Topic started by vohsendhan (@ rev.tatanova.com) on Wed Apr 17 11:15:10 .
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Sanatana Adharma

Mahabharata refers not only to the seizing of women by force but also to their sharing.

“Draupadi was shared by the five Pandava brothers and had five sons from them.(Adi Parvan-CCXXI).

Kunti was shared by Dharma, Vayu and Indra and gave birth to Yudhistira, Bhima and Arjuna from them(Adi Parvan-CXXIII) and Madri who gave birth to Nakula and Sahadeva was shared by the Ashwini Kumaras(Adi Parvan –CXXIV).

Justifying this custom, Yudhisthira not only states that it was a righteous practice followed by the ancestors of the Pandavas, but he even refers to Gautami being the wife of seven rsis (rishis) and Vurski being shared by the ten pracetasa brothers in the past(Adi Parvan –CXCV. CXCVII).

Vyasa has described this practice as Sanatana Dharma (Adi Parvan. CXXII, CXCVII).

The historian L B Keny also emphasizes that “the dialogue between Pandu and Kunti confirms the existence of this Sanatana Dharma where society had no sex-restrictions and women roamed about freely seeking satisfaction of their sex desires” Pages 30-33-Bharata war and Puranic Genealogies- Paper presented by L B Keny and edited by D C Sirkar and published by the University of Calcutta’s Centre of Advanced Study in Ancient History and Culture).

DC Sirkar is also of the same opinion.

Please be aware of it my dear friends!

Responses:

• From: Indian (@ bl1051-3.me.iastate.edu) on: Wed Apr 17 21:23:31
  
  Vohsendhan,
  
  Please give the approppriate verse which tells it is correct to take a woman by force without her permission.
  
  Dont bluff without proof.
  
  
• From: vohsendhan (@ 202.88.133.66) on: Sat Apr 20 10:13:37
  
  You can refer your doubts to the Calcutta University if you are interested in truth. How do you know that I bluff even when you do not know the verses and want me to enlighten you.
  
  
• From: Indian (@ bl1051-3.me.iastate.edu) on: Sat Apr 20 21:26:25
  
  I know the verses in Ramayan, Mahabharat if you are talking about that.
  
  Why should I ask the calcutta varsity you bengali muslim.
  
  Your posts portray that you are a antihindu fascist muslim.
  
  
• From: Mustafoyev (@ 203.121.0.11) on: Sat Apr 20 22:34:55
  
  Vohsendhan,
  
  If you are a muslim, I present the following quotes to you.
  
  If you are not a muslim. please ignore them.
  
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  Excerpts from Ayatollah Khomeini Book
  
  Ayatollah Khomeini:
  
  "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her
  life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives.The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister."
  
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  "It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
  
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  "A man can have sex with animals such as sheep¹s, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
  
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  "If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."
  
  - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
  
  
• From: visu (@ dialpool-210-214-221-203.maa.sify.net) on: Mon May 20 07:22:09
  
  p ig
  s hit
  
  
• From: visu (@ 202.9.183.203) on: Mon May 20 09:14:08
  
  bcos,
  1.u cant take epics as true representation.
  
  2.women are treated as slaves in all relegion.
  
  3.in tamizh history also, parathhayar- thalaivan relationship is highlighted more than thalaivan thalaivi. does it mean tamils follwed parathayar system and oruvanuku oruthi was not followed. rajaraja cholan married 12 or 14 woman. what to say(reason is political)
  
  
• From: Aryan Gold (@ koch.econ.iastate.edu) on: Mon May 20 13:33:34
  
  Go Poonul-Power!!!
  We did it once, we mighty Aryans will beat the a** out of you dravidians
  
  
• From: visu (@ 202.9.183.203) on: Mon May 20 14:06:30
  
  Aryan gold : go and drink panchakavyam after talking bad words.
  (16 times facing east direction)
  
  
• From: Aryan Gold (@ koch.econ.iastate.edu) on: Mon May 20 14:41:26
  
  dravidians are as dumd as those black africans. no intelligence....we Aryans are supreme and will remain supreme.....go ARYAVRATA!!!!
  
  This forum has been bashing aryans and brahmins, now it is time to pay dearly for doing that. You do not know the power of the poonul... krinvanto VISHWAM ARYAM.....
  
  dravidians su*k as*
  
  
• From: AntiFreaks (@ 203.121.0.11) on: Mon May 20 19:58:09
  
  Aryan Gold,
  
  You are not a Hindu; aren't you?
  
  You are here with vested interest, correct?
  
  
• From: visu (@ 202.9.183.149) on: Mon May 20 22:43:44
  
  NEGLECT THE ARYAN GOLD WHO PROVOKE OTHERS.
  
