sadly most Americans know very little) is a deliberate and extremely effective strategy


I agree with this, I am sort of a republican in one thing. When ppl critisize anything in America it pisses me off. (If they're NOT American, I love Micheal Moore, and he is one of the biggest Critics) Actually a Republican would be pissed even if it was an American. But anywayz, there are many posts in which ppl make fun of American Culture and other aspects of America, which angers me sometimes, but I don't say anything.

But when ppl say things like Americans are all War Hungry etc and all that bullshi*, I say things against it. It's mainly Nakeeran's post which made me post first. I Critisize America's Foreign Policy too (maybe not here, but when with friends and discussing abt politics I do) I hate Bush too. There are many who are like that.

Is everyone that voted for Karunanithi Anti-Hindu? I don't think so. Same Logic here too.

Also, saying American isn't a Safe Place, or even that it isn't one of the Safest places in the world isn't accurate. It is one of teh Safest Nations in the world.

In that paragraph, She says, that just because they critisize US's Foreign Policy doesn't mean they are Anti-American. There isn't a prob when ppl critisize America's Foreign Policy, the majority of Americans are doing that right now which is why the Repubs lost the House and Senate. But there is a problem when ppl start saying untrue things abt the US as a Nation, and it's Citizens.

How a country takes care of it's Citizens is a big piece of the Criteria Pie when talking abt how great it is. And how America takes care of it's Citizens here is Unarguable. It's Excellent. Which is also what I had in mind when I said America is one of the greatest nations in the world.

Sure I said Greatest, but that's because I was raised with Nationalism. Greatest is Nationalism (like i said in reality there is no Greatest nation)

One of the Greatest Nations, is the Truth. 8-)

It's 9:40 And now I"m late for Dinner. :shaking:

C ya Tomm :wave:

[Anoushka]

Rocky: I think, for a start we have to define "great" before saying naming any country as the "Greatest"!.

I agree that I was one of those people who were looking for a job in US, but that was years ago... I started travelling around the world and when you do that, your outlook widens and you start thinking on what is your priority in life.

Believe it or not, I've decided that I can visit US as a tourist, but I cannot live and work there because there is so much in US that doesn't fit into my "Great place to live" list. But that does not mean that it is not a great place, it just means that I don't think that it is not great enough for me to make it my home!

Just because US, UK, Cannada are super powers or are rich doesn't make them great.

And as for media, yes each one of them is biased. The only difference is that in some parts of the world, you have a choice... you can hear two sides of the story from two different channels / newspapers, where as in US everyone tells the same story!

[Rocky_]

Believe it or not, I've decided that I can visit US as a tourist, but I cannot live and work there because there is so much in US that doesn't fit into my "Great place to live" list.

Well, that's ur personal Choice. :) But according to u, what makes a country great? Which UK US and Canada doesn't have? To me, the biggest portion is how the country takes care of it's Citizens, and how the Country has maintained it. (Air/Water Pollution etc) So I'd put Canada, UK and the US in the Greatest Nations List along with a few other.


And as for media, yes each one of them is biased. The only difference is that in some parts of the world, you have a choice... you can hear two sides of the story from two different channels / newspapers, where as in US everyone tells the same story!


Sadly yes! :( But that's also why the majority of the politically aware Americans have started to get their news from BBC. Even though they have their own biases as well. :P

[thamizhvaanan]

First of All: Afghanistan is Justified. American doesn't Stand around when someone punches their face like India did/does with Pakistan. They supported Terrorist....they deserve it. Seems like majority of the americans beleive so... so we are justified in our accusation :lol2:

To answer you, I will quote from my link:

Everyday I'm taken aback at how many people believe that opposing the war in Afghanistan amounts to supporting terrorism, of voting for the Taliban. Now that the initial aim of the war - capturing Osama bin Laden (dead or alive) - seems to have run into bad weather, the goalposts have been moved. It's being made out that the whole point of the war was to topple the Taliban regime and liberate Afghan women from their burqas, we are being asked to believe that the U.S. marines are actually on a feminist mission [laughter, applause]. (If so, will their next stop be America's military ally Saudi Arabia?) [Laughter] Think of it this way: in India there are some pretty reprehensible social practices against "untouchables", against Christians and Muslims, against women. Pakistan and Bangladesh have even worse ways of dealing with minority communities and women. Should they be bombed? Should Delhi, Islamabad and Dhaka be destroyed? Is it possible to bomb bigotry out of India? Can we bomb our way to a feminist paradise? [Laughter] Is that how women won the vote in the U.S? Or how slavery was abolished? Can we win redress for the genocide of the millions of Native Americans upon whose corpses the United States was founded by bombing Santa Fe? [Applause]

[thamizhvaanan]

And regarding the iraqi war, do u beleive that america is the true saviour which saved lives of iraqi ppl from saddam hussein? One more quote to make :D


The U.S. government says that Saddam Hussein is a war criminal, a cruel military despot who has committed genocide against his own people. That's a fairly accurate description of the man. In 1988, Saddam Hussein razed hundreds of villages in northern Iraq, used chemical weapons and machine guns to kill thousands of Kurdish people. Today we know that that same year the U.S. government provided him with $500 million in subsidies to buy American farm products. The next year, after he had successfully completed his genocidal campaign, the U.S. government doubled its subsidy to $1 billion. It also provided him with high quality germ seed for anthrax, and helicopters and dual-use material that could be used to manufacture chemical and biological weapons. So it turns out that while Saddam Hussein was carrying out his worst atrocities, the U.S. and the U.K. governments were his close allies.

So what changed? In 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. His sin was not so much that he had committed an act of war, but that he had acted independently, without orders from his master. This display of independence was enough to upset the power equation in the Gulf. So it was decided that Saddam Hussein be exterminated, like a pet that has outlived its owner's affection.

The first Allied attack on Iraq took place on January '91. The world watched the prime-time war as it was played out on T.V. (In India in those days you had to go to a five-star hotel lobby to watch CNN.) Tens of thousands of people were killed in a month of devastating bombing. What many do not know is that the war never ended then. The initial fury simmered down into the longest sustained air attack on a country since the Vietman War. Over the last decade American and British forces have fired thousands of missiles and bombs on Iraq. In the decade of economic sanctions that followed the war, Iraqi civilians have been denied food, medicine, hospital equipment, ambulances, clean water - the basic essentials.

About half a million Iraqi children have died as a result of the sanctions. Of them, Madeleine Albright, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, famously said, "It's a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it." "Moral equivalence" was the term that was used to denounce those of us who criticized the war on Afghanistan. Madeleine Albright cannot be accused of moral equivalence. What she said was just straightforward algebra.

A decade of bombing has not managed to dislodge Saddam Hussein, "the Beast of Baghdad". Now, almost 12 years on, President George Bush, Jr. has ratcheted up the rhetoric once again. He's proposing an all-out war whose goal is nothing short of a regime change. The New York Times says that the Bush administration is following, quote, "a meticulously planned strategy to persuade the public, the Congress, and the Allies of the need to confront the threat of Saddam Hussein." Andrew. H. Card, Jr., the White House Chief of Staff, described how the administration was stepping up its war plans for the fall, and I quote, "From a marketing point of view", he said, "you don't introduce new products in August." This time the catch-phrase for Washington's "new product" is not the plight of Kuwaiti people but the assertion that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. "Forget the feckless moralizing of peace lobbies", wrote Richard Perle, a former advisor to President Bush, "We need to get him before he gets us."

Weapons inspectors have conflicting reports of the status of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and many have said clearly that its arsenal has been dismantled and that it does not have the capacity to build one. However, there is no confusion over the extent and range of America's arsenal of nuclear and chemical weapons. Would the U.S. government welcome weapons inspectors? Would the U.K.? Or Israel?

What if Iraq does have a nuclear weapon, does that justify a pre-emptive U.S. strike? The U.S. has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world and it's the only country in the world to have actually used them on civilian populations. If the U.S. is justified in launching a pre-emptive strike on Iraq, why, then any nuclear power is justified in carrying out a pre- emptive strike on any other. India could attack Pakistan, or the other way around. If the U.S. government develops a distaste for, say, the Indian Prime Minister, can it just "take him out" with a pre-emptive strike?

[Sudhaama]

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.NO DIGRESSION please

Dear Friends,

I am sorry, I am repeatedly reminding all of you that...

... this is NOT THE THREAD.. for discussing Politics in any country.

Why again and again dragging in... the Rights and Wrongs of Iraqi war... and the like??????

If any of you are so particular on that aspect only... please raise up in any other relevant thread..

..or OPEN A NEW THREAD.. and go on there.. as you like it.

Here please confine to the Common factors... People, Living-conditions, Interesting messages, Unique Law of the land, Unusual features, Tourist interests, Employment and Business Opportunities... etc...

..as RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC..

.. as can be seen right from the start... about various Nations.

I request you... please.
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[Nakeeran]

Chief Sudhama

Pls allow us to exchange views on US & its policies ( EXTERNAL )

This topic would have not gone to another direction if you had not projected about US in such a high esteem

For us Indians, we feel quite disgusting about US and its external policies. Dont say that this has no connection with the thread. I repeat, its the people who elect their representatives and unfortunately, the american citizens elect only blood sucking presidents like Bush whose sole intention / agenda is to destroy countries across the world by their ridiculous foreign policy

Do you have any single explanation for american policy on IRAQ ?? forget it whether Saddam was good or an evil guy. What right you US guys have in another nation ??

So, if India makes any move which is not in sync with US , will you invade us ???

[Roshan]

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This topic would have not gone to another direction if you had not projected about US in such a high esteem


I agree with Nakeeran !!

And Nakeeran,

It's not only invations - US's ugly hand is under many other matters. I dont know if you had heard of electronic weather control mechanisms tried and implemented by the US as another destructing tool.

Some say the rain is being turned on and off by an irritated and vengeful God. In reality, however, it is Man who is playing God and doing the dirty work. None of this is illusory or accidental, for there is powerful and compelling evidence that the bizarre weather patterns of recent years have been - to a very large degree - engineered, controlled, and influenced by both the Russian and American governments. It's all based on the works of the super mind of Nikola Tesla. The search for the mastery of the elements that began with Nikola Tesla in the late 1800s, involving the transmission of electrical energy through space, has now become a reality.


The US Patents office so far has issued patents for;


- a method increasing the likelihood of precipitation be the artificial introduction of sea water vapor into the atmospher, .

- a system for irradiation of planet surface areas.

- a weather modification method.

- a sattelite weather modification system

In 1978, the United States launched an experiment which created a downpour of rain over six countries of northern Wisconsin. The storm generated winds of 175 miles per hour and caused fifty million dollars damages.

Russians, to date, have completed nearly 30 of the huge transmitters which emit signals primarily in the very dangerous 10-Hertz range, otherwise known as Extreme Low Frequency (referred as ELF system). The technology again is based on the brilliant work of the peerless electrical genius, Nikola Tesla. These huge transmitters that form high-pressure blocking systems that can change weather patterns around the world. ‘ELF’ waves started in the early 1980s and strange weather patterns began to occur with unusual droughts, flooding and storms.

Considering the danger involved with such mechanisms, that may be used for hostile purposes, in 1977, a UN Treaty against "weather modification for hostile purposes" was signed by the United States and Russia.

In spite of signing the UN Treaty, the United States continues its work in building a huge weather experimental complex called HAARP, in a remote part of Alaska. :evil: :x :twisted:
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[podalangai]

Wouldn't that lead to a political discussion, which will get this thread locked? :sigh2:

[Shakthiprabha.]

Thanks all :ty:

This thread is GRIPPING.

Anou ur IRELAND post was interesting.

I found rocky's defensive post too interesting again!

I ve not stepped out of INDIA, for ppl like me, who dont have much to contribute, THIS THREAD is a cool thread. We do silently drop in and READ all ur posts.

so plz keep posting.

[Shakthiprabha.]

It would be nice if all of u write a COOL WRITE UP about ur country (like anou)

its informative!!

[Roshan]

Wouldn't that lead to a political discussion, which will get this thread locked? :sigh2:

True - but projecting a country - specially a country like US as the great, greatest etc - wud have this kind of unavoidable repurcussions, I feel.

[Sudhaama]

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.U.S. President elected to GOVERN the Nation.


Chief Sudhama

Pls allow us to exchange views on US & its policies ( EXTERNAL )

My Dear Nakeera... I bow down for your immense affection and high regard for me.

So I duly honour your opinions, views and feelings... which makes me take interest to reply you... even though it means serving Non-Veg. menu... in a Veg. Restaurant.



// This topic would have not gone to another direction if you had not projected about US in such a high esteem //

Yes Yes.. I repeatedly affirm that US is the Greatest amongst the Great Nations of the World today.... I mean it sincerely by sense.

My intention was not to give a long lecture at a stretch...

...but to justify in detail... point by point... in reply to the questions and doubts from all friends here... step by step..

...true to the scope of a forum open for all.

If somebody starts telling that "Thirukkuralh is a Tamil-Bible"...

...you or anybody else may perhaps differ on such a concept itself. But can you pounce on that Author saying...

.."You are Wrong.. I do not agree?"

Then will it not mean that you are of PRE-CONCEIVED NOTIONS?..and Not Open-minded enough...

... to consider divergent thoughts in a FRIENDLY-MEET...common in a forum like this

Instead what is expected of any RIGHT-THINKING participant would be to ask why and how... as also put forth his/her views pro or anti.



// For us Indians, we feel quite disgusting about US and its external policies. Dont say that this has no connection with the thread. //

I raised this point on US.. intentionally to put forth the other side...

...the NON-POLITICAL face of America, mainly its people...

..the Healthy Example for the present day Humanity.

Especially for the sake of POLITICAL-MINDED Indians... the Sick-minded.



//I repeat, its the people who elect their representatives and unfortunately, the american citizens elect only blood sucking presidents like Bush whose sole intention / agenda is to destroy countries across the world by their ridiculous foreign policy//

Any President of America is elected NOT FOR THE SAKE OF FOREIGN POLICY.. as the core issue...

... but to Govern the Nation... taking care of its people in all respects, with Far-sightedness..

..One of the concerns of the people is the Foreign policy... not more.

Two main points.. you have to know.. You are talking in Indian angle that too with Indian political mind.

I am also an Indian... widely travelled, resided in foreign countries.. moved closely with people of various hues and colours... and status rungs.

So I am able to ADMIRE THE GEATNESS OF USA...

.. because I am not Political-minded as we see the present day Indians... IN INDIA.

Unlike Indians in India... (the Great Nation with a pride of Largest Independant Nation of Democracy)..

.. American people are not at all Political-minded... Most of the people are not attached to any Political party.

Only at the time Voting for election...

...they apply their mind towards Politics.. and the next moment after they forget it.

Because the people here... highly believe the spirit of democracy.. and so the American President has been vested with enormous powers... even Veto..

.. which sort of Supreme might and freedom... no other ruler of any nation possesses.

But he is promptly questioned at every stage... by the People representatives, which the President has to explain openly.

One important concept of American people... the GOLDEN LAW for the Global Mankind...

The Interests of the Regional Society is greater than that of an Individual citizen...

... and the Interests of the National Society is Greater than that of any Regional interests.

So without peace in the world.. there cannot be peace in the Nation...

.. any Threats to vitiate Peace anywhere in the world...will escalate to our Nation one day..

