Topic started by Dilkushi (@ 1cust121.tnt11.atl2.da.uu.net) on Thu May 4 11:35:37 .
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Are the Gypsies (narikuravar) originally from Middleeast?

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• From: Ravi Sundaram (@ 192.149.1.168) on: Fri May 5 11:17:24 EDT 2000
  
  Not Sure.
  
  Gypsies have a very interesting history. They are originally from Rajasthan. At around 11th century AD a huge Rajput army along with their families were sent westward. The aim is to find the source of islamic invaders. They moved slowly and passed through the Khyber or Bolan pass. Their size was not big enough to hold conquered territories and the heartland of Islam was much further west than they imagined. They won a few skirmishes, lost some, moved very slowly encumbered by families and children and were driven north and ended up in the middle asia over a few generations. Cut off from homeland, a few generations later they ended up as a nomadic tribe in middle asia and europe. They still worship Sun god Rama, and have many cultural, linguistic and culiniary features common to Rajasthanis. Infact they are called Roma gypsies, after their god Rama. They introduced the single stringed Indian violin to Europe, that evolved into the four stringed instrument and eventually became a mainstay of Carnatic music concerts!
  
  They were very heavily persecuted all through their history, and were treate as horribly as the jews during the WWII.
  
  Their modern organizations use a flag of blue and green and Ashok chakra.
  
  Though most of the maps show a branch or two leading from Rajasthan downward south, I am not able to find any mention of narikuRavar being gypsies. Some evagelical groups are classifying Lambadis and other nomadic castes of India under Indian Gypsies.
  
  
• From: Vijay Tharma (@ a.varitykelsey.com) on: Fri May 5 13:07:26 EDT 2000
  
  Dil, checkout http://www.forumhub.com/tnhistory/18601.10.13.04.html
  for gypsies, as its being discussed there.
  
  
• From: Dilkushi (@ sdn-ar-004gaatlap121.dialsprint.net) on: Sat May 6 14:59:29 EDT 2000
  
  Thank you Ravi and Vijay, You may be right because as i see the Kuravas are very strong ana speak a different tongue and they are not dravidians but there mention is made in texts describing there presence as far as Kanyakumari,As i have winessed they are Superior hunters.But in Tamilnadu they have been treated as outcastes the local government does not support for there Upliftment only a NGO organisation is helping them in Chennai.I wish to
  preserve their language and meet them and know the first hand version from them if you meet someone please give them my e-mail , Dilkushi@iname.com. Thank you and i will continue to look for your vieews in this board.
  
  
• From: :-0 (@ user1532.lv.sprint-hsd.net) on: Thu Jun 1 13:48:33 EDT 2000
  
  Narikuravar are a hunter gatherer tribe which became nomadic to survive enroachment of their forest lands. Narikuravar in Andhra, TN and Sri lanka speak in a dialect of Telugu. Where as Lambanis from Rajasthan speak in a dialect of Rajasthani. Do not confuse thm all as one super Gypsy group.
  
  
• From: geoffroy (@ ) on: Wed Feb 20 04:02:25
  
  Do you know what are the differents tribes of gypsies in Rajasthan and India ?
  
  
• From: geoffroy (@ ) on: Wed Feb 20 04:02:53
  
  Do you know what are the differents tribes of gypsies in Rajasthan and India ?
  
  
• From: geoffroy (@ 194.214.239.248) on: Wed Feb 20 04:03:25
  
  Do you know what are the differents tribes of gypsies in Rajasthan and India ?
  
  
• From: I (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Fri Feb 22 13:11:35
  
  Have no idea, check in a library, I ll try the net too
  
  
• From: nrmoorthy (@ 203.163.154.5) on: Fri Mar 8 11:03:55
  
  there is a tribe of gypsies in rajasthan called
  the'gaadiya lohar' who are basically blacksmiths
  originating from chiitoregarh and it is believed
  that they took a vow not to enter the precicnts
  of chittore when they were insulted by the
  courtiers in rana pratap's court.now you can see
  them at different parts of northern india with their ornamental cart along with their entire family moving from place to place and earning
  their livelihood doing smithy.
  
  
• From: nrmoorthy (@ 203.163.154.5) on: Fri Mar 8 11:05:07
  
  there is a tribe of gypsies in rajasthan called
  the'gaadiya lohar' who are basically blacksmiths
  originating from chiitoregarh and it is believed
  that they took a vow not to enter the precicnts
  of chittore when they were insulted by the
  courtiers in rana pratap's court.now you can see
  them at different parts of northern india with their ornamental cart along with their entire family moving from place to place and earning
  their livelihood doing smithy.
  
  
• From: Rama Ganapathy (@ ) on: Sun Nov 9 10:04:22
  
  Could u please help me with more info on the Narikurava Tribe..? I need to help my Daughter in her study regarding the same..basic Info is needed.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun Nov 9 14:38:22 EST 2003
  
  (@ 192.149.1.168
  Gypsies in Hungary and Romania are singers and beggers like the rest of the Nomadic tribes in India.
  
  They have no stories as you tell! Normally no one will go on an expedition with children.
  
  They always refuse to work and involve in stealing, prostitution and begging in public places.
  
  Gypsies now disclaim any Indian connections but history tells GYPSIES came from India as beggers and singers to Europe.
  
  Gypsies are still good singers.
  
  
• From: Tamilian (@ ppp-219.65.97.208.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Mon Nov 10 11:47:54 EST 2003
  
  Srilankans are bad farters.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Tue Nov 11 09:03:02 EST 2003
  
  brrrrrrrrrrr...pssssssssssk
  drrrrrrrrrrrr
  brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...hehehehehe..Red Light Area of Bombay.... drrrrrrrrr..ssssssssssssss
  brrrrrrrrrrrrRed Light area....hahahahaha.brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr mor than 100000 marwari prostitutes...brrrrrrr heheheheeh..hhohohohoho
  
  Those gypsies started to come to South when they were blocked in Europe for prostitution.
  brrrrrrrr
  
  
• From: gajo (@ 202.140.129.83) on: Wed Nov 12 03:47:34 EST 2003
  
  there are several nomadic groups. all are not gypsies. the european gypsies are called ROM or DOM. they migrated from india ( sindh) during very acute drought and famine long ago. they eventually moved all the way to ireland and evn to the usa. their indian connection is seen most vividly in the music. compared to gypsy music most of western classical sounds harsh and dull.
  
  since gipsies from rajasthan desrt area they look similar to other rajasthan migrants like lamanis and banjaras.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Wed Nov 12 09:10:53 EST 2003
  
  Gypsies call themselves ROMA and really their music is good. During the communist rule of Eastern Europe, Gypsies were able to make more money.
  
  
• From: Marie Kriz (@ edmcaila-cp.aii.edu) on: Wed Dec 17 01:08:29
  
  hi everyone!
  my name is Marie and you are the only ones I can ask where I can find more pictures of Roma traditional costumes.
  I went through houndreds websites and I found just history and description and explanation...
  I did not find pictures ;o(
  Please, would you help me with that and sent me some links to my adress?
  Thanks so much.M.
  
  

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