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virarajendra
3rd February 2005, 10:45 AM
Author - Virarajendra

Significance of the "Thamil (Tamil) New Year"

This Year the traditional "Tamil New Year" falls on the 1st of the Tamil Month Chiththirai of "Thiruvalluvar Aandu" 2048 {2017 + 31} being 14th April A.D.2017 based on the birth year of Thiruvalluvar - being B.C.31

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""Thamilar Mangala Isai" with the dawn of the "Chiththirai Thamil Puththaandu"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vUfgPuQJ8=player_detailpage

https://youtu.be/J5dwWRFd8f4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSSOIXyFHJo=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylzY9Mo8-SM=player_detailpage A beautiful rendering from Tamil Thirumurai/Thiruvasakam by 'Bombay Saradha' - You Tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLaDLDvBQEo=player_detailpage A beautiful rendering from Tamil Naalaayira Thivya Pirapantham' by 'Bombay Saradha' - You Tube

Briefly on the "Thamil Puththaandu" - also referred to as the "Thamil Puthu Varuda Pirrappu" could be viewed in the vIdeos on the following URLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGL8_01rpD4=player_detailpage

https://youtu.be/5eZeTOzGpqo

https://youtu.be/YV3847-NhbQ

https://youtu.be/LkNFFDtiluM

https://youtu.be/j7_dlAO6ueU

(2) The Practices in the Celebration of - "Tamil Puththaandu" or "Puthu Varuda Piraappu" (Tamil New Year)

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On the day of the Tamil New Year a space in front of the house where the morning sun falls is selected swept and water sprinkled to prevent dust rising if it is a sandy area and if cemented area washed with water, and in both cases in addition water - mixed with cowdung and manjal powder (tumeric powder) is sprinkled to ensure purity and cleanliness of the area where the Puththaandu Kolam is drawn with white Rice Flower. Within the the Main Doorway, Shrine Room Doorway at the top a string is tied across and poocharam is hung along with Mango Leaves alternatively equally spaced.

In the Kitchens of the Houses the burnt bricks or 'burnt clay aduppukal' decorated with Vipoothi, Santhanam and Kunkumam. In some areas the Paal (Milk) Pongal Pots made of Brass is used, but the Clay Pots are of traditional significance. In the Kitchens of the houses the ClayPots with colour designs painted around it's neck are used for first boiling of Milk. Dried Fire wood are used for lighting the hearth.

A Brass Kuththu Vilakku is placed on one side of the to Clay Pot with Images or Photos of God - Siva, Thirumaal, Pillaiyar, Murugan, or Sakthi - the God form of their choice, along with Saambiraani Thattu, Katpoora Thattu, Santhanakuttchi Nilai. On this same side a large plate with plantain leaf also placed on this side. Six other Plates one with Vetrillai, Paakku, and Pooch Charam, fresh Flowers for Poosai and a seive of very fresh ripe Plantains and flowers, Santhanakkutchi (Uthupaththi), Karpoorakattical and placed on the other side with an additional second small plate with crushed Saambiraani. The third Plate with one of each variety of Fruits of different colors namely Maampalam, Sulaikal of Palaappalam, Vaalaippalam, Munthirikai Palam, Vilaampalam and Maathulai Palam, Thodai Palam etc washed and placed near the first plate. The fourth plate to be with other Palakaarams such as Methu Vadai (Ulunthu Vadai), Kadalai Paruppu Chundal or Kondai Kadalai, Kadalai maa Murukku, Omampodi etc, and the fifth with Sweetmeats such as Aval, Boonthi, Laddu, Aluvaa etc placed near the earlier plates. One big plate with plantain leaves placed over it is kept near Pongal Paanai to spread Sakkarai Pongal.

All people of each household have early morning bath and wear new clothes for the occasion in their traditional garb the Selai, Paavaadai, Vesti, Melanghi, and the ladies and girls with poo, pottu, with or without basic jewels cluster around the Pongal Panai ready to start the Pongal festivities. They stand facing the rising sun and place the new Pongal Paanai with its decorations filled three quarter filled with cow milk. They light the fire wood in the hearth at the auspicios time and await its boiling. When the Milk boils over all Thupa Araththi with Saambiraani, and Theepa Araththi with Katpooram with the ringing of handbell and then to the Rising Norning Sun in referance to the Sun God. While the milk boils over the surrounding household members says Pongalo Pongal and pray to the Sun God within themselves for a Bright and Prosperous coming life.

Thereafter the members of each house hold place a little of Raw Red Rice (Swappu Patchai Arisi) with the addition of Sakkarai, Nei, Munthirikai vatthal, Kasukottai, Ealam and the Sakkarapongal is cooked. Once the Sakkaripongal is cooked they are spread on the large plate kept near the Kuththu Villakku. Theafter the the Lady of the Household does the Poosai Valipaadu to the God's Images or Photos decorated with flower garlands, flower charems, with santhanam and Kumkumam placed on them. Starting with the Thupa Valipaduwith Saambirani Araththi and Tupa Valipaadu with with Katpoora Araththi, followed by the singing Pathikams of Tamil Saiva Thevarems from Thirumuraikal or Vainava Thiruppaadalkal from Tamil Vainava Naayira thivya Pirapanthams and do the venduthalkal from God for their and their family well being. This is followed by Thupa araththi with Saambiraani smoke throught their household with the traditional belief all evils surrounding their househols should fade away.

Therafter the Sakkarai Pongal is distributed among the members of the household and others with Methu Vadai, Kadal Paruppu Chundal or Kadalai, Murukku, Omampodi with rip plantains and pieces of the variey of fruits kept for poosai including cut pieces of Karumbbu to have their first meal of the day with all happiness and sweetness to their pallets. Then the Chief of each house hold gives new coins or notes as Kai Visedam to the others members in the family signifying the wishing of prosperity.

Therafter it is customary to the entire family to go for worship at the nearby temple for their various venduthakal from God from the shortcomings in their life and for their salvation and well being and that of their family.

In the evening the days could end up with people going for Music festivals, Dance festivals, or Religious - Festivals or Lectures or organised Pattimantrams - but not for Tassmark Liquor festivals and end up the day making them look like "Fools - and a laughing stock" 'in the eyes of the others' especially on an auspicious day - whether they come from un-educated or less-educated Tamil families, or from highly educated rich and influential families.

(2) The Hindu Astronomical Significance of the Tamil New Year

The Earth travels in an eliptical path around the Sun through 360 degrees (Paakai in Tamil), and the time period for one such complete travel around the Sun (Suriyan in Tamil) is called an Year (Aandu in Tamil).

The circumferance of the eliptical path traced by the Earth (Ulaham in Tamil) having the Sun as the central point - are divided into twelve arcs, and the angular segments traced by each arc measuring 30 degress is called a House (Veedu in Tamil or Rasi in Sanskrit). Thus the earth passes through twelve Houses in an year.

In actual fact, it is the Earth which enters each Houses at any given time. But for us who live on the Earth it appears as if the Sun is moving (relative Motion), and we very loosely say that the "Sun travels through the twelve Houses"

The twelve Houses are named as,

(1) Meda Veedu or Raasi
(2) Idapa Veedu or Raasi
(3) Mithuna Veedu or Raasi
(4) Kataka Veedu or Raasi
(5) Singa Veedu or Raasi
(6) Kanni Veedu or Raasi
(7) Thula Veedu or Raasi
(8) Virutchika Veedu or Raasi
(9) Thanu Veedu or Raasi
(10) Makara Veedu or Raasi
(11) Kumba Veedu or Raasi
(12) Meena Veedu or Raasi

The Sun (that appears to be moving) in to Meda Veedu or Raasi, is taken as the starting point of it's next complete cycle throught the twelve Veeduhal.

The period of travel of the Sun in each Veedu or Raasi is known as a "Thingal" - a Month (also known as Maatham in Tamil and Maasa in Sanskrit). Hence for the Sun to travel through the twelve Veedus or Rasis to complete one cycle, it takes twelve Thingals which is known as an "Aandu" - a Year (also known as Varudam in Tamil and Varusha in Sanskrit).

The time the Sun enters the "Meda Veedu" or Raasi was traditionally taken as the starting point of the New Year by the Tamils.

Also the "positioning" (Niyathi) of the twenty seven "Meengal" (Natchaththirams) within these twelve Veeduhal too has been traditionally counted from "Acchuvini" the first Meen in the Meda Veedu, and ends up in "Revathi" as the last Meen in the Meena Veedu.

The fact that the Meda Veedu commences with the first of the twenty seven Meenkal namely the Acchuvini in "initial position" (Niyathi), too confirms that from the early days Tamils reckoned the starting point of a year cycle with the Meda Veedu.