.. hence for the sake of Self-defence... sometimes we may have to resort to Offensive approach... according to War-strategy.

These principles they strongly believe... to the highest degree when compared to any other National in the World.

It is the Political ruling party which decides.. further... everytime convincing the opponents in the Govt bodies.

Please don't forget.. Americans give much importance for the human-loss of its people...

..more than the Financial or other sorts of losses.

And you know... as on date...

...the number of Americans who have died so far in Iraq war is about 5000.

.. the number of Seriously injured or Handicapped is about 7000.

What did they gain out of it?

This does not mean.. that I support the American Invasion on Iraq.

I only mean that the Peoples mind may be different from the Govt's foreign policy decisions time to time....

.. similar to a sincere Family-member trusting the Father the Head of the Family.



// Do you have any single explanation for american policy on IRAQ ?? forget it whether Saddam was good or an evil guy. What right you US guys have in another nation ??//

I am not inerested in American politics... nor of any country. Because I am a common man of Social outlook..

... taking interest about Politics.. only at the time of Voting for the Election.



//So, if India makes any move which is not in sync with US , will you invade us ???//

Such questions are being asked even by the American people... especially the Opposition parties in the Senate.

In my future postings, will elaborate in detail...

...justifying how I mean USA is the Greatest amongst the Great Nations today.

One point in brief..

Just one Photo of Vietnam-warfield...

..with the background of heavy bombardment... one Vietnamese Girl-child about 7 years, naked... crying lonely...

..SHOCKED THE WHOLE AMERICAN PEOPLE... who unanimously stood up... to vociferously cry aloud in protest to the then President Mr Johnson...

..which eventually ended the Vietnam War...

...as also costed him his President post... in the subseqent President-election.

That Photo is so much MOVING... for any Human.

.. I write this with UNCONTROLLABLE TEARS... Believe it or Not.

Oh God. Did You create us to...FIGHT amongst OURSELVES?
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[Nakeeran]

Oh great post Roshan about that info. on electronic weather control mechanisms !

The Americans have systematically decimated their so called foes . They dared to touch even India when Pokran neuclear news came out.

What a paradox !! The americans have amassed huge reserves of neuclear weapons but they will question other countries !!

And there are people here who admire the double edged sword policy of american citizens !!

Americans always support Israel for their own vested interests . Simple their blood brothers are there no !!

One end, they will send that Condelenza rice for diplomatic ties to both countries and the other hand they will give arms to Pakistan .

Again, its the american people who support all these .

Good that atleast there are countries like china who bother a least about the might of America. Unfortunately India is not that strong enough to counter American policies. India always play DIPLOMATIC SILENCE .

[Sudhaama]

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Dear Nakeera,

Have you seen my reply to you?. Please comment with an Open-mind...

...Not Indianised POLITICAL MIND.
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[Nakeeran]

Sorry . Our posts got crossed apparently. Will go through . Good night

[Anoushka]

Believe it or not, I've decided that I can visit US as a tourist, but I cannot live and work there because there is so much in US that doesn't fit into my "Great place to live" list.

Well, that's ur personal Choice. :) But according to u, what makes a country great? Which UK US and Canada doesn't have? To me, the biggest portion is how the country takes care of it's Citizens, and how the Country has maintained it. (Air/Water Pollution etc) So I'd put Canada, UK and the US in the Greatest Nations List along with a few other.



Considering what you said, then I would rate Scandinavia or most European countries a great place surely not US...

A great place to live is...

Not a country where there is less public transport and more cars on the road (more cars increase carbon foot print/pollution, etc).

Not a country where you can't get admitted to a hospital without health insurance (in most European countries health sector is not expensive and government takes care of atleast some amount of payment for health care)... For my pregnancy, I've paid 52 Euros to my GP so far... that was for my first visit, since then everything has been free. All my consulting visits to the hospital, my scanning, my hospital stay when I was very sick, etc have been taken care of and everything till 6 weeks after delivery is free. This includes all ante-natal classes, scans, etc.

Not a country where the unemployed are not taken care of. Most European countries pay unemployment money. They have places to register, retrain themselves (either free of cost or for a nominal fee) and try and get back into work.

Not a country where the employees get only 10 days annual holidays.

And again I find the education system in most European countries are much much better than the US.

From what I've heard so far, Australia also is like Europe, a good place to live....

[Rocky_]

Seems like majority of the americans beleive so... so we are justified in our accusation

That statement which I said that the Taliban were Guilty, so they deserved it has nothing to do with ur accusation that America is Was Hungry. Soodu Soranai illatha thanam thaan not being war hungry-ya? :lol2:


Everyday I'm taken aback at how many people believe that opposing the war in Afghanistan amounts to supporting terrorism, of voting for the Taliban. Now that the initial aim of the war - capturing Osama bin Laden (dead or alive) - seems to have run into bad weather, the goalposts have been moved. It's being made out that the whole point of the war was to topple the Taliban regime and liberate Afghan women from their burqas, we are being asked to believe that the U.S. marines are actually on a feminist mission [laughter, applause]. (If so, will their next stop be America's military ally Saudi Arabia?) [Laughter] Think of it this way: in India there are some pretty reprehensible social practices against "untouchables", against Christians and Muslims, against women. Pakistan and Bangladesh have even worse ways of dealing with minority communities and women. Should they be bombed? Should Delhi, Islamabad and Dhaka be destroyed? Is it possible to bomb bigotry out of India? Can we bomb our way to a feminist paradise? [Laughter] Is that how women won the vote in the U.S? Or how slavery was abolished? Can we win redress for the genocide of the millions of Native Americans upon whose corpses the United States was founded by bombing Santa Fe? [Applause]

:? :?

None of thes countries' Govts supported a Terror Group as big and dangerous as Al Qieda. :?


Now that the initial aim of the war - capturing Osama bin Laden (dead or alive) - seems to have run into bad weather, the goalposts have been moved.

The Goalposts were never moved. Capturing Osama Bin Laden wasn't the Sole Intention of teh Afghan War. :confused2: It was also to take down the Radical Regime of the Taliban which harbored the Al Qeida who perpetrated the Attack in New York. 8-)

And why should Delhi and Islamabad be bombed?! Did musharaff or Vajpayee or Manmohan Singh help Al Qieda or Osama Bin Laden Financially to carry out September 11th? :lol2: I sure hope not..:lol2:

There were Feminist groups in America Condemning the Atrocities on Women in Muslim Countries, and India even before September 11th.

But after September 11th it was on the Cover of Every news magazine, because it Concerned us more than ever before. He was the Enemy, and he had to be exposed to get support back home. (This stragedy worked with Afghanistan, because it was true, it failed with Iraq, because it wasn't true. That's why even now not many Americans Oppose the Afghan war, but most oppose the Iraq War)

I don't see why it is expected that America should just stand there and take a beating from Terrorists and not do anyhting abt it like it's India or something. :?


do u beleive that america is the true saviour which saved lives of iraqi ppl from saddam hussein?

I don't support or have a small shred of a positive Opinion abt the Iraq War.

[Rocky_]

Not a country where there is less public transport and more cars on the road (more cars increase carbon foot print/pollution, etc).

A lot of cars here are Eco Friendly, just not enough. Also the Public Transportation here is very Dependable, ppl just prefer cars, and have the money to buy them (Cars are quite Cheap here) so that's why there are more cars on the street. But a person can easily depend on Public Transportation for their whole life here. 8-)


Not a country where you can't get admitted to a hospital without health insurance

U don't need Health Insurance to be admitted. U will be given the care that u need. U just have to pay for it afterwards which is expencive, which is why anyone with the minimal amount of braincells gets Health Insurance.

It is by law, that the Employer MUST Provide health insurance to his employee no matter what job he does if he works the average amount of hours a week. 8-)


Not a country where the unemployed are not taken care of.

Unemployment ppl get paid here also. It ranges from 6 months to a year of free pay for basic expences each month. There are other exceptions also. If the person doesn't find a way to feed himself after that year, then he is left on his own. 8-) Also America gives more Welfare (Basically Free Money) to the Homeless (here it's basically ppl who choose to be lazy and not work, because America is The Land Of Oppertunities, there is no reason to be living off of wellfare. Like I said, it takes care of it's ppl) than most nations on the Globe.


And again I find the education system in most European countries are much much better than the US.

I agree, America dosn't stand up to the some of the European Countries in Education. (Pre-College) But that doesn't mean it's Atrocious. Public Education in the US is still far better than most.

So The only things that are stopping you from putting the US as one of the Greatest nations is Little public Holidays, and a Good but not Excellent Pre College Educational System?

[Rocky_]

The Reasons I'd Put America as One of the Greatest Nations (If not The Greatest) in the world.

* The Economy. 8-)
* The Freedom, and The Rights which it gives it's Citizens which very few if any other nation in the world gives.
* Air and Water Pollution is Kept to a Minimum Insignificant Level if any.
* The People here for the most part are very warm and Friendly. (Xept in New York, and Texas! :lol2: ) Which is why I'm scared over how I'm gonna live in Chennai for 5 years when i attend medical School. :cry: The Average Chennaite isn't teh Average Hubber Unfortunatly. From my expierence, they're insanly Hostile, and have some strange Insomniac Manifestations which make them Rude and a bit untolerable. :shaking: But maybe I just haven't met the right kinda ppl...:confused2: I find ppl in Coimbature, and B'lore to be a Lot Lot Better. :) Then again, maybe I just got lucky and met the right ppl from there. :? Maybe most chennaities are friendly like Chennai hubbers. Or maybe the Heat just keeps ppl In Chennai @ a point where they can burst any moment. :P
* It is The Land Of Oppertunities. There is very little that one cannot do here to Come Up in life in a straight way.
* Freedom that ppl have here. Groups of ppl who are butchered, Murdered, and Hung for what they are have the freedom to be what they want in Present America like Homosexuals for Example. Even though the present Conservative Xtian Govt tries to infringe on their rights, it is only here and a few European nations where they aren't persecuted for what they are. Homosexuals are just an Example.
*Lack of Curruption which the Average Citizen has to face in their lifetime. When I was in India, i felt like throwing up when I heard abt the unwritten rules for living in India. Even for the Smallest Things to teh biggest things, Curruption has rooted itself in. Sure few countries are as bad as India in Curruption, but Only few countries are as low in Curruption in day-day life as America as well. 8-)
* Just Everything. When a person lives here day to day there are VERY LITTLE things to Complain abt. 8-) Which isn't true for most of the world. 8-) God Bless America.

[Rocky_]

Yes Yes.. I repeatedly affirm that US is the Greatest amongst the Great Nations of the World today.... I mean it sincerely by sense.

YEA-UH!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

America Is The Greatest Nation In The World! All The Other Nations Are Run By Little Girls! - Courtesy of BORAT from Kazakstan! :rotfl: Obviously I'm JK abt the little girls! :P


...you or anybody else may perhaps differ on such a concept itself. But can you pounce on that Author saying...

.."You are Wrong.. I do not agree?"

Good Point. 8-)


I raised this point on US.. intentionally to put forth the other side...

...the NON-POLITICAL face of America, mainly its people...

..the Healthy Example for the present day Humanity.

Especially for the sake of POLITICAL-MINDED Indians... the Sick-minded.

:clap: :clap: 8-) :smokesmirk:


Any President of America is elected NOT FOR THE SAKE OF FOREIGN POLICY.. as the core issue...

... but to Govern the Nation... taking care of its people in all respects, with Far-sightedness..

..One of the concerns of the people is the Foreign policy... not more.


Which is why I brought the DMK Scenerio to try and make Nakee understand, but he doesn't seem to get it. :?

Two main points.. you have to know.. You are talking in Indian angle that too with Indian political mind.

I am also an Indian... widely travelled, resided in foreign countries.. moved closely with people of various hues and colours... and status rungs.

So I am able to ADMIRE THE GEATNESS OF USA...


:D :notworthy:


Unlike Indians in India... (the Great Nation with a pride of Largest Independant Nation of Democracy)..

.. American people are not at all Political-minded... Most of the people are not attached to any Political party.


:yes: Most of us are Moderate. 8-) We're not all Democrats, and not all Republicans.


And you know... as on date...

...the number of Americans who have died so far in Iraq war is about 5000.

.. the number of Seriously injured or Handicapped is about 7000.

What did they gain out of it?


:cry: :cry: :cry:


Such questions are being asked even by the American people... especially the Opposition parties in the Senate.


Which is why the Republicans Lost HOUSE and SENATE making them Virtually Useless. 8-)


..SHOCKED THE WHOLE AMERICAN PEOPLE... who unanimously stood up... to vociferously cry aloud in protest to the then President Mr Johnson...

..which eventually ended the Vietnam War...

...as also costed him his President post... in the subseqent President-election.


Critics of America Convieniently sweep this under the Carpet for some odd reason. :?

Excellent Post Sudhamma JI! :D :clap: :D :clap: :D

There..I think that's enough Emoticons to last a Lifetime! :rotfl:

[Nakeeran]

American economy is not that great today . Ofcourse it was dominant in the previous century but no longer.
Asians soon will wipe out US in this by a clear margin.
Even europe was very keen to move out of Dollar economy and hence created the concept of EURO which has already OVERTAKEN DOLLAR BY A FAIR DISTANCE.
Everwhere , Dollar has taken a heavy pounding vis a vis euro and has to sound approach to counter this real threat.

American products have a huge brand equity. This is one fact which needs appreciation BUT AT WHAT COST ?? take for example the pepsis and the coca colas ... What is the real utility behind these colas ? THEY ARE REALLY WORTH WASHING YOUR DIRTY LINEN AND CLEANING UP UTENSILS....NOT TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST... the americans have been VERY OPPORTUNISTIC IN THIS. Mr. Sudhama somewhere mentioned that US is a land of OPPORTUNITIES. Not so ... it is actually a land of OPPOURTUNISTS.

Sudhama highlighted about VIetnam war and how the country backed out. WHY THE WAR AT THE FIRST INSTANCE. WHERE DID THEIR BRAINS GO WHEN THE WAR WAS CREATED BY THEM ?? Why the hell the countrymen did not stop the war at the first instance ?? If they had prevented the war, more disaster could have been averted

Coming on 9/11... probably the country had not faced a crisis of such magnitude. The people of America should realize that across the world, especially countries like India, such things are DAY TO DAY AFFAIRS. there are plenty such happened and happening like zaveri bazaar blasts, gateway of india blasts, mumbai train blasts and parliament attacks. BUT INDIA WILL NOT GO TO THE EXTENT OF INVADING PAKISTAN FOR THIS . Why why ? becaz of US support.

This country US supports terrorism tacitly and help giving arms to Pakistan while they will be sending Condolenza rice for DIPLOMACY . What a paradox !!

ONLY US AND ITS CITIZENS WILL PLAY SUCH DOUBLE GAMES.

More to come .... :twisted:

[Nakeeran]

Someone spoke about how americans treat visitors / foreigners.

THE WAY THEY TREATED SIKHS , POST 9/11 IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THEIR CULTURE AND TOLERANCE. Not even in pakistan or afgan, such inhuman treatment will happen.

[thamiz]

This country US supports terrorism tacitly and help giving arms to Pakistan while they will be sending Condolenza rice for DIPLOMACY . What a paradox !!

