Sudarsanam the MD

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Topic started by RV (rv_subbu@hotmail.com) (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on Tue Jan 20 15:36:18 EST 1998.

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Sudarsanam is one of those MDs who has turned in several good numbers but doesnt hv much recognition. AVMin aasthana MD pol therigiradhu.

This is triggered by a couple of movies I saw recently - Penn and Sagodhari.

If there is another thread in the archives, I apologize for starting this. It is getting difficult to follow the archives. Could they be indexed ?

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PPP Pakkam has a list of movies and songs.

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RV:

You are right, Sudarsan missed the required recognition.
Last month I saw, Anbuk karangaL with nice songs:
(all songs by vAli)

- azagenna aRivenna manamenna kuNamenna
kObam varalAma
- oNNA irukka kathukkanum intha uNmaiyach
sonnA othukkaNum
- iravu mudinthuvidum mudinthAl pozuthum
vidinthu vidum (beautiful song by PBS, SJ)
- kAgithathil kappal seithu kadal naduvE
OdavittEn

And another movie: nAnum oru peN (from AVM)

- EmARach sonnathu nAnA en meethu kObam EnO
- kaNNA karumai niRak kaNNA unnaik kAnAtha

Another AVM movie "theivap piRavi":
- anbAlE thEdiya en aRivuch selvam thangam

Also Sudarsan is the MD for the silapathikAra movie
(chE! njAbagam varalai ippa)
- ponnAL ithu pOlE varumA inimElE
- one great KBS song (meendum chE!)

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Silappadhikaaram padam: poompuhaar. It has
two more good songs: ennai mudhan mudhalaaga paarththa pOdhu; kaaviri peNNE vaazhga (this is
the song which causes kOvalan to leave Madhavi).
Andha KBS paattu: vaazhkkaiyenum Odam? (I'm not sure.)

Two more movies by RD:

Annai -- azhagiya midhilai nagarinilE,
poovaagi kaayaagi kanindha maram ondru, sirippu
varudhu, O bak bak bak bakkum bakkum maadap puRaa

Karthikai Dheepam -- eNNap paRavai siRagadiththu,
malai saayndhu pOnaal

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Kalathoor kannama:

kangalin varthaigal puriyadho
ammavum neeye
arugil vandhaal
aadadha manamum aadudhe

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Movie: Penn

1. Akhila Bharatha Pengal

2. Sonna Sollai Marandhidalama - Superb piece

3. Ullasamagave Ulagatthai Aalave - brilliant work by Chandrababu

4. Bharatha Naattukinai Bharatha Naade

5. There is a very funny song picturieed on Sarangapani - A katha Kalatchebam - but I cant remember the words.


Sagodhari:
1. Naan Oru Muttalunga - Chandrababu oru asatthu asatthi irukkar.


Did Sudarsanam also do the music for Naam Iruvar, Vaazhkkai, Vedhala Ulagam, Chandralekha ?

Manisekaran, Sathya Keerthi madiri yaravadhu sollungalen.

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I think Sudharsanam was the MD for parasakthi too. Good songs like Oh rasikkum seemanE.. kaa-kaa-kaa-.. poomaalai puzhuthi maN mElE.. etc are from Parasakthi.

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1940 kaLil G.Ramanathan, S.V. Venkatraman pOnROrudan R.Sudarsanam oru mukkiya isai amaippaaLar. SVV, GR aakiyOr M.K.T, P.U.Chinappaa padangaLukku isai amaiththanar. Sudarsanam AVM min padangaLukku aasthaana MD. A.V.Meyyappa chettiar baarathiyaarin paadalkaLai paNam koduththu vaangi than padangaLil idam peRa seythaar. (pinnar Thamizaga arasukku Barathiyaarin paadalkaLaik koduththu naattudamaiyaakkinaar.) Sudarsanam 40 kaLilEyE mellisaiyai than paadalkaLil aRimukap paduththiyavar.

This list may not be complete. I was making this list for the next update of our website PPP.

1945

Srivalli

kaRpaga sOlaiyilE murukaa - T.R.Mahalingam & co
and many more songs.

1947

Naam iruvar

viduthalai viduthalai - T.R.Mahalingam

aaduvOmE paLLu paaduvOmE - D.K.Pattammal (50 varudangaL mun thamizakamengum oliththa paadal)

veRRi ettu thikkum etta kottu murasE - D.K.Pattammal (Kumari Kamalavin nadanam mikavum pirabalamaanathu)

sOlai malar oLiyO - T.R.Mahalingam

mahaan Gandhi mahaan - M.S.Rajeswari

vaaziya senthamizh vaazka naRRamizar - T.S.Bagavathi, Devanarayanan & co

1948

Vedaala ulagam

theeraatha viLaiyaattu piLLai - D.K.Pattammal

Odi viLaiyaadu paappaa - T.R.Mahalingam, M.S.Rajeswari

senthamizh naadenum pOthinilE - T.R.Mahalingam

1949

Vaazkkai

baaratha samuthaayam vaazkavE - D.K.Pattammal

1951

Or iravu (Annaduraiyin kathai vasanam)

thunbam nErgaiyil yaazeduththu nee inbam sErkka maattaayaa - M.S.Rajeswari, V.J.Varma

