A shame

[sarna_blr]

One of my childhood friends was the eldest of 6 and his dad worked with my dad, but was an alcoholic. Apart from not giving a paisa to home, he'll hit wife, throw vessels around, shout and abuse children. The mom, though wanted to remedy the situation, had only primary education. So what did she finally do? Worked in the local school kitchen and brought up all the children. Can we tell her to sit home, after all 'uththiyOgam is purusha lakshanam'? Then we won't have 6 mature adults in the society today (and my friend later took care of his dad's addiction after he grew up and employed, by treating him in a clinic), but possibly criminals.

So, the decision to work or not has to be on a case-by-case basis. There cannot be a blanket statement.

but this is not proper example(IMHO).....

[app_engine]

sarna_blr, I agree this is not an example to support women going to job or seeking a career. Just to dispel the myth that 'u is purusha lakshanam'. Agreed it's the respo for man to provide for his family, in general. However, some "extreme" statements need countering by "extreme" situations:-) And if some is happy to be 'avalakshanam', life has to still go on for other family members:-)

[sarna_blr]

sarna_blr, I agree this is not an example to support women going to job or seeking a career. Just to dispel the myth that 'u is purusha lakshanam'. Agreed it's the respo for man to provide for his family, in general. However, some "extreme" statements need countering by "extreme" situations:-) And if some is happy to be 'avalakshanam', life has to still go on for other family members:-)

avalakshanam..... :roll:

[Devar Magan]

Looks like arguing for argument's sake! :lol: Being older than you I may have seen even more instances of unelightened mothers who have made their children grow into pucca villains & brutes!!!

What I wish is enlightenment for women, encouraging home environment for children & elders, pampered life in the shade & safety of home for women( already 'gifted' with enough physical discomforts by nature why aggravate it with all that added strain?). AND peace in the lives of men!!! :wink:ippdi oru kevalamaana thought-a refined english sonnaa mattum enna aaga poguthu PP madam??

[Devar Magan]

There is something called 'figurative' language:-) Anyways, let me explain what it means -

'pootti vaiththal' can easily be done by statements like below:

-women, be at home in your little kingdom as outside home is man's kingdom
-women, be happy about child-rearing at home and kitchen activites. May be read, surf, watch TV etc but never worry about any activity outside - not even charitable work
-women, working and earning money is not for you. It's only for men to be engaged in

All the above are figurative lock & key stuff. To work or not work depends upon ones situation and INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. I may not know the best situation for "Mrs Lakshmi" or "Miss Meena" as much as they do:-) (Disclaimer - names are just generic examples, doe s not refer to any individual) well said...

[Devar Magan]

Time to go to bed!!! itha post pannanumnu avasiyam illai..


anyway, "naan escapu.. aala vidungadaa saami"-nu sollavareengannu puriyuthu..

[ajithfederer]

app_engine : great posts :)

[app_engine]

app_engine : great posts :)
Thank you sir!

[dev]

[app_engine: :)

IMO, women need to learn atleast one money-making skill...be it a job or home based small business or other skills...In this fast world, you never know what will happen to the bread-winner(husb) the very next moment... Incase of any mishap, like physical disability or illness or death, she needs to be prepared to take the role of the bread-winner... aprom aludhu polambittu irukiradhula use illai... It's a basic survival skill... Not every woman has support from parents/relatives,monetary or otherwise... & even if they are supportive, better we be prepared for the worse... whatever happens, life will go on...

college degree alone doesn't always give a person enough confidence...I know of enough home-makers who are well educated but are not confident enough to even go to a bank or make a bill payment or talk to an insurance guy or go to a service centre or do such other basic things on their own... Women going for work/doing business(atleast for a short period of time) definitely helps them learn social skills faster & gives them the confidence that they can survive on their own... & also to understand themselves & the real world better...whether they choose to work full-time or part-time or not to work is entirely their choice... but they need to have the confidence they can survive without other's help for basic things... And that confidence shouldn't be 'kuruttu dhairiyam'...;) To me, having the freedom to spend another person's(husb in this case)hard earned money is not financial freedom... :)

Anyway, I don't believe in discussing what is right & what's wrong... Life will teach it's lessons at it's own pace... what we believe is right/wrong is the result of the timing & magnitude of diff experiences one had in life... Some ppl are lucky enough to not to go thru very hard phases in life & so their beliefs might be completely diff from that of one who has gone to a diff exper(hard phases) in life... :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

Time to go to bed!!! itha post pannanumnu avasiyam illai..


anyway, "naan escapu.. aala vidungadaa saami"-nu sollavareengannu puriyuthu..

'kEvalamillaatha' karuththukkaLai 'kEvalamillaatha' vithaththil uraikkum bright boy, you are sadly mistaken! Sleep is my well earned rest! Don't read anything else into it! :D

[pavalamani pragasam]

dev, my favourite proverb is 'don't think of the bridges you will never cross'; I am also in favour of choosing best from the 3 options:'varumun kaaththal, vanthapin kaththal, vanthapinnum kaakkaathiruththal'. FYI, one of cousins died leaving his wife a small son. My aunt & uncle, all the widow's in-laws are very kind & well-to-do as also her parents. She was a B.Sc., graduate. She went for medicine, successfully finished her degree, practised successfully in a speciality clinic, educated her to become a doctor who in due time is married. A friend of my father's had the misfortune of losing his very young, childless sil in an accident. The daughter was an arts graduate. She postgraduated & did doctorate, worked in a respectable post in the university, her second marriage was a failure but gave her a daughter whom she has brought up well & got married off standing on her own feet. Another friend of my father also saddened by the demise of his sil. The daughter was not interested in higher studies. Her father set up a tailoring shop for her & she with her tailoring skills employs many girls to make for herself a dignified life. The examples are many. What I want to emphasise is when the need arises women have the grit to face it, brave it. 'Training' is unnecessary!

Let me add: I never consider my hubby as 'another man'!!!! :wink:

[joe]

I never consider my hubby as 'another man'!!!! :wink:

:D That should be the way :)

[Menaka]

app_engine nice posts :)

pp maam so according to you a woman's life is the four walls called house with a family and she can do anything when needed. Her life is only to look after children and husband :huh: doesn't she have her own life? FYI family is NOT everything. you may call yourself more experienced just because you are older than many of us but that is not the truth. We also have faced and have experienced many things you may never have seen. please come out of the four walls and see the world.

[pavalamani pragasam]

Dear Menaka, I never can see my home as a jail within four walls!!! :rotfl: Nor do I remain confined within all the time!!! :rotfl: I am as happy as a bird chirping across the whole sky! :musicsmile:

[dev]

dev, my favourite proverb is 'don't think of the bridges you will never cross'; I am also in favour of choosing best from the 3 options:'varumun kaaththal, vanthapin kaththal, vanthapinnum kaakkaathiruththal'. FYI, one of cousins died leaving his wife a small son. My aunt & uncle, all the widow's in-laws are very kind & well-to-do as also her parents. She was a B.Sc., graduate. She went for medicine, successfully finished her degree, practised successfully in a speciality clinic, educated her to become a doctor who in due time is married. A friend of my father's had the misfortune of losing his very young, childless sil in an accident. The daughter was an arts graduate. She postgraduated & did doctorate, worked in a respectable post in the university, her second marriage was a failure but gave her a daughter whom she has brought up well & got married off standing on her own feet. Another friend of my father also saddened by the demise of his sil. The daughter was not interested in higher studies. Her father set up a tailoring shop for her & she with her tailoring skills employs many girls to make for herself a dignified life. The examples are many. What I want to emphasise is when the need arises women have the grit to face it, brave it. 'Training' is unnecessary!

Let me add: I never consider my hubby as 'another man'!!!! :wink:

Tht's Y I said opinions,belifs differ based on what we see/experience... :) Though some learn to make a living after a long struggle, I believe in 'varumun kaathal'...:) BTW, tailoring skill come within the category of 'skills' I have mentioned in the other post... It's a skill which can be used readily to make money... but still one needs to be trained to master it... for ex: how to ride a bicycle-nu enna thaan book-la padichaalum(cycle-la yaeri ukkandhu, handle-a pidichittu,balance panni, pedalai midichaal cycle ooati palagidalaamnu) we need to get trained to balance on a bicycle...namma yaeri utkaarura appo adhu thannala balance aagadhu... 4 thadavai vilundhu enthirichu thaan adhai kathuppom... so adhai nalla irukkum poadhe katthukiradhu better enbadhu en ennam... already mana kashtatthil irukkumpadhu idhai katthuka vendiya kattayathula vilundhu enthirikiradhungaradhu innum kodumai...

I used the word "another person" coz I wanted to refer to parents as well as husb... when I was unmarried I had the freedom to spend my parents hard-earned money... & now I have the freedom to spend wht my husb earns... My vocab is very limited tht I couldn't find any other suitable word there though my intention was not to refer to my husb as 'another man'... :P

[pavalamani pragasam]

How long does it take learn bicycling? How many weeks to learn tailoring?

[Lambretta]

[app_engine: :)

IMO, women need to learn atleast one money-making skill...be it a job or home based small business or other skills...In this fast world, you never know what will happen to the bread-winner(husb) the very next moment... Incase of any mishap, like physical disability or illness or death, she needs to be prepared to take the role of the bread-winner... aprom aludhu polambittu irukiradhula use illai... It's a basic survival skill... Not every woman has support from parents/relatives,monetary or otherwise... & even if they are supportive, better we be prepared for the worse... whatever happens, life will go on...
:exactly: :thumbsup: It neednt be only a job or career! There R other oppurtunities open as well, u jus need to tap the right one.


college degree alone doesn't always give a person enough confidence...I know of enough home-makers who are well educated but are not confident enough to even go to a bank or make a bill payment or talk to an insurance guy or go to a service centre or do such other basic things on their own... Women going for work/doing business(atleast for a short period of time) definitely helps them learn social skills faster & gives them the confidence that they can survive on their own...
True but Ive noticed tat even many women who go for jobs (am taking job as a common eg. bcos it is seen as sumthing very rosy by many :roll:) lack many public-speaking/socialising skills, infact I'd say in most jobs these things cudnt be learnt anyways, as its as much sitting within 4 walls as sitting at home is (talking bout the common office-type jobs!)


And that confidence shouldn't be 'kuruttu dhairiyam'...
:? Abbidina enna? :oops:

[Lambretta]

I was once told by a doc tat women working in careers with odd-timings/overtime (common eg. nowadays IT/SW//BPOs) tend to suffer the most physically/mentally as women undergo mood swings due to their bodily cycles therefore working at such timings/stressful conditions tend to aggrevate their challenges.
Of course there r jobs tat r far more favourable to women. In the past women who did work took up jobs tat were mainly 'easy-going' & fixed timings. Few turned out to be in more demanding, high-profile professional careers.





My belief is career women are more prone to stress & depression than women at home! They age faster, suffer more physical ailments! How dependable are your statistics if there are any?

Well, most women that I personally know of who has suffered some form of severe depression happens to be a middle aged, home maker. (If not a regular homemaker, someone who was at that time without a job and at home). FYI, I serve in a voluntary org that deals with a lot of people, apart from my regular full-time job.

That's why I said it's a personal observation. Again, I'm not for or against the "chemical imbalance theory" for depression. There are any number of theories stating the cause for depression. However, one of the common therapy methods is to ask people to engage in "meaningful activity", which could be severely lacking in the case of someone who could be idling at home (that leads to paranoid situations, for e.g.).

I'm willing to change my opinion if there are medical stats otherwise.

[dev]

How long does it take learn bicycling? How many weeks to learn tailoring?

katthu paarunga... theriyum...;) that too when u are already down due to some incident & are thru a difficult phase... Oru oru thadavai vilundhu enthitirikkum podhum athoda vali pala madanga theriyum!!!...BTW, how many here do you think would like to get their clothes stitched by an inexperienced tailor...There's a diff between becoming a 'tailor' & a 'good/skilled tailor'... esp for skill based work, experience does make a diff... :)

When we have an option to learn now, why wait until we are forced to...tht's my opinion... adhu evalo naal aagum,evalo easy-a irukkum,illai kashttama irukkum appadingaradhu ellam oru orutharukkum maaru padum... :)

[dev]

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:exactly: :thumbsup: It neednt be only a job or career! There R other oppurtunities open as well, u jus need to tap the right one.


And that confidence shouldn't be 'kuruttu dhairiyam'...
:? Abbidina enna? :oops:

Yes... it can even be ur hobby...just specialise in it... even if u r not using it to make money now, it might be helpful during rough times...:)

Kuruttu dhairiyam.... hmmm... it's the kind of confidence tht we have when we pass out of college...;) We think we can do anything & everything in this world without even realising what our strengths & weaknesses are... :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

Never was I interested in learning cycling!!! But I don't have to experience everything myself to know facts !!! How many middleaged women who never learnt cycling at a younger age learning to ride mopeds straightaway right under my nose! Not even a week!

I am rather amused & bemused at this thread becoming a veritable mirror reflecting the faces, perspectives, thought patterns of our times!!!

[Roshan]

app_engine and Dev :thumbsup:

And good to see the men supporting us with broader views and logical thinking. EllOrum nalla theLivaa irukeenga. SanthOsham :D

[dev]

app_engine and Dev :thumbsup:

:)

[Lambretta]

Kuruttu dhairiyam.... hmmm... it's the kind of confidence tht we have when we pass out of college...;) We think we can do anything & everything in this world without even realising what our strengths & weaknesses are... :)
Ohh......ok....:ty: :)
Although Ive never been to college in my life...so 'wonder if I lack tat dhairyam...? :? :roll: :oops:

[dev]

Kuruttu dhairiyam.... hmmm... it's the kind of confidence tht we have when we pass out of college...;) We think we can do anything & everything in this world without even realising what our strengths & weaknesses are... :)
Ohh......ok....:ty: :)
Although Ive never been to college in my life...so 'wonder if I lack tat dhairyam...? :? :roll: :oops:

:)

[pavalamani pragasam]

The thread is becoming more and more amusing!!! A real hearty entertainer! :rotfl:

[Devar Magan]

Friends,


how much can a girl earn by learning Tailoring :huh:

is that the route for all girls???

gone are the days, when u can do ur MBBS after finishing a BSC..


innum, sila peru 30 yrs munnaadi nadantha story-a sollittu irukaanga.. :lol:

[pavalamani pragasam]

chinna paiyanukku sirippaa irukku! ethanudaiya theeviramum viLanguRathilla, viLangkaLainnu theriyaRathum illa! Reminds me of the wise quote:
He who knows not what he knows is asleep; wake him. He who knows not what he knows not is a fool; shun him. He who knows, and knows that he knows is wise. Follow him.

All the instances I quoted were very well-to-do girls, who didn't have to sweat to live. They had to have some grip, some motive to pull on. A girl with a satisfactory family of husband and children will never feel a vacuum which needs to be filled up. It is strange how modern girls are chasing empty shadows!!!

[dev]

Devar, :)... freeya vidunga...:)

[pavalamani pragasam]

The fast-paced world is successfully, deplorably eroding feminine traits from their nature! I am aghast at the new avatar of the fair sex! Woe to men!!!

[MADDY]

PP ma'm, i can understand ur point that women are the crux of society and they shape generations.....so they need to be at home to make sure this duty is fullfilled......lately, we have had a shift in this thinking.......guys are as much responsible for social/cultural upbringing as much as women.......i think the homemaker term applies to men as well........

moreover being a middle class person, i cant afford to have a housewife.........ippa chennai-la oru decent veedu vanganumna minimum 35lacs-40 lacs...........for any home loan, the interest will come to 30k -40k per month.......i dont think any person, even working in IT can afford to pay 30k-40k from his salary as interest.......first of all, no bank will give loan for 35 lacs or 40 lacs unless your wife is also earning and apply loan jointly.........i'm sure 70% of IT guys who have a take home salary ranging betn 25k-50k realise my point.........house loan-kke ippadinna, how will we give the kids - education, other basic neccessities.............weekend cinema in multiplex with family will cost Rs.1500-2000 - i just cant afford to have a housewife......simple.....