ONLY US AND ITS CITIZENS WILL PLAY SUCH DOUBLE GAMES.

More to come .... :twisted:

Well, nakkeeran I am told thamiz pulikaL were illegally trained by us in India (TN). Later, India sent out IPKF to control the same legally.

Is this a single game or double game?

Educate me, please! Thanks! 8-)

[thamizhvaanan]

America Is The Greatest Nation In The World! All The Other Nations Are Run By Little Girls! - Courtesy of BORAT from Kazakstan!
Rocky!!!! That was sarcastic in the film :rotfl: ... :omg: u missed the whole pt :rotfl2:

Nakeerar'ey, did u read today's paper? US against india reprocessing nuclear fuel for CIVILIAN PURPOSES :lol2: .

[Rocky_]

America Is The Greatest Nation In The World! All The Other Nations Are Run By Little Girls! - Courtesy of BORAT from Kazakstan!
Rocky!!!! That was sarcastic in the film :rotfl: ... :omg: u missed the whole pt :rotfl2:


:rotfl2: Umm...No I didn't...because in the Movie he says "Kazakstan Is The Greatest Nation In The World!" etc etc. :lol2: Which is what made if funny since he was in the midst of Texans. Like I said before, watch teh movie again! :lol2:

[Rocky_]

Someone spoke about how americans treat visitors / foreigners.

THE WAY THEY TREATED SIKHS , POST 9/11 IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THEIR CULTURE AND TOLERANCE. Not even in pakistan or afgan, such inhuman treatment will happen.

:rotfl2: Excellent! Why don't u judge every Indian in India from The Gujarat Riots then!? :rotfl: This clearly shows that u actually don't have an idea abt Americans. :lol: So I guess that All Hindus in India are Blood Thirsty Vampires then? Atlest here, it was just harrasment in One Section of teh Country. :lol2: Unfortunatly that's not the case with Gujarat. :oops:

[Rocky_]

Asians soon will wipe out US in this by a clear margin.


:rotfl: May we please not have any Predictions through Nutty Perminitions. :lol2:

Although, Asia's Economy is doing very well, and America's has slowed down due to the Iraq War. Which won't always be the case! 8-)

Still...America is the Most Powerful Nation in the World! That hasn't changed because of the Iraq War. Once the Iraq War is over, iow, soon after the Democrates come to power, America will be growing again! :clap:

Do keep in mind, that America was @ it's Best Economically during Clinton's Era. 8-) Democrates have a tendency of uplifting the nation. 8-)


THEY ARE REALLY WORTH WASHING YOUR DIRTY LINEN AND CLEANING UP UTENSILS....NOT TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST... the americans have been VERY OPPORTUNISTIC IN THIS.

Then why do ppl still buy it and drink it? :confused2: This is actually a quesiton that I ask to ppl here too....I don't drink Coke or Pepsi either. It's like Thumbsup, Mirinda, GoldSPot etc in India.Why do Indians Drnk those either?


Not so ... it is actually a land of OPPOURTUNISTS.


This is a statement made in Haste by a very emotional person rather than fact or the Truth. :lol2: There are so many ppl, I personally know 4 from school, who came to the US with $50 and are now very well off, because of the Oppertunities this Country has given them. So Pah-Leese!! :lol2:


WHY THE WAR AT THE FIRST INSTANCE. WHERE DID THEIR BRAINS GO WHEN THE WAR WAS CREATED BY THEM ?? Why the hell the countrymen did not stop the war at the first instance ??

To help the Vietnam that was being Invaded. 8-) How is it any of their business? How is it any of India's Beezwax when Pak tried to Invade Bangladesh? Why did Indira Gandhi intervene? :huh:

And BTW, there were protests @ earlier in the war, they just worsened later forcing the Prez to pull out. The Same americans also made sure that he lost the next election. 8-)

So there is ur answer Nakkee! :lol2:


More to come .... :twisted:

Hope that they atleast make some sense! 8-)

[mgb]

Rocky.. Was the way in which US govt alerted its citizens on Katherina (New Orelans) and subsequent handling of the victims were perfectly ok :shock: I am asking this to know how what an average US citizen's take on that disaster :)

[thamizhvaanan]

the Taliban were Guilty, so they deserved it But who paid the price? :?

If america is not war-hungry, why is it spending billions on its defense research? why is it that it is having more WMDs than any other nation on the face of earth... to kill the single hijacker who comes with a knife to hijack a plane? It is known that US has the only existing samples of anthrax (bio weapon). Why shud it support such WMDs if it is not interested in killing innocent ppl. Not that america has shown particular prudence in the usage of such weapons. US, till date is the only nation to have used a nuclear weapon to wipe out a city. A MASSACRE!!!

The fact remains that "The worlds most peaceful nation" has been at war with one country or other for the past fifty years.

[Hey Ram]

America war hungry :rotfl:

[Rocky_]

Rocky.. Was the way in which US govt alerted its citizens on Katherina (New Orelans) and subsequent handling of the victims were perfectly ok :shock: I am asking this to know how what an average US citizen's take on that disaster :)

Actually, that's the only thing which the present administration has done wrong when it comes to treatment of US Citizens. The way that disaster was handled put the whole nation at shock. It's one of the things that the Present Administration has going agaisnt it in the forth election.

But this is just one of those things. Something that happens once in a blue moon. I don't even remember the last time when something like this was handled the way it was. U can't really judge anything based on that.

But to answer ur question, the Average American IS NOT pleased with the way the whole Katrina Fiasco was Handled. But this is something that happens So Rarely, that it isn't really somethng to even consider when thinking abt how the country takes care of its' citizens. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

Twenty-nine years ago, in Chile, on the 11th of September 1973, General Pinochet overthrew the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in a CIA-backed coup. "Chile should not be allowed to go Marxist just because its people are irresponsible," said Henry Kissinger, Nobel Peace Laureate, then the U.S. Secretary of State.

After the coup President Allende was found dead inside the presidential palace. Whether he was killed or whether he killed himself, we'll never know. In the regime of terror that ensured, thousands of people were killed. Many more simply "disappeared". Firing squads conducted public executions. Concentration camps and torture chambers were opened across the country. The dead were buried in mine shafts and unmarked graves. For seventeen years the people of Chile lived in dread of the midnight knock, of routine "disappearances", of sudden arrest and torture. Chileans tell the story of how the musician Victor Jara had his hands cut off in front of a crowd in the Santiago stadium. Before they shot him, Pinochet's soldiers threw his guitar at him and mockingly asked him to play.

In 1999, following the arrest of General Pinochet in Britain, thousands of secret documents were declassified by the U.S. government. They contain unequivocal evidence of the CIA's involvement in the coup as well as the fact that the U.S. government had detailed information about the situation in Chile during General Pinochet's reign. Yet, Kissinger assured the general of his support: "In the United States as you know, we are sympathetic to what you're trying to do," he said. "We wish your government well."

Those of us who have only ever known life in a democracy, however flawed, would find it hard to imagine what living in a dictatorship and enduring the absolute loss of freedom means. It isn't just those who Pinochet murdered, but the lives he stole from the living that must be accounted for too.

Sadly, Chile was not the only country in South America to be singled out for the U.S. government's attentions. Guatemala, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, El Salvador, Peru, Mexico and Colombia - they've all been the playground for covert - and overt - operations by the CIA. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been killed, tortured or have simply disappeared under the despotic regimes that were propped up in their countries. If this were not humiliation enough, the people of South America have had to bear the cross of being branded as people who are incapable of democracy - as if coups and massacres are somehow encrypted in their genes.

This list does not, of course, include countries in Africa or Asia that suffered U.S. military interventions - Vietnam, Korea, Indonesia, Laos, and Cambodia. For how many Septembers for decades together have millions of Asian people been bombed, and burned, and slaughtered? How many Septembers have gone by since August 1945, when hundreds of thousands of ordinary Japanese people were obliterated by the nuclear strikes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? For how many Septembers have the thousands who had the misfortune of surviving those strikes endured that living hell that was visited on them, their unborn children, their children's children, on the earth, the sky, the water, the wind, and all the creatures that swim and walk and crawl and fly? Not far from here, in Albuquerque, is the National Atomic Museum where Fat Man and Little Boy (the affectionate nicknames for the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki) were available as souvenir earrings. Funky young people wore them. A massacre dangling in each ear.

[Hey Ram]

American economy is not that great today . Ofcourse it was dominant in the previous century but no longer.
Asians soon will wipe out US in this by a clear margin.
Even europe was very keen to move out of Dollar economy and hence created the concept of EURO which has already OVERTAKEN DOLLAR BY A FAIR DISTANCE.
:lol2: that's possible -- only if Bush is re-elected which is next to impossible :P

[Rocky_]

If america is not war-hungry, why is it spending billions on its defense research? why is it that it is having more WMDs than any other nation on the face of earth...

Because We want to be prepared IF and ONLY IF the situation arises! American Army is STRUGGLING in Iraq now! If they were going to use it the way they did back in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they would've already! 8-)

U keep pointing at something tha that happened hafe a century ago, but u don't see, that if America was going to EVER use WMDs like they did in Japan, then they would've easily used it on Afghanistan and made it inhabitable for the next century after September 11th. But did they? :huh: 8-)


"The worlds most peaceful nation"

I never said that it was. :lol2: Vecha Kudumi Saracha Mottai-ya? :P I didn't say it was the most peaceful, I didn't say it was the most aggressive. Because neither is true.

[Rocky_]

American economy is not that great today . Ofcourse it was dominant in the previous century but no longer.
Asians soon will wipe out US in this by a clear margin.
Even europe was very keen to move out of Dollar economy and hence created the concept of EURO which has already OVERTAKEN DOLLAR BY A FAIR DISTANCE.
:lol2: that's possible -- only if Bush is re-elected which is next to impossible :P

:thumbsup:

It's not NEXT to Impossible..IT IS Impossible! :D The Republicans have a pathetic line up this time! :lol2:

[kannannn]

Hmm.. it is 4:30 in the morning here and I am unable to sleep :( . The debate sure makes interesting reading. Surya, you sure you can handle all that is coming your way?

[Rocky_]

I'm multitasking here! :P I'm replying and watching teh Cleaveland Cavs Kill the Detroit Pistons in the 6 Game of the Eastern Conference Finals. 8-)


The debate sure makes interesting reading. Surya, you sure you can handle all that is coming your way?


Well..I'm not really Argueing..I'm agreeing to the Minus Points of America, if they're true.

American Public Education isn't the Best. I agree.

Bush is a Moron, and the worst thing to hit America. I agree.

Katrina wasn't handled well. I agree.

America isn't the most Peaceful nation in the world or Even anywhere in the Vicinity. I'm agreeing.

The present Admnistration is War Hungry and Insanely Stupid. I'm Agreeing there too.

But I'm not agreeing when there are Rediculous generalizations abt America like "Unsafe", Americans in general being "War Hungry" etc. :)

Or the misconception that America isn't a great nation.

4:30? :shock: where do u live kannan? :) I should go eat Dinner too. :P

[Hey Ram]

Rocky.. You heard about Michael Moore?? There some sad & pathetic people with little knowledge.. they even have a special name... Anti-American or something.. And they take pride in "trying" to be one :lol2:

[thamizhvaanan]

Because We want to be prepared ya, be prepared to kill the innocents :lol2: . WMDs dont have a preference for terrorists alone. They strike the gud and the bad alike. Why do u keep ignoring this always?

What irks us the most is the fact that, US citizens feels that they are justified in carrying out these attacks. If not the attacks, go through the under-cover dirty politics that CIA indulged in, from my previous post.


I never said that it was.ofcourse u never did. But i was hinting at the popular delusion among the american citizens :lol2:

[Rocky_]

Rocky.. You heard about Michael Moore??

Yeah, he is one of my favorite Movie Makers. :)


There some sad & pathetic people with little knowledge.. they even have a special name... Anti-American or something.. And they take pride in "trying" to be one

I think Nakeeran just generalizes too much, basing his whole decision on untrue statements, or minorities. :)

But i might be wrong...lets see what he says later.

[Hey Ram]

What irks us the most is the fact that, US citizens feels that they are justified in carrying out these attacks. If not the attacks, go through the under-cover dirty politics that CIA indulged in, from my previous post.

How many American Citizen have you met? If none, you should shut up :)

[kannannn]

I'm multitasking here! :P I'm replying and watching teh Cleaveland Cavs Kill the Detroit Pistons in the 6 Game of the Eastern Conference Finals. 8-)
Ahh.. :) I lost interest in NBA after Bulls fell apart..


Or the misconception that America isn't a great nation.

I will not add to the existing charges about war perpetration against US. But there is one point I want to make. A great nation is one which respects the sovereignity of other nations and acts responsibly when the situation demands. It should not be seen as an oppurtunist and hypocrite. Above all it should command admiration and respect. Does US fit these criteria?


4:30? :shock: where do u live kannan? :) I should go eat Dinner too. :P
I live where my location says :). In a few hours it will be breakfast time here too.. :lol:

[Hey Ram]

I'll recharge my batteries.. and come back later.. 8-)

[thamizhvaanan]

What irks us the most is the fact that, US citizens feels that they are justified in carrying out these attacks. If not the attacks, go through the under-cover dirty politics that CIA indulged in, from my previous post.

How many American Citizen have you met? If none, you should shut up :)If not, why did the re-elect bush? I suppose US voting system is a fair representation of ppl's general opinion :roll:

[Rocky_]

ya, be prepared to kill the innocents

This is a Hypethetical Situation! :lol2: We don't even know if they will ever be used. Probably they won't have to.
U keep pointing at something tha that happened hafe a century ago, but u don't see, that if America was going to EVER use WMDs like they did in Japan, then they would've easily used it on Afghanistan and made it inhabitable for the next century after September 11th. But did they?



What irks us the most is the fact that, US citizens feels that they are justified in carrying out these attacks.

I don't think anyone ever justified Hiroshima or Nagasaki...:?

If talking abt general attacks, then I only said that the Afghan War was Justified...:? And I also said, that since the Afghan was was to take down a Whole Govt, then killing of Innocents is what happens in taht type of a way. Ppl die. THAT'S WHY WARS SUCK! But sometimes like we were in Afghanistan, we were pushed to go to war. I don't get why you keep thinking that America should've just stood there and not doen anything. :?


ofcourse u never did. But i was hinting at the popular delusion among the american citizens

:lol: What irks me even more is the fact that ppl think they have Americans all Figuered Out when really they don't have the slightest clue! :lol2: Ur post being a good example. :lol2:

[Rocky_]

Does US fit these criteria?

I don't think that the Criteria that u mention alone makes a great Nation. :)

IMO, if America did what u mentioned and is the way it is now, then I would be argueing that it is THE GREATEST Nation. :)

It's not Perfect, It has it's Flaws. When a Country has this much Power, (america is the most powerful nation in the world) it gets currupted, just like anything else with Power. Espicialy when it has an Idiot like Bush, it's Disaster. And that's what Iraq Is.

It it did the things u mentioned even dispite Bush, Power, etc it would be THE GREATEST no questions asked. It's not the Greatest, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the greatest nations in the world.

Even though my location said that, I've said that Greatest is Nationalism, and One of the Great is the Truth. :)

[Rocky_]

What irks us the most is the fact that, US citizens feels that they are justified in carrying out these attacks. If not the attacks, go through the under-cover dirty politics that CIA indulged in, from my previous post.