kottu murasE kottu murasE - K.R.Ramasamy, M.S.Rajeswari & co

more songs

1952

Parasakthi

Lyrics Barathiyar, Barathidasan, Mu.Karunanidhi, U.Narayanakavi, K.P.Kamakshi

konju mozhi sollum kiLiyE sezhum kOmaLa thaamaraiyE - T.S.Bagavathi

poruLE illaarkku thollaiyaa puthu vaazvE illaiyaa - T.S.Bagavathi

O...rasikkum seemaanE vaa - M.S.Rajeswari

ellOrum vaazha vENdum - T.S.Bagavathi, M.L.Vasanthakumari

kaa kaa kaa aakaaram uNNa ellOrum onRaaga - C.S.Jayaraman

poomaalai neeyE puzhuthi maN mElE - T.S.Bagavathi

dEsam gnanam kalvi Isan poojai ellaam - C.S.Jayaraman

vaazka vaazka vaazkavE vaLamaay emathu dravida naadu - MLV

ilvaazvinilE oLi ERRum deepam en idhaya raaNi roopam - Husain, T.S.Bagavathi

puthup peNNin manasai thottu pORavarE - M.S.Rajeswari

nenju poRukkuthillaiyE - C.S.Jayaraman

1954

PeN

sonna sollai maRanthidalaamaa vaa vaa vaa - M.S.Rajeswari

akila baaratha peNgaL thilakamaay avaniyil vaazvEn naanE - M.S.Rajeswari

maathar thammai izhivu seyyum madamaiyai koLuththuvOm - T.A.Mothi

baaratha naattukkini baaratha naadE - M.S.Rajeswari

kalyaaNam..... ullaasamaakavE ulakaththil vaazavE - Chandrababu

ettaatha kiLaiyil kittaatha kani pOl iruppathum sarithaanO - M.S.Rajeswari

1956

Kula deyvam

thaayE yasothaa unthan aayar kulath thuthiththa - MLV

and more songs...

1959

Sakodhari (very famous CB comedy in those days)

kaN paadum pon vaNNamE kaathal muththaaramE - A.M.Raja, P.Susila

naan oru muttaaLunga - Chandrababu

1960

Deyvap piravi

kattadaththukku manai poruththam avasiyam - S.C.Krishnan, L.R.Eswari & co

kaaLai vayasu kattaana saisu kaLangamillaa manasu -Jamunarani

ivar kaanaa avar paanaa - Jamunarani

thaaraa thaaraa vanthaaraa - Jamunarani

vayasup poNNai maRanthidalaamaa maamaavE - TMS, S.Rajalakshmi & co

anbaalE thEdiya en aRivu selvam thangam - C.S.Jayaraman, Janaki

thannai thaanE nambaathathu santhEgam - C.S.Jayaraman

kuchElar kathaa kaalEtchEbam - K.A.Thangavelu party, S.Govindarajan.

Kalaththoor kannamma

aadaatha manamum aaduthE - A.M.Raja, Susila

arukil vanthaaL uruki ninRaaL - A.M.Raja

ammaavum neeyE appaavum neeyE - M.S.Rajeswari & co

kaNgaLin vaarththaikaL puriyaathO - A.M.Raja, Susila

buththimaan balavaan - kuzanthaikaL naadakam TMS, S.C.Krishnan, M.S.Rajeswari & co

Thilagam

b...o..y..boy boynnaa paiyan - S.C.Krishnan, S.Rajalakshmi

aadi varum poonkodi azakinilE - Susila

1962

Annai

O..bak bak bakkum bakkum maadappuRaa - Susila

azakiya mithilai nagarinilE - PBS,Susila

annai enbavaL neethaanaa - Banumathi

poovaaki kaayaaki kanintha maram onRu - Banumathi

lailaa majnu drama - TMS, A.L.Ragavan, L.R.Eswari

1963

Naanum oru peN

EmaaRa sonnathu naanO - Susila

EmaaRa sonnathu naanO - TMS

kaNNukkuL sikki koNda peNNin pErai sollavaa - TMS

kannaa karumai niRa kannaa - Susila

pUp pOla pUp pOla piRakkum - TMS, Susila

1964

Poompukar

ponnaaL ithu pOlE varumaa inimElE - TMS, Janaki

thamiz engaL uyiraanathu - Susila

ennai muthan muthalaaka paarththa pOthu - TMS, Susila

thavam purinthE naanirukka - Susila

thottavudan malar onRu malarnthu vittathangE - KBS

pottirunthum pUvirunthum punnagai illai - Susila

kaaviri peNNE vaazka - TMS, Susila

thappiththu vanthaanamaa - KBS

vaazkkai ennum Odam vazangukinRa paadam - KBS

thunbam ellaam nam manathai suththam seyyaththaan - KBS

neethiyE nee innum irukkinRaayaa - KBS

1965

Anbuk karangal

oNNa irukka kaththukkaNum - TMS

azakenna aRivenna - Susila

iravu mudinthu vidum - PBS, Susila

raamanukkE seethai enRu - Susila

kaakithaththil kappal seythu - TMS

Kaarththikai deepam

eNNap paRavai siRakadiththu - TMS

eNNap paRavai siRagadiththu - Susila

paarkkaatha ulakam pazakaatha ithayam - TMS, L.R.Eswari

kaiyum kaiyum mOthinaal thaaLam varum - M.S.Rajeswari, L.R.Eswari & co

thangath thEril vanthirukum maalai annamE - LRE

ungu ungu uNNadaa selvamE - LRE

malai saaynthu pOnaal silaiyaakalaam - TMS

1966
Manimagudam (SSR thayaariththa padam)
paadalkaL ethuvum pirabalamaakavillai.

aathavan uthiththaan malai mElE - TMS,Susila

naan vantha paathai maan vanthathu - TMS

OhO paar intha pakkam - Susila

valiyOr silar eLiyOr thamai aaLvathaa - TMS

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RV:

Chandraleka Jemini padam. MD : Rajesvara rao

the songs I remember now

aililO oakadiyaamaa - NSK, Mathuram

naattiya kuthirai naattiya kuthirai naalaayiram pon vaangaliyO - Sundaribai

M.K.Rada, T.R.Rajakumari duet

one group song NSK and others

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R.Sudarsanam is a great composer of those days. When Meyappa Chettiar laid foundation for the inauguration of AVM, he booked Sudarsanam as the asthana isai amaippalar. The AVM-Sudarsanam pairing went on till Naanum Oru Pen. You could see AVM usind other MDs after that, example Mellisai Mannargal in Server Sundram and MSV in Anbe Vaa. R.Sudarsanam is the only MD affectionately called "MASTER" by his contempoaraies. TKRamamurthy had worked under R.Sudarsanam for films like Vayadi Poli Panjali and En Manaivi.Sathya and RV have taken me down the memory lane of the greatest golden era by listing some of the immortal films and songs. Allow me to list out some of the other films and by Sudarsanam not touched by the respondents.