[MADDY]

my home loan point doesent mean, we shuld go after only money and forget the kids upbringing etc.....at the same time, we cannot discard money.....we have to keep a balance......guys have to share some of women's duties of upbringing and house-keeping etc, and women have to share hubby's duties of house loan and running the family comfortably..... :)

[pavalamani pragasam]

Yes, mammon rules the world! Thanx, for the much-boasted 'clarity' you show!!! The solace is there are still people left with saner priorities making their lives really happy & fulfilling!

[MADDY]

Yes, mammon rules the world! Thanx, for the much-boasted 'clarity' you show!!! The solace is there are still people left with saner priorities making their lives really happy & fulfilling!

illa ma, enga appa amma kooda are looking for a housewife for me.......but i want to live in "my" house and travel in "my" car and not my fathers' house or car.........and i belong to the middle crust of economy........what should i do??? how can i lead a decent life of my choice without a working wife???

[pavalamani pragasam]

Yes, that is the problem, each one's idea of a 'decent' life!!! At the cost of what? A pure matter of priorities!!!

[pavalamani pragasam]

Peer pressure everywhere!!! Starts at school campus, follows in college & then in work places! Men succumbing to standards set by somebody other than self!!!

[MADDY]

Yes, that is the problem, each one's idea of a 'decent' life!!! At the cost of what? A pure matter of priorities!!!

theres no choice ma'm :lol: ........

also, i think the women's duties must be shared by men to help achieve the happiness........i dont understand why men should be protected so much or pampered?? let them work and do some household chores too like women :roll:

[pavalamani pragasam]

innikku en siesta pOch! :cry3: kaappi tiffinaavathu paakkuREn! :wave:

[Devar Magan]

all i can recollect now is,

"5-il valayaathathu,

50 thaandiyum valayaathu.. "

so, argue panni use illai.


I hope most of us except one very 'experienced', 'level-headed', 'decent' person are having a clear mind..

ithukku mela enna sonnaalum use illai :cool:

[Roshan]

Friends,


how much can a girl earn by learning Tailoring :huh:

is that the route for all girls???

gone are the days, when u can do ur MBBS after finishing a BSC..


innum, sila peru 30 yrs munnaadi nadantha story-a sollittu irukaanga.. :lol:


Karthi,

30 varushathukku munnAdiyum there were women who were employed and could manage to raise their children in a better way than the women who chose/were forced to be home makers. And I dont think those mothers were chasing 'empty shadows'. But the relieving factor is that many elders - specially women who I meet on a day-to-day basis are quite positive about the present change. "Che enga kAlathula ippadi irunthirunthA evvaLavu nallA irunthirukkum'nu" solRa 'antha kaala' peN maNigaL palarai naan pArthirukkiREn. They never complain or keep rambling about the 'mindset' of the present generation and they are smart enought to understand how 'smart' we are :) :D

So as Dev said, free'A vidunga :)

[Lambretta]

Yes, mammon rules the world! Thanx, for the much-boasted 'clarity' you show!!! The solace is there are still people left with saner priorities making their lives really happy & fulfilling!

illa ma, enga appa amma kooda are looking for a housewife for me.......but i want to live in "my" house and travel in "my" car and not my fathers' house or car.........and i belong to the middle crust of economy........what should i do??? how can i lead a decent life of my choice without a working wife???
Y not consider looking for sum additional source of income, dude? Oru job lernthu vara orE varmAnathu mEla depend agarthuku bathul spare-time'la ethAvathu senji kuda develop paNNalAm'la? If it works well long term 'could be useful even as a back-up (in case!)

[app_engine]

Dev, Menaka, Roshan
Thank you!

Interestingly, this thread has assumed a different topic now, and it's good - it's definitely positive to move from lamenting on shameful situations prevalent in the society. Yes, nice to see this moving to possible constructive actions that can be taken to improve the individual lives (even though society in general could get out of control).

As Roshan pointed out women working as well as bringing up children nicely (with some help here and there, including paid nannies) is not something new. And this has happened not only in forced cases (like widows, divorcees, abandoned, hubby-incapacitated etc) but also in "chosen" cases. (Let's both work and bring home income, let's both share household chores, let's get some help taking care of children when they're too young, let's get a workplace near home or the other way around, let's come home for lunch etc.)

It may also be true that some children got "neglected" (or at least the kids felt so) because of mom's job situation. However, IMO, it won't be > 50%:-)

In fact, the case of children feeling deprived of parental guidance because their DAD was not around due to work situation (different city, transferable job, military, gulf etc.) is much more than the mom category. Such situations may put a lot more strain on mom, even limiting her personal career ambitions, but again it's for individuals to evaluate their needs and circumstances to take decisions. There cannot be any blanket policy or principle applicable in all cases (definitely no such policy like "women only stay home", no way, IMO)!

[pavalamani pragasam]

all i can recollect now is,

"5-il valayaathathu,

50 thaandiyum valayaathu.. "

so, argue panni use illai.


I hope most of us except one very 'experienced', 'level-headed', 'decent' person are having a clear mind..

ithukku mela enna sonnaalum use illai :cool:

naay vaalai nimirththa mudiyaathunnu enakku theriyum, thambi! naan athukku muyaRchi paNra muttaaLillai!!! :lol: BTW konjam time othukki entha paLLikoodaththulayaavathu mariyaathai sollitharaangaLaannu paaththu konjam improve paNNikittaa nallathilla? 8-)ivvaLavu 'smart' pOthumaa? :huh:

[pavalamani pragasam]

Dev, Menaka, Roshan
Thank you!

Interestingly, this thread has assumed a different topic now, and it's good - it's definitely positive to move from lamenting on shameful situations prevalent in the society. Yes, nice to see this moving to possible constructive actions that can be taken to improve the individual lives (even though society in general could get out of control).

As Roshan pointed out women working as well as bringing up children nicely (with some help here and there, including paid nannies) is not something new. And this has happened not only in forced cases (like widows, divorcees, abandoned, hubby-incapacitated etc) but also in "chosen" cases. (Let's both work and bring home income, let's both share household chores, let's get some help taking care of children when they're too young, let's get a workplace near home or the other way around, let's come home for lunch etc.)

It may also be true that some children got "neglected" (or at least the kids felt so) because of mom's job situation. However, IMO, it won't be > 50%:-)

In fact, the case of children feeling deprived of parental guidance because their DAD was not around due to work situation (different city, transferable job, military, gulf etc.) is much more than the mom category. Such situations may put a lot more strain on mom, even limiting her personal career ambitions, but again it's for individuals to evaluate their needs and circumstances to take decisions. There cannot be any blanket policy or principle applicable in all cases (definitely no such policy like "women only stay home", no way, IMO)!

Whether you wish it or not this thread IS dedicated to the topic of 'shame'. can't you read the undercurrent of shame I am pointing out in my posts? why don't you take smartness lessons from experts available here? :lol: Chivalry is man's characteristic! It is not chivalrous of a man to send out his wife to feather his nest, exposing her to physical, mental harassments! Never ever try to convince me of otherwise!

[app_engine]

>>Never ever try to convince me of otherwise!<<

Did I sound that way? No, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, BTW.

Hub is a place to share one's mind freely, while also being conscious of how it may affect others. While it may not always result in colloboration, it definitely results in interactions which may influence / help people in specific situations.

At the minimum, this is an opportunity to learn of different POW and may help in "understanding" why some people feel / act in a specific way.

>>exposing her to physical, mental harassments<<
If you analyze most part of this thread, you'll easily realize that most such harassments took place at home:-) And it's easier to get remedies in work place than at the domestic front - very difficult or even impossible :-)


>>It is not chivalrous of a man to send out his wife <<
Agreed. It would also be unkind to lock her up when she wants to go out and do some activity. (This is what I called other POW).

[pavalamani pragasam]

Have you anything new to say?

[dsath]

I think talking about women emancipation and independence from a family point of view would be looking at the dot and missing the big picture.
Recently I came across this wonderful write-up
http://maami.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/the-making-of-poppadams/
The author has cleverly and humorously laid out the inequalities between a man and woman under similar circumstances (lose of a partner).
Why don't we see any more Yechumi Patis?

[pavalamani pragasam]

It is a story about a social evil of a period! Cannot connect it with my all-time concept here! :roll:

[dsath]

I am not trying to connect anything. I am simply raising a question as to how, we as a conservative society got rid of this evil practice. As app_engine said it is always interesting to read different opinions.

[pavalamani pragasam]

Social renaissance, collective reforms initiated by great, humane reformers made it possible. The pendulum is swinging now from the past extreme feminine forbearance to frivolous impatience of 'forward' women of our days!!! :oops:

[dsath]

Social renaissance, collective reforms initiated by great, humane reformers made it possible. The pendulum is swinging now from the past extreme feminine forbearance to frivolous impatience of 'forward' women of our days!!! :oops:
Can you name any one of the great humane reformers please and what or who started the social renaissance.

[pavalamani pragasam]

You mean to say you don't know who they are? :roll:

[dsath]

Countering a question with another question !!!!! I just wanted to know your take on this PP mam. :)
Anyways my point is that if all women had opted to stay in, then renaissance or no renaissance there would still be yechumi pattis. The main reason that such social evils were eradicated and many are in the process of eradication is maily due to women emancipation. With every movement there are pros and cons. The pros achieved far exceeds the cons.
Again I am not against women option to stay at home (I have opted to do that for a good four years and I don't regret it a bit).
But I am against blaming liberated women for the break down of moral values. If women want to come out of abusive marriages then the problem is 'the unhappy marriage' and not the women.
I simply can't understand our social attitude which blames the victim and further traumatizes them.
Much has been achieved and blaming empowered women for the WRONG reasons will take us back to the dark ages........

[pavalamani pragasam]

In my dictionary words like 'emancipation', empowerment' of women have a very different meaning from one in common parlance! Much abused concepts quoted in wrong contexts, clever manipulations to cover avarice, vanity, arrogance & many other ugly qualities of both men & women!!!

[dsath]

If one keeps looking at a dot in a paper, the dot becomes huge and the paper shrinks in size.
To those who look at the paper (like myself), it is becoming better. But we have to guard against the wind which wants to blow the dot away (and the paper).

[pavalamani pragasam]

:lol: Some are smart, some are crude, some are half-afraid- the digs! But brickbats or bouquets I strive to maintain my composure!!!

[app_engine]

In my dictionary words like 'emancipation', empowerment' of women have a very different meaning from one in common parlance! Much abused concepts quoted in wrong contexts, clever manipulations to cover avarice, vanity, arrogance & many other ugly qualities of both men & women!!!

Well, what is the common parlance (per your understanding) and what does your dictionary say?

[dsath]

:lol: Some are smart, some are crude, some are half-afraid- the digs! But brickbats or bouquets I strive to maintain my composure!!!
Oops I didn't mean to take a dig at you mam. This is a forum for discussing issues and opinions and in my opinion nothing productive will result in personal digs.
The dot-paper thing is my honest view. I really think blaming social issues on the wrong source (in this case feminist movements) will lead to negative results with no solutions for the actual problems.

[pavalamani pragasam]

Are we not engaged here in a wild goose chase? :huh:

[app_engine]

Are we not engaged here in a wild goose chase? :huh:

Well, is this in reply to my question above?:-)

[pavalamani pragasam]

As you like it!!! :D

[app_engine]

அதாவது, தங்கள் அகராதியில் ஒரு சொல்லுக்குப்பொருள் தேடுதல் 'wild goose chase' என்று சொல்லுகிறீர்கள்:-) வாழ்க!

[bingleguy]

அதாவது, தங்கள் அகராதியில் ஒரு சொல்லுக்குப்பொருள் தேடுதல் 'wild goose chase' என்று சொல்லுகிறீர்கள்:-) வாழ்க!

:roll: ;-) :)

[app_engine]

http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Reporter/2008-04-27/pg10.php

Possibly the most horrendous crime that I've read about in recent times:-( கொடுமையிலும் கொடுமை:-(

[pavalamani pragasam]

bg, vidunga! //thoththu nOy maathiri irukku intha expression! :rotfl: //

[bingleguy]

PP maam :-)

App .... login pannanumAme .... :roll: kumudham la ...

[pavalamani pragasam]

naan kumudam weeklyum, snEhidhiyum mattum hard copy vaanguvEn. Long ago when I was in Mumbai in my son's house we tried opening some online Tamil magazine group( not sure if it was Anada vikadan or kumudham) which resulted in our system getting crashed!!!!!! :shaking:

[pavalamani pragasam]

bg, kumudam reporter, junior vikadan ellaam specialists in sensational stories, dug up for circulation! The world abounds in ills many of which may well go down into oblivion!

[app_engine]

bingleguy, yes you need to register. However, it's without charge.

This news story is about a woman punishing her political rival by getting the rival's grandchild infected by HIV using her brother who carries HIV.

What disturbed me most is the place where such a crime occured. nAn piRandha area:-(

[Roshan]

bingleguy, yes you need to register. However, it's without charge.

This news story is about a woman punishing her political rival by getting the rival's grandchild infected by HIV using her brother who carries HIV.

What disturbed me most is the place where such a crime occured. nAn piRandha area:-(

Oh that's quite shocking and disturbing :shock: I always have this fear that HIV could be used for hostile purposes. In fact there is a rumour that HIV was invented by the so called 'biggies' as a biological weapon. I vaguely remember this being discussed in one of the sessions at the last ICAAP (International Convention for AIDS in Asia and Pacific), held in Sri Lanka last August.

[Lambretta]

bingleguy, yes you need to register. However, it's without charge.

This news story is about a woman punishing her political rival by getting the rival's grandchild infected by HIV using her brother who carries HIV.

What disturbed me most is the place where such a crime occured. nAn piRandha area:-(

Oh that's quite shocking and disturbing :shock: I always have this fear that HIV could be used for hostile purposes. In fact there is a rumour that HIV was invented by the so called 'biggies' as a biological weapon. I vaguely remember this being discussed in one of the sessions at the last ICAAP (International Convention for AIDS in Asia and Pacific), held in Sri Lanka last August.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Wat the bl****......!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :hammer:

[pavalamani pragasam]

Very lonnnng ago there was a short story in a weekly about a prostitute infecting her partner for vengeance. The service of MEDIA in giving ideas! :oops:

[joe]

* பெண்களைப் படிக்கக் கூடாது என்று ஏன் கட்டுப்பாடு ஏற்படுத்தினார்கள்?
அவர்களுக்கு அறிவு இல்லை. ஆற்றல் இல்லை என்று சொல்லிச் சுதந்திரம் கொடாமல் அடிமையாக்குவதற்காகத்தான்.

* பெண் அடிமை என்பது மனித சமூக அழிவு என்பதை நாம் நினைக்காததாலேயே வளர்ச்சிபெற வேண்டிய மனித சமூகம் பகுத்தறிவு இருந்தும் நாள்தோறும் தேய்ந்து கொண்டே வருகின்றது.

* ஒவ்வொரு பெண்ணும், தானும் ஏதாவது சம்பாதிக்கும் தகுதிபெறத் தக்கபடி ஒரு தொழில் கற்றிருக்க வேண்டும். குறைந்தது தன் வயிற்றுக்குப் போதுமான அளவாவது சம்பாதிக்கத் தகுந்த திறமை இருந்தால், எந்தக் கணவனும் அடிமையாய் நடத்தமாட்டான்.

* ஓர் ஆணுக்கு ஒரு சமையல்காரி - ஓர் ஆணின் வீட்டிற்கு ஒரு வீட்டுக்காரி - ஓர் ஆணின் குடும்பப் பெருக்கிற்குப் பிள்ளை விளைவிக்கும் ஒரு பண்ணை - ஓர் ஆணின் கண் அழகிற்கு ஓர் அழகிய - அலங்கரிக்கப்பட்ட பொம்மை என்பதல்லாமல் பெண்கள் பெரிதும் எதற்குப் பயன்படுகிறார்கள்? பயன்படுத்தப்படுகிறார்கள் என்பதைச் சிந்தித்துப் பாருங்கள்.

* ஆண்மையும் பெண் அடிமையும்கடவுளாலேயே ஏற்பட்டதாக எல்லா ஆண்களும் கருதுவதும், பெண்கள் அதை உண்மையென்று பரம்பரையாக நினைத்துக் கொண்டிருப்பதும்தான் பெண் அடிமைத்தனம் வளர்வதற்குக் காரணமாகும்.