How many American Citizen have you met? If none, you should shut up :)If not, why did the re-elect bush? I suppose US voting system is a fair representation of ppl's general opinion :roll:

Watch F 9/11 and just play that scenerio again along with Bush being Portrayed as an Avatar of Jesus because he supports Xtian Values and u have the answer. 8-) Religion does beat the CRAP of everything else when it comes to Politics. ;)

[Rocky_]

Gonna go get some Dinner. 8-) See ya lads Tomm. :)

[goodsense]

[tscii:cd703ea043]Just stopped by to say this:

There are many great things about Canada, not only having clean water, air and environment, but the minds of the people and much much more. The degree of conflict is almost “0” once new comers get settled.

On May 27, 2007 the "peace wall" was erected as part of Hindu civilization.

Great men overcome war at Wall of Peace

Flanking the wall are 10 white marble busts representing peace icons such as Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela, religious leaders such as Buddha, Jesus Christ and Guru Nanak, and faith symbols representing the likes of Islam and Judaism. Only two of the busts – that of Buddha and the Om symbol – arrived from India in time for the launch. Styrofoam cutouts were used

http://www.thestar.com/article/218326

I heard on TV last night, those ten marble stones include: Martha Luther King and Alexander the Great.

Dr. Deepak Chopra (who flew in from India I believe for the event), in his speech at the event, did a good job in demonstrating the peace Hindu Civilization has given to the world. I haven’t seen any attendance of Chinese or Africans.

It was great to watch the event of May 27th - the opening of the peace wall, on TV. Wanted to attend, but was not possible.
[/tscii:cd703ea043]

[goodsense]

No! I think he flew in from US. But what does it matter? He seems to be a man of peace as alternative medicine.

http://www.intentblog.com/author.php?author=Deepak%20Chopra

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/May2007/23/c4009.html

[Rocky_]

Yup! 8-) Canada is one of my Most Favorite Places in The WOrld. 8-)

It's like one of the Most Liberal places in the World. :D

[Nakeeran]

Something basically wrong here ! :shock: :lol:

The so called US worshippers Chief Sudhama and Rocky have been glorifying US JUST BY COMPARING WITH INDIA .

Did anyone ( or me ) in this thread called India as THE GREATEST NATION EVER ?? then why this comparison. India has too too many problems ( including today's Gujjar caste issue ) to counter . Forget it.

Well, India's GREATEST STRENGTH IS - UNITY IN DIVERSITY, a term which no US citizen can understand. With so many languages, diverse religious practices, customs, habits, castes, still the country is able to withstand any tsunami ,be it political or whatever you will call it.

THE MANNER IN WHICH MY MUMBAI GUYS STAGED A COME BACK AFTER EVERY BLOODSHED IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE GREATNESS OF PEOPLE , THEIR ABILITY TO OVERCOME CRISIS OF WHATEVER MAGNITIUDE, A COUNTRY WITH RICH TRADITION, WHICH WELCOMES ANY FOREIGNER WITH THE SAME WARMTH AND AFFECTION.

Just for a 9/11 incident , the americans over reacted to the extent of invading another country. Well, this country India has been facing such 9/11 almost every week / month but it always bounces back with relentless pursuit , THAT OF ONE COUNTRY .

I dont need to write anything more about India's rich tradition, its ancient culture, its present life etc. Chief Sudhama has been writing , quoting tons of words from Indian epics and shastras.

Just becaz you all have settled down in another ALIEN country, dont call yourselves as representatives of that country. YOUR ULTIMATE NATION IS YOUR MOTHERLAND .... remember that.

YOU WILL NOT GET / ENJOY THE SAME FREEDOM LIKE YOU HAVE IN YOUR MOTHERLAND.

Americans have this BIG BROTHER attitude for the last 50 years, needlessly poking at other nations, dictating terms on foreign policies, dominating world trade by cut throat barriers , sell arms and extend loans to evil thinkers like Pervez Musharaff while talking diplomacy with India. They have no consistent policy on any matter . Americans are not clear / clean thinkers. They DONT THINK / ACT POSITIVELY. DESTRUCTION HAS BEEN THEIR MANTRA WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR GENERATIONS.

The greatest trait of an american is FIRST ATTACK AND DESTROY A COUNTRY OF YOUR CHOICE

Second, IN THE PRETEXT OF REBUILDING THAT COUNTRY GIVE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES TO AMERICAN BUSINESS CLASS SO THAT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY WILL FLOURISH

Third, MANAGE THAT AFFECTED COUNTRY IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THERE IS TOTAL CHAOS AND ANARCHY . Iraq is a classic example .
Atleast 25 persons are falling prey to terrorism there.
The headcount today is not to be seen even during that Saddam's tenure. One day, Iraqis may conclude that SADDAM WAS A BETTER DICTATOR THAN BUSH :lol:

Fourth, FINALLY LEAVE THAT COUNTRY IN TOTTERS AND RETREAT TO US :twisted:

Ultimately, who will be the PRIME BENEFICIARIES ?

1. The american business class
2. The american army ( which gets a sound exposure on war management )
3. INHUMAN CHARACTERS like Bush

Mr. Sudhama, you gave an example of vietnam wherein the countrymen rose together and the army came back. WHAT HAPPENED WITH BUSH ? THAT GREATEST DICTATOR AND MAN EATER WAS ELECTED AGAIN BY THE SAME US COUNTRYMEN :lol:

THAT ONLY MAKES ME CALL YOU PEOPLE AS BLOOD SUCKERS AND A BUNCH OF WORLD DESTROYERS . IF THE US COUNTRYMEN ARE REALLY HUMAN, BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE GOT RE-ELECTED.

So, to call yourself to be the GREATEST , you should be cut above the rest . Beyond comparison. Better review your SO CALLED country's strengths , do a SWOT analysis and then take pride to qualify for THE GREATEST .

More to come.............

[thamiz]

Something basically wrong here ! :shock: :lol:

The so called US worshippers Chief Sudhama and Rocky have been glorifying US JUST BY COMPARING WITH INDIA .

Yeah, there is something basically wrong here! That is your understanding! :lol:

[rajraj]

Nakeeran: Converts sing louder ! :lol:

[thamiz]

IF THE US COUNTRYMEN ARE REALLY HUMAN, BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE GOT RE-ELECTED.

How do you define humanity, anyway? :lol:

[Nakeeran]

IF THE US COUNTRYMEN ARE REALLY HUMAN, BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE GOT RE-ELECTED.

How do you define humanity, anyway? :lol:

A human like our Thamilllllls aunty :lol:

[thamiz]

N: Just like you are, so many (MAJORITY) educated people and academicians were upset with re-election of Bush even in USA. :)

[Nakeeran]

Nakeeran: Converts sing louder ! :lol:

Hi Rajraj :D

True true absolutely !

[m_23_bayarea]

Nakeeran! All your points are very valid... But there is a totally different interpretation of things as well, around here! I'm sure you know that! :oops:

[thamiz]

I'm sure you know that! :oops:

Nope, he does NOT! :lol:

[Hey Ram]

Nakeeran has become so emotional :lol:

[Madavan]

THAT ONLY MAKES ME CALL YOU PEOPLE AS BLOOD SUCKERS AND A BUNCH OF WORLD DESTROYERS . IF THE US COUNTRYMEN ARE REALLY HUMAN, BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE GOT RE-ELECTED.
Wait. Who's this? Nakkeeran :lol:
I think you're justifying LTTE's assasination of Rajeev Ghandi :D
I'll be happier, if you can maintain consistency in your thinking :)


The greatest trait of an american is FIRST ATTACK AND DESTROY A COUNTRY OF YOUR CHOICE
more support for us :D


THAT GREATEST DICTATOR AND MAN EATER WAS ELECTED AGAIN BY THE SAME US COUNTRYMEN
Nakkeeran is arguing against a person who has a similar character to a person he loves :D
Nakkeeran also loves that BLOOD SUCKER, HEAD of RAPERS :twisted:

[thamizhvaanan]

I don't get why you keep thinking that America should've just stood there and not doen anything. :?
That doesnt mean that they can do anything. Venting out ur anger at the wrong person doesnt solve problems. Since 9/11 there has been no major terrorist attacks, not because US invaded afganistan, there are hundreds of other terrorist camps around the world. It is because, they were alert. That's the action that is required. Ofcourse, attacking terrorist camps is a valid alternative. But showering missiles and bombs on a civilian population is disgusting :x In todays world of frenzied hegemony, Defense is often being mistaken for Attack :banghead:


If talking abt general attacks, then I only said that the Afghan War was Justified...:? And I also said, that since the Afghan was was to take down a Whole Govt, then killing of Innocents is what happens in taht type of a way. Ppl die. THAT'S WHY WARS SUCK! But sometimes like we were in Afghanistan, we were pushed to go to war.
I remember you saying that "they supported it, and so they deserved it". Would you sentence thousands of ppl to death just for their moral support, even if they had no prior idea about the attacks? what about the unborn babies, kids and women. You feel Afgan war was deliverance of justice. I feel september 9/11 attacks are just a cover/excuse to vanquish "one more" unfriendly govt from US' perspective.

OK let us ASSUME that Afgan war was a fair deal. Does that make US hands clean?

Iraq war was a mistake by Bush government. But the fact is,even governments before that have been consistently meting out injustice to Iraqi public.

About half a million Iraqi children have died as a result of the sanctions. Of them, Madeleine Albright, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, famously said, "It's a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it.
They first let a mad person grow, provide arms and money and then later kill him.

Is it a coincidence that both saddam and Osama, america's current thorn in their flesh, were their past allies?

Why is it that US has been involved in one war or other for the past 50 yrs since WWII?
* Is it because, their neighbours were hostile nations, as in India's case?
* Is it because, they were not self-sufficient that they had to invade other lands for resources?

Today's popular terrorism is a new phenomena compared to america's institutionalised terrorism practised since WWII. So that cant be the reasons for wars prior to 80's. The reasons are PURELY POLITICAL.

America's military interventions all around the globe has resulted in more number of civilian deaths than ever caused by any single terrorist organisation. Who is the worser terrorist?

Why should america question India's nuclear programme when it itself has the biggest nuclear arsenal? Why this hypocrisy? Why should it poke its nose in affairs all around the globe if not for its zeal to acheive political hegemony?

I am not accusing american public and pardon me if I have made any ignorant comments on them. But the american public cannot continuously support and seek cover/excuse for the military expeditions of its nation. They should stop beleiving that their country is waging war for altruistic reasons and accept the true intent openly. If they continue to do so, soon America will be the modern day equivalent of Nazi germany.

Thats all I have to say :wave:

[littlemaster1982]

TV,

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Nakeeran]

High profile men like Mr. Sudhama / Mr. Rocky OBVIOUSLY have not seen the BLOOD & MASS KILLING & BOMB BLASTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES.

Sitting in a remote corner of the world, they are just typing whatever they BELIEVE to be right.

Day in and day out atleast 30 persons die of brutal bomb blasts in Iraq for which AMERICANS OWE AND THEY ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE. Every american citizen should pay a heavy price for this mass execution.

Again, its the americans who coined the word ISLAMIC TERRORISM when there is no such . If at all someone is instigated, its purely the reaction of some emotional people whose kith and kin have been systematically executed by the american forces everywhere across the globe.

Today's terrorism is out and out an END PRODUCT OF AMERICAN EXTERNAL POLICY.

For this, each and every american citizen is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE.

[Hey Ram]

High profile men like Mr. Sudhama / Mr. Rocky OBVIOUSLY have not seen the BLOOD & MASS KILLING & BOMB BLASTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES.

Sitting in a remote corner of the world, they are just typing whatever they BELIEVE to be right.

Day in and day out atleast 30 persons die of brutal bomb blasts in Iraq for which AMERICANS OWE AND THEY ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE. Every american citizen should pay a heavy price for this mass execution.

Again, its the americans who coined the word ISLAMIC TERRORISM when there is no such . If at all someone is instigated, its purely the reaction of some emotional people whose kith and kin have been systematically executed by the american forces everywhere across the globe.

Today's terrorism is out and out an END PRODUCT OF AMERICAN EXTERNAL POLICY.

For this, each and every american citizen is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Madavan]

For this, each and every american citizen is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE.
Then you are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for Rajeev's army's massacre of innocent tamizhs in Jaffna 8-)
He is conveniently ignoring me because the question was tough for him :P


High profile men like Mr. Sudhama / Mr. Rocky OBVIOUSLY have not seen the BLOOD & MASS KILLING & BOMB BLASTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES.

Sitting in a remote corner of the world, they are just typing whatever they BELIEVE to be right.
ithaiyE thaan I told you before. Sitting in an office in India, and not doing what you are assigned to do, you wouldn't have an idea what had unfoled in Jaffna :twisted: and typing what you BELIEVE to be true.


Again, its the americans who coined the word ISLAMIC TERRORISM when there is no such . If at all someone is instigated, its purely the reaction of some emotional people whose kith and kin have been systematically executed by the american forces everywhere across the globe.

Today's terrorism is out and out an END PRODUCT OF AMERICAN EXTERNAL POLICY.
neenga ellOrum sErnthu thaanE LTTE-ku theevira vaathigal endRu pattam kodutheergal. Double standard and inconsistency is Nakkeeran's mantra :)

P.S Not to hurt anyone's sentiments, but it's hard to let go Nakkeran's posts because he contradicts wo what he said before.

[Rocky_]

I remember you saying that "they supported it, and so they deserved it".

Go back and readi it, I said The Govt Supported Terrorists, so The Govt Deservs it. Got NOthing Else to say. :P


Nakeeran: Converts sing louder !

So we're Converted Americans now!? :rotfl: This reflects the Typical Ignorant Understanding that anyone white is American and anyone non-white isn't! :lol: Being an American has nothing to do with COlor...Innum Ethana varushathukku thaan intha Pethals? :huh: Evolve Peeps!! :lol2:

What is ur Criteria for being an American anyway? Please answer or :shhh:

[Rocky_]

Regarding Nakkee's Emotional Episodes :lol2:

Thamiz, Hey Ram and Madhavan have answered it all! :D :D :D Nakee drink a bottle of Pepsi or Coke, Calm Down, and then post! :lol2: :P

[thamizhvaanan]

So nothing to say about the rest of my post? :?

[kannannn]

Nakeeran: Converts sing louder !

So we're Converted Americans now!? :rotfl: This reflects the Typical Ignorant Understanding that anyone white is American and anyone non-white isn't! :lol: Being an American has nothing to do with COlor...Innum Ethana varushathukku thaan intha Pethals? :huh: Evolve Peeps!! :lol2:

What is ur Criteria for being an American anyway? Please answer or :shhh:
Surya, I think you misunderstood rajraj's post. He did not mean non-whites. He meant first generation citizens/immigrants. It is natural that they wouldn't want their country of choice to be shown in a bad light..

[Rocky_]

Why is it that US has been involved in one war or other for the past 50 yrs since WWII?
* Is it because, their neighbours were hostile nations, as in India's case?
* Is it because, they were not self-sufficient that they had to invade other lands for resources?


They always choose a side and help them. :) Let it be The Korean War, or Vietnam War of the Gulf War. They pick a side, and help them. It might have it's own reasons to do that, but they're also helping usually the weaker side.