POOMALAI
1.Penne un kathi ithuthana
2.Un Ennathai Enthan Kannathil Vanthu Ezhuthividu,
3.Kannam kannam kannam Santhana Kinnam

VALIBA VIRUNTHU
1.Valiba Virunthu -TMS7Chandababu
2.Avan Kathalithan-LRE
3.Onraikkandoria-Chandrababu
VEDALA ULAKAM
1.Odi Vilayadu Pappa-TS BAgavathy&MSR
2.Thoondil Puluvinaipol-DKpattammal

ORE IRAVU
1.Akkam Pakkam Yarumillai Mikkasai Kondoruvan
2.Vasantha Mullaiyum mallikaiyum.-M.S.R

VELAIKKARAN
1.Nane Rani-S.Varalatchumy
2.Enathu Ullam-TRMahalingam

SELLAPILLAI
1.Madana Elil Raja Nee Vaaa Jikki & KRR
2.Nadu Nadakkira Naddayile-TMS&MSR
3.Kaniyum Suvaiyum-KRR
4.Inbame Neethan Enrum Illara Inba Raniye
5. Kulla Podanum -TMS
6.Kalaiyulagil Vanthidum-TMS&Jikki
7. Thannale Varum Kasu-P.Suseela
8. Aratha Thuyaram-TS Bagavathy
9. Anatham Inge Irukku-TMS Devanarayanan
10. Maidi Ethada-KRR
11. Kelamma Kelatha Vellathil-TMS
12.Boardu Thongumidamellam-TMS

NAGATHEVADAI(With his brother R.Govarthanam)
1.Prabo Nagatheva=P.Suseela
2.Prabo En Ithayam-P.Suseela
3. Isai Padi Sulandru-"
4.Namo-Namo Nadaraja-TSbagavathy&co
5.Sathasiva Nadaraja-MLV
6.paramesanin Sirameviya-MLV

BAKTHA RAVANNA
1.Iraiva Iraiva-CSJ
2.Chandrasegara-CSJ
3. Intha Udal-AP Komala
4.Palya Iruthaya-P.Suseela

MAMIYAR MECHIYA MARUMAKAL
1.Pathu Viral Mothiram(Inge Iruppatha)-MLV
2.Mogana Ranga Ennai Parada-S.Govindarajan &MLV
3.Yogiyan Enbavan-TMS
4.Mazhaiyum Peyithu Manjal Veyilum Kayithu-TMS
5.Maithunare Inimele-MLV&AP.Komala
6. Panam Panam -TMS
7. Oru Pathu Matham-TMS-SCK

SAGODARI-Please include
1.Uravu Thanthai Kannale-R.Balasaraswathy
2.Malarum Malarum Nallarame-""

NAGANANTHINI
1.Kavikkuyil Neethana-P.B.S & K.Jamunarani
2.Kadal Illathu Anantham ethu-AM Raja&K.Jamunarani
3.Valluvan Vetham Maravathey-SoolRaj&Jeyalechumees
4.Singame Singame-""

THILAKAM Please include:
1.Santhegam Ennum Oru Sarakku-SCK& Rajalechumy
2.KAthiruntha Kannukku Oli Vanthathu-MLV
3. Manasukkulle-MLV
4.Mariyamma-Seer'Govindarajan, Sool Raj. SCK &LRE
5. Ezhaikkum Valvukkum-MLV,Seer.Govindarajan,TSB

MANIMAGUDAM

KULADEIVAM-please include
1.Kottu Potta Chinna Machane-P.Suseela
2.Vetkamillai(Korikkaiyatru Kidakkuthanne)-C.S.J
3.Varayo Ennai Parayo-MLV
4.Anum Pennum Vazvile-MLV
5.Pattam Vittaraiya-P.Suseela
6.Kathal Kathal Kathal-TMS

PENN-please include:
1.Pollathanathai Enna Solven Kanna-AP Komala
2.Mathar thammai Adimai Seiyum-T.A.Moti
3.Andavan Agasamathil Thoonguginrare-CSJ
4.Kathalinba Valvile-TS Bagavathy
5.Jathi Betham-V.Nagayah
6.Pennai Nambathey-kalatchebam-T.A.Moti

NAANUM ORU PENN

ANNAI-Please include:
1.Buthiyulla Manitharellam-Chandrababu

DEIVAPIRAVI

KALATHOOR KANNAMMA-Please include
1.Malaril Mathu Etharku-Jikki
2.Sirithalum Aluthalum Nilai Onnuthan--CSJ

ANBU KARANGAL

POOMBUKAR

PARASAKTHY

NAAM IRUVAR-too many, but don't leave out:-
1.Karunamurthy-M.S.R
2. Nigar Vazhvinile Anandam-TRM&T.S.Bagavathy.

VAZHKAI
1.Enni Enni Parka Manam-MSR
2.Un Kan Unnai Ematrinal-TR Ramachandran
3.Un Kan Unnai Ematrinal-MS Rajeswary
4.Nandagopallanodu Nan Aduvene-MLV
5.Asai Kiliye-P.A.Periyanayagi.