* திருமணம் செய்வதற்கு முன்பு பொருத்தம் பார்க்கிறார்களே, அதில் ஒரு பெண்ணுக்கும் ஆணுக்கும் சம தோற்றம், சம அன்பு, ஒத்த அறிவு, கல்வி ஒற்றுமை இருக்குமா என்று கருதுவதில்லை. அதற்கு மாறாக, நமது பிள்ளைக்கு அந்தப் பெண் தலைவணங்கிக் கட்டுப்பட்டு நல்ல அடிமையாக இருக்குமா என்ற கருத்தில், மாடுகளை விலைக்கு வாங்குவதற்கு என்னென்ன பொருத்தங்கள் பார்க்கிறோமோ அதையே தான் பெண்கள் பிரச்சினையிலும் பார்க்கிறார்கள்.

* தாலி கட்டுவதென்பது அன்று முதல் அப்பெண்ணைத் தனக்கு அடிமைப் பொருளாக ஏற்கிறான் என்பதும், அப்பெண் அன்று முதல் ஆணுக்கு அடிமையாகி விட்டாள் என்பது மான கருத்தைக் குறிப்பதற்குத்தான். இதன் காரணமாக் கணவன் மனைவியை என்ன செய்தாலும் யாருக்கும் கேட்க உரிமையில்லை, கணவன் தவறான முறையில் நடந்தால் அவனுக்குத்தண்டனையும் கிடையாது.


* இன்றையப் பெண் எவ்வளவோ கல்வியும் செல்வமும் நாகரிக அறிவும் கவுரவம் உள்ள சுற்றத்தாருக்குள்ளும் சகவாசத்துக்குள்ளும் இருந்துவந்தும், மிகப் பழங்காலப் பட்டிக்காட்டுக் கிராமவாசிப் பெண்களைவிட இளப்பமாய் நடந்து கொள்வதைப் பார்த்தால், நமக்கு எவ்வளவு சங்கடமாய் இருக்கிறது? இப்படிப்பட்ட பெண்கள் வயிற்றில் பிள்ளைகள் பிறந்து இவர்களால் வளர்க்கப்பட்டால், அவற்றிற்கு மனிதத்தன்மை எப்படி ஏற்படும்?

* நமக்கு பெண்கள் தங்களைப் பிறவி அடிமை என்று நினைத்துக் கொண்டிருப்பதை மாற்றிக் கொள்ள வேண்டும்.

* பெண்களே! வீரத் தாய்மார்களாக ஆக விருப்பப்படுங்கள். நீங்கள் மாறினால் உங்கள் கணவன்மார்களும் மற்ற ஆண்களும் மாற்றம் அடைவது மிகமிக எளிது. ஆண்கள் உங்களைத்தான் பிற்போக்காளிகள் என்று உங்கள் மீது பழிசுமத்தி வருகிறார்கள். அப்பழிச் சொல்லுக்கு ஆளாகாதீர்கள், எதிர்காலத்தில் �இவள் இன்னாருடைய மனைவி� என்று அழைக்கப்படாமல், �இவன் இன்னாருடைய கணவன்� என்று அழைக்கப்பட வேண்டும்.

* கணவனின் அளவுக்கு மீறிய அன்பையும், ஏராளமான நகையிலும் புடவையிலும் ஆசையையும், அழகில் பிரக்கியாதி பெறவேண்டுமென்ற விளம்பர ஆசையையும் பெற்ற பெண்களும், செல்வத்தில் புரளும் அகம்பாவப் பெண்களும் அடிமை வாழ்விலேயே திருப்தி அடைந்துவிடுவார்களே ஒழிய, சீர்திருத்தத்திற்குப் பயன்படமாட்டார்கள்.

* தங்களை நாகரிக நாரீமணிகள் என்று கருதிக் கொள்ளும் பெண்களெல்லாம்கூட நல்ல முறையில் ஆடை அலங்காரம் செய்துகொள்வதையும், நைசான நகைகள் போட்டுக்கொள்வதையும் சொகுசாகப் பவுடர் பூசிக் கொள்வதையும் தான் நாகரிகம் என்று கருதி வருகிறார்களே தவிர-ஆண்களுக்குச் சரிநிகர் சமானமாக வாழ்வதுதான் நாகரிகம் என்பதை உணர்ந்திருக்கவில்லை.

* இந்து மதத்தின் கல்வித் தெய்வமும், செல்வத் தெய்வமும் பெண் தெய்வங்களாயிருந்தும் இந்துமதக் கொள்கையின்படி பெண்களுக்கு கல்வியும் சொத்துக்களும் இருக்க இடமில்லையே ஏன்?

* பெண்களுக்குப் பகுத்தறிவுக் கல்வியும், உலக நடப்புக் கல்வியும், தாராளமாகக் கொடுத்து, மூட நம்பிக்கை, பயம் ஆகியவற்றை ஊட்டக்கூடிய கதைகளையோ, சாத்திரங்களையோ, இலக்கியங்களையோ காணவும் கேட்கவும் சிறிதும் இடமில்லாமல் செய்ய வேண்டும்.

* பெண்ணடிமை என்பதற்குள்ள காரணங்கள் பலவற்றுள்ளும் சொத்துரிமை இல்லாதது ஒன்றே மிகவும் முக்கியமானதாகும்.

* ஆண்கள் கற்புடையவர்கள் என்று குறிக்க நமது மொழிகளில் தனி வார்த்தைகளே காணாமல் மறைபட்டுக் கிடப்பதற்குக் காரணம், ஆண்களின் ஆதிக்கமே தவிர வேறில்லை.


* பெண்ணுக்குச் சொத்து கூடாதாம், காதல் சுதந்திரம் கூடாதாம். அப்படியானால் மனிதன் தன் தேவைக்குப் பயன்படுத்திக் கொள்ளும் ரப்பர் பொம்மையா அது?

*கற்புக்காகக் கணவனின் மிருகச் செயலையும் பொறுத்துக் கொண்டிருக்க வேண்டும் என்ற கொடுமை ஒழிய வேண்டும்.

* பெண்களுக்குத்தான் கற்பு: ஆண்களுக்கு வலியுறுத்தக் கூடாது என்கின்ற தத்துவமே தனி உடைமைத் தத்துவத்தைப் பொறுத்தது. ஏன் என்றால்,பெண் ஆணுடைய சொத்து என்பதுதான் இன்றைய மனைவி என்பவளின் நிலைமை.

* நமது இலக்கியங்கள் யாவும் நியாயத்திற்காக ஒழுக்கத்திற்காக எழுதப்பட்டிருந்தால் பெண்களுக்கு என்னென்ன நிபந்தனை வைத்திருக்கின்றோமோ அவ்வளவு நிபந்தனைகளை ஆண்களுக்கும் வைத்திருக்க வேண்டுமல்லவா?

* ஆண் எப்படி வேண்டுமானாலும் திரியலாம்: எவ்வளவு மனைவிகளை வேண்டுமானாலும் மணக்கலாம் என்கின்ற முறையே, விபச்சாரம் என்னும் பிள்ளையைப் பெற்றெடுக்கின்றது.

* பெண்ணைக் கொல்ல ஆணுக்கு உரிமை இருந்தால் ஆணைக் கொல்லப் பெண்ணுக்கும் உரிமை வேண்டும். ஆணைத் தொழுதெழ பெண்ணுக்கு நிபந்தனை இருந்தால், பெண்ணைத் தொழுதெழ ஆணுக்கும் நிபந்தனை இருக்க வேண்டும்.

* பெண்களை வீட்டுவேலை செய்வது, கோலம் போடுவது, சாணி தட்டுவது, பாத்திரம் கழுவுவது, கும்மியடிப்பது, கோலாட்ட மடிப்பது என்பது போன்ற அடிமை வேலைக்குத் தயார் செய்யாதீர்கள்.

* குழந்தை மணம் ஒழிந்து, திருமண ரத்து, விதவைமணம்,கலப்புமணம், திருமண உரிமை ஆகியவைகள் இருக்குமேயானால் இன்றுள்ள விபசாரத்தில் 100-க்கு 90 பகுதி மறைந்து போகும்.

- பகுத்தறிவுப் பகலவன் தந்தை பெரியார்

[Roshan]

Please post in Unicode. It is difficult to read :(

[joe]

Please post in Unicode. It is difficult to read :(

Done!

[pavalamani pragasam]

Going off the tangent!!! This long-drawn out warfare rightly started with registering the shame of an engineer husband killing his executive wife & committing suicide soon after!

Getting bored stiff with didactic speeches on women's liberation!!! :fatigue: Already more than enough support for women's emancipation & empowerment! Only no sufficient analysis of the consequences of all the 'emancipation' we see around!!! And what is in store for menfolk in particular & posterity in general! :huh:

[Roshan]

Please post in Unicode. It is difficult to read :(

Done!

Thanks :) Quite useful and as an employee of a development organisation I could easily relate each and every point to the real life experiences we see across the globe and how we strive to address the issues with our advocacy programs.

[sarna_blr]

1940's dialogue ellaam ippa pEsureenga.... :oops: ..... konjam 2008'ku vaanga... :D

Old is gold'nu solveengalE.... :lol2:

[app_engine]

1940's dialogue ellaam ippa pEsureenga.... :oops: ..... konjam 2008'ku vaanga... :D

Old is gold'nu solveengalE.... :lol2:

நீங்க யார சொல்றீங்க?

[sarna_blr]

1940's dialogue ellaam ippa pEsureenga.... :oops: ..... konjam 2008'ku vaanga... :D

Old is gold'nu solveengalE.... :lol2:

நீங்க யார சொல்றீங்க?

Joe annaa's periyaar karuththukkal....

adhellaam palaya saappaadu.... ippa saappida koodaadhu....

pazhasukkum... pazhamaikkum vidhyaasam irukku.... :roll:

[pavalamani pragasam]

:rotfl:

[sarna_blr]

*

* குழந்தை மணம் ஒழிந்து, திருமண ரத்து, விதவைமணம்,கலப்புமணம், திருமண உரிமை ஆகியவைகள் இருக்குமேயானால் இன்றுள்ள விபசாரத்தில் 100-க்கு 90 பகுதி மறைந்து போகும்.

- பகுத்தறிவுப் பகலவன் தந்தை பெரியார்

yEttuchchorakkaa karikku udhavaadhunga....

vidhavaikku marumanam.....

rendaandhaaramaa kattikkiittavan ...... chinna sanda varumbOdhu.... manaiviya paaththu " enna irundhaalum nee innoruththan kooda pa****** .... " sonnaa? .... andha pennOda vaazhkkayE naragamaayidum.... :x

[ajithfederer]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Delhi_12-yr-old_raped_by_traffic_cop/articleshow/2980528.cms

NEW DELHI: In an incident that brought back the horrid memories of the rape of a college-going girl by a drunken policeman on Mumbai's Marine Drive in 2005, a 12-year-old girl was raped inside a moving car allegedly by a Delhi police traffic constable and his friend on Thursday afternoon at Swaroop Nagar in the Outer district.

The cop, Sanjeev Kumar, 26, has been arrested; there is no trace of his friend or the car. While confirming rape, the medical report says the constable wasn't drunk at the time of the crime.

According to police sources, the girl was standing outside a temple at Nangli Poona in Swaroop Nagar, waiting for her family to join her after prayers. The accused constable came along with a friend in a Maruti 800 and pulled her inside.

The car's windows had dark films on them, sources said, adding that Sanjeev raped the girl while his friend kept driving around the area and then they swapped roles. The duo then dumped the girl outside the temple and fled.

Some passersby found her unconscious, took her to a nearby hospital and informed police. The Outer district police are tightlipped about the issue, but sources claim that the cop was posted with the Teen Murti traffic line and had been missing from duty for about 12 days without informing his superiors. The victim's family comes from a village in UP.

Police are choosing to keep mum about the incident. The officer in charge of Swaroop Nagar denied it completely and the DCP, Sagar Preet, was not available for comments. But sources confirmed that a case of rape had been registered against Sanjeev Kumar at Swaroop Nagar police station.

basta%$%%^%%&^ , :cry: :cry: :cry2:

Where the hell is our country going :banghead: :banghead:

[kb]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[marti]

this is so disgusting :banghead: :banghead: will there ever be an end to this? :cry:

[dev]

Y don't such ppl go for 'call girls' instead of such innocent girls!!!... :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: Got to hang such guys without mercy!!!... :evil: :evil: :evil:

[marti]

Y don't such ppl go for 'call girls' instead of such innocent girls!!!... :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: Got to hang such guys without mercy!!!... :evil: :evil: :evil:

just hanging is not enough. the young girl would have suffered so much. such men should be tortured to death. they should regret what they did.

[dev]

just hanging is not enough. the young girl would have suffered so much. such men should be tortured to death. they should regret what they did.


:exactly:

[pavalamani pragasam]

*

* குழந்தை மணம் ஒழிந்து, திருமண ரத்து, விதவைமணம்,கலப்புமணம், திருமண உரிமை ஆகியவைகள் இருக்குமேயானால் இன்றுள்ள விபசாரத்தில் 100-க்கு 90 பகுதி மறைந்து போகும்.

- பகுத்தறிவுப் பகலவன் தந்தை பெரியார்

yEttuchchorakkaa karikku udhavaadhunga....

vidhavaikku marumanam.....

rendaandhaaramaa kattikkiittavan ...... chinna sanda varumbOdhu.... manaiviya paaththu " enna irundhaalum nee innoruththan kooda pa****** .... " sonnaa? .... andha pennOda vaazhkkayE naragamaayidum.... :x

How funny! :lol: On one side modernists thinking on global level, cheering the woman like as people do a winning horse on the race course fleeting like wind with frothing mouth:'come on, come on', advising her to come out of tradition's shackles, do away with the barbaric custom of 'marriage' & pursue a search for the 'right' partner on trial & error basis- :lol: - live for self & self's 'love'(no, not lust!), and for this fulfilling life mission she must come out of the bounds of a prison made of four walls & search for greener pastures to 'graze' to her heart's fill, the MEDIA dedicated to guide her on this noble purpose; on the other hand some outdated, good-for-nothing, philosophers croaking like some kiNaththu thavaLaikaL(frogs deep inside a dark well) Do we see light at the end of the tunnel? :roll:

[joe]

sarna_blr :rotfl:

[MADDY]

vara pora "pudhu" pondatti mattum.......... :rotfl: ....sarna, welcome to 2008 :lol2:

joe, really got goosebumps reading those -esp, when we think they were written 70-80 yrs ago :)

[joe]

joe, really got goosebumps reading those -esp, when we think they were written 70-80 yrs ago :)

Yes,That shows Periyar was a Visionary leader ,not vote bank leader. :)

Btw ,Periyar Life time September 17, 1879 - December 24, 1973

[MADDY]

joe, really got goosebumps reading those -esp, when we think they were written 70-80 yrs ago :)

Yes,That shows Periyar was a Visionary leader ,not vote bank leader. :)

Btw ,Periyar Life time September 17, 1879 - December 24, 1973

:clap: ......ofcourse he was never a vote bank leader..........but i'm really sad that his msg hasnt reached tamil ppl. completely - esp in women liberation front and caste front..........still we have 1000 castes in TN and women are expected to be the secondary :(

[joe]

.but i'm really sad that his msg hasnt reached tamil ppl. completely

True :( He was potrayed in only one angle ..Not just his opposite camp ,his followers also failed to focus periyar's other social angles.

[Roshan]

joe, really got goosebumps reading those -esp, when we think they were written 70-80 yrs ago :)

Yes,That shows Periyar was a Visionary leader ,not vote bank leader. :)

Btw ,Periyar Life time September 17, 1879 - December 24, 1973

:exactly: Most of the points mentioned there are the main focus areas of many development organisations, when it comes to poverty eradication and womens rights related programs. Linkage between poverty-and women slavery, property rights for women are very good examples. I have decided to translate it in English and share with my colleagues both in Sri Lanka and outside :)

[joe]

I have decided to translate it in English and share with my colleagues both in Sri Lanka and outside :)

:thumbsup:

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Certain jobs can be done more efficiently by ladies because of their special qualities. Generally ladies are more patient, sinceare and organized than Gents. These soft skills are more necessary for most of the works and if these skillskets are further nourished with some technical skills and freedom no wonder we can produce more Indira Noooyi's or Kiran Bedi's.

