Topic started by s.kari (@ 203-195-180-168.now-india.net.in) on Mon Oct 15 05:39:48 .
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Dravidian leaders are basically cowards. They meekly surrender before Delhi Sultans.Anna once said " If I don't get Dravida Nadu (Dravidasthan, a homeland of Dravidians) I will go to graveyard".Not even a single police was required to frighten him.The next day Nehru said that those who speak of seccionism will not be allowed to contest election. Anna withdrew immediately. The supposedly great Periyar always sided with ruling party. These idiots had no guts to stop the caste hindus perparating atrocities against Dalits in TamilNadu. But they were busy fooling us with the stupid reservation. When we don't have a right to live, what is the need of reservation. Periyar is worst racist and a true brahminist. he wanted to throw brahmins out of power and put the powerful backward caste in brahmins place. He is a follwer of Manu. To him the hirarchy is
Non brahmin Forward Castes
Backward Castes
Brahmins
Scheduled Castes
These cowards never condemned masscares against Dalits.During Anna's regime 44 dalits were massacred at Nagai District. During Karunanidhis regime, gen.Dyer was put to shame by the killing 17 Dalits at Tirunelveli. They speak of Tamil Nationalism, but always fear central govt.

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• From: prakash (@ hse-toronto-ppp314873.sympatico.ca) on: Thu Oct 18 18:16:22
  
  Kari,
  
  May I ask why you support Eelam? Are you planning on migrating to eelam if and when it is formed?
  
  
• From: vetri (@ clt-pxy01.firstunion.com) on: Fri Oct 19 09:44:51
  
  Prakash,
  
  Thanks for bringing in a good thought. It would be a great idea to migrate to a new land where people live without caste/religion differences and people who are highly self-disciplined and committed(another social evil of corruption won't be there) and above all a 'Beautiful Thamilzh' exists.
  
  
• From: s kari (@ 203-195-180-92.now-india.net.in) on: Fri Oct 19 10:12:00
  
  Prakash
  I have my duty for my motherland "INDIA", to get rid of the racist periyarist. I Support Tamil EELAM because only then Tamil people who are subjected to ethnic cleanising by Sinhaleese can like in peace. Beleive me, EELAM TAMILS or LTTE never supports TamilNadu seccession from India.Having a friendly EELAM besides our India will be a great advantage to us.People compare EELAM struggle with Kashmir and Punjab. WERE ANY MOSQUE OR GURUDWARA BOMBED BY INDIAN GOVT. See the Sinhaleese thugs bomb even the temples. Prabakaran took to arms on seeing a Shiva temple priest burnt alive by Sinhaleese thugs. Besides being a Dalit and faced with the oppression of Caste Hindus, I know the plight of Tamils there. All Tamils unite to fight for Tamil EELAM and throw the racist Periyarist and their Taliban thugs out of T.N
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 129.212.138.130) on: Fri Oct 19 11:43:40
  
  Vetri:
  
  "It would be a great idea to migrate to a new land where people live without caste/religion differences"
  
  Is that why we have Velu "Pillai" Prabhakaran?
  
  
• From: vetri (@ clt-pxy01.firstunion.com) on: Fri Oct 19 12:54:44
  
  "Velu Pillai" is his father's name(previous generation). Notice that it's not 'Prabhakaran Pillai'.
  
  
• From: s kari (@ 203-195-176-38.now-india.net.in) on: Fri Oct 19 13:28:27
  
  Don't compare Prabakaran with the racist periyarist. "Pillai" is just a name and not a caste. We Dalits don't mind you keeping caste name.After a rare OBC leader Mr.Moopanar is known by his caste name only. But he is the one of a very few leaders who can treat a Dalit as his equal. But Ramdas does not have caste sur name. But his hands are soaked with dalits blood. So don't go by names. Also the point Mr.Vetri is very valid. And prabakaran is born in Karavar caste and not Pillai as you think. (Prabakaran doesn't beleive in caste system or fundamentalism)
  
  
• From: prakash (@ hse-toronto-ppp312262.sympatico.ca) on: Sat Oct 20 09:55:08
  
  >>. Prabakaran took to arms on seeing a Shiva temple priest burnt alive by Sinhaleese thugs. <<
  
  What ever might have caused him to take up arms, do you approve of what he has become today? i.e., recruiting children through coercion, abduction, etc. The original cause and means may have been sound, but what it has become today is one man's ego and life goal at the cost of thousands of lives including that of the child soldiers.
  