ENNATHAN MUDIVU
1.Kalaithanil-Seergali Govindarajan

Sathya, Katpaga cholayile is by T R Mahalingam in another Srivalli acted by Sivaji Ganesan in which the MD is G.Ramanathan. Its a colour film. Sirippu Varuthu by Chandrababu is in Andavan Kattalai not in Annai.Odi Vilayadu Pappa in Vedala Ulagam is by TSBagavathy(Not TR Mahalingam) and MS Rajeswary.
Regards.
Manisegaran

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Manisegaran, Neenga oru pazhaiya paattuk kalanjiyamnga!

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Manisegaran

Thanks for the details. (Govarthanam, "master"-Oda thambiyaa!) Also, I am not sure if avan piththanaa (Mu.Ka padam, SSR-VjK) was by Sudharsanam (or TKR?) Can anyone clarify? There is this good song iRaivan irukkinRaanaa..manithan kEtkiRaan in that film.

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Mani:
Great Listing. oru kELvi.
Is it not "vAliba virundhu" by SMS ??
I remember seeing SMS as MD for that movie's
pAttu pusthagam.

Govarthan, Sudhrasan's brother is a real news!!

same initial R.
rhyming names "nam"

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Pagalavan:
"Avan piththana" padam MD Sudarsanamaaka irukkum enRu naanum romba naaLaaka ninaiththEn. The audio caseettil R.Parthasarathy enRu irukku.

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Sathya, you are right about Avan Pithana. The MD is S.Parthasarathy. The songs are:-
1.Mapillai Manasukku-P.Suseela
2.Andavan Padaippil-LRE
3.Ayiram Mutham Tharuven tharuven-P Suseela
4.Kilakku Veluthathadi-TMS&PSuseela
5.Iraivan Irulkirana-TMS and P.Suseela

VALIBA VIRUNTHU is also by Sudarsanam Master.
Please include the following in Manamakal Thevai
1.Manamakal Thevai-TMS
2.Engey Engey En Kannukku Virunthengey-TMS&P.Siseela
I must admit that there is so much confusion on several aspects of the Cine News. This is because the original key players in the cine field are no more alive to testify many obscure areas. Even the so-called authorities do make mistakes and retract later. The song books are in many cases not too reliable. Again in the case of the MDs, there is more confusion. If you look at the record it will bear name of one MD and the song book will contain another.
Music for Villambu Patta Pun in Manamagal is composed and sung by CS Jayaraman, while the rest of the songs are by CR Subbaraman. Thiruparam Kundrathil Nee Sirithal in Kanthan Karunai is by Kunnakudi Vaithianathan, whereas the rest of songs are from KVM mama. Kannil Theriyum Kathaigal has 5 composers, which we know as it is closer to our own period. Genoa has 3 MDs -MSV, Kalyanam and GNanamani.Moonru Penkal has 3 compoers-KVM,Asvathama and Kunnakudi Vaithianathan.Manoratham is by G.Ramanathan and CN Pandurangan.Puthu Valvu of MKT has 2 composers-G Ramanathan and CN Pandurangan.Rathnakumar of PU Chinnappa has 2 composers-G Ramanathan and CR Subbaraman.Pattaliyin Vetri has 2 composers-Master Venu and S.Rajeswara Rao. Nalu Veli Nilam has 2 composers-KVM and Athmanathan. Nadodi Mannan has SMS Naidu as the main MD but some songs are by other MDs-so say the credits in the film. The song Kongu Natu Sengarumbe Thangachilaye and Vanameethil Neenthi Odum Vennilave has been sung by both Tiruchy Loganathan and Seergali Govindarajan for Gomathiyin Kathal and there are 2 separate records(MD is GRamanathan)But look ath the song book-different editions give tdifferent details to the singers.(The back ground to this switch is very intersting as rlated to me by Seergaliar when he visited me in my house in Malaysia) Some songs may not be in the film, but will be in song book. Maharajan Ulagai Aalalam in KARNAN, Neeradum Kankal Ingey in VENNIRA AADAI and Thenral Varum Sethi Varum in PALA PAZHAMA are only examples.But they are in the song books.Confusion after confusion both in gathering and in verifying the information. So it depends what you get hold of-credits in film, song book or records. Sadly it is the story of 3 blind men touching different parts of the elephant and coming out strongly and insisting on their own findings. This is the reason that we cant have "Kalanjiyam" in Cine News. Can I now include one more song that I missed last night please? It is Ulagame Ethirthalum in Poomalai by C.S.Jayaraman

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Please include the following songs in VALIBA VIRUNDTHU(not MANAMAGAL THEVAI)
1. Manamagal Thevai Nalla Manamagal Thevai-TMS
2. Engey ENgey ENgey EN Kannukku Virunthengey_TMS&P.Suseela

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The 3 MDs in Moonru Penkal are KVM, Asvathama and KUNNAKUDI VENGATRAMAN. You see within seconds I am aslo retracting and verifying that there is so much confusion. Pathi Vizhigal moodi Kidanthen Paadal Bothayile athanal Kunnakudi Vengatraman had been typed as Vaithiyanathan. Sorry brothers.

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pazhaya pAttu kaLanjiyam maNisekaran avargale, neengal vaazhga ! Asvathama, GNanamaNi pondRa isai amaippaLargaLai nAn kElvipattadhu kooda kidaiyadhu !

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I just read Pagalavan mentioning 'Oh rasikkum seemanE' from parAsakthi. What a song ! A perfect song. Not a note out of place. I always get this 'perfect song' feeling when I listen to another song : pAttu pAdava pArthu pEsa vA (AMR).
Both have perfect arrangements, great melodies all the gaps are filled in perfectly; pull one note out and the whole thing will collapse !

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maNisEkaran :
Do you know any details of this old song :

jalakku jalakku jalakku jalakku thaNdaiyadhan nAdham
vArAi maNap peNNE
vaLaiyum idai minnE ...

