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r yadavs and konars same?......

ram......

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• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Fri Jul 9 01:40:17
  
  yadavas (an indo-hebrew tribe): http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.25.136) on: Fri Jul 9 04:05:23 EDT 2004
  
  The link was interesting.
  Arer u saying shaivaite religion gave judaism ? Dont start something like india centrism eh guys .
  It is not surprising the common origin of the names and it definably suggest a common link between these people( reports that Indus and Egyptian and Sumerian civilization are by the same people) It has been said that Indus valley traders were Dravidians,austaloids and Phoenicians .
  
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.25.136) on: Fri Jul 9 04:06:50 EDT 2004
  
  but Jews are descended from Abram and he was not an Indian aryan.. It is clearly stated that the father of Abram Terah was from ur which is clearly Babylonia and they went from there to the land of Cannan which is near Egypt. The migration of Abram was from the east of cannan which is actually Ur of Babylon and not the far east like India.How rhen can abram and sarai could be from aryan india?Let me tell u that Abram was the father of many nations , so can infer why Brahma has Saraswathi as his wife.
  
  But it is clearly true that India was occupied in the time of Indus valley civ by Dravidians phoenicans,assyrians, etc and the invading aryans..
  
  Further the actual name of Jesus is Ea-shoa' M'shee-kha . The meaning of M'shee-kha means anointed one in Aramaic .The name of Christ was given by Greeks in translation as no words were there to translate M'shee-kha , so they gave the word Christ which comes from kristhos meaning oil.
  How then can Krishna be christ?.
  
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.25.136) on: Fri Jul 9 04:07:27 EDT 2004
  
  and as far as similarity with names go wud there be any similarity between viking vellhala and the caste vellala? come on , as far as similarity in names go it is due to the fact that all languages evolved from only one language.
  
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.25.136) on: Fri Jul 9 04:19:13 EDT 2004
  
  and what abt the australian aboriginal place called Ayers rock..is there any similarity between the iyers? come on guys.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-17.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:33:51 EDT 2004
  
  Its not abt being India-centric asdf, the truth is all people of the world are linked - in some way or the other.
  Consider this: (if) life originated somewhere in the lands around africa-india-australia (GONDWANA i mean & land bridges b/w these lands submerged taking with them the roots of our origin). People then moved along the coast from one place to another or were seperated from time to time as and when landscapes changed over the centuries. They took with them their old (common) spiritual beliefs and systems while forming new ones along the way. Some of them settled in some places while others continued to move along still adding to their changes in their school of thought though still retaining some old ones.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-17.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:34:09 EDT 2004
  
  That is why u have ancient Egyptian symbols found in Australia. That's why u have linguistic development that is so similar to the other. Some words may may sound the same but mean diff things (cultural perception). However, what is most important to historians are words that not only sound similar but allude to the same thing (same meaning).
  
  
• From: whoelse (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:41:06 EDT 2004
  
  can u tell me how did the indo-chinese groups of ppl originate (ppl of cambodia, vietnam, laos, indonesia, malaysia)? can u tell me why are malay food preferences so similar to indians' (i mean we are genetically predisposed to stuff we "like" and "don't like")? so why cannot viking vellhala and the caste vellala be related? what if it turns out to be that they are? as for krishna and christ, imaginations may be too far stretched but hey the whole ritual of baptism (the ritual of applying oil and taking a dip in water) is very indian (dravidic? to be more precise?) in origin. such a ritual of anointing oil, putting water onto someone's head or taking a full dip in water and being declared as "purified" did not exist in the middle-east until jesus introduced it from the east.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-8.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:48:41 EDT 2004
  
  but anyway did he (christ) or did he not (introduce baptism ritual or travel to india-tibet) is another big question mark. as for lingustics, ayer (pronounced A-I-R) in malay means water, so ayers rock cud mean water rock (not forgetting the malays r of australoid race descent as well just as the australian aborigines). Maybe the ayer rock was under water once?? ofcourse it not be related to the indian iyer (pronounced AIYER).
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-16.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:51:15 EDT 2004
  
  sorry the post ahd be-- ofcourse it CAN not be related to the indian iyer (pronounced AIYER).
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-11.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 00:58:09 EDT 2004
  
  found http://www.konar.com very useful.
  
  instead of trying to bash casteism lets try 2 understand history why such things originated in history in the first place. its funny how cultures the world over have seperated ppl as high-born or low-born (greek, egyptian, nordic, celtic, hindu, roman, japanese, u name it). remove religious belief or race, ppl will still try to make themselves superior than other ppl - natural tendency of the survival of the fittest?
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-8.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 01:06:16 EDT 2004
  
  the links on this page make 4 some v.interesting reads - http://www.crystalinks.com/ancient.html
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-13.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 20 01:35:22 EDT 2004
  
  asdf, read this page - http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/masonicchildbaptism.html - doesn't it confound u abt the origin of baptism (ritual), was it from india, egypt, persia, or eleusia?
  