The one who calculates the astronomical settings and movements of the Earth, Sun, and other Planets in respect of the 12 Veedus or Rasis is known as the "Sothidar". But in ancient times in Tamil Nadu they were known as the "Kaalak Kanithar"

(3) The Tamil Seasonal Significance of the Tamil New Year

The Tamils have divided an Aandu in to six seasons based on the climatic conditions in Tamil Nadu, and sequenced them with the commencement of the Ilavenil Kaalam. They are namely the,

Ilavenil Kaalam: mild sunny period : Chiththirai, Vaikaasi - Thingal
: mid April to mid June
Muthuvenil Kaalam: intense sunny period : Aani, Aadi - Thingal
: mid June to mid August
Kaar Kaalam: cloudy rainy period : Aavani, Purataasi - Thingal
: mid August to mid October
Kuthir Kaalam: cold period : Iyppassi, Kaarthihai - Thingal
: mid October to mid December
Munpani Kaalam: early misty period (evening dew): Maarkali, Thai - Thingal
: mid December to mid February
Pinpani Kaalam: late misty period (morning dew): Maasi, Panguni - Thingal
: mid February to mid April

The beginning of the Ilavenil Kaalam of the Tamils coincides with the beginning of the Sun moving into the Meda Veedu or Rasi, which falls in mid April, and is the time of commencement of the Tamil month of Chitthirai.

The Ilavenil Kaalam covers both the months of Chitthirai and Vaikaasi as mentioned earlier. Vaikaasi too being a month of the Ilavenil Kaaalam is confirmed by a reference in the Chera(Kerala) Tamil Epic of the second century, known as "Manimekalai" composed by the Poet Saaththanaar.

The Reference is as follows:

".......Iruthu Ilavenil erikathir Idapaththu
oru pathin melum oru moontru sentrapin -
Meenaththu idainilai Meenathu ahavaiyin......."

Meaning:

".......(in the) season Ilavenil (when) the Sun is in the Idapa (Veedu = Raasi) (being the month of Vaikaasi), (after) one ten plus one three natchaththiram (stars) have passed, (on) the day of the central natchaththiram (star) (being the Chiththirai natchath-thiram) - ......."

Manimekalai - by Poet Seeththalai Saaththanaar, Paaththiram pettra kaathai, line 40-42

(U.V.Saaminaatha Iyer's 6th edition - 1956)

Further from the above it is also clear the Chithirai Natchaththiram was the fourteenth natchathiram in the order of reckoning of the twenty seven stars by the Tamils of the second century A.D. and earlier, and working backwards it is further confirmed the first natchaththiram reckoned in the natchathiram cycle was Acchuvini.

The dawn of the month of Chiththirai is the dawn of the Ilavenil Kaalam, a period of mild sun with much light and less humid wind known to be very soothing and refreshing and was known as "Thentral Kaatru" to Tamils. (Please note "Chiththirai Maatham" (month) and the "Chitthirai Natchathiram" (Star) are two different things. 'Chitthirai Maatham' (i.e. the period from Mid April to mid May) comes only once a year, while 'Chiththirai Natchatchiram' occurs during each of the twelve month of a year)

This might be the very reason the Tamil Saiva Saint of Tamil Nadu namely the Thirunaavukkarsu Naayanaar of the late sixth and early seventh century, equated the pleasure of being at the feet of God Siva - is as good as the "blowing Thentral Kaatru during the extended Ilavenil Kaalam", showing the great delight the Tamils had during the "Ilavenil Kaalam".

The Reference is as follows:

"Maasil veenaiyum maalai mathiyamum
veesu thentralum veengu Ilavenilum
moosu vandari poikaiyum pontrathe
Eesan enthai inai adi nilale"

Meaning:

".......the speckless Veena, the (late) evening moon, the blowing Thentral (kaattru-wind) and the spanning Ilavenil season, the pond with cooling water like which is the shade of my father Easan's twin feet......."

Thevaara Thiruppathikamgal : 5th Thirumurai - by Tamil Saiva Saint Thirunaavukkarasar, Thanith Thirukkurunthokai Pathikam, Ver' 1

(Second Edition - Published by Gangai Puththaka Nilayam, Chennai, Tamil Nadu)

(4) The Sangam Period sequence of the Tamil Months of a Year

The "Kooththa Nool" a dance treatise composed by poet Saaththanaar of the "third Thamil Sangam" period of the first/second century Tamil Nadu, in describing the different type of clouds associated with each month of an year, has also sequenced the Tamil months with the commencement of Chitthirai Thingal and ending up with Panguni Thingal.

The Reference is as follows:

".......Chitthirai, Vaikaasi, Aani, Aadi, Aavani, Purattaasi, Iyppassi, Karththikai, Maarkali, Thaiyudan, Maasi, Panguni, ennath Thingal ovvondru inangum "muhil neri" kooththe "Muhil-vari" enba......."

Meaning:

"........the 'muhil neri' dances which complies which each month Chitthirai, Vaikaasi, Aani, Aadi, Aavani, Purattaasi, Iyppassi, Karththikai, Maarkali, Thaiyudan, Maasi, Panguni, are (known as) the "Muhil-vari" (in the treatise on dance).

Kooththa Nool - by Poet Saaththanaar, chapter titled the Vari Nool

(Second Edition - Published by Tamil Nadu Iyal Isai Nataka Mantram, Chennai, through the courtesy of Thirumathi Yogiyar wife of - Late Thiru Yogiyar who discovered this ancient Ola Manuscript - a Sangam Period Tamil Dance Treatise)

Further the "third Thamil Sangam" period Literature the "Nedunelvaadai" composed by poet Nakeeranaar too confirms that the Sun moves through the houses of Raasis 'starting' from the Meda Raasi which is the month of Chiththirai.

"......Thinnilai maruppin Aadu thalai yaha (with Meda Veedu or Raasi as the first) vinn uurbu thiri tharum veengu selal mandilathuthu......'

Meaning:

Nedunelvaadai - by Poet Nakkeeranaar, verse 160

Further the "third Thamil Sangam" period Tamil Literature the "Puranaanooru" has a verse composed by poet Kudaluur Keelaar which too confirms that the New year dawns with the Meda Raasi which is the month of Chiththirai.

"Aadu Iyal alal kuttaththu Aar irrul arai iravil
muudapp panaiyaththu ver muthalaak
kadaik kulaththu kayam kaayap Panguni uyar aluvath
thalai naal meen nilai thiriya
nilai naalmeen athan ethir errthara
thol naal meen thurai padiya
paasi sellaathu uusi thunaathu alakkarth thinai vilakkaakak
kanai eri parappa kaal ethippu pongi oru meen vilunththantraal visumbinaane

Meaning:

Puranaanooru - by Poet Kudaluur Keelaar, verse 229

Note:

We also note in the third century B.C. at a time when 'Meda Rasi' or 'Mesha Rasi' was called by it's pure Tamil name as "Aadu Iyal" (Aadu = Medam and Iyal = Raasi) the Tamils recognised it to be the first Veedu (or Raasi) being the Tamil month of Chiththirai of the Tamil year reckoning system. This is confirmed by the reference in the Tamil Literature of third Thamil Sangam period namely in the 'Nedunelvaadai' of the poet Nakkeerar of first century B.C. as ".....Thinnilai maruppin Aadu thalai yaha vinn uurbu thiri tharum veengu selal mandilathuthu......' and by a verse in 'Puranaanooru' by the poet Koodal Kilaar as "....Aadu Iyal alal kuttaththu.....". The second reference in Puranaanooru was made on the Tamil Chera (Kerala) king Maantharam Cheral Irumporai 3 to 4 decades ahead of the Silapathikaaram period in second century B.C.

Hence it is clear the Tamils selected the dawn of the Tamil New Year with the beginning of the "Ilavenil Kaalam" being also the time the Sun just enters the "Meda Veedu" and the beginning of the"Meenkal Suttru" (Natchaththira cycle) commencing with "Acchuvini". The dawn of the New Year was referred to as the "Puthiya Aandu Pirappu" or "Varudha Pirappu", and the starting month of the New Year was called as the "Chiththirai Thingal" or Matham.

The Chitthirai Thingal (Maatham) with Ilavenil Kaalam was most welcome for the Tamils, and in many Hindu Temples in Tamil Nadu they celebrated the annual festival of the respective Temples in Chitthirai Thingal referred to as "Chiththirai Thiruvilaa" which was also known as the Vasantha (Ilavenil in Tamil) Vilaa from the period of Nayakkar rule in Tamil Nadu.

(5) The Tamil - Hindu Cyclic System of Years

The Tamils also considered an average life cycle of a human-being as 60 years, and reckoned a "Cyclic System of Years" based on same provided with different names for each year falling within this cycle. The Year Cycle repeats itself in every 60 years. The names of the sixty years of this cycle are as follows.