I am not sure but the movie name might be 'Avan'.

This is a very fast song faster than many songs even today.

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That song is originally in R.K Films AAH.The film acted by Raj Kapoor and Nargis became such a hit that it was dubbed into Tamil. Music is Shankar Jaikishen.The Tamil Dialogue of the film was written by SD Sundram.Playback in Tamil are G. Krisnhnaveni (JIKKI) and Amula Mathvaraj Raja(A.M. Raja).The songs are by Kambathasan(who specialised in dubbing songss in those days)
Here is the song by Jikki:-
Jala Jal Jala Jal Jala Jal Jala Jal
Thandayathan Natham
Varal Manapenney
Valaiyum Idai PEnney
Vaan Veli Malark Kanney(Jala)

Santhiran Than Kannadi
Kandadai Soodi
Vin Tharai Oonjal Mel
Menmelum Aadi
Naadum Kalyanap Pen
Paadum Ullasap Pen
Kaivalai Kulunga-kathani kilunga
kathal Vilanga (Jala)

Ullam Inai Sernthaal-Kalyanamagum
Enrum Inai Neenga-Anbey Vazhvagum
Vanilavodu Naan
Inai Theernthey thaan
Ponnai Pole -Minnum Netrimele
Kungumathoole(Jala)

Anbitke Aniyagum
Vithiyin Vinotham
Then Kaatru Nathiyosai
Nathasura geetham
Paareer Oorvalathai
Ser Kaiyaodu kai
Azhagey kaattum
Aanantham Mootum
Anbai Onrai Kootum(Jala)

Plese get hold of other songs from both AAH(Hindi) and Avan(Tamil) They are old and yet gold.
1.Kan Kaanathathum-AMR & Jikki
2.Aha Naaninru Arinthukkonden
3.Karirul Neram Kalaiyo Thooram
4.Eganthaman Immalayil
5.Anbe Vaa Azhaikindrathenthan MOochu-AMR& Jikki
6.Un Perai Ketten Thendral Thanil Naan-Jikki
7.Kalyana Oorvalam Varum-Jikki
8.Minnal Polagum INtha- AMR
OK it is 240 am Malaysian time. Good morning.Manisegaran

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Manisegaran, Ravi, SathiyaKeerthi, Bones Sathya, Kanchana, Bhaskar, Arun, Amar, Nov:


Manisegaranukku endru oru thani thread aarambitthal nanraga irukkum. Pazhaiya pattu referencekkagave. Enna solreenga ?

Manisegaran avargale, Naan "Vaa Endru Sonnadhum Vandhaaye Nee" endru oru thread aarambitthen. Indha pattu enna padamnnu gnaabagam varavillai - aanaal mandai veditthu vidum polirukkiradhu. Konjam kaapaatthunga.

Appuram innoru request. Enakku "Aah" paattudhaan theriyum. Endha paattai eppadi matthi irukkangannu
solla mudiyuma ?

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PagaL:
Last night I checked the Avan piththana pAttu
pusthagam - as akka & Manisekaran said - the
MD is R. Parthasarathy and Dir. is pa. neelakandan.

Few months back I saw a Nagesh movie (manimAla as
his brother's daughter and nagesh goes to city to make money)
That movie was produced/storied/musiced by R. Parthasarathy. enna padam ???

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RV avarkale, Thanks for suggesting a thread for me. But I wont be in the TFM discussion for long. I am a government officer. I am now having 6 days of public holiday because of Chinese New Year and the Muslim Ramdan Celebrations. Once the office re-opens I may not be this free. I am fully committed in writing articles for the press and Radio Malaysia on Literature and Cine news. I entered TFM discussion by accident, but no regret as I have earned so many dear ones. So pardon me please.

Your song Vaa Enru Sonnathum is sung by P. Suseela and Seergali Govindarajan in the film called Maniyarum Oru Veetu Marumakale, MD is Pendiala(also called P. Nageswararao). The song is picturised on SSR and MN Rajam. This is the only song to be mentioned in this utter flop movie. In any of such requests, I would have found it easier had you given me the slightest clue. This is because there may be several songs starting with the same pallavi. For example, "Anbe Vaa", "Vaarai " "Naan Unnai", "Unnai Naan" etc are pallavis for several songs. Ungal mandaiyai Naan Kappatra Poi Iruthiyil En Mandai Udainthu, Pinney naam Iruvarum ippadi Padavendi varum:-

"Neeyum Naanum Onnu Oru Nilayil Paarthal Indru"
otherwise

"En Kathaithan Un kathayum, Un Kathaithan En Kathaiyum"

Happy to learn that you like the AAH songs. I know which Hindi tune tune from AAH is for which Tamil song in AVAN, but as I now not a word of Hindi I do not wish to make an effort here in this thread. But some time later I may post to you personally.

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Bones:
Is the Nagesh movie "KalyANa Oorvalam" with the KJJ/?? song koondhalilE nei thadavi, and the hushed "chiththappa" in the middle?

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Manisekaran:
moonru pengal MD yil Asvaththamma enRathu MKT yudan Chinthamani padaththil nadiththa nadikaiyaa illai Asvathamma enru thaniyaaka MD yaa?

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Kanchana:
You are right. Kalyana oorvalam MD: R.Parthasarathy.

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Kanchana:

"pinniteenga!"

artham puriyAti...

"pinnu pinnu-nu pinnureenga!"

endru padinga.

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Bones:
neenga oru nadamAdum pudhuth thamizh agarAdhi! ungaLaal en thamizh vocabulary munnERikk kondirukkiradhu. ungaL thoNdu thodarattum! :-))

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Manisegaran: Your going would be a great loss for all of us. I think I speak for all of us when I say we were all looking out for you postings in various threads.

Thanks for saving my head from breaking into pieces.

