Topic started by Hindu Shahi (@ 12-235-124-134.client.attbi.com) on Thu Oct 10 20:51:05 .
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I have a theory based upon reading on this subject for a few years...

I think the indian subcontinent was first inhabited by australoids and negrittos(who were substantially less in number than the australoids). There was a mass dravidian migration from the Iran area. These dravidians were either Elamites or closely related to them. The reason for leaving may have been drought since these people were farmers.

They settled in modern day pakistan area. These dravidians are caucasoids of the mediterranean branch. They drive out and slaughter the aboriginal population driving them into the hills. However mass miscegenation takes place. Aryan nomads begin to filter in later on. I don't think there was some invasion with barbaric hordes slaughtering these dravidians. The aryans are far less in number than the dravidians, they are absorbed completely. But their language and culture is so dominant that it is accepted over the original dravidian tongue by much of the population. These mixbreed dravidian/australoid/aryan people begin to spread out all over India. The dravidians who held on to their languages begin to migrate southwards past the vindhyas. There is a dominant australoid population there. Mass miscegentation takes place.

The DRAVIDIANS ARE ABSORBED BY THE MORE NUMEROUS ABORIGINALS. However some communities like the Coorgis and Todas stay relatively isolated. But the aboriginals accept the dravidian language and culture over their own munda tongue.

Same story up north, the mix bred dravidian/aryan/aboriginal people filter out eastwards and mix more with the aboriginals who have been driven eastwards.

This can explain why Eastern and South Eastern India tend to have the darkest and most australoid population.

Within the last 1200yrs, North West India has experienced a vast influx of different people and vast miscegenation. However....this is recent and relatively superficial admixture. Remember PHENOTYPE DOES NOT DICTATE GENOTYPE. To back up this claim, I reproduce this quote:

"Moreover, the observed differences between Indian communities are much smaller than those between Indians collectively and Europeans (or Africans etc.) collectively. A provisional table of the genetic distance between populations shows that North-Indians and South-Indians are indeed very close, much closer than “Aryan” North-Indians and “Aryan” Iranians are to each other."

A press report on a recent anthropological survey led by Kumar Suresh Singh explains: “English anthropologists contended that the upper castes of India belonged to the Caucasian race and the rest drew their origin from Australoid types. The survey has revealed this to be a myth. ‘Biologically and linguistically, we are very mixed’, says Suresh Singh (…) The report says that the people of India have more genes in common, and also share a large number of morphological traits. ‘There is much greater homogenization in terms of morphological and genetic traits at the regional level’, says the report. For example, the Brahmins of Tamil Nadu (esp. Iyengars) share more traits with non-Brahmins in the state than with fellow Brahmins in western or northern India. (…) The sons-of-the-soil theory also stands demolished. The Anthropological Survey of India has found no community in India that can’t remember having migrated from some other part of the country.”72 Internal migration accounts for much of India’s complex ethnic landscape, while there is no evidence of a separate or foreign origin for the upper castes.


Among other scientists who reject the identification of caste (varNa) with race on physical-anthropological grounds, we may cite Kailash C. Malhotra:


“Detailed anthropometric surveys carried out among the people of Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Bengal and Tamil Nadu revealed significant regional differences within a caste and a closer resemblance between castes of different varnas within a region than between sub-populations of the caste from different regions. On the basis of analysis of stature, cephalic and nasal index, H.K. Rakshit (1966) concludes that ‘the Brahmins of India are heterogeneous and suggest incorporation of more than one physical type involving more than one migration of people’.

http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/ch49.htm

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• From: satirical (@ wwwcache-a.lmu.ac.uk) on: Mon Jun 23 09:07:09 EDT 2003
  
  to the idiot who uses OM as his shield
  
  how dare you suggest that we are debating about clothless ARYANS when these are the people who were using numbers as high 10x53 5000BCE!!!!!
  
  these people were not cloth-less; and not primitive which is why we as true ARYANS have to see beyond the MAYA, yes some of the Indians look very poor.
  
  But even the homeless poor people in India are actually the RICHEST 'poor' people in the world, its just that the BRITISH and the WESTERN World is living off them, thus making them the spongers and tramps.
  
  The ultimate MAYA; peole in tuxedos living in the west are the RICHEST TRAMPS in the world, and the cloth-less people in the East are the richest 'poor' people.
  
  We are not debating about primitive clothless ARYANS but of a language that goes beyond the comprehension of simpleton Westerners who couldn't pronounce the word mellifluous yet alone count mellifluously until the 8th century.
  
  SANSKRIT - PROPERTY OF INDIA
  always has been, always will be.
  
  It's about the future, if we let them claim to be the ARYANS then in 400-500 years time we will lose our HERITAGE, which is ours not theirs.
  
