G.Ramanathan

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Topic started by aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on Fri Aug 22 19:43:36 EDT 1997.
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I am starting solely on suyanalam. I am amazed at the ease with which
GR gives excellent classical songs in TF. Some I remember are

1. kuRangilirunthup piRanthavan manithan (beautiful shanmukapriya)
2. vasanthamullaip pOlE vanthu asainthu Adum peNpuRavE (chArukesi)
3. ninainthu ninainthu nenjam uruguthE (another excellent shanmukapriya)
Can you add to these list. I would like to stick to GR (he sounds a purist).

Is mullaimalar mElE moikkum vaNdu pOlE by GR?

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aruLarasan:

Indeed "mullaimalar mElE.." is by GR. (I think its from Uththama puththiran)

There is a good song in "ponmudi" by GR. He himself has sung a song in that film. Any idea about that song?

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I think "sindhanai sei manamE..(TMS)" is also by GR. Can someone clarify? Film ???

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Pags:

"sindhanai sey manamE" is from Ambikaapathy. (I think
it is the first of those 100 songs A'pathy sings
before his death.)

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Is "Sundari Soundhari Nirandhariyae" from Thookku Thookki by GR? Who are the singers?

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Kanchana:

TMS + Leela + one other female singer (?)

AruLarasan:

We put up an article in PPP, taken from a book on K'dhasan
which said that the song, "kanavu kaNdEn naan kanavu kaNdEn"
(music MSV/TKR) was the first duet in "mugaari";
but, Rajaraman says GR was the first to compose
a duet in mugaari: "vaadaamalarE enadhanbE" in
A'pathy. I thought you would be interested in
this info. I don't know anything about raagaas,
but, that article said composing a duet in
mugaari is rare. The article is at:
http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/ppp/kann9.html

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Uthama puthiran, Ambikapathy, Thooku thooki
are three of his greatest musical hits. Vanangaamudi, kaathavaraayan, manthiri kumaari,
mathurai veeran, veerapaandiya katta
bomman are other notable ones.

UP
yaaradi nee mohini - first western-ized tfm song
unnazhagai kanniyargal kandathinaale
kaathiruppaan kamala kannan
mullai malar mele

Amb
sinthanai sei maname
vaadaamalare enathanbe - Mukhaari for an excellent
duet!
kannile iruppathenna kanni ilamaane

TT
pengalai nambaathe
kurangilirunthu
sundari sowndhari - kurinji raagam

V.mudi
Omkaaramaai vilangum naatham - Keeravaani
kalaye un nilayethum kaanaa
raajayogame paareer

K.varaayan
vaa kalaabamayile

Mkumaari:
ulavum thendral
vaaraai

M veeran
aadal kaaneero
naadagamellaam kanden
vaanga machaan vaanga

There are many more. I'll write a detailed article
as part of pre-MSV era account.

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Ahaa pramaatham! Aanal orey oru santheygam. Raajaramanukku vayathu yennervo?

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Some GR songs from Veerapandiya Kattabomman:

inbum pongum vennila
anjadha singam en kaLai
pogadhE pogadhE en kaNava

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As I mentioned before, Thookku Thookki's "Sundari Soundhari" is one of my favorites. P.Leela's voice (Thanks Sathiya Keerthi!) has a layam and izhaivu in this song that is mesmerizing.

MandhiriKumari's "Ulavum thenral kaatrinilae" was sung by K.R.Ramaswamy and Leela(?) As per my Mom's account, that is the scene where the husband is planning to push his wife into the river from the boat: the wife's words are innocent but the husband's words have an underlying meaning in this duet. KRR's voice, the flowing tune and the lyrics capture the essence of the scene very well. (I have never seen this movie which is an adaptation of the Perumkaappiam Gundalakaeshi.)

Also, KRR has a song "Ennai thaedaadhae enru solludhae, enna sonnaalum kann thaedudhae". Is that one of GR's creations?

I'm looking forward to Rajaraman's account in the pre-TKR/MSV thread.

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Is "vElaikkaari" (CNA's sotry/dialogues) by GR?? There are good songs in that film too. I remember KRR's "innamum paaraa mugam Enammaa.."

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Kanchana:

Two clarifications on MandhiriKumari:

1. The song you are referring to, in which the
villain invites his wife (Mandhiri Kumari) to
a cliff to push her down (but ultimately she pushes him
down), is "vaaraay nee vaaraay, pOgum idam vegu
dhooramillai, nee vaaraay" and not "ulavum thendral
kaatrinilE" (which is from the same movie).