Ungalai ketkaamal naan seidha thavarukku meendum varuttham therivitthuk kolgiren.

Naan niraya lines ezhudhi irundhene ? Oru velai neengal andha threadkku poga villaiyo ? Mudhal variyai inge mattum partthergalo ennavo theriya villai.

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RV
I am not gone for good. After my last posting I went outstation on holidays and just returned today. I am not in any way upset with you but my only fear is that I just cannot be a daily visitor to this site. But I must confess that I am pretty addicted to this site as butter is to bread (Naan Yen Piranthen-Coconut Seenivasan dialogue)Could you please tell me in which line you had communicated with me?

ASVATHAMA
The one who acted with MKT in Chintamani in 1937, produced by TV Rao(actress Lechumy's father) is the actress Asvathama who is different from the MD Asvathama The MD Asvathama has also composed for films like Kulamangai, Deivabalam, Pizhaikkum Vazhi and Naan Kanda Sorgam.

RAJI EN KANMANI
There was a query on Malligai Poo Jathi Roja from the film Raji En Kanmani. I hope the enquirer would visit this site. I saw the film when I was 7 years old, so I hope my memory serves right. It is a Gemini film, commercially a flop, but created sensation in the community for the untimely storyline. It was acted by T.R. Ramachandran, Sri Ranjani and Sreeram. TRR appears as a pichaikkaran, playing harmonium, and Sri Ranjani as a blind flower seller. They team up and she sings to attract customers. One of the songs is Malligai Jathip Poo Roja. They fall in love. Sri Ranjani has not seen the face of TRR, but once touches his face to get the feel of his face. TRR then meets up with a doctor(Sreeram) to arrange for the eye operation of Sri Ranjani.He leaves Sri Ranjani in the house of the doctor and goes to make financial arrangements. Some soolchi takes place happens and he is sent to jail. Later he tries to escape but police shoot his leg and extend his jail term. After waiting for a long time the doctor gives up hope and performs free operation. Having given up the hope of ever seeing TRR they get married. They have a son. While the mother and son go for a walk,the boy crosses the road he is almost knocked down by a car. But he is saved by a limping stranger. But in the course of saving the boy he is hit on the face. TRR recognises Sri Ranjani and is shocked to learn of the marriage. Sri Ranjani who does not recognise TRR takes him home and nurses him. As she touches his face she has a feeling that she has touched the face before. The doctor who turns up at that moment identifies TKR. TKR takes him to a corner and says that his coming was accidental and never intended to destroy the family. He wishes them well and leaves the house. SUBAM!

In those days the Gemini organisation never believed in promoting any individual artiste. It believed in team work. There will be credits like MUSIC by Gemini Isaikkulu, STORY by Gemini Story Ilakka etc. It was only in the later days that they slowly relaxed this style and started to reveal the individual artistes. Anyway, the MD for Raji En Kanmani is Parthasarathy. Apart from Mallikai Poo Jathy Roja there is another "KILLER" song called "Sundara Malare Solliduvaye En Anbar Vanthal Ennidam Neeye" by the same R. Balasaraswathy Devi.
In this film a test was made on the acceptability of western music in Tamil films. Both the songs are Spanish in origin. The songs became widely accepted and appreciated as the MD introduced more mood and feelings into them. Thats all I can remember on something that I saw at the tender age of 7. May be some elders in this site could correct me if I have gone wrong on the details.

PORTER KANTHAN
There was a querry on some minute details. I am sorry I do not have them as I have not seen the movie. From the info I have the MDs are MSV/TKR, the story dialogue and screenplay are by M.S. Kannan.Songs are by Valliappa and Maruthakazi. Apart from Varunthathey Manamey by SC Krishnan there is also a song "Nalla Nalla Sevai Nattukku Thevai" by Jikki& Co. and another song called "Vinaya" by Gandasala. More than this I do not know. Very sorry.
Regards.

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Manisekaran:

Nandri for the details.
mudinthavari inga vandhu "thendral" mAthiri veesitu pOnga.

Do you have any info about the movie "Ada vantha theivam". who is the MD ? VR or KVM ??
I vaguely remember the hero was TRM.

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Aada Vantha Deivam is starred by TRM, Anjali Devi, E.V. Saroja and MR Radha.The MD is KVM.There are some super songs as follows:-
1.Kodi Kodi Inbam Perave Thedi Vantha Selvam-P.Suseela
2.Kodi Kodi Inbam Peravey Thedi Vantha Selvam-TRM
3.Aasai Kondem Amuthamey-TRM
4.Sangam Muzhangivarum Singara Thamizh Kalaiye-TRM
5.Sottu sottunu sottuthu paru ingey -TRM/P.Suseela
6.Nilayaga En Nenjil Oli Veesum Deepam-P.Suseela
7.Valiya Vantha Seetheviya Thallathey-K.Jamunarani.
Songs are by Maruthakazi.

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RV,
Hindi Theriyamaley AAN padalgalai Try Pannugiren. Uthattil irunthu Mozhivathu Hindi, but En Ullathil irunthu Pozhivathuthan Thaithamizh. Aagave anniya mozhyil pizhai irunthal porutharulavendum.
AVAN AAH
1.Kan Kanathathum - 1.Jane Ne Nazar
2.Jala Jala Jala Jal - 2.Jala Jal Jala
3.Aaha Nanithai Arinthu - 3.Jumne Januki Umkiliye
4.Karirul Neram - 4.Rath hangeri
5.Anbe Vaa Azhaikkindra -5.Ajare Abu MeraDilpukara
6.Kalyanam Oorvalam Varum- 6.Rajaki Ayegi Barat.
7.Minnal Polagumintha - 7. Chotisi Ye Zindagani
8.Un Perai Ketten 8.Sun Peke Ki Nam

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Manisegaran:

Nandri. Aan-il kadaisi 4 paattuthan ippodhu gnaabagam irukkiradhu. Pallaviayip partthaal paattaiyum mozhi peyartthadhu pol irukkiradhu. Sunthe the Naam Hum, Choti Si Hai Zindagaani pondravai migavum arumaiyaan paadalgal. Avatrai ninaivu padutthiadhurku nandri.