(1) Pirapava Aandu
(2) Vipava Aandu
(3) Sukla Aandu
(4) Piramothuutha Aandu
(5) Pirasotpaththi Aandu
(6) Aangeerasa Aandu
(7) Srimuha Aandu
(8) Pava Aandu
(9) Yuva Aandu
(10) Thaathu Aandu
(11) Eeswara Aandu
(12) Vehuthaaniya Aandu
(13) Piramaathi Aandu
(14) Vikrama Aandu
(15) Visha Aandu
(16) Chitirabaanu Aandu
(17) Subaanu Aandu
(18) Thaarana Andu
(19) Paarththipa Aandu
(20) Viya Aandu
(21) Sarvasiththu Aandu
(22) Sarvathaari Aandu
(23) Virothi Aandu
(24) Vikruthi Aandu
(25) Kara Aandu
(26) Nanthana Aandu
(27) Vijaya Aandu
(28) Jaya Aandu
(29) Manmatha Aandu
(30) Thunmuki Aandu
(31) Hovilambi Aandu
(32) Vilambi Aandu
(33) Vikaari Aandu
(34) Saarvari Aandu
(35) Pilava Aandu
(36) Subakiruthu Aandu
(37) Sobakiruthu Aandu
(38) Kurothi Aandu
(39) Visuvaasuva Aandu
(40) Paraapava Aandu
(41) Pilavanga Aandu
(42) Keelaka Aandu
(43) Soumiya Aandu
(44) Saathaarana Aandu
(45) Virothikiruthu Aandu
(46) Parithaapi Aandu
(47) Piramaatheesa Aandu
(48) Aanantha Aandu
(49) Raatchasa Aandu
(50) Nala Aandu
(51) Pingala Aandu
(52) Kaalayukthi Aandu
(53) Siththaarththi Aandu
(54) Rouththri Aandu
(55) Thunmathi Aandu
(56) Thunththupi Aandu
(57) Ruthrothkaari Aandu
(58) Rakthaatchi Aandu
(59) Kurothana Aandu
(60) Atsaya Aandu

According to the above Cyclic System of Years, the Tamil New Year the "Thaarana Aandu" dawns on the first day of the Chiththirai Thingal, which is the 13th of April 2004.

A further Research Study is to be made to ascertain whether the so called "Hindu 60 - Years Reckoning Cycle" was actually of Sanskrit origin, or of Ancient Tamil origin with Tamil names which were subsequently changed to Sanskrit names with the intense Sanskritisation of 'Tamil Nadu - Culture and Practices' during the period of Pallava dynasty in north Tamil Nadu (A.D.575-900) with their capital at Kanchipuram.

Under Re-Construction


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Sudhaama
5th February 2005, 09:39 PM
quite Interesting and Informative presentation... Thanks Mr Vira Rajendra...

But a few Errors... here and there... One of which is... Makara is the 10th and Kumbha is the 11th House.... Meena the 12th.... from Mesha the 1st.

Please clarify on Two Points?

(1) Who Invented or initiated this Tamilian Calendar?

(2) How it is named as Tamilian Months and Years.... while the whole lot are of Sanskrit words?...

(3) Or Perhaps... named so because Tamilian Panchaangam and Year calculations are Soorya-Maana (based on the movement of Earth in relation to Sun) while the most other parts of India, including the Neighbour-states of Andhra, Karnataka ...except Kerala and Bengal ... are following the Chandra-Maana (based on the Movement of Moon in relation to Earth and Sun)... So their New-years day is diifferent.

Please clarify.... Thanking you in Advance.

aravindhan
5th February 2005, 11:15 PM
When I lived in Thailand, I was amazed by how similar their calender was to ours. Here're the names of their months (more or less, I may have made some small mistakes):

Makara khom
Kumpha yon
Meena khom
Mesa yon
Phuthsapha khom
Mithuna yon
Karakada khom
Singhaa khom
Kanyaa yon
Tulaa khom
Phruthsadyika yon
Thanwa khom

The months are now synchronised to the western calender (so Makara khom is identical to January). However, their traditional New Year's day - "songkran" - usually falls on approximately the same day as the Tamil varudapirappu.

virarajendra
7th February 2005, 07:48 AM
Thiru Sudaama,

Thanking you for pinpointing the small error in my posting.

The Makara is in fact the tenth & Kumba the eleventh. Error corrected.

As to who invented the Tamil Calender is still not known, but the Tamil months are mentioned in the Sangam period Tamil Literature.

Re- the third query I think what you have pointed out could be a possibility, as to the Sanskrit names for the years is to be investigated.


Thiru Aravindhan,

Your information about the names of the months as prevailing presently in Thailand is very useful. Could you very kindly let us also know of the names of the seven days of the week as prevailing there today.

Sudhaama
8th February 2005, 03:12 AM
Unique Tamilian-Calendar

There is also some Experts Opinion.... stating that....

(1) Tamilian Calendar is the only the Typical one, wherein both the basis of the Sun's and the Moon's movements have been given importance and involvement. So to say the Names of the Months are named after the Star on which Pournhami or the Full-Moon days coincide. For example... the star Mriga-seersham falls on the Pournhami day in the Month of Maarhazhi... Chithra in the the month of Chiththirai ... and Visaakam in the month of Vaikaasi ... Karthikai in the Month of Kaarthikai and so on. Sometimes it may slightly vary. But the general basis of the Names of the Months are the indirect Names of the Stars in relation to the Full-moon day of the respective month..

Whereas the day the Sun enters the respective House or Rasi is taken as the first day of the tamil-Month. Sun remains within each House of about 30 degrees for 29-32 days... which duration is taken as the Tamilian month... Thus it culminates in... 365.25 days of 360 degrees of one circle by Earth around the Sun.... so to say the full course of Earth's Orbit around the Sun... exactly making One Tamil Year.

(2) Kings of those days believed and patronised Astrology.... and used to frequently convene extensive Astrological Sadas or Conference and Seminars. Such of those different Kings of various Linguistic regions of Bhaaratha country...used to invite the Scholars from all over India, then called Akhila-Bhaaratha... and they used to participate.

India in those days, comprised of different Linguistic Regions and Countries.... contrary to the present Single Nation as India.. So they felt the need of uniform Terminologies all over India... irrespective of the individual Astrologer's Linguistic region. The Sanskrit names were preferred by all... which for most of the Tamil months still continue.

On the recommendation of their Astrologers, the Kings of the then Bengal and Kerala Regions preferred and recognised the Tamilian-Astrologers Calendar... which continues in those 3 Linguistic Regions only.. presently..... which is based on Soorya-Maana, while the rest of the whole India especially the major part of North-India, follow Chandra-mana.

So the latter's Calendar, Months as well as the New-year- day falls different from that of the Tamilians.

... In the Chandra-mana Calendar...(followed by the people of Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Marathi, Gujarathi etc. Regions) ...such difference is corrected by periodically introducing an additional month ... named "Adhika-Maasa... in some of the years in course of time.

In case of English calendar it is corrected ..once in 4 years ....by adding up one more day (0.25 x 4 = 1..00) in February, during the so-called Leap-year... by making up the Cumulative difference (by Shortage) of about 6 Hours (about 0.25 day) per Each year. ... So as to complete the full cycle in the course of One year of 365.25 days.... i.e., the Time taken by Earth to complete one cycle around the Sun.

Whereas Only the.... Tamilian Calendar Year...it is exact... by the Beginning and End of ...

..... Each year... since set right ... during the course of the same year itself...

... by making up such a ... Cumulative- Shortage.. between the Theoretical and Realistic figures

... Thus... Unique... and... Far different... from... Other Indian and Global Calendars as well. !!!

aravindhan
13th February 2005, 12:39 AM
Your information about the names of the months as prevailing presently in Thailand is very useful. Could you very kindly let us also know of the names of the seven days of the week as prevailing there today.

The names of the Thai days are closer to the Sanskrit names, I think, but here they are, with their meanings in brackets:

Monday: Wan chanthar (day of the moon)
Tuesday: Wan angkhaar (day of Mars)
Wednesday: Wan phuut (day of Mercury)
Thursday: Wan paruhan (day of Jupiter)
Friday: Wan sukar (day of Venus)
Saturday: Wan sear (day of Saturn)
Sunday: Wan athith (day of the Sun)

Crab
9th March 2005, 09:21 PM
So which year are we going to celebrate this 14th April?

Did Cholas begin celebrations?