2. I think the singer in both the songs is
Thiruchi Lokanathan.

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Rajaraman

I was told by somebody that the last portion of the song 'maasilaa nilavE nam' (ambikaapathi) is based on mukaari. The piece goes like

vENugaanam thenralOdu sErntha pinnaalE

Why didn't anybody mention about 'manam kanintharuL vElmurugaa' from vee.paa.ka.bomman. It is another classical example of kurinji, following the lines of 'sundhari sowndhari'.

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GR's another two movies:

satharAm (is it VenkatrAman ??)

samsAram samsAram..sagalatharma thArama..

sarangathArA:

???? songs

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Sathiya Keerthi:
Thanks for re-educating me. When I 'phone my parents in India next time, I'll bring up the MandhiriKumari details and correct their perceptions.

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Kanchana & Sathiya Keerthi,

Both situations are true. In one movie
pushing from the cliff which keerthi is
correct, in another movie there is a seen
pushing from the boat, but I not sure of the
song & movie ?

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Thanks a lot folks (and please keep posting). Especial thanks to
rAjArAm. I didn't know that many of my favorites were composed by GR.

Is vadivElum mayilum thuNai by GR.

nanRi naNbargLE.

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Bhaskar:

Are you referring to the song from ThenNilavu, in
which Nambiar pushes his wife from a boat in
the middle of Kashmir lake? That song is:
oorengum thEdinEn oruvarai kaNdEn. It is a
nice song by Jikki; it starts slowly, but
builds up momentum and ends-up with a very
serious isai. The MD for that movie is AMRaja.

KappalOttiya Thamizhan is by GR. The tune for "kaatru veLiyidai kaNNammaa" is a lovely one.
I am sure it is based on some raaga.
Especially I like the part in which PBS sings

endhan vaayinilE amudhooruthE
KaNNammaa endra pEr sollum pOdhilE

and, when he repeats, the lines are interchanged.

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Pagalavan

the ponmudi song is neela vanum sung by g.Ramanathan and T.V.Rethanam

Some more songs
katruveliyidai kannama--kappalotiya thamizhan
bambara kannale -- manamagan
chinna payale chinna payale -- arasilangumari
all songs from sivakavi
etc..

Sollikkonde pogalam

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Aravind:
Thx for letting us know "Sundhari Soundhari Nirandhariyae" is kurinji--it remains one of my favorite songs to date. Does anyone know the situation of that song? I have not seen Thookku Thookki. Thx.

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Kanchana! Kanchana!

I saw Thook Thook last weekend in Raj TV.
Sivaji got pissed with his wife (Kolaiyum seivAL
pathini) and her sort-of-an-affair with somebody
and trying to attack her madly - she pulled some string and ULTAed the whole thing - Sivaji on
the run to some other country posing as a KIRUKAN.
He meets two sisters - Padmini & Ragini going
to the temple following them. He acts as a
Kirukan by repeating and doing whatever others are
saying/doing:
Yov YaaryA nee!
Yov YaayyA nee!

inga pArrA solratha thirumbi solrAn
inga pArrA solratha thirumbi solrAn

sariyana kirukan pOla
sariyana kirukan pOla

then in the temple, sisters start singing -
SivAji repeats the same lines - initially they
get irritated and later they start enjoying it and
appoint him as thooku thooki - one who caaries
stuff around when Ranis go places.

Then I switched the channels and started watching
NinaithAlE inikkum - BIG RAJINI FAN!!
BIG RAJINI FAN!!

Another GR song from SathAram is:

ninainthu ninainthu nenjam uruguthE

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Aayiram Peyarudaiya Aboorva Sindhamani Bones: Thank you!

(Digression: Is there a classic TV cable channel in Madras where you get to watch good oldies? That's a great way for you to stay in touch with the oldies; here in the U.S. I just rely on my CD/audio/video-cassette collections. Of late, some classics are coming out in DVD.)

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Kanchana: DD-1?

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To sathiya keerthi:

I think the song "Kaatru veliyile kannammaa" is based on the ragam mohanam.

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To Kanchana :
'Of late, some classics are coming out in DVD.'

Do you mean DVD or Video CD ? In New Jersey, I have seen old and new Tamil movies displayed on Video CD. But not DVD. I haven't seen and Indian movie on DVD.

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Digression (contd.):

PG: I've responded to your DVD/CD question in the Technology and TFM thread in this forum to minimize the extent of digression here & look forward to your response there. I apologize for the inconvenience.