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Summarizing this topic is going to be rather tough. ;-)

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I am not going to summarize Sudarsanam songs here. It can be basically seen in two early posting by Sathiya Keerthi and Manisekaran.

I will try to summarize the remaining part.

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Naanum oru Mani Fan Club member.

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Test pl ignore

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Meendum athe nuisance. Ignore..

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If you are wondering what happened to the prev responses, check the "Old Responses" link.

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Mr. Manisegaran,
I always wondered about Loganathan and Govidarajan singing the same songs `Vanameethil' and `Kongu naattu' in records, but in the film `Komathiyin Kathalan' only S.Govidarajan's version could be heard. Today I happened to go through the old responses in this section and it appears that you have spoken about this with Mr.Govidarajan. Would you mind sharing the news with us?
Is `Komathiyin Kathalan' the first movie for Seergali G? I remember hearing his voice in old MGR film `En Thangai', but I am not 100% sure.
Thanks.

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This thread on Sudharsanam MD needs a mention about AVM logos asthanam music director. He was the FIRST to compose for Bharathi songs. Later G.Ramanathan and CR Subburaman. His hits like Kanna Karumai nira kanna had excellent team work where he attributed the tune to his Clarionet player, ?Kesavalu or Kothandaraman, who created the melody first, which was later improvised by Sudharsanam.

AA and Manisegaran - The first song for Sirkali G is Siripputhaan varuguthayya in the movie Ponvayal by Kalki.
Regarding Vaamameethil song in Gomathiyin kadhalan Sirkali Gs version is the authentic original version which was presented by the film producers to the recording company. Saraswathi stores, which was a famous recording company those days, took a grab on the songs popularity with a 'duplicate' recording, now proudly called as cover-version, which was sung by Trichy Loganathan.

In the tutlege of the olden days, "Sathyameva Jayathe", the original always lasts longer. Like wise Sirkali Gs song original version is still lingering as a feast to the ears.
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[natha1729]

3.Ayiram Mutham Tharuven tharuven-P Suseela

is a very beautiful song. is this original or a hindi copy?

[tfmlover]

http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab272/1tfml/1954/nov1954chella111-1.jpg

Regards

[madhu]

waiting... waiting..

[tfmlover]

அன்னையர் தினம் அமோகமாக கொண்டாடி இருப்பீர்கள் அன்பர்களே :)

பெற்றால் தான் பிள்ளையா என்பார்கள்
அன்பில் மலரும் அற்புதம் எல்லாம் அன்னையின் விளையாட்டு
அலையும் மனதை அமைதியில் வைப்பது அன்னையின் தாலாட்டு
எந்நாளும் அம்மா நாள் தான் !

பாட்டைக் கேட்டாலே திரைக்கதை பாதி புரிந்துவிடும் என்றிருந்த காலத்தில் உருவான பாடல்
ஆர் சுதர்சனத்தின் ஆர்ப்பாட்டமில்லாத இசையில் உருகும் பி சுசீலா
அஞ்சலி தேவிக்காக
மேகலா பிக்சர்ஸ் பூமாலை' யில் (1960)
மு கருணாநிதியின் அபிமான விஜயகுமாரி ..
இன்னும் எஸ் எஸ் ஆர் , அஞ்சலி தேவி
ராஜஸ்ரீ..மற்றும் பலர் நடிப்பில்

பூமாலை நீயே புழுதி மண்மேலே என்று ஆரம்ப ஆர் சுதர்சனம்
பராசக்தி கூட்டணியிலும் பாடலொன்று வந்ததல்லவா

வேண்டாமென்று தூக்கி எறிந்து விட்டுப்போன குழந்தையை
ஊரார்களின் வசை இழி மொழிகளுக்கிடையே பேணி வளர்க்கும்
அன்புத்தாய் அஞ்சலிதேவி பாடுகிறார்

கட்டைவிரல் வெல்லக்கட்டி
உன் கன்னம் ரெண்டும் தங்கக் கட்டி
பெற்றெடுத்த தாய்க்கு நீயும் கசந்த எட்டி
சிரிப்பாய் நீ என் சிங்கக்குட்டி

அப்போது தள்ளிவிட்டு
இப்போது குமுறு குமுறுவது
யாரென்று பார்த்தால்
யார் அம்மா
யார் சும்மா
என்று
சொல்லாமலேயே புரிந்து விடும்

மாயவநாதன் ,சீதாராமன் ,கவி ராஜகோபால் , குமாரவேல் மு கருணாநிதி ஆகியோர்
இப்படத்திற்காக பாடல் எழுதியிருக்கிறார்கள்
இது அநேகமாக மாயவநாதன் பேனாவிலிருந்து வந்திருக்க வேண்டும்

திரைப்படம் ஆன்லைனில் இருக்கிறதா தெரியவில்லை
இல்லையாயின் விரும்பியவர்கள் உடன் தரவிறக்கம் செய்து கொள்ளுங்கள்
டியூப்பில் பழைய தமிழ்ப் பாடல்கள் எதுவும் அதிக நாள் நிலைப்பதில்லை அல்லவா


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUctqfL6U_I&feature=channel_video_title

பூமாலை யின் பழைய விளம்பரத்தையும் உடன் போடலாம் என்றிருந்தேன்
மனம் ஒப்பவில்லை :sad:

நன்றி

Regards

[sivaramakrishnanG]

