Topic started by Karthik (@ proxy.freightliner.com) on Fri Sep 29 17:22:02 .
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I read in indiainfo.com a news item which might interest you guys. Mohajirs (muslims who migrated to pak. from India) and all the sindh and baluchi leaders met in London and have declared that the creation of pakistan as a historical blunder. This was stated by Mohajir Quami Movement leader Altaf Hussain.

I also read a couple of reports in a western online newspaper i cannot recount which one, the american diplomats have given pakistan a maximum of 20 yrs to survive after which it would splinter.

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• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:05:26 EST 2004
  
  Continued....
  
  In that case, human cognition, whether involving logic or not, would be the only available tool/faculty based on which each individual would express his/her worldviews, and in no case one could ever present something that is beyond his/her cognitive ability, which would also include concepts of “God”. The same cognition is used to reject those concepts that contradict each other.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:08:26 EST 2004
  
  >>How reason itself has been critiqued by philosophers?
  
  Using what philosophers critique reason? It cannot be other than reason itself. Then what base one is left with to reject that reason of other reason? Again it cannot be other than reason itself. The whole argument against reason falls apart, as it involves self-referential arguments similar to “This statement can neither be proved or disproved”. One, who accepts this statement, must also follow it through and that includes the statement “ This statement can neither be proved or disproved” which itself gets negated for its universal validity and leaves with an option that some statements can be proved and some can’t be proved, but it is not true that all statements can't be proved or disproved.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:12:31 EST 2004
  
  continued.....
  
  For example, if one makes the statement “ the existence or non-existence of an non-existence entity can be neither proved nor disproved” is inherently inconsistent as the term “non-existence” itself proves its non-existence.
  
  Yet one more example if one says, “nothing exists”. Does this mean that something that is conceived as “nothing” really exists? Or does it mean the negation of everything that could exist? Thus, my proof comes to conclude that “God” would come under this category of “nothing” that is variously conceptualised as “something”.
  
  In case, if you are not aware of, the term “exists” itself is not a predicate, unless the “entity” being described has some perceptual/factual value.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:13:35 EST 2004
  
  continued.....
  
  In the fifth meditation Descartes gave a version of the ontological argument for the existence of “God”. The idea was to prove that the notion of non-existence of God is a contradiction. It was Kant who objected to this Descartes’s formulation of Ontological Argument, and one of his reason for objecting it was that, in his view, existence is not a property, i.e. that “exist” is not a genuine predicate unless furnished with some genuine facts about the “entity”. Now, it is not difficult to grasp that just “Don’t know” on its own cannot exists unless entity has some perceptual/factual value.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:18:01 EST 2004
  
  Now, it is not difficult to grasp that just “Don’t know” on its own cannot exist, unless the* entity has some perceptual/factual value attached to it.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:18:57 EST 2004
  
  So, I firmly remain in a position to leave the final challenge still open for anyone to disprove my above proof, rejecting “God = G” of the two possible but contradicting God formats i.e. RRU and RRR, collapsing the whole God system. ;-))
  
  [God = G](XOR)[HC]
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:33:36 EST 2004
  
  And yes, of course, the “Don’t know” condition would still transform into either “Real-True” or “Unreal-False”, depending on individual’s cognition and its root source.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Mon Nov 1 19:43:41 EST 2004
  
  Correction:
  For example, if one makes the statement “ the existence or non-existence of an non-existent* entity can be neither proved nor disproved” is inherently inconsistent as the term “non-existent*” itself proves its non-existence.
  
  
• From: geno (@ 61.2.33.229) on: Thu Nov 4 13:11:05 EST 2004
  
  Rohit :
  
  As i told you on october 20th itself, your ID "Rohit" has been hijacked by these religious fundamentalists and they have started a thread called :
  
  "The recent Genome research and the Indian legends"
  
  http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=194
  
  using ur ID.
  
  Please report to admins.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Thu Nov 4 15:35:04 EST 2004
  
  Geno,
  
  That does not trouble me at all, instead it only proves the severity of dissonance being experienced by the impostor. Everyone knows who that impostor is; and obviously he must be desperate, as all his hopes are shattered and he has no choice other than to use my name “Rohit” to secure his salvation.
  
  It is not new that these impostors have been heedlessly using such unavailing superimposition in order to keep their delusions alive for thousands and thousands of years and this time it cannot be different.
  
  Thanks! ;-))
  
  
• From: geno (@ 61.2.33.229) on: Thu Nov 4 15:43:19 EST 2004
  
  But i want u there in new hub Rohit!
  
  There are some threads like the one on "freedom of expression" thread named "A greek masks: .." in misc section i told u about and also "does god exist" thread - where u can occassionally contribute
  
  :=)
  
  I definitely feel that the new hub needs ur presence too, whenever u find time - so that we wud be enthralled to read ur posts!
  
  :=)
  
  OK! tahe care :=)
  
  
• From: geno (@ 61.2.33.229) on: Thu Nov 4 15:43:28 EST 2004
  
  But i want u there in new hub Rohit!
  
  There are some threads like the one on "freedom of expression" thread named "A greek masks: .." in misc section i told u about and also "does god exist" thread - where u can occassionally contribute
  
  :=)
  
  I definitely feel that the new hub needs ur presence too, whenever u find time - so that we wud be enthralled to read ur posts!
  
  :=)
  
  OK! take care :=)
  
  
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