Kuwait in the Gulf War, same thing goes for Vietnam and Afghanistan against Russia's Invasion. We have teh Power, and when we can flex it to Strategically help ourselvs and at th same time help a country who is our alli..why not?


If they continue to do so, soon America will be the modern day equivalent of Nazi germany.

Now that's just an Exagerration! :lol2:


Why should it poke its nose in affairs all around the globe if not for its zeal to acheive political hegemony?

Would u say that Indira Gandhi wanted to achieve Political Hgemony by helping B'desh?? Same thing here. America helps it's Allies at that time. They might have selfish reasons as well, but they extend their hands of support to their allies as well.

I don't like such wars, because it hurts teh US Economy. But when Kuwait was being invaded by saddam, and america intervened, and helped Kuwait, it was a good thing. Vietnam was a stupid decision, i think any learned American would accept that. Same thing goes for Iraq.

[Rocky_]

Nakeeran: Converts sing louder !

So we're Converted Americans now!? :rotfl: This reflects the Typical Ignorant Understanding that anyone white is American and anyone non-white isn't! :lol: Being an American has nothing to do with COlor...Innum Ethana varushathukku thaan intha Pethals? :huh: Evolve Peeps!! :lol2:

What is ur Criteria for being an American anyway? Please answer or :shhh:
Surya, I think you misunderstood rajraj's post. He did not mean non-whites. He meant first generation citizens/immigrants. It is natural that they wouldn't want their country of choice to be shown in a bad light..

Ohh..okay. :)

Well..but that still doesn't make any sense. I'm not opposing everything and saying america is perfect. :) I know ppl here who do that, who immigrated here a few years ago, but I've been here ever since i can remember, so i don't think that post would have any relevence to me. :)

[Roshan]

Regarding Nakkee's Emotional Episodes :lol2:

Thamiz, Hey Ram and Madhavan have answered it all! :D :D :D Nakee drink a bottle of Pepsi or Coke, Calm Down, and then post! :lol2: :P

hahaha Great Escape :lol2: :lol:

TVN and Nakeeran have clearly put forward their arguments. And now it's up to you ( and if possible Mr. Sudhamma) to respond to them without trying to excape quoting Madhavan and Hey Ram - who have said nothing about the issue in discussion. Now the ball is in your court Surya.

[thamizhvaanan]

never mind surya.. I realised its futile .... :wave:

[Roshan]

I don't like such wars, because it hurts teh US Economy. But when Kuwait was being invaded by saddam, and america intervened, and helped Kuwait, it was a good thing. Vietnam was a stupid decision, i think any learned American would accept that. Same thing goes for Iraq.

Weren't you saying something else earlier :roll: :roll:

[Roshan]

never mind surya.. I realised its futile .... :wave:

athuvum sarithaan :lol2:

Naanum :wave:

[thilak4life]

I don't like such wars, because it hurts teh US Economy. But when Kuwait was being invaded by saddam, and america intervened, and helped Kuwait, it was a good thing. Vietnam was a stupid decision, i think any learned American would accept that. Same thing goes for Iraq.

Weren't you saying something else earlier :roll: :roll:

Sad that they hate 'wars' because it affects their *Economy*. So, innocent lives lost in the process doesn't matter?

I mean, the decision is 'stupid'. the consequence of such actions? Doesn't matter, does it?

BTW, I also agree with Madhavan that Nakeeran sir might have contradicted what he said few days back. But that doesn't mean, what he says now is "wrong"! Does it?

[Rocky_]

I don't like such wars, because it hurts teh US Economy. But when Kuwait was being invaded by saddam, and america intervened, and helped Kuwait, it was a good thing. Vietnam was a stupid decision, i think any learned American would accept that. Same thing goes for Iraq.

Weren't you saying something else earlier :roll: :roll:

Umm..No. I've always said Iraq is a Stupid Decision.

[kannannn]

About wars hurting the US economy.. That's a wrong perception. War still serves as the best means of distributing government contract to defence companies, thus helping in producing jobs. When US is not fighting wars, it is actively exporting arms to those who might need them (not necessarily those on the right side of war). Defence companies have some of the strongest lobbying power in Washington and it would not be wrong to say that they play a major role in decisions of war taken by the US government. Remember that each war is a means of testing new weapons (Daisy cutters, Agent Orange, Napalm, the list is endless..)

[Rocky_]

Regarding Nakkee's Emotional Episodes :lol2:

Thamiz, Hey Ram and Madhavan have answered it all! :D :D :D Nakee drink a bottle of Pepsi or Coke, Calm Down, and then post! :lol2: :P

hahaha Great Escape :lol2: :lol:

TVN and Nakeeran have clearly put forward their arguments. And now it's up to you ( and if possible Mr. Sudhamma) to respond to them without trying to excape quoting Madhavan and Hey Ram - who have said nothing about the issue in discussion. Now the ball is in your court Surya.

Madhavan Hey Ram and Tamiz have all shown the Flaws in Nakeeran's accusations against Americans by bringng in Rajeev Gandhi's Scenerio showing the inconsistancy in his thinking.

I do agree with Nakeeran that Americans sometimes vote for teh wrong ppl....and those ppl sometimes are blood sucking vampires, but which country's Citizens have always every single time, voted for the right candidate and brought them to power? It depends on who u ask from that country also.

So there is no escape here. :lol2:

[thilak4life]

About wars hurting the US economy.. That's a wrong perception. War still serves as the best means of distributing government contract to defence companies, thus helping in producing jobs. When US is not fighting wars, it is actively exporting arms to those who might need them (not necessarily those on the right side of war). Defence companies have some of the strongest lobbying power in Washington and it would not be wrong to say that they play a major role in decisions of war taken by the US government. Remember that each war is a means of testing new weapons (Daisy cutters, Agent Orange, Napalm, the list is endless..)

About to say that too... but it's debatable ..let's see whether they can counter it..

[m_23_bayarea]

About wars hurting the US economy.. That's a wrong perception. War still serves as the best means of distributing government contract to defence companies, thus helping in producing jobs.

Yupp! Like some Republicans say, "If we have a recession, let's fight a war, and the economy will come up soon." :lol:

[Rocky_]

Sad that they hate 'wars' because it affects their *Economy*. So, innocent lives lost in the process doesn't matter?

What happens @ home effects us (not just us, anyone) more than anything else. :) It's just the way it works anywhere.

The average indian citizen was more hurt by Rajeev's assasination, than what was going on in Lanka. :) Not just in India and US, but when things hit home, it's matters a whole lot more. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

kannann... not only the defense companies.. but also some major corporates have a strong hand in US decision making. It is capitalism at its worst and certainly the wars led by US are sidekicks of the capitalism.

[m_23_bayarea]

Sorry folks! But may I ask what the topic of this debate is? I'd like to see where I fit in here... :P :P

[thilak4life]

No, Rocky. I'm sad because Rajiv took a bad decision but even more sad that lives are lost. I wouldn't say, it was a bad decision by Rajiv because he lost his *life*.



Sad that they hate 'wars' because it affects their *Economy*. So, innocent lives lost in the process doesn't matter?

What happens @ home effects us (not just us, anyone) more than anything else. :) It's just the way it works anywhere.

The average indian citizen was more hurt by Rajeev's assasination, than what was going on in Lanka. :) Not just in India and US, but when things hit home, it's matters a whole lot more. :)

[Rocky_]

About wars hurting the US economy.. That's a wrong perception. War still serves as the best means of distributing government contract to defence companies, thus helping in producing jobs. When US is not fighting wars, it is actively exporting arms to those who might need them (not necessarily those on the right side of war). Defence companies have some of the strongest lobbying power in Washington and it would not be wrong to say that they play a major role in decisions of war taken by the US government. Remember that each war is a means of testing new weapons (Daisy cutters, Agent Orange, Napalm, the list is endless..)

It's the Vietnam war which hurt America's economy then, and now it's the Iraq War which is hurting America's Economy now.

Sure small ones might help the Goct like Korean, and Afghan, but wars like Iraq are doing more and more than good for America. :(

[Rocky_]

never mind surya.. I realised its futile .... :wave:

Surpriced that u didn't realize this before! :lol2:

[Rocky_]

No, Rocky. I'm sad because Rajiv took a bad decision but even more sad that lives are lost. I wouldn't say, it was a bad decision by Rajiv because he lost his *life*.



Sad that they hate 'wars' because it affects their *Economy*. So, innocent lives lost in the process doesn't matter?

What happens @ home effects us (not just us, anyone) more than anything else. :) It's just the way it works anywhere.

The average indian citizen was more hurt by Rajeev's assasination, than what was going on in Lanka. :) Not just in India and US, but when things hit home, it's matters a whole lot more. :)

Okay, but still when things hit home and hurt ur family, it hurts a whole lot more than what's going on outside. This is still true everywhere. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

Rocky... i am not sure wether u are pretending as if u dont understand or u really dont understand. Clearly, US military interventions apart from Afgan wars are not for altruistic reasons. OK, forget the wars... wat abt the events that happend in chile that I outlined earlier? or the role of US in israel? or wat about their continued support to pakistan? Under what form of altruism does these things belong?

[kannannn]

Before I start sounding anti-American, let me just say that, it was the same US that was reluctant to be led into the second world war, even in the name of its allies (Britain was in desperate need for help and US was still hesistant). I think the success in WWII was a major boost and the subsequent cold-war made it compulsory for the US to use its influences in preventing the spread of Communism. Now, the threat of Russia no longer lingers, but the US, used to being in a commanding position is not able to let go off its urges to keep out of other countries. Of course, there are a lot more factors in play, but this, I think, is the basic cause.

It is as they say: with a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail..

[thamiz]

Before I start sounding anti-American,

Kannan: US has an excuse of nine-11, to go after some nations, TELL ME why UK goes along with them?

UK looks worse to me!

So, I wish you sound anti-UK as well! :)

[thamizhvaanan]

Answer this!!!

Twenty-nine years ago, in Chile, on the 11th of September 1973, General Pinochet overthrew the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in a CIA-backed coup. "Chile should not be allowed to go Marxist just because its people are irresponsible," said Henry Kissinger, Nobel Peace Laureate, then the U.S. Secretary of State.

After the coup President Allende was found dead inside the presidential palace. Whether he was killed or whether he killed himself, we'll never know. In the regime of terror that ensured, thousands of people were killed. Many more simply "disappeared". Firing squads conducted public executions. Concentration camps and torture chambers were opened across the country. The dead were buried in mine shafts and unmarked graves. For seventeen years the people of Chile lived in dread of the midnight knock, of routine "disappearances", of sudden arrest and torture. Chileans tell the story of how the musician Victor Jara had his hands cut off in front of a crowd in the Santiago stadium. Before they shot him, Pinochet's soldiers threw his guitar at him and mockingly asked him to play.

In 1999, following the arrest of General Pinochet in Britain, thousands of secret documents were declassified by the U.S. government. They contain unequivocal evidence of the CIA's involvement in the coup as well as the fact that the U.S. government had detailed information about the situation in Chile during General Pinochet's reign. Yet, Kissinger assured the general of his support: "In the United States as you know, we are sympathetic to what you're trying to do," he said. "We wish your government well."

Those of us who have only ever known life in a democracy, however flawed, would find it hard to imagine what living in a dictatorship and enduring the absolute loss of freedom means. It isn't just those who Pinochet murdered, but the lives he stole from the living that must be accounted for too.

Sadly, Chile was not the only country in South America to be singled out for the U.S. government's attentions. Guatemala, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, the Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, El Salvador, Peru, Mexico and Colombia - they've all been the playground for covert - and overt - operations by the CIA. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been killed, tortured or have simply disappeared under the despotic regimes that were propped up in their countries. If this were not humiliation enough, the people of South America have had to bear the cross of being branded as people who are incapable of democracy - as if coups and massacres are somehow encrypted in their genes.

This list does not, of course, include countries in Africa or Asia that suffered U.S. military interventions - Vietnam, Korea, Indonesia, Laos, and Cambodia. For how many Septembers for decades together have millions of Asian people been bombed, and burned, and slaughtered? How many Septembers have gone by since August 1945, when hundreds of thousands of ordinary Japanese people were obliterated by the nuclear strikes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? For how many Septembers have the thousands who had the misfortune of surviving those strikes endured that living hell that was visited on them, their unborn children, their children's children, on the earth, the sky, the water, the wind, and all the creatures that swim and walk and crawl and fly? Not far from here, in Albuquerque, is the National Atomic Museum where Fat Man and Little Boy (the affectionate nicknames for the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki) were available as souvenir earrings. Funky young people wore them. A massacre dangling in each ear.

[thamiz]

who needs to answer :?:

[thilak4life]

Before I start sounding anti-American, let me just say that, it was the same US that was reluctant to be led into the second world war, even in the name of its allies (Britain was in desperate need for help and US was still hesistant). I think the success in WWII was a major boost and the subsequent cold-war made it compulsory for the US to use its influences in preventing the spread of Communism. Now, the threat of Russia no longer lingers, but the US, used to being in a commanding position is not able to let go off its urges to keep out of other countries. Of course, there are a lot more factors in play, but this, I think, is the basic cause.

It is as they say: with a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail..

kannannn, the worst part in WW II was... bombing Hiroshima first. Watching human destruction (And the whole place getting messed up)..and three days later, tossed another in Nagasaki! I mean, is this justified by any means??? such a disgrace!

[thamizhvaanan]

namma surya thaan :lol: He says, US takes a side, mostly weak side (read Good side :lol:) , assists them in war, all for good only. If thats so, history has so many questionable activities from US, the previous one being one gud example.

[thamiz]

namma surya thaan :lol: .

OK, :D

[thilak4life]

[tscii:172e6ec7c6]
It's ridiculous to see USA leading. Seriously. Even after Va-tech incident quite recently eh?

USA got what it always asked for. Even this Cho incident is nothing compared to their colossal damage to other fragile nations. Its manipulative and calculative strategy with every other country is reprehensible enough. Americans have implanted different kinds of fear from the blacks, Mexicans and every other immigrant fears.

Then came the Gun laws which was apparently for 'security'. Why give guns to two people for saving themselves and expect them not to shoot each other. Oh yeah, any robber or murderer would first be alleged to be an African-American. The suspect is by default a Mexican or Black. No surprise that they has the highest number of violent crimes especially with the Gun-related violent outburst (homicidal breakdown as they call it). And let’s not forget their mafia. Italians, Irish, etc. Why give Blacks a slightly derogatory term – Ghetto? No wonder!

It's easy to blame 'hate-music' of Marilyn Manson (the very fact that they celebrate Charles Manson should reveal the crux of their culture) or hip-hop songs for that matter. Video games anybody? Even Japanese kids play that. But we don't hear about any major Japanese shooting spree, do we? The average crime rate is much lesser than USA. Yeah, Canadian kids got enough guns at home and play loads of violent games like GTA San Andreas! They also got all kinds of people of different origins and movies like Sin City or kill bill run to packed-houses.

Let's take a short preview of American history. What about their independence from the British? What about their American revolutionary war? They have blood in their hands. Whatever happened to the ‘wild west’. Or Could the long history of Violence from white Americans over other countries be a reason? Or their massacre of native American tribes and African-American slavery followed by mix of ethnic tribes migrating from all parts of the world, brought a big tag called 'Internal disturbance' to Americans. The diverse culture was dense and their confrontation with each other was so bad that Gun laws from that time made ammunition and weapons available in super-markets (contextual pun-intended). As I said before, Racism was 'omnipresent and omnipotent'! Then started Martin Luther king's civil rights and many other internal changes in the system.