If ladies are not allowed for working its a loss not only to them but also to the nation. :(

[sarna_blr]

*Deleted with warning *

[sarna_blr]

*

* குழந்தை மணம் ஒழிந்து, திருமண ரத்து, விதவைமணம்,கலப்புமணம், திருமண உரிமை ஆகியவைகள் இருக்குமேயானால் இன்றுள்ள விபசாரத்தில் 100-க்கு 90 பகுதி மறைந்து போகும்.

- பகுத்தறிவுப் பகலவன் தந்தை பெரியார்

yEttuchchorakkaa karikku udhavaadhunga....

vidhavaikku marumanam.....

rendaandhaaramaa kattikkiittavan ...... chinna sanda varumbOdhu.... manaiviya paaththu " enna irundhaalum nee innoruththan kooda pa****** .... " sonnaa? .... andha pennOda vaazhkkayE naragamaayidum.... :x

How funny! :lol: On one side modernists thinking on global level, cheering the woman like as people do a winning horse on the race course fleeting like wind with frothing mouth:'come on, come on', advising her to come out of tradition's shackles, do away with the barbaric custom of 'marriage' & pursue a search for the 'right' partner on trial & error basis- :lol: - live for self & self's 'love'(no, not lust!), and for this fulfilling life mission she must come out of the bounds of a prison made of four walls & search for greener pastures to 'graze' to her heart's fill, the MEDIA dedicated to guide her on this noble purpose; on the other hand some outdated, good-for-nothing, philosophers croaking like some kiNaththu thavaLaikaL(frogs deep inside a dark well) Do we see light at the end of the tunnel? :roll:

konjam puriyura maadhiri thamizh'a solreengalaa? :roll:

[Roshan]

sarna_blr :rotfl:

i should laugh at u... but u r laughing at me... wt a funny.... :rotfl2:

Let others decide who is laughable.. Leave it.

:exactly:

[bingleguy]

Certain jobs can be done more efficiently by ladies because of their special qualities. Generally ladies are more patient, sinceare and organized than Gents. These soft skills are more necessary for most of the works and if these skillskets are further nourished with some technical skills and freedom no wonder we can produce more Indira Noooyi's or Kiran Bedi's.

If ladies are not allowed for working its a loss not only to them but also to the nation. :(

:thumbsup:

[Lambretta]

Y don't such ppl go for 'call girls' instead of such innocent girls!!!... :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: Got to hang such guys without mercy!!!... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Bcos they r not only mean but apparently also miserly since call girls obv. need to be paid!! :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :evil: :evil: :evil

[bingleguy]

Y don't such ppl go for 'call girls' instead of such innocent girls!!!... :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: Got to hang such guys without mercy!!!... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Bcos they r not only mean but apparently also miserly since call girls obv. need to be paid!! :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :evil: :evil: :evil

:lol: kavundar joke nyabagam varudhu ....
pree ya kidaicha pinayl a kooda kudippan nu .. andha kadhaiya pochu :lol:

tis really pathetic to hear such news ...... :( manasatchingardhu marundhukku kooda illaya ivanga kitta ellam ....... idhai ellam pannitu apram eppadi dhairiyamaa thappichuda mudiyum ulagathula thala kaata mudiyum nnu nambaraangalO ..... :(

[Lambretta]

BG,
if such a thing had happend to the kith or kin of a bigshot/political figure, they wudve left no stone unturned in finding the culprit!

[bingleguy]

BG,
if such a thing had happend to the kith or kin of a bigshot/political figure, they wudve left no stone unturned in finding the culprit!

finding the culprit .... tats there ...
now wats the situation of the poor gal .... :(

[bingleguy]

How funny! :lol: On one side modernists thinking on global level, cheering the woman like as people do a winning horse on the race course fleeting like wind with frothing mouth:'come on, come on', advising her to come out of tradition's shackles, do away with the barbaric custom of 'marriage' & pursue a search for the 'right' partner on trial & error basis- :lol: - live for self & self's 'love'(no, not lust!), and for this fulfilling life mission she must come out of the bounds of a prison made of four walls & search for greener pastures to 'graze' to her heart's fill, the MEDIA dedicated to guide her on this noble purpose; on the other hand some outdated, good-for-nothing, philosophers croaking like some kiNaththu thavaLaikaL(frogs deep inside a dark well) Do we see light at the end of the tunnel? :roll:

:lol: Well-Said PP maam :thumbsup:

as such the gee-up is a motivating factor ;-) not a kindling one though ;-) there are some weeds trying to kindle the wrong feelings and making use of it..... andha maadiri visha kirimigaL idam pengaL jaakardhaiyAga iruthal vendum ....

[ajithfederer]

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200804270343.htm

Lucknow (PTI): In yet another case of drunken driving involving children of VIPs, Kasif Abbas, son of Uttar Pradesh MLA Shadab Fatima, allegedly mowed down four persons and injured eight others sleeping on a pavement here early Saturday.

19-year-old Abbas was driving his mother's red-beaconed sports utility vehicle when he lost control over the vehicle and reportedly ran over eight persons, killing three on the spot and also hit four bikers before colliding with an electric pole and a betel shop in Parivartan Chowk area, police said.

The injured were rushed to the hospital, where one Jagdish succumbed to injuries. Those killed included two rickshaw pullers --Lakshman (50) and Hasan (45) and an unidentified 14-year-old.

"Beer cans and cigarette packets are recovered from the Safari. It's case of drunken driving and strict action is being initiated against the accused. A case under section 304 (culpable homicide) of CrPC has been registered against him", IG Lucknow Zone A K Jain said. UP DGP Vikram Singh said Abbas did not have a driving license and was arrested.

Abbas, who was caught from the spot by passers-by and handed over to police while he was trying to flee, is the son of Samajwadi Party MLA from Ghazipur Shadab Fatima, who is also Chairperson of UP Upbhokta Sahkari Sangh while his father is an engineer.

"I lost control while trying to save two bikers. I was not drunk", Abbas told reporters in police custody before being produced to the local court here. Remand magistrate Saif Ahmad sent Abbas to judicial remand till April 29. The magistrate will also hear the bail application of the accused on that day.

[pavalamani pragasam]

[tscii:132f77eb5a]My opinion echoed exactly in 3 letters in the ‘Letters to the Editor’ in today’s ‘The Hindu’:

“The import of the cheerleading concept is yet another step in the backward direction we a re taking in the name of westernization. I am not sure why we accept all the western ways without separating the meaningful ones from the meaningless. At a time when more and more western people are looking at the east as a source of ancient wisdom, it is an irony that we are so enthusiastic about importing silly concepts like cheerleading.”

“Cricket has enough magnetism to attract people across the world during all seasons. The introduction of cheerleaders, a western idea, in the IPL matches is nothing but a tactic to attract more spectators to the venues. Indians have never encouraged or promoted obscenity. Let the game remain as it has always been.”

“Cheerleaders are meant to entertain. With Test matches and limited-over matches reaching a saturation point, cricket administrators introduced the new edition called Twenty20. Just as they auctioned players, they brought in paid cheerleaders at the matches. They may add glamour but certainly do not enrich the atmosphere. In fact, they distract the crowd and the players. Governments cannot be faulted for taking steps to regulate their dress code.”
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[joe]

<Removed by myself>

[pavalamani pragasam]

The purpose of my opening this thread is to post, discuss, invite a healthy debate on what I considered shameful. I see no reason to change the original aim! People wishing to report news, carry on their favourite topics may go to relevant threads or create new threads & allow this thread to proceed peacefully in a healthy fashion as it has been doing for so long!

[joe]

The purpose of my opening this thread is to post, discuss, invite a healthy debate on what I considered shameful. I see no reason to change the original aim! People wishing to report news, carry on their favourite topics may go to relevant threads or create new threads & allow this thread to proceed peacefully in a healthy fashion as it has been doing for so long!

Saringa :oops:

I posted just because admist many shameful news ,we also have some proud news such i posted ,which we get very rarely.

Let me remove it.

[Punnaimaran]

[tscii:5705611508]Wanted Good Samaritans

New Delhi: With an overwhelming precentage of the total road fatalities occurring in Indian metros, a few of those lives could be saved only if one of us had bothered to stop and help.


Such a case recently occurred in the national Capital - an accident victim bled to death, lying on a busy intersection for over an hour. Help did come, but too late. Such an incident is clearly symptomatic of our apathy


A 51-year-old professor of management, Shams, bled to death after a bike accident near Ashram Chowk early this week.


Shams' wife, Tahira blames the compassionless city that left him to die. She says, “If someone had helped, then he would have been here with us today.”


There was no help for Shams who lay on the road for an hour, not even from the police who were just around the corner. The only man who stopped his vehicle was neuro-anaesthetist at AIIMS, Dr Anil Sharma, who was abused for his efforts.


“People started shouting at me, saying I’ll cause a traffic jam, but I didn’t care. I checked for his vitals and then made arrangements to take him quickly to the hospital. But what really hurts me is that why were there no CATS, no police? Are they all parked at Parliament?” Dr Sharma demanded.


Shams Tabrez lost his life to indifference.


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[pavalamani pragasam]

Utter shame! That too in the capital of such a 'great' country! :(

[Punnaimaran]

The greatness of a nation is defined by its people.

It's painful to hear incidents like these. I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

[dev]

:( selfish ppl... :x

[sarna_blr]

sarna_blr :rotfl:

i should laugh at u... but u r laughing at me... wt a funny.... :rotfl2:

Let others decide who is laughable.. Leave it.

:exactly:

:rotfl2:

[littlemaster1982]

[tscii:5374737264]Times of India (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOI/navigator.asp?Daily=TOIBG&login=default&AW=1209645688765)



HONOUR KILLING NEAR GADAG

18-yr-old thrashed, burnt alive

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Hubli: An honour killing can’t possibly be worse than this. Caste — the common factor in most such incidents in northern India — was absent here. The only ‘crime’ 18-year-old Rekha Gokavi had committed was she loved a boy from a lesser economic status. She was clobbered and burnt — while she was still alive — by her father and uncle.

The outrage, which occurred on April 22 in Chikkasavanur, a tiny village in Gadag district about 80 km from here, came to light only on Tuesday. Gadag police superintendent D Roopa informed The Times of India that Rekha, a high school dropout, was in love with Narasanagowda Patil (22), against the wishes of their families. Both belonged to the Reddy community.

Rekha’s parents had sent her to a relative’s house, in another village, to keep her away from Patil. On April 22, she returned to her village to meet Patil, but told her family she had come to participate in the Ugra Narasimhaswamy Jatra Mahotsava, a village festival.

Patil’s mother, Gangamma, saw them together in their house and informed Rekha’s father, Narasa Reddy, the FIR says. Narasa Reddy and his elder brother, Bhooma Reddy, rushed to the place, dragged Rekha out and beat her black and blue. Villagers said the girl was alive when her father and uncle set her on fire at their farmhouse. “She was crying for help, but we could not do anything other than being mute spectators, fearing consequences,” said a farmer, tears in his eyes.

A neighbour said the girl’s parents, who had been looking for a suitable match, could not digest the fact that she was with her lover inside his house. A source said the boy’s different financial status — his family is not well to do — might have forced the Reddy brothers to resort to the savagery. Cases under the IPC’s Section 302 (murder) and Section 201 (destroying evidence) have been registered. Narasa Reddy and his brother are under arrest, the SP said.


:( :( :banghead: :banghead:[/tscii:5374737264]

[sarna_blr]

sila murpoku sindhanaivaadhigal....idharku enna solvaargalO... illa yaarO 50--60 varushaththukku munnaadi sonna karuththukkala copy/paste pannuvaangalO.... ? :roll:

Car'layE suththi... internet'la ulagaththa paakkuravanaga... konja car'a vittu erangi sEri/graamam pakkam pOyi paarunga... idhavida bayangaramaana kodumaingala paappeenga... :oops:

[littlemaster1982]

sila murpoku sindhanaivaadhigal....idharku enna solvaargalO... illa yaarO 50--60 varushaththukku munnaadi sonna karuththukkala copy/paste pannuvaangalO.... ? :roll:


Sarna,

Neenga edhukku ippa murpokku sindhanaa vaadhigal-ai koopidaringa. Indha kodumaiyai panninadhu innum pazhaiya kaalatthulaiye irukkaravangadhan :x

[crazy]

hm....

[bingleguy]

The greatness of a nation is defined by its people.

It's painful to hear incidents like these. I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

:thumbsup: every Indian should second this thought !!!!

are we lacking human values :roll: in a nation like ours - who have a big part of the world's population !!! We should be an illustration to the world for human values as we really have many to bother about ... but is that turning against us ? are we lacking human values simply becoz we have too many ppl to worry about ?????

:roll:

[bingleguy]

Car'layE suththi... internet'la ulagaththa paakkuravanaga... konja car'a vittu erangi sEri/graamam pakkam pOyi paarunga... idhavida bayangaramaana kodumaingala paappeenga... :oops:

are u asking this question again ???? :roll: or is it a deja-vu for me :lol: i believe PP maam answered to this question some days back ... am not sure if i can find that post .....

[pavalamani pragasam]

The greatness of a nation is defined by its people.

It's painful to hear incidents like these. I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

:thumbsup: I am always for upholding values!

[joe]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

[pavalamani pragasam]

In this week's issue of Kumudam in the Arasu bathil column the following question-answer caught my attention:
Q:Which is the most dangerous place to live in the world, eelam? Afghanistan? Iraq?
A:American past president Bill Clinton once referred to Kashmir as the most dangerous living place. How does Philadelpia, an American state, smaller in size than Kashmir, fare? In the year 2007 alone 392 people were killed there in violence. All those who were killed were common people, specifically blacks. But the number of common people killed in attacks in Kashmir in the same year is 170. Kashmir has five times the population of Philadelpia. But America's Philadelpia is rife with murder, the cause being easy availability of weapons & race discrimination. Is your question answered?

[littlemaster1982]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

:exactly:

[crazy]

:clap: @ pp amma's last post

[crazy]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

petrorukku human values theriyuma? :(
avangalukku yaar solli koduppa?

veedu palli irandilum pillaingalukku nalladha solli kodukka vendum (human values) :)

[dev]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

:exactly:

[dev]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

petrorukku human values theriyuma? :(
avangalukku yaar solli koduppa?

veedu palli irandilum pillaingalukku nalladha solli kodukka vendum (human values) :)

Nalla kelvi!!!... Hmmm... petrorukku values theriyaadhuna appo teachers-ku values therinju irukka chance kammi... Ippo enna pannuradhu?... :confused2:

[dev]

In this week's issue of Kumudam in the Arasu bathil column the following question-answer caught my attention:
Q:Which is the most dangerous place to live in the world, eelam? Afghanistan? Iraq?
A:American past president Bill Clinton once referred to Kashmir as the most dangerous living place. How does Philadelpia, an American state, smaller in size than Kashmir, fare? In the year 2007 alone 392 people were killed there in violence. All those who were killed were common people, specifically blacks. But the number of common people killed in attacks in Kashmir in the same year is 170. Kashmir has five times the population of Philadelpia. But America's Philadelpia is rife with murder, the cause being easy availability of weapons & race discrimination. Is your question answered?

Hmmm... many cases in India don't come to light... so indha stats ellam chumma patthirikaila ezhudha venumna nalla irukkum... :x 2 pakkamum problems irukku... adhai solve pannura vazhiyay paarkamal mosathila edhu mosamngra discussion ellam waste!!!...

[crazy]

akka
pallikoodathila paadama eduthu nadathum podhu ...human values theriyaathavangalaya aasiriyara poduvaanga? :roll:

[joe]

petrorukku human values theriyuma? :(
avangalukku yaar solli koduppa?

veedu palli irandilum pillaingalukku nalladha solli kodukka vendum (human values) :)

I don't deny schools also have responsibility to teach human values.

But making it as a compulsary subject won't make any difference ..Students will try to get maximum marks in papers ,not sure how far they will apply in life.