அன்பு tfml அவர்களே,
நீங்கள் கொடுத்தாலும் கொடுக்காவிட்டாலும் பரவாயில்லை!
நீங்கள் இங்கே கொடுக்கும் பல லிங்குகள் அழிக்கப் பட்டு விடுகின்றன; அல்லது மறைக்கப் பட்டு விடுகின்றன.
தவிரவும் , உங்களது படைப்புகள் உங்கள் பெயர் நீக்கம் செய்யப்பட்டு , தங்களது படைப்பு போல மற்றவர்களால் வேறு இடங்களில் கொடுக்கப் படுகிறது..எப்படியானாலும், பொக்கிழங் களைப் பாதுகாக்கத் தெரியாத தமிழனை சென்றடைந்தால் சரிதான்!
என்றும் அன்புடன்,
சிவா.G

[madhu]

சிவாஜி..
Tfml வெட்ட வெட்ட துளிர்க்கும் மரம் போல காணாமல் போன லிங்க் எல்லாம் கூட திரும்ப கொடுத்தார். அதுவும் காணாமல் போனால் என்னதான் செய்வது ? கிடைத்த வரை சந்தோஷப் பட்டுக் கொள்ள வேண்டிய நிலைமைதான்.

[s ramaswamy]

Hi all,

Indira En Selvam endra padathil idam petra arumayana paadal "Inbam kondadum Maalai". PBSudan paaduvadu K Rani endru cooltoadil info. Aanal enakku antha seductive voice K Jamunaraniudayadu endru thondrugirathu. Intha paadalin video kidaikkuma? TFMlover avargale, link kodukka mudiyuma?

Audio link:
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=493636&PHPSESSID=6cc6917bb3dee4245377f3a541bee701

Anbudan

Ramaswamy

[s ramaswamy]

(Am repeating an earlier post)

Hi all,

Indira En Selvam endra padathil idam petra arumayana paadal "Inbam kondadum Maalai". PBSudan paaduvadu K Rani endru cooltoadil info. Aanal enakku antha seductive voice K Jamunaraniudayadu endru thondrugirathu. Intha paadalin video kidaikkuma? TFMlover avargale, link kodukka mudiyuma?

Audio link:
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song...77f3a541bee701

Anbudan

Ramaswamy

[tfmlover]

(Am repeating an earlier post)

Hi all,

Indira En Selvam endra padathil idam petra arumayana paadal "Inbam kondadum Maalai". PBSudan paaduvadu K Rani endru cooltoadil info. Aanal enakku antha seductive voice K Jamunaraniudayadu endru thondrugirathu. Intha paadalin video kidaikkuma? TFMlover avargale, link kodukka mudiyuma?

Audio link:
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song...77f3a541bee701

Anbudan

Ramaswamy

hi Ramaswamy !
K Rani 's voice modulation can be perplexing at times
listen to this wonderful islath gaanam
http://www.hummaa.com/music/song/Thirumaraiyin+Arul+Mozhigal/111297#
then if you listen to inbam kondaadum again ?, would make sense i guess

Regards

[tfmlover]

Hi all,

Indira En Selvam endra padathil idam petra arumayana paadal "Inbam kondadum Maalai". PBSudan paaduvadu K Rani endru cooltoadil info. Aanal enakku antha seductive voice K Jamunaraniudayadu endru thondrugirathu. Intha paadalin video kidaikkuma? TFMlover avargale, link kodukka mudiyuma?

Audio link:
http://music.cooltoad.com/music/song.php?id=493636&PHPSESSID=6cc6917bb3dee4245377f3a541bee701

Anbudan

Ramaswamy

S Ramaswamy avargalE !
you can watch it here , complete movie

http://www.bigflix.com/home/movies/indra-en-selvam/1226
Asoka Pictures Indira En Selvam

inbam kondaadum maalai .. PBS with K Rani
kanni paruvam aval manadhil..PBS with Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi another
wonderful song from the same movie
more songs by Radha Jayalakshmi , Soolamangalam Jayalakshmi
music songs composed by C N Pandurangam
along with H R Padhmanapa Sasthri
PBS for S A Ashokan ,
rare ! quite an occasion
and also ,those songs for Bandaribai ,

Regards

[s ramaswamy]

Hi TFM Lover,

Tks for "Indira En Selvam" movie link. yes, the credits show the female singers as Sulamangalam sisters and K Rani and I'm convinced that the female singer of this beautiful duet is Rani. She too has an enchanting style of singing. PBS has lent his golden voice to Asokan (he looks very bulky in this movie itself) in 'Manapanthal", is it not?

And so this song link should be shifted to 1950s and 1960s link and not be retained in R Sudarsanam's link. C N Pandurangam is a very old MD but not much is known about him. He's the MD of perhaps AMR's best-ever solo "Sirpi Sedukkadha Por Chilaye" in "Ethir Paradadu", I think. Can more details be provided about CNP?

Also "indira En Selvam" has another super no. in "Kanni Paruvam Aval" by PBS. What are the other songs? Sorry, don't have the time to go through the movie and listen to all of them.

This movie must have come in the early 1960s, I presume, and the lyricists are mostly unknown quantities. Any reason why? And who is the heroine singing the duet with PBS? Certainly not Pandari Bai!

Anbudan

Ramaswamy

[baroque]

இலவுகாத்த கிளி போல்.....மாமியார் மெச்சிய மருமகள்.....கவி ராஜகோபால்....MLV 's pathos

[rajeshkrv]

the lady with ashokan should be pushpamala i guess.

[rajeshkrv]

Those who dont know who K.Ranee is
here is the pic

http://www.bharatwaves.com/portal/uploads/original_img44cf31ef3b8b3.jpg

the lady in blue is Ranee.

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the heroine singing the duet with Asokan ?
she is Gemini Chandra
did a small role in 'KappalOttiya Thamizhan too
as (K Bajaji )Vanjinathan's wife

Regards