Then came their colonization but in a truly original ‘American’ style . British colonization or Hitler's exploitation were more direct and in some ways, dignified than all the cheap third rated antics of USA. The devious Americans made indirect inroads, finding ways of sucking up wealth from different countries. They are also pretty intolerant. They can’t stand disapproval. The fact that they are the only country to have used Nuclear bomb when they could have easily gone without it. Was that a justified 'revenge' for Pearl harbor? Their Zealous fantasy to rule and stay far-ahead of the rest of the world is so evident. Their corporate houses with products right from Windows to Soft drinks has that stamp of American flimflamming.

Let’s not forget the intelligence agencies like CIA and Pentagon, they have a long history of cat fight with Iran-Iraq-Kuwait(and Gulf war). What they did with Vietnam? What about their funding of Taliban and Al-Qaeda (Osama got CIA's intelligence) against the Soviets? Cold-war and communism were causes of ‘fear’, cleverly inculcated to people by the consumerist kind. Then came the difference of opinion with Osama and they got it back with 9/11 tragedy. Clinton bombs and kills innocent people in Sudan assuming it was a weapon's factory but it was found to be aspirin manufacturing unit. Even a school was destroyed in that process. But a 'small-scale' shooting incident in US in Columbine is 'sad'. Wtf???

Overall, their country’s fear and disturbance is obligatory for what they did with other countries. Seriously, I don't think any other country could sustain with heinous crimes committed in name of ‘defense’. Even Hitler couldn’t cause such a big magnitude of damage for ‘generations'.

This 'Anti-Rich' angle is just another shot in the eternal darkness of self-destructive country like USA. So What's next?[/tscii:172e6ec7c6]

[Rocky_]

Rocky... i am not sure wether u are pretending as if u dont understand or u really dont understand. Clearly, US military interventions apart from Afgan wars are not for altruistic reasons.

What're u talking abt? I already said it was just to help them. There are often things in it which benefit america. Infact, my exact words were "We have teh Power, and when we can flex it to Strategically help ourselvs and at th same time help a country who is our alli..why not?"


or the role of US in israel?

That is 100% supported by the Citizens. It's not like the Iraq war, or Vietnam. I support it too...Isreal is a very strong alli of the US, and when someone messes with them, they mess with the US. That's how it works. Also The media, and many Political campagnes are supported by the money from Jews here. :P


wat about their continued support to pakistan?

That is pure politics. I agree. But think abt it, India would've probably Fried pakistan by now if not for that. I'm sure humanitarians would hate that wouldn't they??


Under what form of altruism does these things belong?

Nothing is all help and no gain. I never said tht there was any form of Altruism in any of these wars. No one here belives that either. There is Gain and help in most cases. Ofcourse, in some rarae cases like iraq, it's a loose loose situation. But usually, it helps others, and also gains from itl.

[Rocky_]

namma surya thaan :lol: He says, US takes a side, mostly weak side (read Good side :lol:) , assists them in war, all for good only. If thats so, history has so many questionable activities from US, the previous one being one gud example.

It's not my fault if u read as good side! :lol:

[thamizhvaanan]

Before I start sounding anti-American, let me just say that, it was the same US that was reluctant to be led into the second world war, even in the name of its allies (Britain was in desperate need for help and US was still hesistant). I think the success in WWII was a major boost and the subsequent cold-war made it compulsory for the US to use its influences in preventing the spread of Communism. Now, the threat of Russia no longer lingers, but the US, used to being in a commanding position is not able to let go off its urges to keep out of other countries. Of course, there are a lot more factors in play, but this, I think, is the basic cause.

It is as they say: with a hammer in hand, everything looks like a nail..

kannannn, the worst part in WW II was... bombing Hiroshima first. Watching human destruction (And the whole place getting messed up)..and three days later, tossed another in Nagasaki! I mean, is this justified by any means??? such a disgrace!and unlike in Germany, where talks about hitler are a taboo (they feel ashamed of WWII), I have read many US based articles which justified the bombing saying that it brought the war to an end. I wonder wat they say about the bombing in school text books. They even make tear jerking films pearl harbour which makes many americans feel that they are justified!!!

[thilak4life]

Seri.. nalliku oppice poganum..so good night.. will get back to this discourse later :)

[kannannn]

Kannan: US has an excuse of nine-11, to go after some nations, TELL ME why UK goes along with them?

UK looks worse to me!

So, I wish you sound anti-UK as well! :)

Thamiz, I go with you. I don't support the UK as well. It was one of the dumbest decisions of Blair. Trust me, given a chance and choice, I wouldn't want to be here :). Having said that, Europe has a moderating influence on Britain and God knows where this country would have headed if not for that.

kannannn, the worst part in WW II was... bombing Hiroshima first. Watching human destruction (And the whole place getting messed up)..and three days later, tossed another in Nagasaki! I mean, is this justified by any means??? such a disgrace!
Looks like another addition to the list of weapons that were tested using war as a pretext :lol: .

[Rocky_]

They even make tear jerking films pearl harbour which makes many americans feel that they are justified!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: enammo varusha kanakka ingaya irundha maathiri pesura! :lol2: This is what i said abt misconceptions and prejudging! :lol2: Many ppl don't even know!

When I was in 10th, my history teacher, (and the teachers of my friends and everyone else i knw) Have said that the bombing was unncecery because Japan was slowly getting weaker even before that! :lol2:

Ofcourse, the surprice attack on pearl harbor, when US wasn't activly involeved in the war doesn't make us feel good things abt Japan @ that time. :lol2:

Reg Pearl harbor the movie..Ahh yes, that is a Classic! :cry:

[m_23_bayarea]

I'm just curious to know why we point all the flaws of US only! Isnt any country subject to such criticisms? Is there a country in this world that is perfect? At least, US gives a lot of opportunites to foreigners... Which other countries are so good at that? :roll:

[thamizhvaanan]

Isreal is a very strong alli of the US, and when someone messes with them, they mess with the US. That's how it works. . :lol2: You watch way too much Hollywood stuff :lol: Pls dont call that as an ethically justified principle :x


In 1947, the U.N. formally partitioned Palestine and allotted 55 per cent of Palestine's land to the Zionists. Within a year, they had captured 76 per cent. On the 14th of May 1948 the State of Israel was declared. Minutes after the declaration, the United States recognized Israel. The West Bank was annexed by Jordan. The Gaza strip came under Egyptian military control, and formally Palestine ceased to exist except in the minds and hearts of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian people who became refugees. In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza strip.

Over the decades there have been uprisings, wars, intifadas. Tens of thousands have lost their lives. Accords and treaties have been signed. Cease-fires declared and violated. But the bloodshed doesn't end. Palestine still remains illegally occupied. Its people live in inhuman conditions, in virtual Bantustans, where they are subjected to collective punishments, twenty-four hour curfews, where they are humiliated and brutalized on a daily basis. They never know when their homes will be demolished, when their children will be shot, when their precious trees will be cut, when their roads will be closed, when they will be allowed to walk down to the market to buy food and medicine. And when they will not. They live with no semblance of dignity. With not much hope in sight. They have no control over their lands, their security, their movement, their communication, their water supply. So when accords are signed, and words like "autonomy" and even "statehood" bandied about, it's always worth asking: What sort of autonomy? What sort of State? What sort of rights will its citizens have?

Young Palestinians who cannot control their anger turn themselves into human bombs and haunt Israel's streets and public places, blowing themselves up, killing ordinary people, injecting terror into daily life, and eventually hardening both societies' suspicion and mutual hatred of each other. Each bombing invites merciless reprisal and even more hardship on Palestinian people. But then suicide bombing is an act of individual despair, not a revolutionary tactic. Although Palestinian attacks strike terror into Israeli citizens, they provide the perfect cover for the Israeli government's daily incursions into Palestinian territory, the perfect excuse for old-fashioned, nineteenth-century colonialism, dressed up as a new fashioned, twenty-first century "war".

Israel's staunchest political and military ally is and always has been the U.S. The U.S. government has blocked, along with Israel, almost every U.N. resolution that sought a peaceful, equitable solution to the conflict. It has supported almost every war that Israel has fought. When Israel attacks Palestine, it is American missiles that smash through Palestinian homes. And every year Israel receives several billion dollars from the United States - taxpayers money.

So u side with ur ally always, no matter whether he is right or wrong? :huh:

[thamizhvaanan]

They even make tear jerking films pearl harbour which makes many americans feel that they are justified!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: enammo varusha kanakka ingaya irundha maathiri pesura! :lol2: This is what i said abt misconceptions and prejudging! :lol2: Many ppl don't even know! OK! let it be :lol2: But why u are avoiding other incisive quotes from me? :lol2: hanging on to one single line :rotfl2:

[Rocky_]

I'm just curious to know why we point all the flaws of US only! Isnt any country subject to such criticisms? Is there a country in this world that is perfect? At least, US gives a lot of opportunites to foreigners... Which other countries are so good at that? :roll:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I said before that i knew ppl who had come to the US with 50 - 100 $ in their pocket, and now would be clasified as upper middle class. :D Only in countries like here Uk, and Canada, and some European nations can u hear that happening so frequently! :D :D A country that gives so many ppl a life should be great just for that let alone everything else. :D

Because Sudhamma and I said that US is ONE of the great nations in the world, which pissed off a lotta ppl! :lol2: Why? Who Knows. :lol2:

But I also said Canada and UK, and no one seems to be going against that! :lol2:

[Rocky_]

They even make tear jerking films pearl harbour which makes many americans feel that they are justified!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: enammo varusha kanakka ingaya irundha maathiri pesura! :lol2: This is what i said abt misconceptions and prejudging! :lol2: Many ppl don't even know! OK! let it be :lol2: But why u are avoiding other incisive quotes from me? :lol2: hanging on to one single line :rotfl2:
Actually I've adressed everything that u've said in that post! :rotfl: Check it again. :P

[thamizhvaanan]

Rocky, if you say US is the best... I have no qualms. Its ur opinion and I have no knowledge to comment on that. But when you are justifying the activities of US as a nation :x ... u better make some sense!!!

[Rocky_]

You watch way too much Hollywood stuff

U don't watch the right kinda hollywood stuff, if u think that's what hollywood stuff is made of! :lol:





So u side with ur ally always, no matter whether he is right or wrong?

We're like Karnan! :lol2: Even if our alli is Dhuriyodhanan. :lol2:

Basically Yes, we do. :)

[Rocky_]

Rocky, if you say US is the best... I have no qualms. Its ur opinion and I have no knowledge to comment on that. But when you are justifying the activities of US as a nation :x ... u better make some sense!!!

And this would obviously be ur opinion and u have no knoledge to comment that since u generalize so much abt the american ppl and their "Mindset" so much already. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

They even make tear jerking films pearl harbour which makes many americans feel that they are justified!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: enammo varusha kanakka ingaya irundha maathiri pesura! :lol2: This is what i said abt misconceptions and prejudging! :lol2: Many ppl don't even know! OK! let it be :lol2: But why u are avoiding other incisive quotes from me? :lol2: hanging on to one single line :rotfl2:
Actually I've adressed everything that u've said in that post! :rotfl: Check it again. :PDo you have selective blindness? :roll: I already quoted one of those posts on chile twice.. but still no answer. :roll:

[Rocky_]

No, but I am selectivly deaf sometimes. :lol2:


I'll get to the chile one later. Right now I'm Multitasking and a reply to that invlves more effort than what i'm putting right now. :roll:

[thamizhvaanan]

Rocky, if you say US is the best... I have no qualms. Its ur opinion and I have no knowledge to comment on that. But when you are justifying the activities of US as a nation :x ... u better make some sense!!!

And this would obviously be ur opinion and u have no knoledge to comment that since u generalize so much abt the american ppl and their "Mindset" so much already. :):lol2: while I cant comment on american people, I CAN comment on what america has done so far.. coz its there for everyone to see... SIMPLE!!!! :cool:

u neednt be in delhi to know that delhi is the capital of india... just like that :wink:

[thamizhvaanan]

I'll get to the chile one later. Right now I'm Multitasking and a reply to that invlves more effort than what i'm putting right now. :roll:may be thats one reasons why u dont make much sense :lol2:

[Rocky_]

I'll get to the chile one later. Right now I'm Multitasking and a reply to that invlves more effort than what i'm putting right now. :roll:may be thats one reason why u dont make much sense :?

Nah, u don't sem to understand what I'm saying because a lot of Propaganda is clouding ur thoughts since ur Anti American! :poke: JK!!! :lol2:

[Rocky_]

Of Course, but one can't really say much abt the American Ppl (like u have so many times) and it's Safety, etc etc etc, based on a couple wars! :) U kinda have to be here and expierence it here, to know how things work here.

As u can see...most ppl who live here, Thamiz, Hey Ram, Bay, Sudhamma, Me, have mostly positive opinions abt America, excluding a couple wars. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

Of Course, but one can't really say much abt the American Ppl (like u have so many times) and it's Safety, etc etc etc, based on a couple wars! :) I have commented on american ppl rarely, that too not with much fiction unlike nakeeran :wink: I know my limits :)

And u are neglecting the other half of my post as usual :lol:

[thamizhvaanan]

Nah, u don't sem to understand what I'm saying because a lot of Propaganda is clouding ur thoughts since ur Anti American! :poke: JK!!! :lol2::oops2: Sorry, I failed to notice any valid points in ur arguement. I can see only a lotta lol2's and rotfl's, hollywood-like dialogues ( "u mess with him, u mess with me :lol2: ") and ofcourse a lotta personal taunts at me :lol2:

[Rocky_]

The sub debate started out as "why is america one of the great nations in the world?" :lol:

And those who were pro-america were mauled with posts degrading america based on completly different criteria. :lol2:

That post meant that as much as u can comment as what u can see sitting in Chennai, u kinda have to live and xpierence America, UK, and Canada to see why they are some of the greatest nations in the world! :lol2:

I also don't see why even though I said UK is also one of teh greatest nations in the world, no one seems to go against it much even though it's been a part of the US in all it's endeavors. :lol2:

PS: Don't kid urself! :lol2: Ur judgements abt US Citizens had a WHOLE LOT of Generalized Fiction! :wink:

[Rocky_]

Nah, u don't sem to understand what I'm saying because a lot of Propaganda is clouding ur thoughts since ur Anti American! :poke: JK!!! :lol2::oops2: Sorry, I failed to notice any valid points in ur arguement. I can see only a lotta lol2's and rotfl's, hollywood-like dialogues ( "u mess with him, u mess with me :lol2: ") and ofcourse a lotta personal taunts at me :lol2:

Then I guess it would be u with the selective blindness and not me. :?

