Topic started by tony (@ 1cust195.tnt40.nyc3.da.uu.net) on Sat Dec 29 12:19:02 .
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this is by RUNOKO RASHIDI, a pan-Africian history who has been on PBS (Tony Brown's Journal) making his case....

In Greater India, more than a thousand years before the foundations of Greece and Rome, proud and industrious Black men and women known as Dravidians erected a powerful civilization. We are referring here to the Indus Valley civilization- -India's earliest high-culture, with major cities spread out along the course of the Indus River. The Indus Valley civilization was at its height from about 2200 B.C.E. to 1700 B.C.E. This phase of its history is called the Harappan, the name being derived from Harappa, one of the earliest known Indus Valley cities.

In 1922, about 350 miles northeast of Harappa, another large Indus city, Mohenjo-daro (the Mound of the Dead) was identified. Mohenjo-daro and Harappa were apparently the chief administrative centers of the Indus Valley complex, and since their identification, several additional cities, including Chanhu-daro, Kalibangan, Quetta and Lothal have been excavated.

The Indus cities possessed multiple level houses enhanced by sophisticated wells, drainage systems and bathrooms with flushing toilets. A recognized scholar on the Indus Valley civilization, Dr. Walter Fairservis, states that the "Harappans cultivated cotton and perhaps rice, domesticated the chicken and may have invented the game of chess and one of the two great early sources of nonmuscle power: the windmill."

The decline and fall of the Indus Valley civilization has been linked to several factors, the most important of which were the increasingly frequent incursions of the White people known in history as Aryans--violent Indo-European tribes initially from central Eurasia and later Iran. Indeed, the name Iran means the "land of the Aryan."

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• From: davie (@ nevarezcorp) on: Tue Nov 2 16:01:17 EST 2004
  
  
  ALL INDIANS ARE OF THE SAME MAKE. CAUCASIAN.
  
  most of the indians are not fair compared to other people in the world due to sun tanning. Dravidians are Aryans who settled quite early and so they are brown or kind of dark compard to the couunterparts (aryans)
  
  
  
• From: davie (@ e228-050.ecc.utep.edu) on: Tue Nov 2 18:38:23 EST 2004
  
  
  even in VEDHAS CASTE IS TO BE ASSUMED ONLY BASED ON CHARACTER. NOT BY BIRTH
  so even in olden days they were more united and equal.
  
  so it justifies my thinking that some sect of the community like thieves were assumed the lowest class.
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• From: davie (@ e228-044.ecc.utep.edu) on: Fri Nov 5 02:14:24 EST 2004
  
  SOME OF THE LATEST FINDINGS
  i) caste in ancient india was based on character rather than color or birth. eg) thieves were assumed lowest caste
  ii) dark people and non brahmins ruled india especially the south infact they constituted many brahmins. So there is no doubt that dark brahmins who are present today were existing even before a 2000 years as brahmins.
  iii) dravidian kings ruled south india
  
  I want arguments only on the above issues. I dont want some one to say the same story that black people are inferior or i hate christian missionaries or i dont like south indian people and blah blah. So, i expect some argument only on the three isssues.
  
  
• From: dav (@ s0030140939) on: Mon Nov 8 23:10:50 EST 2004
  
  MOST OF THE INDIANS ARE CAUCASIANS ( PERSIAN EUROPEANS)
  They all came into india in various time periods of 25000 years. earliest settlers became dark
  
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 18:47:30 EST 2004
  
  just a simple concept. even a small kid can understand this.
  some features like color of skin resembles african. but not all the features resemble them. so indians are not africans.
  All indians (100% ) are europeans + some chinese
  
  
• From: ouch (@ 81-174-210-38.pth-as3.dial.plus.net) on: Mon Nov 22 11:08:32 EST 2004
  
  davie you are full of shi#
  
  there was no ARYAN INVASION into India because her true name was Arya-Vartha
  
  Arya-Vartha means home of the ARYANS and there was no overthrown darker skinned race of DRAVIDIANS - the dark skinned race you are talking about are from the Kushite empire of Africa or Kusha Deep in SANSKRIT which means land of green grass........
  
  now get lost you loser otherwise the varicose veins that will pop on your mothers and fathers face will be an early indication of what is going to happen to your racist decaying face.....
  
  Arya - Sthan is the Sanskrit name of Ireland which means 'land of Arya culture.......'
  
  as in Hindusthan means land of Hindus
  
  now get lost you NAZI loving prick and go count your mothers varicose veins you racist prick
  
  DRAVID means SOUTH and doesnot mean a race.....
  
  
• From: davie (@ new4.utep.edu) on: Tue Nov 23 13:33:43 EST 2004
  
  no dude
  eat my simple logic
  indians may have dark skin as those africans, but they dont have all features resembling africans. one such feature is curly hair.
  
  Either way there are some africans people call sumerians or what ever they are just like fair egyptians but settled very early and got their skin color.
  
  This is the truth.
  
  
• From: davie (@ new4.utep.edu) on: Tue Nov 23 13:35:04 EST 2004
  
  i believe the name dravidian is because of the so called dravidian civilization. but dravidian civili was in the north, not south.
  
  
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