Petrorukku human values theriyallinna ,school-la evvaLavu thaan solli koduthaalum waste thaan.

Petrorukku yaar solli koduppa-nnu kekkureenga ..It is not a academic qualification and something to get certified ..Parents should want to see their children not only as a qualified academically ,but also a good human being with social concious.

[app_engine]

The greatness of a nation is defined by its people.

It's painful to hear incidents like these. I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

The necessity to teach and to have human values is definitely important (everyone has a respo in getting this education - parents, schools, society, govt.). This is easier said than done in a time period where we're living in critical times and all values are on the downfall.

However, will having human values alone solve such incidents? A big NO! I have often seen a crowd of people with lot of "human values" (often villagers) gathering together on the CBE-Palakkad highway whenever an accident takes place, showing a lot of sympathy-empathy etc, causing big traffic hold-ups, women & children crying etc and finally the accident victim dying. (the truck driver who hit often stops the truck and runs away, fearing his own life).

Obviously more is needed, primarily a robust "emergency support system" with trained personnel and extensive network. This is not as difficult to create IMO (at least easier to create than embedding human values in all :) ) provided those in authority have the will. How much % of budget goes into such systems?

[Messi]

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.
For those with no parents?

No definite answer exists as to who bear the responsibility to give moral lessons. I was neither given nor taught, but learned it by myself.

[crazy]

if we had (more) parents who wanted their children to be good human beings with social conscious ...we wouldn't have had so many inhuman acts in our countries :(

nammakkenna petrorogal(naama) kettkiradhe niruthinaale ...paatthi human values katthukitta maari thaan :P


apropos making it as a cumpulsary studies, they must encourage students to do good by taking students to do social works etc.

[dev]

akka
pallikoodathila paadama eduthu nadathum podhu ...human values theriyaathavangalaya aasiriyara poduvaanga? :roll:

Crazy, naan ippo paarkira pala aasiriyargal kadamaikaaga padam mattume nadathubavargal... matthapadi values katthu kudukira interest kuda avargalidam illai!!!...Human values therinjavanga marks vaangalaingaradhukkaga manavargalai mattam thatti pesuvadhu, keli seivadhu, alavukku meeri adippadhu pondra kariyangal seiyya koodathu... aanal adhu thaan niraya palligalil nadakiradhu...

[dev]

The greatness of a nation is defined by its people.

It's painful to hear incidents like these. I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

The necessity to teach and to have human values is definitely important (everyone has a respo in getting this education - parents, schools, society, govt.). This is easier said than done in a time period where we're living in critical times and all values are on the downfall.

However, will having human values alone solve such incidents? A big NO! I have often seen a crowd of people with lot of "human values" (often villagers) gathering together on the CBE-Palakkad highway whenever an accident takes place, showing a lot of sympathy-empathy etc, causing big traffic hold-ups, women & children crying etc and finally the accident victim dying. (the truck driver who hit often stops the truck and runs away, fearing his own life).

Obviously more is needed, primarily a robust "emergency support system" with trained personnel and extensive network. This is not as difficult to create IMO (at least easier to create than embedding human values in all :) ) provided those in authority have the will. How much % of budget goes into such systems?

Well said!!!... I have had a similar experience where ppl were trying to get some vehicle to take the victim to the hosp... they were trying to stop the passing vehicles & when we offered ours, they started giving us great advices like "ponnunga ellam irukaanga.avanga bayanthiduvaanga", "police prechnai aagidum","courtku alaya vendi varum" etc etc... :twisted:

[app_engine]

I think even to "delink" the good samaritan from the legal consequences wasn't there till a few years back. Many used to fear the possibility of police-court business and avoid helping victims. I think it's no longer the case (someone please correct me if this is a legal issue even now). Similarly, I think there are some improvements in non-govt. hospitals accepting accident victims too in the recent years. It was horrible a couple of decades back when they won't take you in.

Definitely such improvements are saving lives compared to previous years. Now, what's really needed is a fleet of emergency vehicles, trained man-power and good communication network. All these can be easily provided by the govt. (though it's more difficult to create other infrastructure like roads).

[Sanguine Sridhar]

Teaching human values in the school, especially in India is a joke!

Teaching human values at home is more sensible.

"...avar nallavaravadhum theeyavar aavadhum annai valarpinile.."

8-)

[dev]

I think even to "delink" the good samaritan from the legal consequences wasn't there till a few years back. Many used to fear the possibility of police-court business and avoid helping victims. I think it's no longer the case (someone please correct me if this is a legal issue even now). Similarly, I think there are some improvements in non-govt. hospitals accepting accident victims too in the recent years. (It was horrible a couple of decades back when they won't take you in.

Definitely such improvements are saving lives compared to previous years. Now, what's really needed is a fleet of emergency vehicles, trained man-power and good communication network. All these can be easily provided by the govt. (though it's more difficult to create other infrastructure like roads).

Tht's true...

During my last cbe visit, I did see emergency vehicles(24/7) at some of the worst accident prone zones... But those were tht of some pvt hospitals if I remember it right...

[crazy]

akka
pallikoodathila paadama eduthu nadathum podhu ...human values theriyaathavangalaya aasiriyara poduvaanga? :roll:

Crazy, naan ippo paarkira pala aasiriyargal kadamaikaaga padam mattume nadathubavargal... matthapadi values katthu kudukira interest kuda avargalidam illai!!!...Human values therinjavanga marks vaangalaingaradhukkaga manavargalai mattam thatti pesuvadhu, keli seivadhu, alavukku meeri adippadhu pondra kariyangal seiyya koodathu... aanal adhu thaan niraya palligalil nadakiradhu...

hayyo aasiriyargalum seri illai, petrorgalum seri illai (not all)
enge sellum indha paathai :sigh2:

[joe]

apropos making it as a cumpulsary studies, they must encourage students to do good by taking students to do social works etc.

This is what our college is doing.

We had a spl programme called 'Shepered Programme" ,each class is assigned to a village near trichy and we had camps there ,spend time with villagers and did many activitirs .

It is compulsary and each one should work there a min hours ,otherwise you won't get degree ,irrespective of your academic excellence.

I wrote my experience here

http://cdjm.blogspot.com/2005/11/blog-post_30.html

[crazy]

theres still a chance ... :thumbsup:

btw just came to the para ...joe anna, u studied in st.josephs college in trichy, wow :P
my physic master said that dr.abdul kalam studied there :)

[joe]

theres still a chance ... :thumbsup:

:)
http://www.sjctni.edu/Shepherd/

[joe]

theres still a chance ... :thumbsup:

btw just came to the para ...joe anna, u studied in st.josephs college in trichy, wow :P
my physic master said that dr.abdul kalam studied there :)

Ofcourse ,Didn't you read my last line in that article? :D

[crazy]

btw avalo thaana? neenga andha oorla vera ennenna seitheergal'nu ezhuthala? :)

[crazy]

theres still a chance ... :thumbsup:

btw just came to the para ...joe anna, u studied in st.josephs college in trichy, wow :P
my physic master said that dr.abdul kalam studied there :)

Ofcourse ,Didn't you read my last line in that article? :D

just finished :thumbsup:

ithanayum sonna en vaatthi(he himself studied in st josephs), sphered prog patthi sonnaara... :banghead: no wonder teachers r just doing their job :hammer:

anyway i wish all schools / coll had a prog like this.

btw, sutti inge'ke keezh andha link paartthen/ padichen :P

[joe]

btw avalo thaana? neenga andha oorla vera ennenna seitheergal'nu ezhuthala? :)

Niraya Panninom.
We divide our class into many groups ,each one dedicated for Education ,Agriculture ,Electricity & Road facility etc etc.

Eg: Agriculture team will educate and assist the poor formers on testing the soil and do appropriate cultivation with the help of agriculture department.

Education Team will visit each house to give them awareness on importance of education and clarify their doubts.

Actually there is no road and bus for the village assigned to us ..have to walk atleast 2 kms ..We made the villagers fight with authorities and finally got the road.

many more.. :)

[crazy]

sorry for all my digg :oops:

joe anna, just read ivana thamizhan ...sth i felt for long time ... that poem and that pic :thumbsup: and ur reply about thanimanidha vazhipaadu ...good :)
neram kidaikkum podhu ..meethangalayum padikkanum...saw ur reply to someone about trichy ...couldnt find any ..endha archive keezh irukkunnu sonna naanum trichy patthiya ungal karutthai padikkalaam :)



Niraya Panninom.
We divide our class into many groups ,each one dedicated for Education ,Agriculture ,Electricity & Road facility etc etc.

Eg: Agriculture team will educate and assist the poor formers on testing the soil and do appropriate cultivation with the help of agriculture department.

Education Team will visit each house to give them awareness on importance of education and clarify their doubts.

Actually there is no road and bus for the village assigned to us ..have to walk atleast 2 kms ..We made the villagers fight with authorities and finally got the road.

many more.. :)

:clap: :thumbsup:

[sarna_blr]

Car'layE suththi... internet'la ulagaththa paakkuravanaga... konja car'a vittu erangi sEri/graamam pakkam pOyi paarunga... idhavida bayangaramaana kodumaingala paappeenga... :oops:

are u asking this question again ???? :roll: or is it a deja-vu for me :lol: i believe PP maam answered to this question some days back ... am not sure if i can find that post .....

BG... this question is not at u.... 8-) ...

i too read PP mam's post.... didnt u understand... :roll:

[sarna_blr]

sila murpoku sindhanaivaadhigal....idharku enna solvaargalO... illa yaarO 50--60 varushaththukku munnaadi sonna karuththukkala copy/paste pannuvaangalO.... ? :roll:


Sarna,

Neenga edhukku ippa murpokku sindhanaa vaadhigal-ai koopidaringa. Indha kodumaiyai panninadhu innum pazhaiya kaalatthulaiye irukkaravangadhan :x

LM....
innum majority people ippadi dhaan irukkaanganu sollavandhEn....

[sarna_blr]

btw avalo thaana? neenga andha oorla vera ennenna seitheergal'nu ezhuthala? :)

Niraya Panninom.
We divide our class into many groups ,each one dedicated for Education ,Agriculture ,Electricity & Road facility etc etc.

Eg: Agriculture team will educate and assist the poor formers on testing the soil and do appropriate cultivation with the help of agriculture department.

Education Team will visit each house to give them awareness on importance of education and clarify their doubts.

Actually there is no road and bus for the village assigned to us ..have to walk atleast 2 kms ..We made the villagers fight with authorities and finally got the road.

many more.. :)

:2thumbsup: :clap: :bow:

singaiyilaa? :roll:

[joe]

singaiyilaa? :roll:

Thampi ..Previous post-lam konjam padichu paaruppa.

[littlemaster1982]

sila murpoku sindhanaivaadhigal....idharku enna solvaargalO... illa yaarO 50--60 varushaththukku munnaadi sonna karuththukkala copy/paste pannuvaangalO.... ? :roll:


Sarna,

Neenga edhukku ippa murpokku sindhanaa vaadhigal-ai koopidaringa. Indha kodumaiyai panninadhu innum pazhaiya kaalatthulaiye irukkaravangadhan :x

LM....
innum majority people ippadi dhaan irukkaanganu sollavandhEn....

That's OK. I felt your above reference was irrelevant. Vera onnum illa.

[sarna_blr]

singaiyilaa? :roll:

Thampi ..Previous post-lam konjam padichu paaruppa.

neenga solla maatteengalaa? :roll:

[sarna_blr]

Mr Joe... no probs... i read previous posts also... and ur blog.... :roll:

[ajithfederer]

Glad that you brought it here. It is true Infact the death toll crossed 400 last year here and this year it is mounting as well. But it is confined to certain places in the city. African americans are most of them who commit these murders and more than racial discrimination it is the lack of education and employment opportunites that causes them distress and commit these blunders :evil:

In this week's issue of Kumudam in the Arasu bathil column the following question-answer caught my attention:
Q:Which is the most dangerous place to live in the world, eelam? Afghanistan? Iraq?
A:American past president Bill Clinton once referred to Kashmir as the most dangerous living place. How does Philadelpia, an American state, smaller in size than Kashmir, fare? In the year 2007 alone 392 people were killed there in violence. All those who were killed were common people, specifically blacks. But the number of common people killed in attacks in Kashmir in the same year is 170. Kashmir has five times the population of Philadelpia. But America's Philadelpia is rife with murder, the cause being easy availability of weapons & race discrimination. Is your question answered?

[pavalamani pragasam]

So, it is confirmed? Not some unfounded sensational news in a janatha magazine!

[app_engine]

ajithfederer,

Don't you see that in this case arasu has given an 'ara vEkkAdu' badhil? First of all, he doesn't even comprehend the difference between a state and a city (Phily is not a state but a city). In addition, ethnic conflicts / terrorism should not be considered at par with local crime / vandalism etc. You may know better about the local situation but I doubt whether any "ethnic conflict / terrorism" is going on in Phily. Another nonsense is that those were 'common' people that got killed, which is debatable. I live in the metro area of a city rated worse in crime than Phily (I think Detroit is #1 in U.S. currently) and most who get killed are in gang-wars, particularly related to drug trade. There are cases of innocents getting killed in "being in the wrong place at the wrong time", but most locals understand which areas to avoid at what times and it's quite unusual to hear about any visitors getting killed. (And you know how thorough the local media reports crime here, unlike back home).

However, I agree that with the easy availability of guns, safety is a very big concern in mega cities in U.S., despite excellent efforts of law-enforcing authorities.

Even with guns not so freely available, I think our cities (Delhi / Mumbai / Chennai/ Kolkota) must be having similar numbers - due to rowdyism, political rivalry, family conflicts etc. Many don't get reported at all or even when reported, they may be "covered up" (as suicide / heart attack for e.g.)

However, I can understand in one context -that is to give back what Clinton gave us. Unfortunately, it's so late:)

[app_engine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Also see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Detroit

[app_engine]

ajithfederer,
unga ooru stats ingE:

If one queries here for the Phily metro area, it reports 482 murders in 2007. This is official, police department figure.
http://ucr.psp.state.pa.us/UCR/Reporting/Monthly/Summary/MonthlySumOffenseUI.asp

One wonders where arasu got his smaller number? If for such a simple info published on the web arasu cannot be accurate, what can be told about his numbers for the terror troubled / war torn regions? vAikku vandhapadi EdhAvadhu ezhudha vENdiyadhu dhAnE?

Can arasu also give stats as to how many travelled in 2007 from Chennai to Phily v/s Chennai to Jaffna / Kabul / Babylon etc?:-)

[app_engine]

And ajithfederer,

Forget about Clinton, what is (or "what was" around the time when rOjA got released) the perception of an average Indian about Kashmir? Why the huge tourism industry surrounding dall lake got eroded? Why so much money has to be spent for "z" securities for all political figures (including those ousted out of their offices)

muzhuppoosaniyai sOththukkuL maRaikkum muyaRchi allavA idhu? And you yourselves live in Phily as a "common" person, do you feel more comfortable to visit Afghan or Iraq than your downtown, honestly?

[ajithfederer]

I was just conforming with the number given by the author. And yes most of the times its due to personal vendetta / gangwars and in half of the cases its an attempt to robbery. :)

ajithfederer,

Don't you see that in this case arasu has given an 'ara vEkkAdu' badhil? First of all, he doesn't even comprehend the difference between a state and a city (Phily is not a state but a city). In addition, ethnic conflicts / terrorism should not be considered at par with local crime / vandalism etc. You may know better about the local situation but I doubt whether any "ethnic conflict / terrorism" is going on in Phily. Another nonsense is that those were 'common' people that got killed, which is debatable. I live in the metro area of a city rated worse in crime than Phily (I think Detroit is #1 in U.S. currently) and most who get killed are in gang-wars, particularly related to drug trade. There are cases of innocents getting killed in "being in the wrong place at the wrong time", but most locals understand which areas to avoid at what times and it's quite unusual to hear about any visitors getting killed. (And you know how thorough the local media reports crime here, unlike back home).

However, I agree that with the easy availability of guns, safety is a very big concern in mega cities in U.S., despite excellent efforts of law-enforcing authorities.