  
• From: asdf (@ mv3-24.171.24.128.charter-stl.com) on: Tue Jul 20 02:35:19 EDT 2004
  
  If u forget the Indian borders of today and go back to the old ages then it is certain that the land that is India today had massive connections with the middle east.
  
  So the people of that era shared common themes in terms of culture,religion etc eg.the Lingam stone in Arabia. But happyindian , u r wrong in saying that the origin of baptism started after Jesus Christ as the kings of Israel were annointed in Holy oil on their heads at the time of coronation( as per the instruction of the FATHER IN trinity).So this annointing of the head is shared by all these lands including India at those times.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-11.singnet.com.sg) on: Sun Jul 25 14:09:32 EDT 2004
  
  tks 4 the info asdf. just curious but if u can, pl explain to me why is it considered the most important ritual 4 christians, why was it recommended over circumsicion (was it 2 make christains stand out from jews?).
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.24.128) on: Tue Jul 27 10:27:47 EDT 2004
  
  Hello HappyIndian,
  
  Baptism in water was initiated by Jesus Christ.But the washing in water before entering the jewish temple was carried out in old times. Infact it was So important i.e.washing at the laver that the priest who neglected to do so would die!.
  
  So this was carried over by Christianity to mean old things die and that the person is reborn.to put it simply it means cleansing.
  
  
• From: asdf (@ 24.171.24.128) on: Tue Jul 27 14:51:14 EDT 2004
  
  Well actually baptism in water was introduced by John the baptist.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Wed Jul 28 01:48:01 EDT 2004
  
  hmm...so washing b'fore entering temples is a jewish rite just as it is a hindu rite. the similarities b/w the jewish faith, hinduism, taoism, ancient european paganism and shintoism are astonishing. its obvious that there were a group of early humans who formulated certain life/living practices with certain socio-cultural-spiritual beliefs. then they parted for some reasons. those who went to colder climes modified their practices according to the climes there (ex-wearing shoes and entering temples in shinto temples). these ppl who parted must've formulated new beliefs according 2 their experiences along the way too. but the core of these faiths nevertheless remained the same. am sure genetic anthropology wud throw light on such things in near future.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-10.singnet.com.sg) on: Wed Jul 28 01:58:24 EDT 2004
  
  am also curious abt the info u gave on the father of abraham being stated (where??) as someone from Ur, Babylon. he must've been someone from the Sumerian civilisation. so that means humans had already transformed from nomads to domestic dwellers and were making settlements b'fore the time the biblical exodus took place. it is also interesting to note that the term hindu was used by the sumerains to refer to the ppl living "b/w himalays and sindu/indus rivers or bindu sarover (indian ocean)." but sumerians or ancient indian scriptures never said they (sumerian and indus dwellers) belonged to diff race of ppl. isn't it possible that both were the same extended set of ppl.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-13.singnet.com.sg) on: Wed Jul 28 02:03:12 EDT 2004
  
  which i think they were. no wonder indians (collectively) are closest genetically to the persians and the persians to the greek, which implies that the indians, persians and greek were from the same stock. only more genetic research can help us know how similar v r to the present day iraqis / arabs / descendents of the sumerian civilisation.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-16.singnet.com.sg) on: Wed Jul 28 02:18:13 EDT 2004
  
  4 those who fight over color, aryan , dravidian or whatever, it must b an eye-opener that the jews r genetically similar to the african Lemba tribe. this Bantu-speaking group claimed Jewish ancestry 4 long (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familylemba.html). when humans evolved from apes, many diff variations / genetic diffrentiation must've occured (due to climatic or what? environmentally? induced conditions). b'coz of this humans of diff colors / physical attributes might've been formed - naturally this does not mean anyone is superior or inferior. we are all related afterall as irrespective of which hominid we decended from we share a common origin(http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/timeline.html).
  
  

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