  JAI HIND
  
  
• From: oops (@ wwwcache-a.lmu.ac.uk) on: Mon Jun 23 09:09:43 EDT 2003
  
  oh yeah we knew about the STARS and other planets milleniums before other races EVEN existed, so please the people who are dreaming about other planets are only doing what we had already achieved and done, so it is these CHARLATANS who are about 15000 years behind if not many many more....
  
  go back to your masters and lick their shoes, they have trodden on dung and want a SLAVE To lick them clean
  
  TRAITORS ARE NOT WELCOME
  
  
  
• From: kalke anawkam (@ host213-122-189-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sun Jun 29 19:54:42 EDT 2003
  
  
  boycott mcdonalds - the jews hate us
  
  they have done an advert showing a young fiji/black kid with a big afro imitating sai baba then purposely showing 2 strips of bacon and then beefburgers - all because the jews don't get to be the ARYANS.......
  
  jai hind
  kalke anawkam
  
  
• From: kalke anawkam (@ host213-122-189-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sun Jun 29 19:55:24 EDT 2003
  
  
  boycott mcdonalds - the jews hate us
  
  they have done an advert showing a young fiji/black kid with a big afro imitating sai baba then purposely showing 2 strips of bacon and then beefburgers - all because the jews don't get to be the ARYANS.......
  
  jai hind
  kalke anawkam
  
  
• From: brahmin bluff (@ host213-122-49-221.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Thu Jul 3 18:54:39 EDT 2003
  
  
  
  HTTP://www.stephen-knapp.com/recent_archeological_finds_confirming_vedis_history
  
  
• From: BLUFFING (@ host213-122-49-221.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Thu Jul 3 19:30:31 EDT 2003
  
  Recent Archeological Finds Confirming Vedic History
  
  
  
  Additional evidence of the truths of Vedic culture is continually being uncovered. So this is a new project in which we will list some of the most noteworthy archeological finds that tend to confirm the Vedic descriptions of world history. There are also other papers that are included in which new developments or research are discussed. We will continue to update this information as new discoveries are developed, or as additional news is sent in to us. So if you learn of anything newsworthy in this regard, feel free to send it in to us so we might include it on this page.
  
  Some of the Archeological Discoveries of 2002 This lists: 1. A City Dating Back to 7500 BC, 2. Recent Archeological Find Could Rewrite History, 3. Ancient Egyptian Flight Technology, 4. Treasures Discovered at the Ancient Angkor Wat, 5. Sixty-five Million Year Old Crocodile Fossils, 6. Ancient City Found Off the Coast of Mamallapuram, 7. Links Between Ancient India and Mayans, 8. Ancient Stone Maps Over 120 Million Years Old, 9. Taxila 600 Years Older than Earlier Believed, 10. Buried Shiva Temples Found, 11. Evidence of Ancient Sea Trade Between Rome and India, 12. Shiva Lingams Found in Vietnam, 13. India was the First Source of Diamonds, 14. Ancient Hindu Temple Discovered in Indonesia, 15. A 7000 Year Old Temple in Mallesvaram, 16. Satellite Photos of the Ancient Bridge Between Ramesvaram and Sri Lanka, 17. A 40,000 Year Old Cave Painting South of New Delhi, 18 Stealth Bomber From Shastra, 19. Koreans Search for Roots in Ayodhya.
  
  Some of the Archeological Discoveries of 2003 lists some of what has been discovered so far, such as: 1. Ancient Cities in Tamil Nadu May Be Over 7,000 Years Old, 2. The Ancient Gene Pool of Tamil Nadu, 3. New Theories Place Ancient Humans in India, 4. Ancient Seals Found at Hatab Site, 5. More Vedic Temples Discovered in Cambodia.
  
  Recent Research on the Sarasvati River provides articles on the ongoing discovery and work to recover the route of the ancient Sarasvati River that is described in the Rig-veda. This includes such articles as: 1. India's Miracle River, 2. The Recent Research into the Sarasvati River, 3. Efforts to Trace Saraswati's Origin, 4. Project to Revive Sarasvati River, 5. Indian Satellites Find Water Under Desert, 6. Riddle of the River Sarasvati, 7. Bringing Back the Sarasvati, 8. Unearthing Lost Sarasvati Cities.
  
  Ayodhya and the Research on the Temple of Lord Rama offers some of the latest developments regarding the archeological research on the ancient temple of Lord Rama at His birthplace at Ayodhya. This has: 1. The article by N. S. Rajarama, "What We Need to Know About Ayodhya." 2. Archaeological Excavations at Sri Rama Janma Bhumi.
  
  
  
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• From: truth (@ host213-122-115-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Mon Jul 14 19:05:38 EDT 2003
  
  
  make these new flags and let india develop and leave hatred for the outside world ok?
  
  orange - sikh khalsa sign
  white - om in the middle - hexagram and cross on either side
  green - crescent moon
  
  this is to embrace all religions that spawned of Hinduism.............
  
  is there not one Hindu who will say - jai hind consider it done?
  
  Not one person who has the contacts to get them made? Not one university student who will say yes we will make it and fly it high?
  
  what if i told you ALL to goto the mandir on the 27th at 4.40 - 6.00 and a miracle was about to happen?
  
  you all go - it becomes a national holiday - everybody is there at 4.00 to get the best view, at 4.40 the whole of worlds hindus are at their temples at that time, you all wait, wait,wait and then the sun comes up and beings to light up the day, slowly by slowly rising, you all tryn around to see a wave of heads waiting to see a miracle.
  