:?

senthilkumaras
21st December 2005, 07:55 PM
dear sirs,
what mr.sudhama said is right for the most part except few:
We find marking of Tamizh seasons in Tholkappiyam as Perumbozhuthgal', each year divided into 6 seasons, each containing 2 seasons.Tholkappiyam mentions ilavaenil at ciththirai and vaikaasi[spring in april and may];but at present spring in Tamizh Nadu is in thai and maasi[january and february];which means there had been a shift in the positions of star constellations from the time of this record in the first Tamizh grammar book (and passed on from number of generations of masters and students upto the age of writing down of Tholkappiyam nool) to the present day - the aries(aadu iyal-mesha with aswini as first monthstar) constellation had moved from Tamizh spring day -january to april now;
That is:

Spring starts always at January 14 in Tamlzh Naadu;
The source of Tholkaappiyam says Aries(Mesha) constellation was usually seen at the start of Spring--Jan 14;
Presently Aries is seen as the evening star by April 21;

So we understand that January14 is the start of spring in Tamil Nadu geographically;and hence the New Year was and should be on Januar14 .
You may ask why Tholkaappiyam mentioned that springtime was during Chiththirai and Vaikaasi.It was because at the time of writing the script for Tamizhl grammar the Chiththirai star was seen as the evening star in the present January month.But over thousands of years the celestial positions of stars moved away{still moving--the scientists call this phenomenon "the red shift of stars" it is an Astronomical fact.}
Tholkapiyam may have been a rewritten version of an earlier grammar work { Agaththiyam or another ancient work- 100's of years even prior to the Tholkaappiyam era}
in the colloqial documentation style of the then present time.

Then how did the New year celebrations then changed to April 14! It was because in the later centuries of the 3rd Koodal Academy the Chozhar kings and the people were celebrating the INDIRA VIZHAA{Cilappadhigaaram} with so much fervour and cultural values for 1 month from chithirai pournami to the vaikaasi pournami that even after the 1 month-long festival was forgotten the auspice remained and in due course converted into the New year day celebration as a relic of the past.
Regarding star names:
Purananooru names the star signs upon the death of Mandaranjeral Irumborai.
Aadu Iyal-mesha rasi{Iyal-Rasi}
azhal kuttam-anusham
thalai meen-mirugaseerisham
nilai meen-the north star
thol naannmeen-moolam. etc.
and many more.
Ther is no mentioning of present prevailing Sanskrit names for Raasi and Year and STAR names.
So, the present Sanskrit names in Tamil Kaalakkanidham came from the mingling of {"akilabharatha koottam"} North Indian and THE South Indian astrologers some time later than 250 C.E. {end of the 3rd Koodal} (perhaps during the 11 th to 15 th centuries).

virarajendra
12th April 2006, 07:05 AM
This Year the Tamil New Year falls on the 14-4-2006 as per the Panchangams being the ''Viya Andu".

Sudhaama
13th April 2006, 04:50 AM
dear sirs,
what mr.sudhama said is right for the most part except few:
We find marking of Tamizh seasons in Tholkappiyam as Perumbozhuthgal', each year divided into 6 seasons, each containing 2 seasons.Tholkappiyam mentions ilavaenil at ciththirai and vaikaasi[spring in april and may];but at present spring in Tamizh Nadu is in thai and maasi[january and february];which means there had been a shift in the positions of star constellations from the time of this record in the first Tamizh grammar book (and passed on from number of generations of masters and students upto the age of writing down of Tholkappiyam nool) to the present day - the aries(aadu iyal-mesha with aswini as first monthstar) constellation had moved from Tamizh spring day -january to april now;
That is:

Spring starts always at January 14 in Tamlzh Naadu;
The source of Tholkaappiyam says Aries(Mesha) constellation was usually seen at the start of Spring--Jan 14;
Presently Aries is seen as the evening star by April 21;

So we understand that January14 is the start of spring in Tamil Nadu geographically;and hence the New Year was and should be on Januar14 .
You may ask why Tholkaappiyam mentioned that springtime was during Chiththirai and Vaikaasi.It was because at the time of writing the script for Tamizhl grammar the Chiththirai star was seen as the evening star in the present January month.But over thousands of years the celestial positions of stars moved away{still moving--the scientists call this phenomenon "the red shift of stars" it is an Astronomical fact.}
Tholkapiyam may have been a rewritten version of an earlier grammar work { Agaththiyam or another ancient work- 100's of years even prior to the Tholkaappiyam era}
in the colloqial documentation style of the then present time.

Then how did the New year celebrations then changed to April 14! It was because in the later centuries of the 3rd Koodal Academy the Chozhar kings and the people were celebrating the INDIRA VIZHAA{Cilappadhigaaram} with so much fervour and cultural values for 1 month from chithirai pournami to the vaikaasi pournami that even after the 1 month-long festival was forgotten the auspice remained and in due course converted into the New year day celebration as a relic of the past.
Regarding star names:
Purananooru names the star signs upon the death of Mandaranjeral Irumborai.
Aadu Iyal-mesha rasi{Iyal-Rasi}
azhal kuttam-anusham
thalai meen-mirugaseerisham
nilai meen-the north star
thol naannmeen-moolam. etc.
and many more.
Ther is no mentioning of present prevailing Sanskrit names for Raasi and Year and STAR names.
So, the present Sanskrit names in Tamil Kaalakkanidham came from the mingling of {"akilabharatha koottam"} North Indian and THE South Indian astrologers some time later than 250 C.E. {end of the 3rd Koodal} (perhaps during the 11 th to 15 th centuries).

The main factor of Tamilian Calendar is the SUN... which is the Royal-planet ruling over... not only all the other Eight planets...

...but also the central-force keeping the whole universe under equilibrium and balance of varying operations of one and all the celestial bodies in the space... astronomically too.

The Tamil year duration has been reckoned as 365.25 days, the time taken by Earth for one cycle around the Sun, the Central-pivotal-force supreme.

The date of entry of Sun into Mesha(aries) house... which is its location of EXALTED STATUS (Uccha)... falls on or about April-14 every year...

..which has been taken as the first day of the year as well as the Month Chiththirai....linking Moon position also with it. So to say the Pournami falls on Chiththirai star-day in the month of Chithirai, as is the basis for all other months too. I have elaborated on this point with full details, in my last posting

The Sun's Entry-time on the first day of Chithirai month is taken as the Zero-degree....the starting point for one circle of 360 degrees... along the course of all the 12 houses(Each of 30 degrees)

So the Tamil-calendar is the best one comparatively in the world... Scientifically and by Religious aspects too....as I had already justified.

Right from ancient days...Tamil-culture extols the Sun-planet highly. And the Sun was worshipped as Supreme God by Tamilians.

Silappadhikaaram... praises and prays the Sun-God as NJAAYIRHU POATRUDHUM.

srivatsan
13th April 2006, 05:21 AM
When I lived in Thailand, I was amazed by how similar their calender was to ours. Here're the names of their months (more or less, I may have made some small mistakes):

Makara khom
Kumpha yon
Meena khom
Mesa yon
Phuthsapha khom
Mithuna yon
Karakada khom
Singhaa khom
Kanyaa yon
Tulaa khom
Phruthsadyika yon
Thanwa khom

The months are now synchronised to the western calender (so Makara khom is identical to January). However, their traditional New Year's day - "songkran" - usually falls on approximately the same day as the Tamil varudapirappu.
Thailand, I think still follows Sanaathana Dharma

srivatsan
13th April 2006, 05:26 AM
I would recommend to call it "New Year" Instead of Tamil New year, though, it is anybody's personal wish to call it by any name they want...

Though, people from different state observes different new year,1st day of Chitra month shd be observed as the New Year for the country, for the following reason. In the month of chithra or Mesha masa, Sun, who is called as "aatma karakan" is in his exaltation or Uccha sthanam...Sun being atma karakan, takes care of one's self confidence and one's own personality.

There is a saying that, if in horoscope, Sun is in a good position, even if other planets are not in good position, it will be balanced by the Sun's power...So if new year is officially observed on this the Day when Sun is in his Exaltation, it willbe good for the Nation...

Sudhaama
13th April 2006, 05:11 PM
RELEGATING THE SCIENTIFIC TAMILIAN SYSTEM

...Funny British-Calendar!!

I reiterate ... that ONLY IN THE SYSTEM OF TAMIL-CALENDAR, the duration of the year and months... are completed within the same year...

... and NOT CARRIED OVER for correction in future.... like LEAP-YEAR in the English-Calendar.... or...

...ADHIKA-MAASAM as the 13th month in some years...according to Kannada and Telugu-New Year Calculations and so on.

According to Tamilian-system of Calendar, the Sun's movement in relation to Earth and Moon is exactly reckoned for each Tamil-month, during which period the Sun resides in the same house... the duration of which varying as 29 to 32 days...

So to say... in the month of Chiththirai ...the Sun is positioned in one and the same house Mesham(Aries).... between zero to 30 degrees of full orbit 360 degrees of one cycle....