Even with guns not so freely available, I think our cities (Delhi / Mumbai / Chennai/ Kolkota) must be having similar numbers - due to rowdyism, political rivalry, family conflicts etc. Many don't get reported at all or even when reported, they may be "covered up" (as suicide / heart attack for e.g.)

However, I can understand in one context -that is to give back what Clinton gave us. Unfortunately, it's so late:)

[ajithfederer]

Downtown than :lol:

And ajithfederer,

Forget about Clinton, what is (or "what was" around the time when rOjA got released) the perception of an average Indian about Kashmir? Why the huge tourism industry surrounding dall lake got eroded? Why so much money has to be spent for "z" securities for all political figures (including those ousted out of their offices)

muzhuppoosaniyai sOththukkuL maRaikkum muyaRchi allavA idhu? And you yourselves live in Phily as a "common" person, do you feel more comfortable to visit Afghan or Iraq than your downtown, honestly?

[app_engine]

ajithfederer:-)

I actually love arasu badhilkaL, right from my childhood, for the wit. However, mostly the arasu badhilkaL are for fun and not to be taken that seriously. To bring them up here in a somewhat more serious discussion and to create as if Phily were worse than Baghdad with a view to start another "blame-west-for-everything-propaganda" is quite mischievous, IMO.

And as you've rightly pointed out, while those killed were probably mostly AA, they were the majority in the killing group as well. Pretty obvious that these are gang wars and local crime.

No doubt there is discrimination (though not officially or legally but in a 'old-habits-die-hard' way) which unfortunately partly -only partly - contributes to their lack of employment, poverty and in-turn drugs / crime. However to cite that racism as the direct reason for crime is unacceptable IMO. For eg, Detroit is >80% AA and typically crime is not committed against them by non-AA:-(

And to compare this with what's happening in places where pograms and ethnic cleansing stuff is taking place is outrageous. I think arasu suffers from a syndrome similar to that of the 'katRadhu Thamizh' hero, who condemns call-center guy for his personal problems. (Interestingly, it's a very different story when arasu writes about N Modi whom he consistently condemns. If someone asks the same question again, if he is in a different mood, Phily will probably be replaced by Gandhinagar:) )

[app_engine]

Finally, a personal invitation to arasu (oru vELai vAsikkalAm)-

I'll be happy to take you today to my son's performance in the school drama with my very close friend of AA origin or to the funeral home to see my another close AA friend's mom's body to pay homage (plus attend the funeral ceremony next saturday) and these will be attended by majority AA....all in the crime #1 city in U.S. and also to walk around anywhere in downtown or metro area with me and attend similar everyday events.

After staying around for a month or so with us - like a typical, local, common person (and not some apartment-office-mall-apartment kind of "typical alien" lifestyle), then write what you really feel in your badhilkaL:-)

chummA Clinton mEla uLLa veRuppaikkAtta vAikku vandha padi pEsakkoodAdhu:-(

[pavalamani pragasam]

eeyaththai paarththu iLichchathaam piththaLai kathaiyaa irukku!!! :lol:

[app_engine]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=410616&disdate=5/4/2008

It's a shame that often innocent mates (mostly women whose husbands frequented prostitutes) and poor children (unborn / at birth etc) have to pay such a big price:-(

[crazy]

நோய் தடுப்பு திட்டங்கள்

எய்ட்ஸ் நோயால் தாய், தந்தையை இழந்து அனாதையாகிவிட்ட குழந்தைகளை காப்பாற்றுவதற்காக ரூ.5 கோடியில் அறக்கட்டளை ஒன்று அமைக்கப்படும் என்று முதல்-அமைச்சர் கருணாநிதி அறிவித்துள்ளார். இந்தியாவிலே முதன்முறையாக இந்த அறக்கட்டளை அமைக்கப்படுகிறது.

ini thaan panna poraangala? :oops:

vizhippunarvu erpaduthuvathai thavira arasaangam vera enna pannudhu?

enakku romba naala oru sandegam, why cant they abolish prostitution? wiki has a lot to say :?

thappa eduthukkaatheenga ..edho aarvathil ketkiren :(

AIDS/ HIV kids innocents :( :(

[app_engine]

>>why cant they abolish prostitution<<

To my knowledge, it's illegal in TN. Don't you read news reports like 'அழகிகள் :) கைது'?

[kannannn]

enakku romba naala oru sandegam, why cant they abolish prostitution? wiki has a lot to say :?


Much as I feel for the innocent families of promiscuous husbands, banning prostitution is not the right answer (though there is a law along those lines). If anything, make it legal and give prostitutes legal cover. That way they will know their rights and demand of their costumers safe sex. They will also be saved from the harrassment of the police and pimps.

[joe]

enakku romba naala oru sandegam, why cant they abolish prostitution? wiki has a lot to say :?


Much as I feel for the innocent families of promiscuous husbands, banning prostitution is not the right answer (though there is a law along those lines). If anything, make it legal and give prostitutes legal cover. That way they will know their rights and demand of their costumers safe sex. They will also be saved from the harrassment of the police and pimps.

:exactly:

[Punnaimaran]

I sincerely believe that Human Values should be taken up as a compulsory subject in schools.

Athaiyum byheart panni nalla mark vaangiduvaanga.

I think ,Home has more responsibility than school in this aspect ..Parents should give importance and set an example for children ,instead of making their children as marks making mechine.

I agree with you. But the main aim of this subject in schools is mainly for the parents.

[joe]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

[crajkumar_be]

Much as I feel for the innocent families of promiscuous husbands, banning prostitution is not the right answer (though there is a law along those lines). If anything, make it legal and give prostitutes legal cover. That way they will know their rights and demand of their costumers safe sex. They will also be saved from the harrassment of the police and pimps.
:exactly:

[Punnaimaran]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

uyarndha gOpurangaL ; thAzhndha uLLangaL

What a shame !!

[crazy]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

asingam avamaanam :evil:

[crazy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7386601.stm

caste wall is partly demolished !

enna kodumai idhu :evil:


About 800 higher caste Hindus are reported to have decided to leave the village and seek refuge on a nearby hillock in protest against the decision.

[MrIndia]

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/woman-stripped-for-refusing-to-join-cpm-rally/64740-3.html


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

ivanga ellam india-ku illai intha ulagathuku thevaiya...
kadavul nichayam nindru kolvaar

[app_engine]

Both these (TN's caste wall and Nandigram's harassment) are really shocking and painful reports to read:-(

[joe]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

இடிக்கப்பட்டது அவமானச் சின்னம் :D
http://santhipu.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_08.html

[Shakthiprabha.]

Good!

[Punnaimaran]

Bhubaneswar: A shocking story from Orissa. A tribal labourer and his four-year-old daughter were thrown off a bus because they were Rs 2 short on their ticket fares. Both of them died on the spot.


It was a journey that ended cruelly by the wayside. Sanischar Tapto and his four-year-old daughter Sunita were on way from Orissa's Jharsuguda district to their home in Sundergarh.


But he had with him only Rs 8 instead of Rs 10 required for the bus tickets.


The conductor was angry and allegedly pushed both father and daughter out of the moving bus. They came under the wheels and were crushed to death.


Recalling the incident Sahadev Nayak a passenger of the bus said, “When the man said he has no more money, some fellow passengers also offered to pay two rupees on his behalf to the conductor. But the conductor did not listen and pushed them."


After the incident the conductor ran away and surrendered at the nearby local police station. An angry mob set the bus on fire and blocked the national highway for hours.


The state government quickly ordered a compensation of Rs 1 lakh to the family of the victims.


The state government is now planning to make it mandatory for conductors of all private buses to be registered. This, it feels, would keep a tab on private bus conductors.

[pavalamani pragasam]

:sigh2:

[Shakthiprabha.]

The state government quickly ordered a compensation of Rs 1 lakh to the family of the victims.

:mad:



The state government is now planning to make it mandatory for conductors of all private buses to be registered. This, it feels, would keep a tab on private bus conductors.



After the incident the conductor ran away and surrendered at the nearby local police station. An angry mob set the bus on fire and blocked the national highway for hours.


What was the action taken against that CONDUCTOR FOR HIS INHUMANE act ? Please post the follow up actions taken if any !

[Badri]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

இடிக்கப்பட்டது அவமானச் சின்னம் :D
http://santhipu.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_08.html

முதல்வர் திரு மு கருணானிதி The Hindu-விற்கு அளித்த பேட்டி
http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/16/stories/2008051654380600.htm

இந்த சிக்கலை மிக sensitive-ஆக handle செய்துள்ளார்.

பாராட்ட வேன்டிய செயல் :clap:

[Punnaimaran]

What was the action taken against that CONDUCTOR FOR HIS INHUMANE act ? Please post the follow up actions taken if any !

It is a sad thing that the Indian Press does not follow up any news unless it involves a celebrity. I would definitely post if any follow up is there.

Punnaimaran

[crazy]

Theendaamai suvar
http://athirai.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post.html

Shame :x shame :x what a shame ? :evil:

இடிக்கப்பட்டது அவமானச் சின்னம் :D
http://santhipu.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_08.html

முதல்வர் திரு மு கருணானிதி The Hindu-விற்கு அளித்த பேட்டி
http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/16/stories/2008051654380600.htm

இந்த சிக்கலை மிக sensitive-ஆக handle செய்துள்ளார்.

பாராட்ட வேன்டிய செயல் :clap:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7404062.stm hm.... :?

[MrIndia]

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/18/hit-pause-on-the-evil-button-google-assists-in-arrest-of-indian-man/


thalaivargala paththi thappa pesatheengo thappa pesatheengo.. :shaking:

[app_engine]

As expected - sodhappal on the investigation related to vaccine deaths:-(

http://kumudam.com/magazine/Reporter/2008-05-25/pg11.php

[MrIndia]

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/doc-killed-teen-daughter-to-hide-his-love-affair/65822-3.html


:oops: doctorsssszzzzz

[crazy]

hm ... :sigh2:

[bingleguy]

Arushi :(

[joe]

http://photobala.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_23.html

[crazy]

http://photobala.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_23.html

very interesting :clap:


2020ல் இந்தியா வல்லரசாகும் என்கிறார்கள். செவ்வாய்க்கு ராக்கெட் விட்டவர்கள், எங்கோ விண்வெளியில் தண்ணீரையும் கண்டுபிடித்துவிட்டார்கள். எல்லாம் விரல் நுனியில் என்று எத்தனையோ தொழில் நுட்பங்கள் வந்துவிட்டன. ஆனால் மனிதக் கழிவுகளை மனிதனே அள்ளிக் கொண்டிருக்கிறான். முதலில் இதற்கொரு கருவி கண்டுபிடியுங்கள். எந்த ஒரு வல்லரசு நாடும் கைகளால் மலம் அள்ளுவதில்லை.

hm ... :sigh2:

btw andha blod padichittu hub paakka...kan koosudhu :oops:

[MrIndia]

http://www.ibnlive.com/photogallery/550.html


kadhal kadhal kadhal illaiye saadhal saadhal saadhal :x

[pavalamani pragasam]

A matter for shame: increasing impatience, rashness & irresponsibilty in the younger generation. The newspapers carry regular stories of sad incidents which sets one thinking about waht is wrong with our world & its trends.

1. A 20-year old girl in Kolkatta who is attending air-hostess training hanged herself on her 20th birthday because her parents refused to allow her to hold her birthday party in a star hotel.

2. A lover burnt the scooty of his sweetheart, wrote her name all over the street near her house because she spurned his love.

3. A man stabbed a widow repeatedly in the stomach because she repulsed his advances.

While we have little help from home, school, college for encouraging self-restraint in our youth we have plenty of abetment in MEDIA & government with its sale of liquor & corrupt officers who should enforce strict discipline in society. Where shall we look for role models?

[crazy]

kaliyugam :sigh2:

[Shakthiprabha.]

Very sad pp maam.

I supp every era / decade or century has such shameful scars as its history. Why blame it on this generation alone?

[Badri]

Inflation has hit 11.05% in India, I read in today's papers. People are finding it difficult to make ends meet, what with fuel prices and food prices.

This itself is a great shame! When more and more people have to be reduced to a state of having to struggle to live, how does it matter that one foolish girl decides to hang because she couldnt have her birthday party?

What a level of disconnect exists between the reality and what people have in their minds?

This is a crying shame!

[pavalamani pragasam]

Very sad pp maam.

I supp every era / decade or century has such shameful scars as its history. Why blame it on this generation alone?

It is not exactly blaming! An observation with concern of the times we live in! :(

[pavalamani pragasam]

"What a level of disconnect exists between the reality and what people have in their minds?"- Very aptly put!

[pavalamani pragasam]

From today's 'Times of India, Bangalore':

School sex clinics in Britain provide condoms, pills

London: Condoms, pregnancy tests and morning-after pills are being offered in schools to hundreds of of thousands of children, some as young as 11.

Twenty-nine percent of secondary schools in england now have sexual health clinics with one in twenty providing children with prescriptions for a variety of contraceptives - the pill, injections or implants -without their parents being informed, according to research by the Sex Education Forum.

Critics argue that too much information about sex and medical support in school encourages kids to become sexually active.

[sarna_blr]

:clap:

[Shakthiprabha.]

From today's 'Times of India, Bangalore':

School sex clinics in Britain provide condoms, pills

London: Condoms, pregnancy tests and morning-after pills are being offered in schools to hundreds of of thousands of children, some as young as 11.

Twenty-nine percent of secondary schools in england now have sexual health clinics with one in twenty providing children with prescriptions for a variety of contraceptives - the pill, injections or implants -without their parents being informed, according to research by the Sex Education Forum.

Critics argue that too much information about sex and medical support in school encourages kids to become sexually active.


Losing innocence at a very young age is a curse!

[sarna_blr]

paper'la padichchiruppeengalE.... autodriver 12 vayadhu pen kuzhandhayai _______... ippadi neraya kodumaigal are all because of INNOCENCE..... IMHO....

[Shakthiprabha.]

Auto driver case is RAPE. I am sorry to say sarna, so in such cases, the girl knowing how to use pills or condoms is gonna help her??????????

how???????

Here we were talkin about, 'AGREED involvement' with opposite sex at a very young age to AVOID pregnancy and after effects of sexual involvement.

KNOWLEDGE is different. INFORMATION is different.
Practically being prepared is A CURSE.

[Punnaimaran]

paper'la padichchiruppeengalE.... autodriver 12 vayadhu pen kuzhandhayai _______... ippadi neraya kodumaigal are all because of INNOCENCE..... IMHO....

Do you say that the girl should ask the rapist to wait till she take her precautions against pregnancy ???

Sex Education is different from sex Promotion !!!

[Shakthiprabha.]

paper'la padichchiruppeengalE.... autodriver 12 vayadhu pen kuzhandhayai _______... ippadi neraya kodumaigal are all because of INNOCENCE..... IMHO....

Do you say that the girl should ask the rapist to wait till she take her precautions against pregnancy ???

Sex Education is different from sex Promotion !!!

:exactly:

[sarna_blr]

Auto driver case is RAPE. I am sorry to say sarna, so in such cases, the girl knowing how to use pills or condoms is gonna help her??????????

how???????

Here we were talkin about, 'AGREED involvement' with opposite sex at a very young age to AVOID pregnancy and after effects of sexual involvement.

KNOWLEDGE is different. INFORMATION is different.
Practically being prepared is A CURSE.

:notthatway: SP akka... IT IS NOT A RAPE... IT IS AN ADVANTAGE TAKEN BY THE GIRL CHILD's INNOCENT....
idhu thappu, idha paakkaadha , idha pannaadhannu controll panni kozhandhaingala valaththOm'na... sila vishayangala namma kitta solla bayappaduvaanga... manasukkulla poththivaikka try pannuvaanga... 10-12th pasangalOda suicide'ku kaaranam ennanu nenakkureenga... BAYAM... veetla therinjaa thittuvaangalEnu dhaan.... thittu'ndradhu lozhandhaingala poruththavarayil AVAMAANAM...

wn we r friends, they will be very much open in ALL THINGS...

IMHO.... INFORMATION makes one to improve his KNOWLEDGE...

SEX is not a BAD WORD.... and PILLS and CONDOMS are not BAD THINGS...