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One more movie for which GR composed music:
Chakravathy ThirumagaL starring MGR, PS Veerappa, Anjali Devi, S.Varalakshmi et al. Not upto par versus Ambikapathy & Thookku Thooki. One of the funny songs is un athaanum naanthaanae sattai pothaanum naanthaanae, one other duet by Seerkazhi & Pleela was OK, another duet was a ragamalgai like Ambikapathy's maasilla nilavae but not as good. Is this too much info?

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I saw "Theivathin theivam" last week, I had been
thinking (and also listed in PPP) all along that
MD was KVM...but to my surprise it was GR.

It had few good songs:
kannan mana nilail thangamE thangam - SJ
nee illAtha ulagathilE nimmathy illai - PS

For a chnage from his karnatic agramippu, GR has
given good mellisai in this movie.

The movie had its KSG touches. After seeing few
movies of KSG (saradha, kumudham, deivathin deivam,
kai kodutha theivam, karpagam) I have become a BIG
fan of KSG. His charactrization is GREAT, dialogues
and screenpaly are really good.
He has SUCH a positive attitude towards life which
reflects in his characters. Even villains in his
movies are very straightforward tell the hero that
they don't like him - also once-n-while he shows
the humane side of villains.

I want to write so much about his movies..but this
is NOT the place - will put them in PPP.

MANITHANEYA dir. KSG vAzga!

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Bones:
At the risk of digressing some of the later movies of KSG include Panamaa Paasamaa, Uriraa Maanamaa, Kulamaa Gunamaa, Vaazhayadi Vaazhai and Adhi Paraasakthi.

In Deivathin Deivam, kannanin mana nilayai is a Bharadhiyar song to which GR's music does justice. ungaLukku andha padathil varra annamae PS/LRE paattu pidikkalayaa?

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KSG faded away from Tamil filmdom after the arrival of Bharathiraja, Mahendran etc. During that overlapping period he still continued to make films with lengthy dialogues (vaLa vaLa vasangaL for the critics ) and even went on saying that his films didn't need to be in color and directed Adukkumalli (*ing Sujatha). Later he made a color film Neer nilam neruppu (Sujatha again). I think this was in 80/81 timeframe.

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The lowest point of his career must be when he made a Raamaraajan starrer in the 90s - 'paarthaal pasu'. Was touted as his come back... but faded away insignificantly. Thank god. Padam bayangara kEvalamA irundhathu. :-(.

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He also introduced his son ks???? thro'athai madi methaiyadi'(with Pallavi,Ilavarasi)adhuvum bayangaraaaaaaaaaaa oothals.
Was KSG the director for 'kula vizhakku'??(*ing Saroja devi,Gemini-this film has a good song-poov poova poothirukku boomiyile aayiram poo)

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Bones

I do not know about the other movies but 'kai koduththa theivam' was very bad. rombavum muttaaLthanamaana padam. enna solla varugiraar enRE puriyavillai. Oh!! Yes!! This is irrelevent here. Sorry for that.

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Ramki, Ravi, Ravy:

I agree that KSG did produce some rubbish; the
ultimate low was Kaaviyath Thalaivan
starring V'kanth and Bhanupriya (double role).
But, in his hey-days he produced master pieces
(some already mentioned). Since the digression
factor is heavy, I have put my remarks at
http://www.cadcam.nus.sg/~mpessk/ksg.html (http://www.cadcam.nus.sg/~mpessk/ksg.html
)
Send your remarks on these to me by e-mail.

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KSG patri ezuthi iruppathu arumai. antha
"sinnanj chiru ulagathai" pArthE AganumE.

Yesterday I watched 'Selvam' (pAthithAn mudichirukEn)
KSG's characters and dialogu are really touching.

jathagam/josiyam ithil irukkum mooda nambikaigalai
arumaiyA - yAraiyum ithu right/thappu endru
sollAmal - practicala eppdi nadakirathu endru
beautifulA sollitu irukkAr.

padathil Nagaiyavin simple dialogue::

"manusanA piranthA magilchiyA irukanum -
yAr yArukku ethila nambikai irukkO athu moolama
magilchiyA irunthA sari"

Saradha - newly married & unable to have sex
so what todo endra sensitive topic

Theivathin Theivam - vithavai marumanam

kumudham - After love failure how a good friendship
can be maintained
kai kodutha theivam - being innocent & simple
(Arvind: why pidikalai ?)

ippdi pala arbuthamAna karuthukaLai - azagA simpleA soli irukAr KSG. Definitely he is
"iyakunar thilagam" (like sivaji & savithri & KVM).