  
• From: s kari (@ 203-195-180-78.now-india.net.in) on: Sat Oct 20 13:50:42
  
  Dear Prakash
  These are all malicous propaganda against LTTE. LTTE is after all a militant group fighting Sinhaleese army. The anti-national forces in tamil Nadu, which is bereft of any leaders, projects Prabakaran. This has created an impression LTTE wants separation from India. Indian media already in the illusion that LTTE is against India easily fell into the propagation of Sri Lanka. They accuse LTTE of having links with Osama Bin Laden on one side and massacre of Muslims in Sri Lanka on other side .Can both Be true ? Will Taliban have links with an organisation which shot dead the Muslims.
  
  Reg Child soldiers, how can a militant group fighting an army win so many battles with a large percentage of child soldiers. Their speech makes young people to join them. But these persons are not abducted. Also since there are so many displaced persons, orphans etc, the boys in teen wants to take revenge and join LTTE. LTTE should not take boys below in its rank. Please visit the site eelam.com, tamilcanadian.com and sangam.org. read Prabakaran's interview.
  
  EELAM is a goal of Tamil people in ceylon not only that of Praba or LTTE
  
  LTTE might of erred in fighting with other groups. But they are disciplined. They never committed rape (which is very rare thing in a militant group), they fight for women's liberation. They never kill innocent civilians wantonly. there may be in cross fir or accidental bomb blast.
  
  Prabakaran is a true warrior. remember last year, LTTE successfully overran many army bases and it came close to capturing Jaffna. Around 35,000 SriLankan soldiers are held up in Jaffna.LTTE didnot go into Jaffna. Do you know why ? Because they don't want to innocent civilians getting killed in cross fire.
  
  Simillarly a group of LTTE men who tried to assasinate a minister in columbo were held in an appartment where Sinhaleese civilians were living. The army without caring for civilians began to shoot. LTTE could have easily made civilians as hostage and escaped. But they swallowed cynides and died saving the Sinhaleese.Even Tamil-Sinhaleese or Tamil-Muslim riots in which Muslims or Sinhaleese gets killed in malicuosly attributed to LTTE.
  
  The initial propaganda was terrorism, but when truth came out, they are saying Child soldiers.Please with the sites
  
  
• From: vetri (@ ac9568ea.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 20 14:56:31
  
  Taking child soldiers is far better than raping minority child(some times age > 70) girls. Any child has the responsibility to punish the killers of their own parents
  
  
• From: prakash (@ hse-toronto-ppp312262.sympatico.ca) on: Sat Oct 20 18:46:34
  
  >>Any child has the responsibility to punish the killers of their own parents<<
  
  Would you wish the same for your children or your brothers and sisters?????
  
  http://www.spur.asn.au/childwar.htm
  
  The University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna) (UTHR) says..........
  
  The University Teachers for Human Rights (Jaffna) (UTHR) said in a report today that the forcible recruitment had increased since the rebels launched an offensive to re-capture the northern Jaffna peninsula in April 2000. The LTTE is forcing children to join their ranks to fight Government troops and many of the youngsters are being
  killed in action, a Human Rights Group said.
  
  The Rights Group, made up mostly of Tamils who used to teach at Jaffna University, said a fresh child-recruitment drive began on May 5, soon after the rebels captured the key `Elephant Pass' military base on an isthmus connecting Jaffna with the rest of the country.
  