...and similarly when the Sun is placed in the 2nd house...Rishaba..... between 30 to 60 degrees...the whole period of stay there is calculated as Vaikaasi. month...

... the name of the Month coinciding with the Pournami-day on the Visakam Star-day.... thus linking Sun and the Moon's movements on that month.... Similar case is applicable for all other Tamil-months too, linking with the respective Pournami- Star-day of the month

So the Horoscopes calculated on the basis of TAMIL-PANCHANGAM renders the Correct ones,.. unlike any other Calendar-Basis of the World... which may sometimay cause error... in the ultimate outcome.

Consequently the Astrological-predictions as well as Astronomical- forecasts can be more accurate and radically precise upto the minute second... only as per Tamil-Calendar.

The most significant, unconvincing and baseless factor discerning the English and Tamil-calendars... is the.... Commencement of each day... so to say 00-00 Hrs..

According to Tamil-calendar basis.... everyday is reckoned to start from the TIME OF SUNRISE....which no doubt varies from place to place and day to day also....

...which particulars are furnished in the Tamilian- Panchaangam daily.

In this respect, all the Indian- Panchaangams of the other Indian-regions too follow the same practice of Sunrise-time as the Zero hour of the day.

Whereas according to English-calendar... the day starts on the MIDNIGHT of previous Night-Hours..! ....

...Why Not Mid-Noon? ...Or other time?.. Why so?...On what basis and Scientific-logic?

No justification.... .but just a BASELESS STIPULATION!...

So for example.... if a child is born at 03-am on the night in between a Thursday the 14th and Friday the 15th...

...Its DATE OF BIRTH.... VARIES according to English and Tamil- Calendars.

...as Friday the 15th, as per English-calendar.... whereas it will be Thursday the 14th, as per Tamil-Calendar basis....

Is it NOT FUNNY.?....Since the date itself varies....for the Rudimentary factor even.

However the Whole World is following such a Day & Date-System... UNSCIENTIFICALLY and ILLOGICALLY...

... SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS the BRITISH..the most popular!!!

Sudhaama
14th April 2006, 07:52 PM
Lucky-day for SUCCESS: Significance of TAMIL-NEW YEAR.!

Dear Friends... If you are a BELIEVER IN AUSPICIOUS TIMINGS AND DAYS...

.. And if you have any Important and Great Life-time Ambition or Scheme or Plan to START...

...Well, it is the best opportunity to make a Beginning today at a good time...

Since the Significance of Tamil-New Year is... the day of SUCCESS...

Hence the Hindu-Keralites celebrate this day as Vishu-festival day... (with a unique custom of looking at the mirror... first at the early morning)....the Reflection of Fruits and other fertile Rich Substances, alongside God's picture.... praying for SUCCESS for the whole of ensuing year.

Same day is the New year day for the Hindu- Bengalis too... in the name of "NABA-BARSHA"...

And as BIHU by Assamese... and as BAISAKI festivals of Hariyana, Punjab and Himachal-Pradesh.

They too pray on this day for the ensuing year of Success.

Because Astrologically speaking... today the April-14th...the planet Sun changes House from Meenam the Guru's own House ...to the next House, Mesham, the Sun's exaltment(Uccha) House.

Both the Planets Guru(Jupiter) and Soorya(Sun) are the most important planets to render Success in ones Life.

So the influence of both these Good planets will be available to us in our Inaugural activities towards the future.

Wishing one and all of You.... the SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR....from today the April-14... Yaavarum Kaelhir.!!!

Anban,
Sudhaama.

Eelavar
14th April 2006, 08:02 PM
Welcome in the year 5107 !!

MylaiMalumi
20th August 2006, 08:33 AM
Dear Sir,

Your reasoning is correct, but conclusion that 'Funny bristish calendar' could be wrong. Or we have missed the point.

I always think British are Cunning, so with this mind if you look at this problem, Midnight in UK is 0530 hours in India. (sun does rise at this time in summer times & we do not have daylight saving hours but UK does have)
So probably they copied our calendar and then made Greenwich as
the reference.

As you know UK is at a North Latitude I am sure they cannot make
good observations of sun as we near the equator can do.

So if u look down in this line may be you will appreciate that they are smart & cunning.
On the other hand we are still looking more on the astrological side of it instead of applying it in astronomical point of view.
Am doing more study in this matter and will update with more info
as I find out.

Mylai



RELEGATING THE SCIENTIFIC TAMILIAN SYSTEM

...Funny British-Calendar!!

I reiterate ... that ONLY IN THE SYSTEM OF TAMIL-CALENDAR, the duration of the year and months... are completed within the same year...

... and NOT CARRIED OVER for correction in future.... like LEAP-YEAR in the English-Calendar.... or...

...ADHIKA-MAASAM as the 13th month in some years...according to Kannada and Telugu-New Year Calculations and so on.

According to Tamilian-system of Calendar, the Sun's movement in relation to Earth and Moon is exactly reckoned for each Tamil-month, during which period the Sun resides in the same house... the duration of which varying as 29 to 32 days...

So to say... in the month of Chiththirai ...the Sun is positioned in one and the same house Mesham(Aries).... between zero to 30 degrees of full orbit 360 degrees of one cycle....

...and similarly when the Sun is placed in the 2nd house...Rishaba..... between 30 to 60 degrees...the whole period of stay there is calculated as Vaikaasi. month...

... the name of the Month coinciding with the Pournami-day on the Visakam Star-day.... thus linking Sun and the Moon's movements on that month.... Similar case is applicable for all other Tamil-months too, linking with the respective Pournami- Star-day of the month

So the Horoscopes calculated on the basis of TAMIL-PANCHANGAM renders the Correct ones,.. unlike any other Calendar-Basis of the World... which may sometimay cause error... in the ultimate outcome.

Consequently the Astrological-predictions as well as Astronomical- forecasts can be more accurate and radically precise upto the minute second... only as per Tamil-Calendar.

The most significant, unconvincing and baseless factor discerning the English and Tamil-calendars... is the.... Commencement of each day... so to say 00-00 Hrs..

According to Tamil-calendar basis.... everyday is reckoned to start from the TIME OF SUNRISE....which no doubt varies from place to place and day to day also....

...which particulars are furnished in the Tamilian- Panchaangam daily.

In this respect, all the Indian- Panchaangams of the other Indian-regions too follow the same practice of Sunrise-time as the Zero hour of the day.

Whereas according to English-calendar... the day starts on the MIDNIGHT of previous Night-Hours..! ....

...Why Not Mid-Noon? ...Or other time?.. Why so?...On what basis and Scientific-logic?

No justification.... .but just a BASELESS STIPULATION!...

So for example.... if a child is born at 03-am on the night in between a Thursday the 14th and Friday the 15th...

...Its DATE OF BIRTH.... VARIES according to English and Tamil- Calendars.

...as Friday the 15th, as per English-calendar.... whereas it will be Thursday the 14th, as per Tamil-Calendar basis....

Is it NOT FUNNY.?....Since the date itself varies....for the Rudimentary factor even.

However the Whole World is following such a Day & Date-System... UNSCIENTIFICALLY and ILLOGICALLY...

... SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS the BRITISH..the most popular!!!

Sudhaama
18th September 2006, 08:12 AM
.
- Tamilian-Calendar: BEST SCIENTIFIC SYSTEM Globally.!




Dear Sir,...Your reasoning is correct, but conclusion that 'Funny bristish calendar' could be wrong. Or we have missed the point.

I always think British are Cunning, so with this mind if you look at this problem, Midnight in UK is 0530 hours in India. (sun does rise at this time in summer times & we do not have daylight saving hours but UK does have)

So probably they copied our calendar and then made Greenwich as
the reference.

As you know UK is at a North Latitude I am sure they cannot make
good observations of sun as we near the equator can do.

So if u look down in this line may be you will appreciate that they are smart & cunning.

On the other hand we are still looking more on the astrological side of it instead of applying it in astronomical point of view.

Am doing more study in this matter and will update with more info
as I find out.

Mylai


RELEGATING THE SCIENTIFIC TAMILIAN SYSTEM

...Funny British-Calendar!!

I reiterate ... that ONLY IN THE SYSTEM OF TAMIL-CALENDAR, the duration of the year and months... are completed within the same year...

... and NOT CARRIED OVER for correction in future.... like LEAP-YEAR in the English-Calendar.... or...

...ADHIKA-MAASAM as the 13th month in some years...according to Kannada and Telugu-New Year Calculations and so on.

According to Tamilian-system of Calendar, the Sun's movement in relation to Earth and Moon is exactly reckoned for each Tamil-month, during which period the Sun resides in the same house... the duration of which varying as 29 to 32 days...

So to say... in the month of Chiththirai ...the Sun is positioned in one and the same house Mesham(Aries).... between zero to 30 degrees of full orbit 360 degrees of one cycle....