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Bones:

I remember seeing Selvam about 15 yrs ago and liked it.. (AvaLa sonnaL irukkadhu). Is it the one that has SV Rangarao as the doctor? I enjoyed his causal style of delivering the dialogues.

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I dont remember seeing Rangarao in 'selvam'.

Other 2 good songs from Selvam'ondra iranda eduthu solla'(great tune)and 'unakkagava naan'(But Ravy personally i didnt like this film -Sivaji overacts in a lot of sequences )

Aravind aen ungalukku kai kodutha deivam pidikkalai??It is one of the few tamil films i wish to see again(Savithri madhiri andha role
yaarum pannirkka mudiyadhu)

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Adding one more piece:
KSG repeats the entire unakkaagavaa song from Selvam in his later-days movie Vaazhayadi Vaazhai.

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Ramki and Bones

What does KSG want to convey in that movie? Why does he say that being innocent and simple will lead to an immature death?

SSR does not suspect his wife when the entire factory talks bad about her. He knows her only for sometime. But he suspects his sister whom he knows since birth. Is this not a character inconsistancy?

ippadai oru character create paNNi En Savithriyai saagadikkaNum? avarai saagadippathil KSGkku enna perverted pleasure?

Irritating movie!!

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Ramki;

When I watch old Sivaji movies I try to have the mindset that over-acting was considered as acting at that time. But the problem is he hung on to that for a long time. I recently saw DhavaNik kanavugaL and sometimes it was irritably over-acting.
BTW I think Gemini's acting skills were unfairly downplayed by the media. I like Sumaithangi for his subdued acting and he pipped Sivaji (alaya maNi) for the best actor award in that year. Sorry for the digression.

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Ravy i agree totally with u abt Geminis performance in 'sumaithangi'. It was really fantastic and ofcourse he deserved the award

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Hi,
GR has also worked extensively with MKThigaraja bagavathar. I think Amarakavi is one of his great work.
Any more film with MKT and GR combination?

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Are you talking about the movie "Sivakavi"?
What are the songs in "Amarakavi"?

Sivakavi had the song "sopana vaazhivil magizhndhu, subramanya swami ninai maranden"

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Haridas is another film with MKT, GR and Papanasam Sivan combo. The songs include: "Manmada leelayai
venrar undo" and "Krishna Mukunda".

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Anybody has a discography of GR?
Schekhar

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Can I buy a Video CD titled "Veerapandya Kattabomman" (Tamil) by Sivaji Ganesan. Let me know the price and if possible by VPP?

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You should hear G Ramanathan sing "Ejamaan petra selvame en chinna ejamaane". This song was tuned by KVM and sung by GR. It is laden with expression and shruthi purity and the diction is excellent. For the boost we give for cetain present day MDs who bray, GR has been to humble.

All GRs composition are par with Pure classical krithis and can be sung in a pure music forum in places like Music Academy! But unfortunately it has not happened.

Chakravarthi Thirumagal had great songs with GRs songs with a variety of songs sung by Sirkali and other singers.

Mukari a crying raga - was used in 'Ambigapathy' for a Romantic duet of Sivaji and Banumathy.
Today MDs make even happy ragas into sogams.
There is no replacement for GR.

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The movie `MADHURAI VEERAN' has three songs with adopted tunes.
1.Eatchu pilaikum tholiley sarithana(TMS & Jikki) is same tune as Theena karuna karane by MKT Bagawathar
2.Avarkum enakun (Banumathy)is same as Unakkum Enakun(Jikki)in the film `Illara Jothi'.
3.Thaney Thannanna (cant remember the starting lines) by P.Leela & Jikki is a tune from Jikki's song `Earu poooti povaye anney chinnannaey' film Kalam Mari Pochu (Gemini Ganesh).
G.Ramanathan may have copied his own tunes in the first and second songs, but definitely lifted Master Venu's tune in the third song.

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g.ramanathan copied master venu's song from telugu film and tuned "chumMA IRUNTHA SOTHUKKU NASHTAM"

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g ramanathan has not copied master venu's tunes. he tuned and the record was released first. only master venu copies from g r

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Can any one help me get the song of Bharathiyar's "Kannan en sevakan" ("Coolie migakketpar koduthathellam than marappar") set to music and sung by the late great G.Ramanatha Iyer.
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"vENugaanam thenralOdu sErntha pinnaalE..."
the last part of "vAdA malarE... "
I think is punnAga varaLi