  The Rights Group, considered treacherous and unpatriotic by the LTTE, said many of the young soldiers being drafted into rebel ranks were girls, some as young as 13-years-old.
  
  
  
• From: vetri (@ ac8f620f.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Oct 21 17:41:19
  
  Prakash,
  
  >>>Would you wish the same for your children or your brothers and sisters????? <<<
  
  Don't you know any reasonable man(or even a child) who was offended by in-human/in-justice done by the majority army will be ready to sacrifice to settle scores?
  
  I am not trying to preach violence or justifying a violence, but reasoning the 'Orphan' children for whom there can't be any justice done by a discriminatory Government's court/justice/protection system.
  
  The basic allegation of 'forcing the children' into war doesn't make sense at all. If there are parents in a home(who are physically stronger than children) then why there is a need to 'force the weaker' childred? Have you thought about it?
  
  
  
• From: prakash (@ hse-toronto-ppp314198.sympatico.ca) on: Sun Oct 21 18:59:18
  
  Vetri,
  >>The basic allegation of 'forcing the children' into war doesn't make sense at all<<
  
  Why do you think the predominantly Tamil UTHR thinks that LTTE is forcing children to join their troops?????
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 129.212.138.130) on: Mon Oct 22 12:49:11
  
  Vetri,
  
  Often, we tend to blur the line of demarcation between the legitimate rights of Srilankan Tamils with the atrocious ways of LTTE.
  
  It is very true that the Tamils were ill-treated, often in inhuman ways. They certainly deserve an autonomous state. But let us not gloss over the insidiuos acts of LTTE.
  
  First of all, LTTE is more concerned about its own aggrandizement. They are peddling drugs for getting weapons. They oppress any opposition from moderate Tamils with brute force.
  
  Above all, they don't relect the voice of Srilankan Tamils.
  
  
• From: vetri (@ clt-pxy04.firstunion.com) on: Tue Oct 23 11:16:37
  
  Karthik,
  
  >>Above all, they don't relect the voice of Srilankan Tamils<<
  
  Whatever you have posted could have been true to some extend, but believe it or not, if at all there are traces of Thamilzh people in the Eelam area, it is only due to their struggle. No matter how much illegitimate activities you listed are carried out, their actions had been proving that they are the only hope (compared to the other groups who deviated for their own benefits). You can understand it from many expatriots from Eelam.
  Otherwise, the Thamilzh race could have been wiped out completely by the Discriminative Government and its supporters by aerial bombings and colonization methods. You may argue, there are Thamilzhls living in harmony at Colombo and other places. They are recent migrants(during British) from Thamilzh Nadu for economic benefits whereas Eelam Thamilzhls are the native people and their feelings are different than an immigrant. If you want to argue about the 'native people'(Sinhala/Thamilzh), that itself need a separate thread. Let us stop deviating from the topic of this thread.
  
  
• From: s kari (@ 203-195-176-237.now-india.net.in) on: Tue Nov 6 12:44:11
  
  UTHR may have 101 reasons to have an anti-LTTE outlook. But their malicuous propaganda failed.
  They time and again lied.
  Initially they said LTTE was peddaling with drugs. But not a single case was against any LTTE men reg. drug peddaling.
  Then they said LTTE men kills other parties. But even in HINDU which is anti-LTTE magazine a report appeared that the eelam tamils were all for LTTE and that the others they killed were traitors. Now even TELO, EPRLF and TULF have joined hands with LTTE.
  
  There is a refuge camp in Orrissa where people opposed to LTTE belonging to EPRLF, ENDLF etc were lodged. When LTTE was defeating SLA last year, a report appeared in HINDU an anti-LTTE paper that persons in the camp are ready to go to Jaffna and fight for LTTE. Please see tamilnet.com. TELO leaders are speaking for LTTE. It was not as if LTTE killed every body.
  
  Now UTHR started 3rd propaganda about child soldiers , which will also fail. LTTE should take care in finding the real age of persons who join them (though it is difficult)
  
  

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