U mess with Isreal, then u mess with US since isreal is our strong alli is the truth, and there is no other way of saying that...srry! :lol2:

[thamizhvaanan]

Rocky... only one question :? did i ever say that america is not a great place to live in and that ppl lead a miserable life there? :huh:

I made it VERY Clear that my apprehensions are about ur support for America's foreign policy. As I said earlier, I think i am eligible to comment on that sitting in chennai, perhaps more eligible :roll:

Why do u have to misrepresent my intentions? :huh:

[Nerd]

I'm just curious to know why we point all the flaws of US only! Isnt any country subject to such criticisms? Is there a country in this world that is perfect? At least, US gives a lot of opportunites to foreigners... Which other countries are so good at that? :roll:

Oh well bay, that is because, the US people are dimwits. They cant handle their booming economy and they need asian brains to GROW. And since we Indians are poor in general are FORCED to come to the USA to help our family and stuff and to enjoy the luxuries here. Providing employment oppurtunities to people from other counties is certainly not a criterion to classify a country as good 8-)

[Rocky_]

did i ever say that america is not a great place to live in and that ppl lead a miserable life there?

how abt America is no longer safe after Virginia Tech? :?


I made it VERY Clear that my apprehensions are about ur support for America's foreign policy.

I already said earlier that America's Foregin Policy needs reform...:? Iraq and Vietnam being good examples. I'm not the one misinterpreting. :) I never said that America's Wars and help to other nations is all out of good will...U jumped at that conclusion. :) I never said that Hiroshima was justified, u jumped at the conclution that the majoriy of Americans feel that way. :) etc

Aaanywayz, :P I'm gonna go to a Society's Edge Concert today. :boo: So I'll proly be back tomm after I leave. :wave:

[m_23_bayarea]

I'm just curious to know why we point all the flaws of US only! Isnt any country subject to such criticisms? Is there a country in this world that is perfect? At least, US gives a lot of opportunites to foreigners... Which other countries are so good at that? :roll:

Oh well bay, that is because, the US people are dimwits. They cant handle their booming economy and they need asian brains to GROW. And since we Indians are poor in general are FORCED to come to the USA to help our family and stuff and to enjoy the luxuries here. Providing employment oppurtunities to people from other counties is certainly not a criterion to classify a country as good 8-)

It's still a win-win situation right? Most of us come here cos we couldnt find the same opportunities in our mother land in those days right? :roll:

[Rocky_]

I'm just curious to know why we point all the flaws of US only! Isnt any country subject to such criticisms? Is there a country in this world that is perfect? At least, US gives a lot of opportunites to foreigners... Which other countries are so good at that? :roll:

Oh well bay, that is because, the US people are dimwits. They cant handle their booming economy and they need asian brains to GROW. And since we Indians are poor in general are FORCED to come to the USA to help our family and stuff and to enjoy the luxuries here. Providing employment oppurtunities to people from other counties is certainly not a criterion to classify a country as good 8-)

:? Haven't u heard of politicians screaming that Foreginers are taking us Jobs, and the govt should concentrate on jobs here instead of going to asia? :lol2: That's why there are talks on new imigration reform. Regardless of what they say, less and less imigrants will be brought to the US in jobs now, BPOs are going to face a rough cut also, but the US will still continue giving life to many asians. :) And yes, it is a Criterion to classify a country's Greatness. :)

[thamizhvaanan]

I already said earlier that America's Foregin Policy needs reform...:? Iraq and Vietnam being good examples. I'm not the one misinterpreting. :) I never said that America's Wars and help to other nations is all out of good will...U jumped at that conclusion. :) I never said that Hiroshima was justified, u jumped at the conclution that the majoriy of Americans feel that way. :) etc
Good :clap: I see some improvement:cool:

If you DID concur with me in all these points, I wonder why u had to argue at stretch :lol2:

Bye :wave:

[Nerd]

Well yes. But the way we are treated here? The H1B hassles, lottery and stuff, stupid immigration policies. Also I can write pages about the ill-treatment I have faced thanks to my employer(s). Two people working on the same team, one an Indian and other a white will receive diff treatment from the employers in most cases, at least whatever I have heard.

But the times are changing and even in India there a LOT of high-paying jobs and most importantly there are a lot more jobs in which the job satisfaction is 100%. Also $ is now barely 40 Rs and lets see how it goes from now on. I am dying to go back anyway!

[Rocky_]

I concured a LONG TIME AGO TV! :lol2: Just not to the extent to which u were pulling america down, that's what I was argueing abt. :lol2:

I was sitting here wondering why u kept stressing on Hiroshima and nagasaki, and America's Foreign Policy when no one here really said the earlier was justified, or the latter of Impeccable! :lol2:

[m_23_bayarea]

:? Haven't u heard of politicians screaming that Foreginers are taking us Jobs, and the govt should concentrate on jobs here instead of going to asia? :lol2: That's why there are talks on new imigration reform. Regardless of what they say, less and less imigrants will be brought to the US in jobs now, BPOs are going to face a rough cut also, but the US will still continue giving life to many asians. :) And yes, it is a Criterion to classify a country's Greatness. :)

The country of America was formed based on Immigrants from various parts of Europe... And then Asia and other parts of the world! It's all about great minds coming together to form a better nation, suitable for all! Without immigration, this country would not have been formed, or would have survived for this long! Immigration can never be stopped or cut down, no matter what the Republicans say... It's the basis of this country, and they will always need more! Now that's a win to the US government... On the other hand, all the immigrants get a better life, and that's victory for them! :D :D

I'm not even sure what the immigration policy of our own India is! How welcoming are we to foreigners? But it's better not to compare India with the US in this regard... :oops:

[m_23_bayarea]

Well yes. But the way we are treated here? The H1B hassles, lottery and stuff, stupid immigration policies. Also I can write pages about the ill-treatment I have faced thanks to my employer(s). Two people working on the same team, one an Indian and other a white will receive diff treatment from the employers in most cases, at least whatever I have heard.

But the times are changing and even in India there a LOT of high-paying jobs and most importantly there are a lot more jobs in which the job satisfaction is 100%. Also $ is now barely 40 Rs and lets see how it goes from now on. I am dying to go back anyway!

I agree with you on the treatment and all that! I was in Iowa (a very conservative, Red-necky area), and it was a terrible experience for me! But California is like a safe-haven for immigrants for sure! :D :D

Abt the times changing in India, how is the situation for people who are not into Software? Do they all make $50K or more a month? How is this economy boom helping the lower middle class and poor people? :roll:

[Nerd]

Wait a minute, are we digressing :lol:

[thamizhvaanan]

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[m_23_bayarea]

Wait a minute, are we digressing :lol:

Yes, I intend to! After reading all the previous pages, and pointing out all the flaws in the US, let's look at our own country, and see how we're doing! :roll:

"Point one finger, and you'll have 3 fingers pointing at you"...

[thamizhvaanan]

Well, hiroshima and nagasaki was just one part of my arguements and I do see further improvement when you concede that american foreign policy is not impeccable :cool: :clap:

My intentions were crystal clear in the first post i made tonight.


I am not accusing american public and pardon me if I have made any ignorant comments on them. But the american public cannot continuously support and seek cover/excuse for the military expeditions of its nation. They should stop beleiving that their country is waging war for altruistic reasons and accept the true intent openly. If they continue to do so, soon America will be the modern day equivalent of Nazi germany.

Thats all I have to say :wave:

[Rocky_]

:? Haven't u heard of politicians screaming that Foreginers are taking us Jobs, and the govt should concentrate on jobs here instead of going to asia? :lol2: That's why there are talks on new imigration reform. Regardless of what they say, less and less imigrants will be brought to the US in jobs now, BPOs are going to face a rough cut also, but the US will still continue giving life to many asians. :) And yes, it is a Criterion to classify a country's Greatness. :)

The country of America was formed based on Immigrants from various parts of Europe... And then Asia and other parts of the world! It's all about great minds coming together to form a better nation, suitable for all! Without immigration, this country would not have been formed, or would have survived for this long! Immigration can never be stopped or cut down, no matter what the Republicans say... It's the basis of this country, and they will always need more! Now that's a win to the US government... On the other hand, all the immigrants get a better life, and that's victory for them! :D :D

:exactly: Tht's why this country has been more so open immigration than many others. :D


I'm not even sure what the immigration policy of our own India is! How welcoming are we to foreigners? But it's better not to compare India with the US in this regard... :oops:[/quote]

In any regard for that matter. :)

Also the UK can't really be compared either form what I hear, I'm not sure.

Ex: Jade Goody, the word PAKI being used in a derogotory way to insult someone. The signs "Indians and dogs not allowed" etc.

I'm not sure if it's widespread or not. Thta's why I'm not makeing a generalization.

[Rocky_]

They should stop beleiving that their country is waging war for altruistic reasons

And I had later said that we do not believe that. 8-)


and accept the true intent openly.

We do, we see that the wars have gains for us also along with helping the nation we are helping. I said this earlier as well.

[thamizhvaanan]

Wait a minute, are we digressing :lol: :lol: I have been digressing right from the beginning Nerd, without much guilt :ashamed:

[Nerd]

Well yes. But the way we are treated here? The H1B hassles, lottery and stuff, stupid immigration policies. Also I can write pages about the ill-treatment I have faced thanks to my employer(s). Two people working on the same team, one an Indian and other a white will receive diff treatment from the employers in most cases, at least whatever I have heard.

But the times are changing and even in India there a LOT of high-paying jobs and most importantly there are a lot more jobs in which the job satisfaction is 100%. Also $ is now barely 40 Rs and lets see how it goes from now on. I am dying to go back anyway!

I agree with you on the treatment and all that! I was in Iowa (a very conservative, Red-necky area), and it was a terrible experience for me! But California is like a safe-haven for immigrants for sure! :D :D

There you go! Now THIS is a criterion, right 8-)


Abt the times changing in India, how is the situation for people who are not into Software? Do they all make $50K or more a month? How is this economy boom helping the lower middle class and poor people? :roll:

Well the middle-class and poor people are not here, right. I mean if someone from the family is here they automatically qualify as upper-middle class at least. They will stay the same and there are millions of reasons for that.

Bay here you earn in dollars and spend in dollars :P

[thamizhvaanan]

We do, we see that the wars have gains for us also along with helping the nation we are helping. I said this earlier as well. and pls do not interfere if India wants to reprocess her nuclear fuel :lol:

[Rocky_]

We do, we see that the wars have gains for us also along with helping the nation we are helping. I said this earlier as well. and pls do not interfere if India wants to reprocess her nuclear fuel :lol:

I agree with that one! :lol:

[m_23_bayarea]

There you go! Now THIS is a criterion, right 8-)

Absolutely! I infact pointed out in my Immigration to the US thread, about how bad their procedures are only in Immigration but not in any other administative affairs! :cry:


Well the middle-class and poor people are not here, right. I mean if someone from the family is here they automatically qualify as upper-middle class at least. They will stay the same and there are millions of reasons for that.

Bay here you earn in dollars and spend in dollars :P

I agree! But one thing though in the US is, no matter what work you do, you can still afford everything! But in India, you have to be a certain kind of work and be in a certain class to afford it all... But for the poor people, they can only dream of even some basic things! Now doesnt that make the US special? :P

[Rocky_]

I agree! But one thing though in the US is, no matter what work you do, you can still afford everything! But in India, you have to be a certain kind of work and be in a certain class to afford it all... But for the poor people, they can only dream of even some basic things! Now doesnt that make the US special?

Bay! :D :clap:

Yeah, the Quality of Living of the Averag Citizen in a country makes a country great. How teh nation takes care of it's Citizens. :)

A person can still live a decent life here by working in McDs if he keeps at it. personally know a Desi guy who dropped out of high School, and started working in Mc Donalds, ab a decade ago, now he has a house and 2 cars because of the oppertunities he had in that line of work itself.

Anyone can live a content life here, still afford most things etc :) That's not teh case with not just india, but with Many other countries in the world. 8-)

[rajraj]

Nakeeran: Converts sing louder !

So we're Converted Americans now!? :rotfl: This reflects the Typical Ignorant Understanding that anyone white is American and anyone non-white isn't! :lol: Being an American has nothing to do with COlor...Innum Ethana varushathukku thaan intha Pethals? :huh: Evolve Peeps!! :lol2:

What is ur Criteria for being an American anyway? Please answer or :shhh:

Surya: You have to grow up a lot and learn a lot! I hope your stay in Madras teaches you all that including what it takes to get a MBBS. Look up what that saying means. There was no reference to color, race or national origin. The trouble is that you 'shoot from the hip'. For your information I have been in the US for more than 41 years and it will be 42 come September.
I am an American citizen. But, I will never call this the greatest country on earth. It is probably the greatest in some aspects. But, not across the board in every aspect. There is a dark side to every country. It takes time to find out what it is. You have led a sheltered life so far. I think you are just finishing high school or pre-med. With time you will learn about the dark side. :)
If you are a naturalized US citizen you know the criteria(requirements). Otherwise, ask your parents! :)
Best wishes for a successful stay in Madras.

[m_23_bayarea]

A person can still live a decent life here by working in McDs if he keeps at it. personally know a Desi guy who dropped out of high School, and started working in Mc Donalds, ab a decade ago, now he has a house and 2 cars because of the oppertunities he had in that line of work itself.


Good example!

* A guy working as a waiter in a US restaurant can afford to have a normal living just like a Software Engineer, with some exceptions obviously!

* A guy working as a waiter in an Indian restaurant! What's his standard of living? Does he even get the basic 3 meals a day? :roll:

I'm not trying to portray India in bad light! Definitely not, I love India, it's my country too... But I think we should atleast think before bashing a country like US that has given sooooo many good lives to foreginers, as much as we've done in the previous pages! :oops: :cry: :oops:

[Nerd]

Bay and Rock,

Yes. That is true for the citizens/PRs. They can live anywhere and work anywhere. USA has a lot of people working for them who are not their citizens/PRs. Me, bay are examples and well we can't work at McDs or wherever. We gotta find a company that sponsors our visa and once after you have a job then you cant switch if your PR is being processed. You gotta stick with them for 4-5 years.

Bay, basic things differ from country to country. In India you would be happy with a bike. 60K Max and thats actually affordable. Here I dream of driving a 7-series. Now can I afford that here?

[Rocky_]

Also the Educational System. 8-)

Ppl are repetedly given 2nd chances here. That's not the case in Europe either. :(

Here if someone doesn't get into teh College he wants, then he can go to a Junior College, and transfer into that college that he wanted to go to in the first place after 2 years. And he'd be a 3rd year student in that college.

If Someone has atrocious grades that he can't even get into a college, he can still go to a Junior college and transfer to a top notch univercity after 2 years like UC Berkeley. :D

If someone Drops out of High School, then he or she can STILL write teh GED (High school diploma test) later on, go to a JC and still go to a top notch Univercity liek UC Berkeley. :clap:

And when one graduates from UC Berkeley he will be just like any other UC Berkeley graduate! 8-) His certificate will not say anyhitn abt his HS grades, or that he went to a JC first! :clap:

Ther is absolutlley no way to not have an education in the US xcept for Pure laziness. 8-)

And these methods are very easily used by many many americans. 8-) 8-)

[Nerd]

If you are a naturalized US citizen you know the criteria(requirements). Otherwise, ask your parents! :)


Bull's eye! :clap: :clap:

[Nerd]

Good example!

* A guy working as a waiter in a US restaurant can afford to have a normal living just like a Software Engineer, with some exceptions obviously!
Absolutely NOT. I am a software Engineer and I know a few guys (illegal immigrants of course) working in gas stations and liquor stores and I have never seen them happy. They are always so lifeless :(

* A guy working as a waiter in an Indian restaurant! What's his standard of living? Does he even get the basic 3 meals a day? :roll:
India is a poor country and we have to live with that.