  Do you understand what i am saying yet?
  
  Everyday a miracle happens, the sun rises and a NEW day begins, and moreover the miracle makers are you, the people!!!!
  
  START this flag off now and let the world know that India and its people declare peace, fly that flag high and be proud of it, embrace your neighbours and be proud of india.
  
  If you have a muslim friend put the Moon in the middle, same with the cross or the Hexagram to let them know we are all EQUAL!!!!
  
  Who knows maybe this flag might reace Palesstine and help the people there, would you all rather let the world go by and know you did nothing to help your cousins, my cousins, OUR COUSINS, they are our family too, and the JEWS TOO.
  
  I will be deeply ashamed if there is not one Indian who will now NOT take DIRECT POSITIVE ACTION to help stop DEATH and promote peace.
  
  Gandhi died for us,
  
  divide and conquer
  brother kills brother
  one kills another
  
  balls in your court indians - this flag has been made in the UK and is hoping to reach the USA in the the next few months TOPS - through the people ONLY - put them in the windows - cars - or whatever but ADVERTISE PEACE THROUGH INDIA -
  and let the world know the parent country wants no WAR - and REVERSE the militancy in India NOW !!!
  
  why do you think the USA praised the BJP? Bcos you are allowing yourselves to be SET UP!!!!! We have TVs here in the west aswell guys so they show your militancy and make programs about them - drop the DIVIDE in India and do it yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  JAI HIND
  
  Kal-ke Anawkam
  
  
  
  
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• From: truth (@ host213-122-115-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Mon Jul 14 19:45:55 EDT 2003
  
  
  ok there is no sanskrit conspiracy - there were no ancient texts, these white people just re-wrote history to show a blonde haired, blue eyed race with white skin as masters to all ancient civilisations, nothing suspicious at all there....
  
  yet when these losers were last here on earth did they not try and take over the world promoting our SWASTIKA reversed?
  
  HITLER - a guy with brown skin, black hair and brown or black eyes told this PERFECT RACE that they are the supreme race yet they OBEYED him?
  does that not sound SUSPICOUS? even the idiots of idiots will find this true.....
  
  paranoia alert - no they are not wishing to steal our culture at all - they are only making a CELTIC mythology with characters like CHAEELIA pronounced Kali - surprise surprise, and she sits in a lotus like position, oh no more coincidences, she also has a manifested darkside like Kali, all the books on Celtic wisdom and mythology is all manifested from mass hysteria, they are only selling them in bookshops in the west - all because there is a SWASTIKA in Yorkshire and this will be their feeble excuse to snatch away our culture - PAGAN also city in Burma - City of GOds - KLU KLUX KLAN from KUKULKAN american indian tribe - why do white people want to be us?
  
  EXPLAINED -
  
  when i said they will sink again - it will happen because they trun the EARTH into concrete and in Leeds there is a message from ONE tree, it has moved a concrete pathway, and BROKE a CONCRETE FENCE!!!!!!!
  
  if that is the strength of one tree, then what is the stength of the EARTH????? REMEMBER ATLANTIS humans? So all the fools who misunderstood me THERE is no threat from the East only from your own stupidity, and ignorance.
  
  when i said sai baba said 80% of his followers will comeback to the true religion - i didn't mean they will comeback running to hinduism as we don't believe in organized religion - anyway he meant PEACE and the TRUTH - there is no religion higher than TRUTH - that is why you call it the TRUTH.
  
  true ARYANS are not barb-ARIANS
  
  TRUTH
  
  JAI HIND
  
  Kal-ke Anawkam
  
  oh yeah - to the losers who don't understand ISHVAR ULLA TERU NAM - i bought a shivling stone from wembley - on it is engraved that sentence not just in SANSKRIT but other undeciphered texts - it happened by FATE, synchronicity or luck or whatever you call it becuase i was going to buy the proper one - but chose this out of a bowl of many so i can wear round my neck - engraved in some mass hysteria CREATED technology that CAN'T do it today - and in many various TEXTS - ha ha so back off non-believers - and to the race that wants this stone so much - you can FU#K right off with your stale hair - you know who i mean by that -
  
  i have the stone back now after having it confirmed(THANK YOU GUYS who stuck their necks out for ME) and it resembles something like the Chintamani stone when ACTIVE -don't be divided and have faith -
  
  you guys decide - why do white people want to be us? PAGAN a city in Burma - city of GODS....
  
  
  kauravyan - you are the only one who seems to speak any TRUTH - can you exaplin why the Tamils hate the north so much - am in the west and have little knowledge of this chapter - that is if it happened i don't trust the western written history - can you back me up?
  
  sorry for my ignorance but the western maya is strong and i have begged for forgiveness many times on this site for not having my eyes peeled before...............
  
  
  
  

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