  
• From: Hemang Bhatt (@ cache9-nott.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Jan 5 09:08:23
  
  I am a believer in Vedic religion and have read vedas.
  
  I strongly believe that there has been 1000% or more of additions by wrong people in due course since the 'Mahabharata' was written and so it is with most other books (except the 4 vedas).
  
  I believe the vedic system which is pure and right and which allows one man to marry one woman only.
  
  Please use Vedas to prove what you are saying because it is what Krishana and Ram went to learn when they were kids and they did not learn geeta or ramayana unlike most people do today.
  
  Even after reading vedas if you have questions then do contact me and I will come up with 100% proof.
  
  Many thanks
  Namaste
  
  
• From: Rahul (@ 61.1.246.194) on: Fri Feb 21 18:11:40
  
  Please do not get confused with "Brahmins" A "Brahmin" is one who has the knowledge of "Brahman" (though this is not the case today as all brahmins today may not have that knowledge) So, there are brahmins in almost all races of India. The learnt people amongst Dravidians and other sects claimed themselves as brahmins. Similarly, learned people amongst other sects in India claimed themselves as Brahmins. So, one must not say that brahmins are Aryans. Ofcourse, there are Aryan Brahmins as well.
  
  
• From: Grace (@ 142.46.54.4) on: Tue Mar 18 13:33:40
  
  I say all this sh*t is sickening. For one thing...not all women are treated as slaves in all religions. and fuc*ing cows or sheep is discusting w/e. how could a man live with himself after doing that. thats illegal in my country. sick sh*t yo. dayummmmm iuno wut ur pplz problem is. cow fuc*ers
  
  
• From: krishna (@ cache-syd-aa02.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Mar 19 08:33:12
  
  Ariya(G)old(ignorant oldman)
  """This forum has been bashing aryans and brahmins.."
  
  Would you consider the following quote as brahmin bashing? Infact it questions the superstitions and idiotic ideals of brahmins...when some one wanna educate and enlighten the idiotic bramins...that cannot be considered as bashing..but bathing to clean up their ignorance..
  
  
  Quote:
  Ashwameda yagam only helped people to eat meat and not to drive out the Englishmen. The smoke emanating from the yaga pits could not waft before the smoke from the gun fire of the conquerors.
  “The Sankarachari peetam was not lying vacant at those times and in fact there was an incumbent then. Could he not have forestalled the Whitemen by performing yagam? Why did the brahmins, who called themselves as devas on earth, begin to wind up their shops at the advent of the Whitemen?
  “Where had the strength and power of the yagam and yogam gone? What became of the disguise they put on to cheat the great Dravidian people? What became of their powerful weapons like Pasupathasthiram, Varunasthiram, Vayuasthiram, Agniasthiram, Mohanasthiram, Indirasthiram, Ramabanam, Trisulam, Dhandam, Gathai, Mahavall, etc. with which they used to bamboozle the gullible and innocent Sudras then? The Westerners’ invasion and the wind of change it brought with it only tended to falsify those cock and bull stories of the Aryans and helped to make our people enlightened. Only after that, people found out that all that talk of yagam and yogam were only the instruments the brahmins invented to deceive people, so that they might live in comfort at the expense of others. It is then our people began to realise that countries like Britain, France and America are thriving well even though they have not heard of yagams at all and that Robert Clive was able to conquer this country only with the help of guns and not by doing penance in a secluded place by the side of lotus ponds. People began to realise the tyranny of the brahmins. They began to oppose brahminism after seeing for themselves that in a country where they worship the goddess Saraswathi, said to hold the portifolio of education, 99% are illiterate, where they worhip another goddess Lakshmi, said to hold the portifolio of wealth, there is abject poverty and where they worship yet another goddess Sakthi, said to hold the portifolio of power and might, there are poor specimens of human beings, weaklings and veritable scare-crows and that in countries where there are no such battalions of gods and goddesses, prosperity is blooming . It is then that the muthrathigaris had their noses cut, like the old brahmin sages.”
  Unquote
  
  
• From: Gayatri (@ 216-99-244-80-hou-02.cvx.algx.net) on: Sun Jul 13 03:15:06
  
  There are many misconceptions about Hinduism but it is all due to the ignorance that these people possess. Instead of criticizing others one must learn to respect different beliefs. A religion is something that teaches us to be respectful of each other and try to understand one another so we can live in harmony. Any religion that says any different is a cult. There is only one God and everyone tries to reach him in a different way, that way isnt necessarily wrong, it is just different. Jesus, Allah and Bhagawan are all names of God, so please dont disrespect God for he is the one who created all of us equally.
  
  
• From: gopalan (@ 202.41.104.94) on: Sun Jul 13 04:59:18 EDT 2003
  
  try telling that to laden and company! or to some christians who frequent this forum! or some aryan supremacists! or even to some dravidianists!
  
  

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