Disclaimer: I am not claiming that India is better than USA or the vice versa. I still dont' know!

[m_23_bayarea]

I am an American citizen. But, I will never call this the greatest country on earth. It is probably the greatest in some aspects. But, not across the board in every aspect. There is a dark side to every country.

Absoultely! Pros and Cons applies to all nations.... :D :D

[m_23_bayarea]

Bay, basic things differ from country to country. In India you would be happy with a bike. 60K Max and thats actually affordable. Here I dream of driving a 7-series. Now can I afford that here?

So we're not having the same scale for measurement then! We have a higher scale for the US to analyze... That itself makes it a great country! :P

[Rocky_]

It takes time to find out what it is. You have led a sheltered life so far. I think you are just finishing high school or pre-med. With time you will learn about the dark side.

I see it rajraj, i wasn't all sheltered. I did go to one of the most ghetto high schools in the state of california for 2 years (9th and 10th). I've seen how things like Gun Control, etc are a problem. :) I knwo abt the holes in America's Foreing Policy.

I have more nationalism in me than even my friends, which is why I say Greatest, like u said, every country has it's dark sides. I wouldn't xcept even the average american to call the US as teh Greatest! :D But, the way this country takes care of it's citizens, the oppertunities that this nation gives it's immigrants to live a decent life (if they're willing), the education system which gives even the worst student in the country to still get a PhD if he wishes to @ the age of 40, are just among the hundrend other things, which I think make the US one of the great nations like UK, Canada, many European Countries. :)

I knwo abt the procedures for Naturalization, I've asked my parents before. :) Thanks for the Wishes. :D and srry for misunderstanding the quote, kannan told me so before. :)

[Rocky_]

Yes. That is true for the citizens/PRs. They can live anywhere and work anywhere. USA has a lot of people working for them who are not their citizens/PRs. Me, bay are examples and well we can't work at McDs or wherever. We gotta find a company that sponsors our visa and once after you have a job then you cant switch if your PR is being processed. You gotta stick with them for 4-5 years.


nerd, :)
I dont' know if u've come across such ppl, but i ahve, and I think bay might have, there are many mexican, Irish, and even Indians who have come to the US with just a few bucks in their pocket, and now have a well off life. That credit HAS TO go to the Oppertunities this country gives to such imigrants. :)

[m_23_bayarea]

Yes. That is true for the citizens/PRs. They can live anywhere and work anywhere. USA has a lot of people working for them who are not their citizens/PRs. Me, bay are examples and well we can't work at McDs or wherever. We gotta find a company that sponsors our visa and once after you have a job then you cant switch if your PR is being processed. You gotta stick with them for 4-5 years.


nerd, :)
I dont' know if u've come across such ppl, but i ahve, and I think bay might have, there are many mexican, Irish, and even Indians who have come to the US with just a few bucks in their pocket, and now have a well off life. That credit HAS TO go to the Oppertunities this country gives. :)

Personally, I had nothing except a $6000 loan to pay for my 1st semester tuition! That was it... From then, an on-campus job to finish my Masters, a stupid Indian Consulting company to get my first H1B after graduation, and now a better Consulting company, which is gonna file for my Green Card! It was a tough ride.... As an immigrant, you just have to have an open mind, and be ready for hard work, sleepless nights, stress and depression at regular intervals! :oops:

But if you come here for a job, or as a dependent, it is very different from the word go.... Perhaps, if you listen to them, they might have some darker experiences too! :cry:

But the same amount of hard work in India doesnt take many lower class or poor people anywhere! :cry: :oops: :cry:

[Rocky_]

Bay, basic things differ from country to country. In India you would be happy with a bike. 60K Max and thats actually affordable. Here I dream of driving a 7-series. Now can I afford that here?

So we're not having the same scale for measurement then! We have a higher scale for the US to analyze... That itself makes it a great country! :P

:thumbsup: :D

[Nerd]

Moving on, is racism a criterion? I have not been personally racially abused but there were a few instances. Anyway India is also racist with all the northie southie BS. But I think racism is actually worse in this part of the world :roll:

[Nerd]

But the same amount of hard work in India doesnt take many lower class or poor people anywhere! :cry: :oops: :cry:

Oh well dont tell me that bay. Havent you heard of all the street-light stories? I personally know of a guy who hails from a very poor family. He graduated from an IIM and now he is earning 15L with just a year and a half of experience.

[Rocky_]

But if you come here for a job, or as a dependent, it is very different from the word go.... Perhaps, if you listen to them, they might have some darker experiences too!

Yes i have. Since they were illegal, they had to work inhumane hours for the first few years. They weren't given minimum wage by their employers. But my point was that now, at this point in their lives, they are happy that they came to America because the oppertunities here have given them so much room to accomplish what they need to. :)


But the same amount of hard work in India doesnt take many lower class or poor people anywhere!

Not just in India, in many other 1st world countries itself. :)

[m_23_bayarea]

But the same amount of hard work in India doesnt take many lower class or poor people anywhere! :cry: :oops: :cry:

Oh well dont tell me that bay. Havent you heard of all the street-light stories? I personally know of a guy who hails from a very poor family. He graduated from an IIM and now he is earning 15L with just a year and a half of experience.

How many people can make it to IIM? Why only IIM? What happens to people that work hard in other Business Mgmt institutions? Dont they all teach the same stuff? :?

Even here, if you graduate from Stanford, you get better jobs! But still, the difference is not as wide as IIM versus any smaller MBA school! :oops:

[rajraj]

Surya: A minor correction. Some schools limit admission to a Ph.D program to those under 35. The school I attended (Northwestern) did so. It depends on the school and the department. You are right about higher education in the US. Anybody who wants to go to college can find a college. It may not be the college she/he wants. That creates problems. The state where I live has a policy that everyone in the top half of their high school class should be admitted. It becomes a disaster when they pick hard majors like engineering. I was a professor in the local university for several years. I was frustrated with the mathematical ability of the students I taught and made a comment to fellow professor that 75% of the students did not belong in engineering. To which he replied," You are being generous. It is more like 90%".
There is one aspect which can be called the greatest that you left out. Even the poorest can go to Stanford, if they are accepted. Stanford makes it almost free and they seek the diversity- the well to do who can pay the $45 - 50 K a year as well as the poorest who survived on one meal a day. The universities take social responsibility seriously.

[m_23_bayarea]

But if you come here for a job, or as a dependent, it is very different from the word go.... Perhaps, if you listen to them, they might have some darker experiences too!

Yes i have. Since they were illegal, they had to work inhumane hours for the first few years. They weren't given minimum wage by their employers. But my point was that now, at this point in their lives, they are happy that they came to America because the oppertunities here have given them so much room to accomplish what they need to. :)



No, I was talking abt Indians coming here for jobs to corporations and their dependents! They make a salary right from their first month, so it's relatively easy, as opposed to an incoming student who has no penny! :cry:

[Rocky_]

Moving on, is racism a criterion? I have not been personally racially abused but there were a few instances. Anyway India is also racist with all the northie southie BS.

Not just that, there is also racism based on religion. I am ashamed to say taht i used to fall into that trap as well.

Also Chaste based Rasicm is still very prevelent.


But I think racism is actually worse in this part of the world

Racism used to be rampid up until the 70's. But after that many things has changed. Racism will exist everywhere, but in the US it's considerably less (Excluding dieing organizations like KKK, Neo Nazies etc) Although it is still out there, but it's not really a force to reckon with.

I mean come on! Barak Obama, a black, muslim is running for precident and he is actually gaining more and more support, almost as much as Hillary Clinton. :D

There are many white/xtian candidates who aren't even anywhere close to where he is now like Joe Biden for ex. :D

[Rocky_]

Surya: A minor correction. Some schools limit admission to a Ph.D program to those under 35. The school I attended (Northwestern) did so. It depends on the school and the department. You are right about higher education in the US. Anybody who wants to go to college can find a college. It may not be the college she/he wants. That creates problems. The state where I live has a policy that everyone in the top half of their high school class should be admitted. It becomes a disaster when they pick hard majors like engineering. I was a professor in the local university for several years. I was frustrated with the mathematical ability of the students I taught and made a comment to fellow professor that 75% of the students did not belong in engineering. To which he replied," You are being generous. It is more like 90%".
There is one aspect which can be called the greatest that you left out. Even the poorest can go to Stanford, if they are accepted. Stanford makes it almost free and they seek the diversity- the well to do who can pay the $45 - 50 K a year as well as the poorest who survived on one meal a day. The universities take social responsibility seriously.

Yes, that's true. For Ex, my girlfriend went to UC Davis based on her grades which were impeccable, but then she later dropped out and went to another univercity which had less vigorus standards. :)

but what i meant was, there are possibilities here. there are many unlike my gf, who don't drop out, take tutoring courses etc and learn to cope up with the Standrads, and teh curriculum. :)

Reg Social resp with unis. :yes: :D

[Nerd]

Rocky, I wasnt talking about racism in the *highest* level. We all know that all the companies are equal oppurtunity employers. I have been asked a lot of times by whites/blacks if I am an Indian and why cant I find jobs there. This aint racist but wtf is their problem? And in most public places asians dont deserve the same treatment as that of whites. I have heard whites explicitly commenting bad on mexican/chinese/Indian accents. Also in clubs and stuff chicks always sideline the uncool desis, j/k :lol:

Anyway why isnt anyone talking about australia? My dad says thats the best place to live on earth but I have never been there :P

[m_23_bayarea]

It's called Racism in the US!

It's called Casteism and Class in India!

:roll:

[m_23_bayarea]

Rocky, I wasnt talking about racism in the *highest* level. We all know that all the companies are equal oppurtunity employers. I have been asked a lot of times by whites/blacks if I am an Indian and why cant I find jobs there. This aint racist but wtf is their problem? And in most public places asians dont deserve the same treatment as that of whites. I have heard whites explicitly commenting bad on mexican/chinese/Indian accents. Also in clubs and stuff chicks always sideline the uncool desis, j/k :lol:


* How many Indian companies will hire White/Black/Asian people?

* How many non-Hindi speaking people are welcomed in the north?

* How many non-Tamil speaking people are welcomed in TN?

* How many Indian gals will dance with an uncool black or Asian guy in a club in India? May be, they will dance with white guys, I donno!

* First of all, even amongst our Indians, we fight on language, class, and culture! Then how is our treatment toward International people? And now we're talkin abt how racist America is towards others? :roll:

[Rocky_]

Rocky, I wasnt talking about racism in the *highest* level. We all know that all the companies are equal oppurtunity employers. I have been asked a lot of times by whites/blacks if I am an Indian and why cant I find jobs there. This aint racist but wtf is their problem? And in most public places asians dont deserve the same treatment as that of whites. I have heard whites explicitly commenting bad on mexican/chinese/Indian accents.

:lol: yeah, well...even many American desies have done that. I have also made fun of many foreign exchange student's accents. :oops: I regret it now, but I did do it once. The same White ameican who made fun of the accents won't make fun of an ameican desi's accent if he doesn't have one. But I have had some ppl come to me and say "it's strage, u don't have teh thick indian accent. :?" my reply is always "I'm from San Francisco!" :P


Also in clubs and stuff chicks always sideline the uncool desis, j/k :lol:

:lol:


Anyway why isnt anyone talking about australia? My dad says thats the best place to live on earth but I have never been there :P

I hear it's awesome...I've also heard abt racism in Australia (Nala Dhamayanthi :lol2: ) anyone know abt that?

[Rocky_]

* First of all, even amongst our Indians, we fight on language, class, and culture! Then how is our treatment toward International people? And now we're talkin abt how racist America is towards others?

I once went to india with a friend of mine. She is white american. And the ppl on the streets just stare like they've got nothing else do to! :lol:

when we asked my uncle who works at a 5star hotel, he said "staring is part of teh culture." and he looked at me and said "Hotel-le irukara driversku ellam naange training kudupom, how to deal with Fireigners nu, but avangale, vella karangala paatha merandu poyi morachi morachi paapaanunge!"

:rotfl:

Although it's not rcism, it makes me very uncomfortable.

[Nerd]

Bay, India is racist, true. They always fall for fair skin :P and we always RESPECT the foreigners in India, no matter what. Even the drug dealers respect the foreigners for obv reasons :lol:

[m_23_bayarea]

Bay, India is racist, true. They always fall for fair skin :P and we always RESPECT the foreigners in India, no matter what. Even the drug dealers respect the foreigners for obv reasons :lol:

We respect foreigners if they are TOURISTS! But if they all go our schools, colleges, and workplaces? Will we be sooo RESPECTFUL then? :?

If your answer is YES, then why dont we be respectful of our own people first? I mean, people from other states, who speak other languages, who belong to other religions, and especially the ones that are POOR? :roll:

[rajraj]

Australia had 'whites only' immigration policy which , I think, was changed in the 80s. There was no such policy in the US, to my knowledge. Certainly not after 1965 when the doors were opened wide for Asians.

[Rocky_]

We respect foreigners if they are TOURISTS! But if they all go our schools, colleges, and workplaces?

I heard even NRIs (let alone other races) face problems from local students. :shaking: Which is why I chose SRMC which has a big NRI population, so the damage will be minimum.

[Nerd]

We respect foreigners if they are TOURISTS! But if they all go our schools, colleges, and workplaces? Will we be sooo RESPECTFUL then? :?

Yes. Its been happening. I dont know about offices and stuff but in schools/colleges there are a lot of foreign people studying these days. Even bangladeshis are treated better in India. Not the same case here, am afraid.


If your answer is YES, then why dont we be respectful of our own people first? I mean, people from other states, who speak other languages, who belong to other religions, and especially the ones that are POOR? :roll:

Are the rich americans respectful of the poor? And people in the west hate texans, seriously 8-)

[rajraj]

* First of all, even amongst our Indians, we fight on language, class, and culture! Then how is our treatment toward International people? And now we're talkin abt how racist America is towards others?

I once went to india with a friend of mine. She is white american. And the ppl on the streets just stare like they've got nothing else do to! :lol:

Although it's not rcism, it makes me very uncomfortable.

They were curious just as the Americans were curious when I landed here in JFK in 1970 with my wife clad in sari. :lol:

[kannannn]

Anyway why isnt anyone talking about australia? My dad says thats the best place to live on earth but I have never been there :P

I hear it's awesome...I've also heard abt racism in Australia (Nala Dhamayanthi :lol2: ) anyone know abt that?

I too have heard of racism in Australia. Maybe Australian hubbers can enlighten us.

The best country I have visited so far is Holland. One heck of a place to live in. The country is very liberal (the most tolerant in Europe), the weather is great and above all, people don't have a problem speaking in English (unlike other European countries). My dream country :notworthy:

[Rocky_]

Australia had 'whites only' immigration policy which , I think, was changed in the 80s. There was no such policy in the US, to my knowledge. Certainly not after 1965 when the doors were opened wide for Asians.

Yup, we didn't have any such laws for imigration, but the furthest we went was putting seperate Schools for whites an non-white which was back in the earlier part of the 1900s.

I hate to say it, but the hippie cultural revolution in the US really opened the minds of Many, and made many things which were taboo earilier accepted.

Ofcourse, many good things whch should've remained taboo were also let loose! :lol: Like the use of LSD and other drugs.