...and similarly when the Sun is placed in the 2nd house...Rishaba..... between 30 to 60 degrees...the whole period of stay there is calculated as Vaikaasi. month...

... the name of the Month coinciding with the Pournami-day on the Visakam Star-day.... thus linking Sun and the Moon's movements on that month.... Similar case is applicable for all other Tamil-months too, linking with the respective Pournami- Star-day of the month

So the Horoscopes calculated on the basis of TAMIL-PANCHANGAM renders the Correct ones,.. unlike any other Calendar-Basis of the World... which may sometimay cause error... in the ultimate outcome.

Consequently the Astrological-predictions as well as Astronomical- forecasts can be more accurate and radically precise upto the minute second... only as per Tamil-Calendar.

The most significant, unconvincing and baseless factor discerning the English and Tamil-calendars... is the.... Commencement of each day... so to say 00-00 Hrs..

According to Tamil-calendar basis.... everyday is reckoned to start from the TIME OF SUNRISE....which no doubt varies from place to place and day to day also....

...which particulars are furnished in the Tamilian- Panchaangam daily.

In this respect, all the Indian- Panchaangams of the other Indian-regions too follow the same practice of Sunrise-time as the Zero hour of the day.

Whereas according to English-calendar... the day starts on the MIDNIGHT of previous Night-Hours..! ....

...Why Not Mid-Noon? ...Or other time?.. Why so?...On what basis and Scientific-logic?

No justification.... .but just a BASELESS STIPULATION!...

So for example.... if a child is born at 03-am on the night in between a Thursday the 14th and Friday the 15th...

...Its DATE OF BIRTH.... VARIES according to English and Tamil- Calendars.

...as Friday the 15th, as per English-calendar.... whereas it will be Thursday the 14th, as per Tamil-Calendar basis....

Is it NOT FUNNY.?....Since the date itself varies....for the Rudimentary factor even.

However the Whole World is following such a Day & Date-System... UNSCIENTIFICALLY and ILLOGICALLY...

... SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS the BRITISH..the most popular!!!

Dear Mylai-malumi,

I am sorry, you have not caught my point.

My comment ... IN RELATION TO TAMIL-CALENDAR...is only on the Various popular International Calendars...

... especially on the current British Calendar... which has become the INTERNATIONAL CALENDAR.

... superseding over the erstwhile Roman-Calendar.

Calendar and the related factors of Year and Month commencement timings and date...

... are all within the precincts of ASTRONOMY.... Not Astrology.

No doubt... Astrology is entirely dependant on Astronomy.

I am unable to understand what you mean as British-cunningness.

...Cunningness of anybody has nothing to do here.

And also... your point on G.M.T and 5-30 hours difference between India and UK... I am unable to understand.

What are you arriving at... related to British-calendar?

My comment on Calendars... PERTAINS TO THE WHOLE GLOBE...

... irrespective of any country... including India and UK.

The great founders of British-Calendar had missed several basic points, relevant.

.. Consequently constant confusion in all the aspects... including the Western-Astrology

... as also Astronomy.. which is based on British Calendar system

Please go through my earlier postings here in detail.. which can render a clear picture of my Reasoning and Conclusion..

I am glad to know that you are doing Indepth study / Research on the subject.

Well... in such a case, I suggest you to study on the

...Rudiments of Tamil-Calendar... in contrast and Comparison to the other popular Calendars.

I am sure... You will agree with me... how best the Tamil-Calendar System is...for Astronomy...

... as well as for Astrology and such other Inter-related Subjects too.

In any case... Fundamentally... for having the Mid-night 00-00 Hours as the Daily Commencement time ... for every Date...

... there is NO LOGIC.!... NOR SCIENTIFIC REASONING.!!..But Only CONFUSIONS!!
.

virarajendra
15th November 2006, 10:07 PM
Brought forward for the benefit of the new Readers

devapriya
4th December 2006, 07:03 PM
Weather all this names are Tamil? Why Tamil new year names are not in Tamil

Sudhaama
4th December 2006, 10:04 PM
[quote="devapriya"]Weather all this names are Tamil? Why Tamil new year names are not in Tamil[/quote

Good Question... All such Rudimentary factors and Questions... I have already clarified elaborately.

However in brief...

Tamil-Calendar is the ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD...

... where the Greatest Planet... by Religion and Science... the SUN...

... and the Most Earthly Planet... by Religion and Science.. the MOON ...

... are directly and well-involved... in its composition and framing. How?

Tamil-Calendar is based on SOORYA-MANA...reckoned on the movement of Sun...

... (adopted by Tamilians, Malayalees and Bengalis)

...unlike CHANDRA-MANA...reckoned on the movement of Moon

... (adopted by Telugus, Kannadigas and North Indians except Bengalis)

So by Tamil-Calendar... the commencement of the Year... SYNCHRONISES .. with the Zero degree of Astronomical calculations of 360 degrees of Orbit of Earth around Sun.

It also synchronises with the Time of Sun's entry into its most powerful and nearest position to Earth...

...Scientifically and by Religious Treatises like Puranas and Sasthras like Astrology as well...

...being its Exalted status (Ucha) in Mesha-Rasi... called CHITHIRAI MONTH.

Thus when the Earth completes one cycle around the Sun... One Year is EXACTLY COMPLETE...

...Unlike any OTHER CALENDAR IN THE WORLD.!!!

And each and every Tamil month is Complete... when the Earth completes its Onward-movement of every Segment of 30 degrees (Planetary House as per Astrology)... around the Sun.

Thus the Sun is given highest importance... as practically applicable too in Life.

Why the Names of Tamil-Years and some of the Months are NOT TAMIL?

While the Sun is linked in the Tamil-Calendar...Moon also is linked in another manner indirectly.

The Star-day when POURNAMI of the month occurs.. has been named for the respective month.

So to say... for example... the Pournami day in the month of Chithirai... occurs on the day of Chithirai Star.

Vaikasi month - Visakam Star
Aani month - Swathi Star ... (Aani is another name of Swathi star)
Karthikai month - Karthikai Star

Not all the names of the Tamil- Months are Sanskrit... but the names Aani, Aadi, Aavanhi, Purattaasi, Aippasi, Maargazhi, Thai, Maasi... are pure Tamil... linked with Pounami-Star of the month.

All the Hindus... (irrespective of Linguistic and other factors of segmentations)... do not consider Sanskrit as alien to them...

... Similar to Musilims use Arabic names, and Christians use Hebrew-names and Terminologies.

So all Vedic-followers name as... Karuna-kara, Daya-nidhi, Devi-dasa, Krupa and so on in Sanskrit too... apart from their respective mother-tongue

Soorya-mana followers including Tamilians celebrate all their Holy celebrations of the family... especially Marriages..

... during Day-time as...SOORYA-SAAKSHI... being Sun as the Visible Divine Witness.

While Chandra-mana followers.. including Telugus and Hindiites celebrate the Marriages...

... during Night as ...CHANDRA-SAAKSHI... being Moon as the Visible Divine-Witness
.

devapriya
16th December 2006, 08:02 PM
Friends,

Most of the Ancient Tradition in India is saved in Sanskrit rather Tamil.

First Day after
Amavasai/
Powrnami - Prathamai- Sanskrit 1- Prime minister and Prathamar
2nd day- THUVITHIYAI- tWO
3- Thrithiyai- Three
4- Chathurthi- chatur became Square and Quad
5 -Pancha became Penta and five and Tamil leaves p from Pancha
6 -Sashti- Sexta, and Hex and Six
7-Sapthami- Septamber and Septhagan
8-Ashtami- Octaber and Octogan
9- Novami- November
10 DASAMI- GAVE December

All world used Indian Tradtion.

devapriya
16th December 2006, 08:02 PM
Friends,

Most of the Ancient Tradition in India is saved in Sanskrit rather Tamil.

First Day after
Amavasai/
Powrnami - Prathamai- Sanskrit 1- Prime minister and Prathamar
2nd day- THUVITHIYAI- tWO
3- Thrithiyai- Three
4- Chathurthi- chatur became Square and Quad
5 -Pancha became Penta and five and Tamil leaves p from Pancha
6 -Sashti- Sexta, and Hex and Six
7-Sapthami- Septamber and Septhagan
8-Ashtami- Octaber and Octogan
9- Novami- November
10 DASAMI- GAVE December

All world used Indian Tradtion.

Sudhaama
17th December 2006, 12:47 AM
- Why the NUMBER OF DAYS of Tamil Months... VARY.?

According to Tamil-Calendar, if a person is born in the month of CHITHIRAI (Mesha) ...Almost between April-14 and May-15...

... we can easily identify that he/she was born during the period of Earth's transit from Zero degree to 30 degrees... of its Orbit around the Sun... Astronomically...