WHAT is WHAT'nu therinjukkuradhula enna thappu irukku....

Kayya moodi vachchirundhaa dhaan, ulla enna irukkunnu paakkaththOnum.... TRANSPERANCY irundha...phoo, ivlO dhaanaa'nu pOittE iruppaanga...

[P_R]

Yeah SP but we also need to keep in mindthe phenomenon of teen pregnancies in the UK. I've read that UK was the worst in the developed world. These children (I mean the mothers !) are affected for life - they are quite underequipped educationally (and socially) to achieve some degree financial stability to fend for themselves let alone their kids. These pregnancies bring them ruin and all ought to be done to avoid them.

A few years back, there was even a controversial but well defended economic study that linked the unwanted pregnancies to future (one generation lagged) crime-rate.
The merits of preventive measures cannot be understated.

IMO the Government cannot afford to be more innocent than its citizens, its dangerous.

[Shakthiprabha.]

PR,

I fully appreciate the state of a developed country.

But what do u have to say about this


Twenty-nine percent of secondary schools in england now have sexual health clinics with one in twenty providing children with prescriptions for a variety of contraceptives - the pill, injections or implants -without their parents being informed, according to research by the Sex Education Forum.

?

Is that healthy? I am probably too confined to my own country to understand the dangerous plight which others are in.

Even then, a safety measure, without the knowledge of parents themselves!?

[Punnaimaran]

OruththanOda nadavadikkaya vachchE sollalaam, avan edha edhirpaakkuraanu... idha therinjukka andha kozhandhaikku SEX INFORMATION or SEX KNOWLEDGE thEvai ...

Sarna,

Exactly that was what I was trying to say. Sex Education makes the children aware of people's intentions, but availability of contraceptives will encourage them to engage in sex.

[Shakthiprabha.]

Sarna,

Nobody is AGAINST sex education or information here. We are saddened only with the pre-mature USE of precuations.

[sarna_blr]

Sarna,

Nobody is AGAINST sex education or information here. We are saddened only with the pre-mature USE of precuations.

<<< without their parents being informed >>>

SP akka, indha oru reason'ku dhaan naan :clap: panninEn....

views and taking may differ... so let us :arrow:

[Shakthiprabha.]

Well u are neither coming clear with ur views nor understanding others views. So just wanted to stress my point (that I am NOT AGAINST sex education)

Otherwise I am the last person to CONVINCE my view upon anyone else including u. You are most welcome to have ur own inviduvidual opinions plz :)

[sarna_blr]

SP akka, :)

[P_R]

Even then, a safety measure, without the knowledge of parents themselves!?
Agree, this isn't healthy at all. Further widens the teen-parent gap.

I was trying to express my annoyance towards naive stands like advocating abstinence. The Bush Administration is leaning towards this direction. The extreme right opinion about these things is IMO cold to the teenagers with a kind of "its their own making" attitude. This attitude and naivete are dangerous.
You see this kind of attitude in many Indian opinon colum writers/politicians too - not to mention hoary cultural traditions - which is worrisome.

I remember an AIDS awareness campaign advertisement on DD a couple of years back that was shot down by some Women's Rights Organization (!) which alleged that the ad condoned promiscuity by promoting contraceptives. :banghead:

[pavalamani pragasam]

Even then, a safety measure, without the knowledge of parents themselves!?
Agree, this isn't healthy at all. Further widens the teen-parent gap.

I was trying to express my annoyance towards naive stands like advocating abstinence. The Bush Administration is leaning towards this direction. The extreme right opinion about these things is IMO cold to the teenagers with a kind of "its their own making" attitude. This attitude and naivete are dangerous.
You see this kind of attitude in many Indian opinon colum writers/politicians too - not to mention hoary cultural traditions - which is worrisome.

I remember an AIDS awareness campaign advertisement on DD a couple of years back that was shot down by some Women's Rights Organization (!) which alleged that the ad condoned promiscuity by promoting contraceptives. :banghead:

CYNICISM! :cry3: :cry3: :cry3:

[P_R]

:-)
Mrs.PP, I tried to reign it in as much as possible.
It is just that I am so disappointed with the fact that politicians, policy-makers (!), even in developed countries seem to be falling prey to somepet conservative notions, being quite blind to ground realities. Here is an old report (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-11-25-abstinence-funding_x.htm) about the issue.

[pavalamani pragasam]

'ground realities' my foot! All blah blah for hoodwinking bestial level of existence; an atrocious recklessness unleashing uncontrolled, despicable way of living!!! Where do these ground realities come from? Did they drop from the blue? Immoral lifestyle concepts that stealthily entered the society are now loudly claiming licence & authoritative stay!!! Utter shame to be sucked into a nauseating vortex of animalism!!! WHY HAS THE WORD ABSTINENCE BECOME ANATHEMA? I want to know! Besides the 5 senses shared with the beasts are we not endowed/equipped with an exclusive sixth sense making us capable of discrimination, comprehension, discernment, responsibility AND restraint?

[P_R]

When the world, as we see it, changes right before our eyes, such agitation is expected :-)

As many of the questions in your post have the flavour of rhetoric I shall observe the due grammar and let them be. Let me stick only to the issue in question.

The effort on expounding on the virtue of abstinence in a bid to preserve the social fabric is universal. It happens everywhere and will keep happening. But its effectiveness is limited - to say the least. And diverting funds off practical programs towards this is not just a harmless quirk but quite dangerous.

[kannannn]

Schools being prohibited from informing parents is but one aspect of the debate on teen pregnancy in Britain. Experts themselves are divided on what the root causes are and what the solutions should be. One of the reasons put forth is that Britain is relatively conservative when it comes to discussion of matters related to sex. Sex education is mostly confined to biological functions of the body and does not cover psychological aspects. A proposal to make sex education more open and compulsory was shot down by ministers not long ago. As a result, children here are cut off from reality compared to their counterparts in Western Europe.

Another reason put forth is the lack of family values. A recent survey found that children in Nederlands are most likely to be successful and happy in their adult life. The reason cited was strong family values (teen pregnancy in Nederlands is 1/6th that of UK). Some (including the Conservative Party) say that the government should support and encourage family values (not bad as long as they don't target single moms).

And then there is the theory that Britons take their responsibilities lightly, since they haven't lost a war in the last century and didn't have to face the hardships other nations in Europe were subject to :P

[pavalamani pragasam]

When a few years ago the Hindu editorial said a similar thing as PR is trying to convey I wrote back about the inadvisability of doing away with the preaching part in a real crusade against this evil saying it was like putting the cart before the animal. It was published gaining general praise/thanks for me from my friends & relatives- it was available in the net for long, but can't get it now! :(

Ever since man began to live as society, even before Moses, it has been rightly recognised that the flesh is 'weak' & to go its way is detrimental to the health of societal life. Responsible people never stopped or got tired of admonishing unrestrained carnal pleasures. But why do we not hear it now?

The trend is an epidemic to be tackled on a war footing- no second opinion on it. But why divorce the injunction of sterling role of abstinence from the programme???

An utter shame it is to be wallowing in sensuality with no time, interest and energy to acquire knowledge, skills & preparedness for a meaningful, dignified, satisfying future worthy of a HUMAN being.

[app_engine]

http://dinamalar.com/Sambavamnewsdetail.asp?News_id=2752&cls=&ncat=TN

I feel very bad for the child in the picture:-( It's barbaric that she had been allowed to lose eyesight:-(

[pavalamani pragasam]

Sordid state of affairs in a huge country of colossally ignorant, arrogant masses!

[Punnaimaran]

I'm reminded of an event that happened when I was in 3rd std.. Oneday when our class students saw a bee-hive in a low bush near our school ground, we decided to take the honey(?) from it. So as a brave man(in front of girls!!), I offered to go and try. No sooner did I reach the bush than a fellow threw a stone at the hive. I was surrounded by bees stinging all around me and even while I'm trying to run they kept following me. My class teacher who happened to come out of the Staff Room saw this and came running towards me. She covered me with her saree and rushed me into the nearby classroom getting herself stung in the process.
Such were the teachers we had then and I feel proud to have had them and am grateful to them.

But now, this poor girl has lost her sight because of her teacher. What a shame !!

[pavalamani pragasam]

Seriously, reminded of a dialogue in an old comedy parodying veerapaNdia kattabomman story referring to Ettappan,"baadaam alwaavum pasai alwaavum orE idaththilE!"

[app_engine]

This is probably one of the few occasions when everyone condemns the cruel act - please read the readers' comments under the Dinamalar news report. (One even suggests to remove the teacher's eye and transplant to the child!)

As much anguish it brings to all of us to see the child losing eyesight, it's much worse to think that no lesson is learnt from such incidents to remedy the situation. One of the posts by readers (by a doctor) say that similar loss of eyesight to a student happened earlier also. The culprit died and with him the case as well. What about the future of that child? Very sad:-(

[app_engine]

Punnaimaran,
I grew up in a school campus in a hamlet (as both my parents served there as teachers and were provided accommodation) from birth to +2. I have seen that group of spirited teachers serving a bunch of hamlets around, by treating 1000's of children as their own, taking interest even in the welfare of their parents. In addition, 1000's got reformed by staying in the hostel there -from far away places, when their parents "could not handle them". This was again thanks to day-and-night serving of the teachers. 1000's of students received "special classes" (not tution, but free coaching) - often at unusual timings such as 5 AM for SSLC students- by these dedicated teachers.

Ofcourse, the situation is much different even in the same village today.

What to do, when you make teaching a "job-for-money-only" and education a business (where external tution is a must as well) and almost everyone who gets appointed in a govt.school has to get the posting by bribing or caste /political connection and such horrible means, children will no longer be treated as such. Even in aided / private schools, money-caste-religion play a main role in appointments. Very unfortunate:-(

[pavalamani pragasam]

Add this also:
The situation in the missionary institutions also has worsened drifting from the noble service rendered long ago.

[Punnaimaran]

app_engine,
Very true. Teaching is no longer considered a service to society.

[pavalamani pragasam]

The fate of a noble profession! :sigh2:

[padmanabha]

mobile phones are prohibited in schools.
yesterday a 12 std girl was stripped on the basis of hearsay by the chemistry teacher and the girl tried to commit suicide. however the teacher couldnot find the mobile phone.

the school management totally denied what had happened. but students say stripping them is a regular feature.

[Lambretta]

mobile phones are prohibited in schools.
yesterday a 12 std girl was stripped on the basis of hearsay by the chemistry teacher and the girl tried to commit suicide. however the teacher couldnot find the mobile phone.

the school management totally denied what had happened. but students say stripping them is a regular feature.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :x

[pavalamani pragasam]

An utter shame! Noble aims taking a beating at the hands of ignoble/ignorant/arrogant people!

[app_engine]

http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=425561&disdate=7/16/2008

Woman killed by corporation (cleaning) truck because unauthorized person drove the vehicle:-(

There was a similar news sometime back of an accident when conductor (or someone other than the authorized driver) drove a bus, resulting in loss of lives. When will people stop playing with others' lives?

[pavalamani pragasam]

In today's TOI:

A monthly newsletter- Indian Family Times - that has taken up a fight against the anti-dowry law on the internet, has invited contributors to post pictures and profiles of women who have 'misused' the law to lodge false dowry cases against men.

...

The newsletter claims that it will highlight the harrowing tales of victims who have fallen prey to the misuse.
This comes close on the heels of a consultation by WCD ministry on the issue following criticism against the Dowry Act and the Domestic Violence Act.
'This law is being used by unethical and immoral women and their families to harass the husband's family, humiliate them to accept their improper and illegal demands, and extort money,' the newsletter said. The e-zine has a 'hall of shame' that includes a woman's name, address, educational qualifications and her family details warning prospective 'grooms' to keep away.

[app_engine]

http://kumudam.com/magazine/Kumudam/2008-07-30/pg27.php

It's a shame that children are left in the car in the campus of their parent's workplace. If both parents work in an IT company and earn a decent income, what is the difficulty in getting a nanny? Are people so rare to get in TN? What happened to all those grand parents? I have seen 100's of Tamils in US bringing their parents from India to take care of the babies for months. Is it so difficult to get them travel to Chennai to take care during the school vacation? Or what is the problem in sending the children to grandparent's homes (or other relatives' homes) during vacation?

Idiocy at its peak, IMO:-(

[selvakumar]

http://yaathirigan.blogspot.com/2008/07/2_23.html

கொல்கத்தா நாட்கள் - சோனாகாச்சி - 2 (http://yaathirigan.blogspot.com/2008/07/2_23.html)

வெளிச்சம்கூட மூச்சுத்திணறும் அளவுக்கு நெருக்கியடித்துக்கொண்டிருக்கும் கட்டிடங்கள் கொண்ட மெயின் ரோட்டிலிருந்து பிரியும் மற்றுமொரு சிறிய ரோடு அது. ரோடு தான் சிறியதே தவிர அதை பெரும் கூட்டம் அடைத்துக்கொண்டிருக்கின்றது. திருவிழாக்கூட்டத்திற்கு சிறிதும் குறையாத கூட்டம் எங்கும் பாங்களா (Bangala) கூச்சல்கள்.

ரோட்டின் இருபுறமும், ஒவ்வொரு வீடுகளின் முன்னிலும் குறைந்தது 4/5 பெண்கள், முன்னே சொன்ன அடையாளங்களுடன். யாரும் யாரையும் தேவையின்றி தொந்தரவு செய்வதில்லை, ரோட்டின் நடுவே வற்றிப்போக வாய்ப்பிலாத இரவு நேர ஜீவநதி, நாட்டில் ஆண்களாய் உருவகம் செய்யத்தக்க ஒரே நதியென்று நினைக்கிறேன். சாரை சாரையாய் ஆண்கள், குமாஸ்தாக்கள், கூலி வேலை செய்து களைத்தவர்கள், ரிக்க்ஷா இழுத்து வியர்வையில் குளித்தவர்கள் என ஊரின் வறுமைக்கோட்டு ஆண்களிலிருந்து மத்தியதர ஆண்கள் வரை ஒரே இரவில் குவிந்து விட்டார்களோ என்று நினைக்குமளவிற்கு.

எவரும் நிற்பதாய் தெரியவில்லை, நடந்து கொண்டே இருக்கிறார்கள். நடந்து கடப்பதா இவர்களின் நோக்கம் என்று சந்தேகிக்கும் வேளையிலே அவர்களின் வேலையும் நடந்துகொண்டே இருக்கின்றது.

இருபுறமும் நிற்பவர்களை மெல்ல பார்த்த எங்களுக்கு இங்கிருந்து தான் அதிர்ச்சி தொடங்கியது. இதுவரை பாலியல் தொழில் என்று கிளு கிளுப்பான சாதரண பார்வையிலிருந்த எங்களுக்கு,அங்கிருந்த 4/5 பெண்களில் குறைந்தபட்சம் இருவராவது சிறுமிகள் என்பதே முதலில் ஜீரணிக்க முடியவில்லை.

சிறுமிகள் என்ற வார்த்தை சாதரண பயன்பாடை போலேவே தோன்றுகிறது, அதன் முழுமையான அதிர்வை கொடுக்க தவறுகின்றது. 15 வயதை கூட தொடாத குழந்தைகள் போலத்தான் இருந்தார்கள், அவர்களை அரைகுறை ஆடைகளில் பார்க்கவே எங்கள் மேல் எங்களுக்கு அருவருக்கத்துவங்கியது. சாதரணமாய் பார்த்தால் பள்ளி ஆண்டுவிழாவில் மேக்கப் போட்டு மேடையேரத்தயாராய் இருக்கும் குழந்தைகள் போல இருக்கும் அவர்கள், அடுத்த சில வினாடிகளில் அவர்கள் கடக்கப்போகும் நிகழ்வைக்குறித்த பிரக்ங்கை சிறிதும் இன்றி, அருகில் ஒருவரை ஒருவர் சீண்டிக்கொண்டு, தங்களை பார்பவர்களிடம் சைகைகள் காட்டிக்கொண்டு... சத்தியமாய் மிகக்கொடுமையான தருணங்கள் அவை. மீண்டும் கற்பனை செய்து பார்க்கவே வலிக்கின்றது.

இவர்களுடன் நிற்கும் இளவயது பெண்கள், கண்களில் எந்த ஒரு உணர்ச்சியுமின்றி, அங்கு நிற்பது அவர்களுக்கு விதிக்கப்பட்ட கடமை என்பதுபோல நின்றிருக்கிறார்கள். இப்பெண்களில் சிலர் தங்கள் கைக்குழந்தைகளில் இருந்து சிறு குழந்தைகளை கவனித்துக்கொண்டே நிற்கின்றனர்.

அடுத்து பார்த்தது வயதானவர்கள், வாழ்வின் கடைசி 15 வருடங்களில் இருப்பவர்களை போன்று இருப்பவர்கள், அவர்களும் இந்த வரிசையில் நிற்பதை என்னவென்று சொல்லத்தெரியவில்லை, பரிதாபமா இல்லை இவர்களையுமா வதைக்க வேண்டுமா என்று கோபமா தெரியவில்லை.

இவர்களுடன் பல திருநங்கைகளும் உண்டு.

தெரு செல்லச்செல்ல குறுகிக்கொண்டே போனது, கூட்டம் இருபுறமும் நின்று கொண்டிருந்தவர்களை இலவசமாய் உரசிச்சென்று கொண்டிருந்தது. எங்களுக்குள் இருந்த குறுகுறுப்போ போய், அருவருப்பு தொடங்கியது. அந்த வயதும், அதுவரை தெரிந்திருந்த கற்பனை உலகமும், எங்களை எதையோ எதிர்பார்த்து அழைத்து வந்திருந்தது.. ஆனால் அங்கே நடந்ததோ, உண்மையின் கசப்பும், குரூரமும் ஒன்று சேரத்தாக்க கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாய் உடைந்து போய்க்கொண்டிருந்தோம். அங்கு நடந்துகொண்டிருக்கும் எதையும் எங்களால் கனவல்ல நிஜம் என்று ஜீரணிக்க முடியவில்லை.

மேலும் குறுகிய தெருக்களின் இருட்டிலும் எங்கள் கண்களின் மிரட்சியையும் பயத்தையும் எளிதாய் இனங்கண்டு கொண்ட நபர்கள் தரகர்களைப்போல எங்களை இழுத்துக்கொண்டு அப்பெண்களருகே நிறுத்தி விலை பேசத்துவங்கி விட்டனர். உதறிக்கொண்டு விலகும் எங்களை பார்த்ததற்கு காசு என மிரட்டவும் துவங்கிவிட்டனர்.

இன்னும் உள்ளே செல்லச்செல்ல, பார்க்கும் விஷயங்களின் வீரியம் அதிகமாகிப்போனது, அதற்கு மேல் எதையும் கவனிக்கும் மனநிலையில் எவரும் இல்லை. உடனே திரும்பிப்போகத்துவங்கினோம்.

வீட்டிற்கு வந்து சேரும்வரை மௌனத்தை மட்டுமே பரிமாறிக்கொண்டோம், அதற்கும் ஒருவரை ஒருவர் பார்த்துக்கொள்ளக்கூட தயங்கினோம். ஒருவழியாய் வீட்டினில் நுழைந்தும் இரவு முழுவதும் அத்தனை குளிரிலும் மனப்புழுக்கம் தாங்காமலா, இல்லை குற்றஉணர்ச்சியா, அருருவருப்பா என புரியவில்லை, மயான அமைதியாய் நிசப்தத்துடன் அன்றிரவு மட்டுமல்ல அடுத்த 4/5 நாட்கள் கழிந்தன.

இந்த நிகழ்வுகளை அன்றைய நாட்குறிப்பில் குறிக்கையில் பல எண்ணங்கள். இங்கே எனக்கு வந்திருப்பதென்ன உணர்ச்சி ?

அழகான பெண்களை எதிர்பார்த்துச்சென்று அவலட்ச்சணமாணவர்களை பார்த்த அருவெறுப்பா ? இல்லை அந்த குழந்தைகளை பார்த்து, இவர்களை பயன்படுத்தும் இடத்துக்கு சென்று விட்டோமே என்று வருத்தமா/குற்றஉணர்ச்சியா ?, இல்லை திருநங்கைகளையும் வயதானவர்களையும் கூட பயன்படுத்திக்கொள்ள நினைப்பவர்களும் உண்டா என்ற அதிர்ச்சியா ? ஒன்றும் உடனடியாய் புரியவில்லை.

உண்மையை வெட்க்கமில்லாமல் ஒப்புக்கொள்வதானால், அருவருப்பில்தான் தொடங்கியது சிந்தனை. தவறுதான், இந்த சிந்தனையில் இருப்பவனுக்கும், அங்கு தெருக்களில் தன் வேட்க்கையை தனித்துவிட திரிபவனுக்கும் பெரிய வித்தியாசமில்லைதான், ஆனால் அப்படித்தான் தொடங்கியது. பின் அந்த குழந்தைகளை நினைக்கையில், எப்படி இவர்களால் முடிகின்றது, குழந்தைகள் என்ற எண்ணம் வரவே வராதா, இங்கிருந்து திரும்பி வீட்டுக்குத்திரும்புகையில் குற்ற உணர்ச்சியின் ஒரு துளிகூட இருக்காதா என தோன்றியது. இதில் வறுமைக்கோட்டுக்கு கிழே உள்ளவர் மட்டும் என்றில்லை என்று Park Street-இல் இரவு 10 மணிக்கு மேல் சென்றால் தெரிந்தது.

அந்த நேரத்தில்,ஆண்டாள் ப்ரியதர்ஷினியின் "மன்மத எந்திரம்" என்ற கவிதைத்தொகுப்பு படிக்க வாய்ப்பமைந்தது. மனதில் தோன்றியிருந்த முடிவில்லாக்கேள்விகளுக்கு புதியதாய் ஒரு கோணம் அமைந்தது. தோன்றிய கேள்விகள் அனைத்தையும் இப்பொழுது அந்த பாலியல் பெண்களின் பார்வையில் யோசிக்க இன்னும் கொடுமையை இருந்தது. புத்தகத்தின் தலைப்பே அதன் கதை சொல்லியது.

அங்கிருக்கும் எவர்க்கும் அதில் ஈடுபாடு இருக்கப்போவதில்லை, ஆனால் அதையும் ஒரு தொழிலாக கருதிக்கொண்டு வாழும் மனநிலைக்கு தள்ளப்பட்டுவிடுகின்றனர். இவர்கள் இல்லையேல் மற்ற பெண்கள் தைரியமாய் நடமாட முடியாது என்று சொல்பவர்களுக்கு, இவர்களை பலிகடாக்களாக்க யாருக்கு யார் அதிகாரம் தந்தது.

10 ரூபாயிலிருந்து இங்கு உங்களுக்கு தேவையானது கிடைக்குமென சொல்லும் தரகர்களின் உறுதியான குரலில் தெரிந்தது என்ன ? எப்படியாயினும் எனக்குத்தேவை சிறிது நேரத்துக்கு ஒரு உடல் என்று வெறி கொண்டு அலையும் ஆண்களின் மேல் உள்ள நம்பிக்கையா ?

எங்களால் என்ன செய்துவிட முடியும் என்ற மனநிலைக்கு வந்துவிட்ட அங்கு நடமாடும் காவல்துறை. இவர்களை மீட்டெடுப்பது என்பது நடக்கக்கூடிய விஷயமில்லை, அதைத்தவிர உருப்படியாய் இவர்களுக்கு பாலியல் நோய்களைப்பற்றிய விழிப்புணர்வு கொண்டுவரத்துடிக்கும் சமூக அமைப்புகள். என அத்தனை பேரும் இவர்களைச்சுற்றி இயங்கிக்கொண்டிருக்கின்றார்கள்.

இவர்களுடன், இத்தகைய இடமொன்று தங்களிடையே உண்டென்பதை தங்கள் கொல்கத்தா வாழ்வின் மற்றுமொரு அங்கமாக எடுத்துக்கொண்டு அருவருக்காமல்/தயங்காமல், தனக்கும் அந்த இடத்திற்கும் சம்பந்தமில்லாததைபோல நாங்கள் கேட்ட கேள்விக்கு பதில் சொன்ன பெங்காலி நண்பர்கள்தான் சராசரியான ஒரு நடுத்தரவர்க்க பெங்காலி.

இதற்குப்பின் சோவாபஜாரை கடக்கும்பொழுதெல்லாம் எங்களையுமறியாமல் ஒரு குற்ற உணர்வில் எங்கள் மனம் கணக்கத்துவங்கியது மட்டுமின்றி இத்தகைய விஷயங்களில் எங்களின் பார்வை மாறியது.

பி.கு:
2 வருடங்களுக்கு பிறகு ஒரு விடுமுறையில் துர்கா பூஜை காண சென்றிருந்தபோது, துர்க்கா சிலை வடிக்கும் சிற்பிகள் முதல் சிலையை இப்பெண்களின் காலடி மண்கொண்டு செய்வது தெய்வீகம் என்ற நம்பிக்கை இன்னும் பயன்பாட்டில் உள்ளது என்று கண்டு என்ன சொல்வதென்றே தெரியவில்லை. துர்கா பூஜையின் 3 முக்கிய நாட்களில் கொல்கத்தா நகரெங்கும் விழாக்கால பக்தி மயமாக, அன்றும் சோனாகாச்சியில் கூட்டத்துக்கு குறைவில்லை, பலத்த போலிஸ் காவலும் அங்கிருந்த கூட்டத்தை ஒழுங்குபடுத்திக்கொண்டிருப்பதை கண்டதும் என்ன மதம், என்ன நம்பிக்கை, என்ன சமூகம் என்று கோபங்கள் அதிகமாகிப்போனது.

[pavalamani pragasam]

:cry2:

[Miami]

Here is another shame!!

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/213215.html

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2363831&navname=General%20&moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/newindianexpress/general/newindianexpress.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com

and countless others like these in Bihar. A 10 year old's fingers were chopped off by rich landlords in Bihar a few months ago, because she stole spinach from their garden. Does the punishment even remotely fit the crime of stealing spinach?? If that landlord's arms and legs were chopped and left him to die, then I would call that as a punishment fitting the crime.

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http://dailythanthi.com/article.asp?NewsID=430095&disdate=8/5/2008

What a shame!

Knee-jerk reaction by authorities to unimaginable things happening in prison!

This report even says that a rowdy-prisoner got transferred to hospital on health grounds, went out during nights from the hospital to carry-out rowdyism with "police protection". On top of it, he won't be punished for such acts as he has an alibi (of being in "prison" already).

paNam bAthALam varai sellum:-(

[app_engine]

And by tranferring 20 of such "black sheep" into various prisons within the state, the authorities have inadvertently contributed to possible "technology transfer" to everywhere.

Why did they dismiss just one fellow?

IMO, all should get terminated plus should also be locked up in a military prison in a northern state for many years, as a lesson to any other person entertaining such thoughts in the future!

muthugelumbu vaLaindha govt. work force is the cause for a lot of ills in TN society!

[app_engine]

It would straighten up the police force a little bit if anyone found guilty is terminated plus locked up in a military prison (and not transferred to 'thaNNi illAdha kAdu'). At the current level of moral standards, only fear can work to some extent it appears.

I don't think even the person who got dismissed cares about it as he would have already made millions plus necessary connections to become a politician later on:-(

[pavalamani pragasam]

From today's TOI, Bangalore:

Co-ed leads to babies on campus?

Delhi college Administrator's remark triggers protests

New Delhi: If college students of both sexes are made to share a hostel, all they would then do is to make babies. That was the purport of St.Stephen's pro-tem administrator M S Frank's statement during an interview to college fortnightly magazine, Soul, when he said that if a co-educational hostel was constructed in the college, a maternity ward would be required to be set up- a statement that drew angry reactions from students and teachers within and outside the college, sending the acting principal into defensive mode.


I want to ask just one question to be the protesting innocent babes: why was a condom-vending machine had to be installed inside the university campus?

[Lambretta]

From today's TOI, Bangalore:

Co-ed leads to babies on campus?

Delhi college Administrator's remark triggers protests

New Delhi: If college students of both sexes are made to share a hostel, all they would then do is to make babies. That was the purport of St.Stephen's pro-tem administrator M S Frank's statement during an interview to college fortnightly magazine, Soul, when he said that if a co-educational hostel was constructed in the college, a maternity ward would be required to be set up- a statement that drew angry reactions from students and teachers within and outside the college, sending the acting principal into defensive mode.


I want to ask just one question to be the protesting innocent babes: why was a condom-vending machine had to be installed inside the university campus?
:exactly: :lol:

Well maybe not maternity ward, but an abortion clinic would be required for sure! :roll: :x :oops:

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http://www.kumudam.com/magazine/Reporter/2008-08-31/pg11.php

கொடுமை:-(

[crajkumar_be]

[tscii:6fc35146d6]http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/07/stories/2008090750160100.htm


MANGALORE: Self-appointed vigilante groups are cracking down on those “violating the moral code” in Dakshina Kannada district. Records with the district police that The Hindu had access to show that since the third week of July there have been 10 instances of these groups punishing individuals whom they perceived as having violated the moral code.

Hindutva organisations such as the Bajrang Dal, a Christian organisation Social Action Committee, as well as certain individuals who were formerly with the Karnataka Forum for Dignity (KFD), have been involved in these incidents.

In most of the incidents the groups have targeted young men and women from different communities who were interacting with each other. In one case, a young woman was attacked because she went to the house of a young woman from a different community.

The Bajrang Dal has claimed responsibility for seven of these incidents. , The district head of the organisation, Sudarshan Moodabidri, claimed that the outfit had “solved” over 200 cases in the last two months where Hindus were “caught” committing the “immoral” act of interacting with members of other communities.

Mr. Moodabidri said, “Sometimes it becomes necessary to use force. Fear of such action should deter such misadventures. Girls reform themselves once they are thrashed and humiliated in public, but boys are tougher to control.”

The Social Action Committee carried out a “joint operation” with Bajrang Dal activists in the city in one instance. “We will carry out more such strikes,” its president Deepak D’Mello told The Hindu.

Former activists of the KFD have been linked to two such cases. The organisation’s president Abdul Aziz said that the acts were committed by delinquent members and distanced KFD from the issue. He confirmed that the organisation was against inter-community relationships but was averse to using force.

The latest incident occurred on September 2 at Vittla in Bantwal taluk where activists of the Bajrang Dal assaulted a couple, Roopashree and Vikhar Ahmed, and paraded them in public. The same afternoon, over 60 km away in Puttur taluk, Bajrang Dal activists stormed the house of Ayesha as her friend Divya was visiting her.

On September 1, Sugandhi and her three friends, Raghav, Anil and Rasheed, were assaulted by Bajrang Dal activists when they were at a hotel in the heart of Mangalore city. On August 24, Deepa and her fiancé Abdul Waheed were dragged out of a bus at a junction in the city and assaulted by Bajrang Dal activists.

On the afternoon of August 23, Bajrang Dal activists assaulted and abused classmates Julia, Robert, Waheed, Abdul and Sunil because they were found laughing and talking loudly in a public place.

On August 22, activists of the Bajrang Dal and the Social Action Committee carried out the “joint operation” against Mohammed and his classmate Catherine. On August 18, activists claiming to be from the KFD assaulted Dinesh and his friend Afshan at a remote village 25 km from the city. They were assaulted because Dinesh had brought medicines for Afshan who was suffering from malaria.

On August 8, activists of the Bajrang Dal assaulted Syed, Zulfikar and Ameen with soda bottles and hooks in a bus in the heart of the city because they had carried school bags belonging to a group of Hindu girls.

On July 27, activists claiming to be from the KFD attacked Govind, an autorickshaw driver at a village over 25 km from Mangalore because he often ferried his neighbours Uzma and Shaheen in his auto. On July 16, Rehman was heard talking and laughing loudly at a public place with his two friends Uma and Bhavya. They were assaulted and abused by Bajrang Dal activists.

Superintendent of Police N. Sateesh Kumar said, “This is a social issue. Resistance to such divisive forces should come from within the community. In cases where there have been assaults we have taken the necessary action.”

(Names of the victims have been changed to protect their identity)[/tscii:6fc35146d6]