... which coincides with Astrology as the Mesha House... where the Sun is placed in that Horoscope.

Similarly... if he was born during the month of THAI (Makara)... Almost between Jan-14 and February 15...

... we can assert, that he was born while the Earth was on 10th Segment of 30 degrees each.... so to mean... between 270 and 300 degrees... Astronomically.

...which tallies with Astrology...as the Makara house.. where the Sun is placed in that Horoscope.

The Number of days of the Tamil months vary from Month to Month .. from 28 to 32 days... and NOT UNIFORM..

... although all the Segments of the months are of the same 30 degrees space. Why so?

The Orbit of Earth around Sun... if Circular.. the distance to pass through will be the same and equal for all the months, and will be uniform as the case of Degrees by Segment.

.. but since the Orbit is elliptical... although the speed of the movement of Earth is the same and uniform all through...

... the DISTANCE OF EACH SEGMENT of 30 degrees... VARIES.

So the duration to pass through, also varies accordingly.

Consequently the days of the months vary... synchronising with the entry and exit of the Earth in the respective segment.

Thus the Twelve Houses of Horoscope as per Astrology....

...Synchronise exactly with the Twelve Segments of 30 degrees by Astronomy...

.. as well as the Twelve months of the Tamil-Calendar...

The most IMPORTANT FACTOR is... there is NO EXTRA MONTH over 12 months in any year... similar to 13 months as per Chandra-mana in some years... including the so called ADHIKA MASA...

...Nor there is any variation of the Total days of the years in Tamil-Calendar... without any EXTRA DAY for Leap-year.

Rather the TAMIL CALENDAR IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD...

... where each One Cycle of Earth around Sun is exactly complete to the minutest degree and duration...

... synchronising with EACH YEAR.
.
...which system is UNPARALLEL AND UNIQUE...

...when compared to Any Calendar of the World.
.

sundararaj
18th December 2006, 12:55 PM
very good info. Thanks for all the contributors in this thread.

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:21 PM
Today is the Tamil New Year - Sarvasiththu Aaandu
Ennaiya Thalaththu Nanbarhalukku - Puththaandu Vaalththukkal

virarajendra
14th April 2007, 06:27 PM
Sorry something gone wrong with the Web Site - as result Greetings appears six times

Sudhaama
14th April 2007, 08:33 PM
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Year of VICTORY FOR ALL / IN ALL means SARVA-JITH!!!


Lucky-day for SUCCESS: Significance of TAMIL-NEW YEAR.!

Dear Friends... If you are a BELIEVER IN AUSPICIOUS TIMINGS AND DAYS...

.. And if you have any Important and Great Life-time Ambition or Scheme or Plan to START...

...Well, it is the best opportunity to make a Beginning today at a good time...

Since the Significance of Tamil-New Year is... the day of SUCCESS...

Hence the Hindu-Keralites celebrate this day as Vishu-festival day... (with a unique custom of looking at the mirror... first at the early morning)....the Reflection of Fruits and other fertile Rich Substances, alongside God's picture.... praying for SUCCESS for the whole of ensuing year.

Same day is the New year day for the Hindu- Bengalis too... in the name of "NABA-BARSHA"...

And as BIHU by Assamese... and as BAISAKI festivals of Hariyana, Punjab and Himachal-Pradesh.

They too pray on this day for the ensuing year of Success.

Because Astrologically speaking... today the April-14th...the planet Sun changes House from Meenam the Guru's own House ...to the next House, Mesham, the Sun's exaltment(Uccha) House.

Both the Planets Guru(Jupiter) and Soorya(Sun) are the most important planets to render Success in ones Life.

So the influence of both these Good planets will be available to us in our Inaugural activities towards the future.

Wishing one and all of You.... the SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR....from today the April-14... Yaavarum Kaelhir.!!!

Anban,
Sudhaama.

virarajendra
11th December 2007, 09:22 PM
Brought forward for the benefit of the New Readers

virarajendra
23rd January 2008, 10:35 PM
Brought forward to know the opinions of various Tamil Scholars on this subject.

Sudhaama
26th January 2008, 12:46 AM
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Decided to declare.. Tamil New Year.. from PONGAL DAY.!.

Tamilnadu Chief Minister Mr. Karunanidhi recently announced...

...that suitable action will be taken to declare...

...THAI-PONGAL Day as the Tamil-New Year day too... from 2009.

Justifying this decision... he quotes the recommendation of some Tamil Sch olars... who propose so...

...basing on Tamil-Literature.!

Is it Correct?... Does the Tamil Literature say so.?
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kalnayak
26th January 2008, 01:11 PM
Sudhama Sir,

I do not know whether any other linguistic group (of course Chinese name their years with specific animals just before new year arrival) has named their years or not as Tamils. If we accept Thai 1st as new year day, how shall we name.
Sorry I cannot accept Thai 1st as Tamil new year day as my parents, grand-parents, relatives etc. celebrated Chiththirai 1st as Tamil New year day. Any way I will celebrate Thai 1st as Pongal day.

Sudhaama
27th January 2008, 04:50 AM
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I have already posted here in detail... under several postings..

...analysing the rich intricacies and the unparallelly appreciable basis for our Great Tamil Ancestors'..

... decision to stipulate the Tamil New Year from the First date of entry of the planet Sun into Mesha Rasi..

.i.e. on or about April-14 every year.

Astronomically that is the best basis for relevant New year Poojas, Astrological calculations as well as other considerations pertaining to New Year.

In brief...I reiterate that Pongal day of Makara-sankaranthi is holy in one way... whille the Chiththirai first date is holy in another way.

Rather Chiththirai month is the commencement of Sun as UCHCHA (Exalted) becoming the most powerful...

..when compared to other months of the year.

Sun being the Planet of Power, Justice and Success... His most powerful month has been taken as the month of commencement of New Year .

Whereas the Pongal day is a day of Gratitude to Sun and Nature as also all others concerned including the Animals and Birds....

.. apart from the Mankind of the Society at large.

Such a Pongal concept has no relevance nor purpose linked with the sense and basis for New Year.

The present system of Chithrai as the commencement to ensure the whole year to be successful..

...by means of honouring our ruling Planet Sun during his Crown status ..

...by exaltation in the month of Chiththirai... is the best system to be continued.

For Tamilians the Planet Sun is the MOST IMPORTANT for all considerations
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aanaa
4th February 2008, 01:08 AM
so what will happen ?

Sudhaama
4th February 2008, 02:36 AM
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so what will happen ?

There will be No Government HOLIDAY...

..on the REAL Tamil New Year Day... as per Hindu Custom.

...the Zero degree Commencing point of 365 days cycle.

..which conforms to Astrology and Astronomy of Vedic Sastras.

Whereas the Thai -1.. has no connection for the Calendar Year.

..except the relevance as the Final day of Grateful prayer to Sun God... for about 3 months..

...after commencing the Sun-prayer... at Sunrise on Deepavali day.

One Doubt.!.. Should the factor of Tamil Panchangam coupled NEW YEAR...

... be decided by Pulavars and Politicians..?.

.. Especially the Atheists... who know Not the values of Vedic Science.?

..Or the Vedic Astronomers.???
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aanaa
4th February 2008, 07:31 PM
but Chiththrai Tamil New year and Sinhala New year always falls on the same same day

but
Telugu
Malayalam
Kannada
new year fall on different dates

reason ?

Sudhaama
4th February 2008, 08:36 PM
but Chiththrai Tamil New year and Sinhala New year always falls on the same same day

but
Telugu
Malayalam
Kannada
new year fall on different dates

reason ?

I have already described hereabove... in the previous pages, analytically...

...in the Global perspective... comparing other Calendars...

..including our International Calendar...

..which we are adopting for our day to affairs as well as the Government and Professional functions.

I have also justified as to how Tamilian Calendar System of reckoning the New Year from the time of entry of Sun into Mesha-Raasi on or about every April-14...

..well synchronises SCIENTIFICALLY with Astronomy... a common subject for all..

..irrespective of Religious and National aspects.

Consequently Tamilian Calendar alone is able to be total and wholly complete by every month...

...since exclusively linked with the movement of Sun.. so called SOORYA- MAANA... but coupled with Lunar aspects too.

Rather Tamil Calendar Starting from Chiththirai alone has been proved stable and uniform for every year... since it is mainly based on Sun.

Whereas others whose Calendars are based on CHANDRA MAANA... they also are totally correct...

..and the Horoscopes based on such Panchangams also have been found correct with no problems.

But comparatively we get nil problems in Horoscopic or any such Sacred affairs by Tamil Calendar from Chiththirai...

..while others get problems in cumbersome calculations in Chandra-maana, based on Moon...

..especially in the aspects of Adhika Maasa... making the year of 13 months occasionally.

Both these systems have their own values and merits in different ways...

..but on the whole Tamilian Calendar... coinciding with Malayalam, Bengali and Oriya customs is acclaimed to be the most convenient and practical with least problems in the long run.

While the months calculations are same and similar in cases of such Soorya Maana followers...as above..

..Only in case of Malayalam Calendar Chiththirai is not their New year month...

...although they Celebrate the Tamil New year day as CHITHTHIRAI VISHU.

But Bengali and Oriya New Year days are same as...

...Tamil New Year day... on the first date of Chiththirai month.
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aanaa
7th February 2008, 07:09 PM
thanks Suthaama for the info/

Sudhaama
10th April 2008, 04:03 AM
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. Wish you All.. Happy TAMIL NEW YEAR 2008.!!!


Dear Sir,

I have read with much interest many of your commentries and views on religion, philosophy etc.,

I have searched in vain to find out when Tamil New Year 2008 actually dawns. Is it in the early hours of the 13th of April or is it the wee hours of April 14th?

I'm Malayaali and observe Vishu. My inlaws are Tamil Brahmins and the panjaangam says 13th for Chithira varusha pirappu.

Any thoughts...?

Thank you and with respect,
Shoba

Dear Shoba,

Thank you very much for the amount of affection and regard towards me.

It is true... that we become happy by making others happy..

So I feel pleasure to deliver something useful to others.

Regarding your Question on Tamil New Years day this year...

..It falls on SUNDAY the 13th date of April 2008.. unusually earlier.

With Best Wishes,
Sudhaama
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csn61
11th January 2009, 11:36 PM
Dear Friends,

I am from originally from Bangalore living in Chennai from last 2 years. I used to wish my Tamil friends, happy pongal on Jan 14 and Puththanadu vazhthugaL on April 14.

1. Now that Govt has canceled april 14 , we should not say puththaNdu vazthugal on april 14?

2. In fact should we say pongal-o pongal, and puththaNdu vazrthugal on the same day, one after the other?

3. Is this a permanent arrangement in calendar , will it affect Tamil panchangams? Have they updated the panchangams?

4. In fact is this only for DMK Govt duration?

5. what will happen if AnnaDMK comes to power in TN next?
Will they reinstate April 14 just to get back at the rival DMK?

Is this a Political gimmick?

How do Tamil priests and Vedic scholars feel about this change?

Please some enlightened souls let me know


Regards

Nagesh
Chennai

Sudhaama
12th January 2009, 12:10 AM
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.Tamilians NOT SWAYED by POLITICAL INTERFERENCES.!

Politicians NOT QUALIFIED to FIND FAULT with Astronomers.!

Great Tamilian ASTRONOMERS... have ALREADY prescribed...

...CONVINCINGLY.!.. as the BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.!...

..Not only for Tamilians.... but also for the whole MANKIND.!

..as Chiththirai-1 (April-14) only... APT NEW YEAR-DAY.


...for all Considerations... especially for Astrology.!

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Dear Friends,
............
1. Now that Govt has canceled april 14 , we should not say puththaNdu vazthugal on april 14?

2. In fact should we say pongal-o pongal, and puththaNdu vazrthugal on the same day, one after the other?

3. Is this a permanent arrangement in calendar , will it affect Tamil panchangams? Have they updated the panchangams?

4. In fact is this only for DMK Govt duration?

5. what will happen if AnnaDMK comes to power in TN next?
Will they reinstate April 14 just to get back at the rival DMK?

Is this a Political gimmick?

How do Tamil priests and Vedic scholars feel about this change?

Please some enlightened souls let me know




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I have already posted here in detail... under several postings..

...analysing the rich intricacies and the unparallelly appreciable basis for our Great Tamil Ancestors'..

... decision to stipulate the Tamil New Year from the First date of entry of the planet Sun into Mesha Rasi..

.i.e. on or about April-14 every year.

Astronomically that is the best basis for relevant New year Poojas, Astrological calculations as well as other considerations pertaining to New Year.

In brief...I reiterate that Pongal day of Makara-sankaranthi is holy in one way... whille the Chiththirai first date is holy in another way.

Rather Chiththirai month is the commencement of Sun as UCHCHA (Exalted) becoming the most powerful...

..when compared to other months of the year.

Sun being the Planet of Power, Justice and Success... His most powerful month has been taken as the month of commencement of New Year .

Whereas the Pongal day is a day of Gratitude to Sun and Nature as also all others concerned including the Animals and Birds....

.. apart from the Mankind of the Society at large.

Such a Pongal concept has no relevance nor purpose linked with the sense and basis for New Year.

The present system of Chithrai as the commencement to ensure the whole year to be successful..

...by means of honouring our ruling Planet Sun during his Crown status ..

...by exaltation in the month of Chiththirai... is the best system to be continued.

For Tamilians the Planet Sun is the MOST IMPORTANT for all considerations
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Arthi
12th January 2009, 01:13 AM
Sudhamaji,

Your posts about how Tamil Calender is accurate is logical and winning over and ofcourse informative :D

why politicians are poking their nose everywhere??? :x

NOV
12th January 2009, 05:51 AM
No government has the right to interfere in the practice of religion, as long as it does not deny the rights of others.

As far as Malaysia is concerned, Pongal is Pongal and Puththaandu will always be in April. All media (TV, Radio, Newspapers) celebrate Pongal as a thanksgiving day.

All this nonsense of withdrawing the original new year date, will be forgotten through the passage of time.

Wishing everyone a Happy Pongal!

Surya
20th April 2009, 12:42 PM
No government has the right to interfere in the practice of religion, as long as it does not deny the rights of others.

As far as Malaysia is concerned, Pongal is Pongal and Puththaandu will always be in April. All media (TV, Radio, Newspapers) celebrate Pongal as a thanksgiving day.

All this nonsense of withdrawing the original new year date, will be forgotten through the passage of time.

Wishing everyone a Happy Pongal!

Thala!! Kalakiteenge!! :clap: :clap:

NOV
24th August 2011, 02:18 PM
http://newstodaynet .com/newsindex. php?id=24468% 20&%20section= 6

Tamil New Year back to Chithirai

*NT Bureau | Tue, 23 Aug, 2011,01:50 PM*
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In a significant move, the Tamilnadu Assembly today passed a Bill shifting
back the Tamil New Year to the original month of Chithirai (mid-April),
laying to rest the previous DMK government's out of the blue declaration of
changing the age-old practice to mid-January.

The Bill tabled in the House by Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments
Minister S P Shanmuganathan said that members of the public, archealogical
experts, pundits, astronomy exponents and others have expressed the opinion
that the DMK goverment's 2008 decision to shift the Tamil New Year was
against the practice of centuries.

'They requested the government to revert the Tamil New Year to the month of
Chithirai,' the Bill said and added that there are a lot of practical
difficulties among the people to celebrate Pongal as the Tamil New year Day.

'Hence it has been decided to declare once again the first day of Chithirai
as the Tamil New Year day,' the Bill said.

When the Bill was tabled, CPI(M) MLA A Soundararajan and CPI legislator
Guasekaran said that they opposed the Bill and requested the Speaker to send
it to the Standing Committee.

Later, the Bill was taken up for discussion through a resolution brought by
Finance Minister and Leader of the House O Panneerselvam and was passed as
Law.

The Tamilnadu government in 2008 decided to declare the first day of the
Tamil month Thai as the Tamil New Year Day.

According to the previous regime, the decision was taken in view of the
'consensus' amongst Tamil scholars that the first of Thai is the first day
of the Tamil year.

'Till now, the people celebrated 14 April (the first of Chithirai, an
auspicious month for conducting marriages) as Tamil New Year Day.

Now those who celebrate Pongal as the festival of Tamils can celebrate it as
Tamil New Year Day also with redoubled joy', the erstwhile government said.

Former Chief Minister M Karunanidhi, while inaugurating the Chennai
Sangamam, a 'controversial' cultural extravaganza, had announced that Thai 1
would henceforth be celebrated as Tamil New Year Day along with Pongal, the
festival of harvest.

Cinemarasigan
24th August 2011, 02:35 PM
One more good thing done by ADMK Govt.. :clap:

lydayaxobia616
5th February 2012, 08:04 AM
I have already described hereabove... in the previous pages, analytically...

...in the Global perspective... comparing other Calendars...

.......

..Only in case of Malayalam Calendar Chiththirai is not their New year month...

...although they Celebrate the Tamil New year day as CHITHTHIRAI VISHU.

But Bengali and Oriya New Year days are same as...

...Tamil New Year day... on the first date of Chiththirai month.
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The influence of Buddhism spread by King Ashoka has created a common festival in the Cholamandal coastal (TN, Andhra, Orissa, Bengal, West Bengal), Srilanka and other Indo-China bordering countries like Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam.

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