Topic started by mmc (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on Fri Feb 28 23:54:19 .
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In the recent times , it has been observed that the fanatical christian and muslim groups always target India to stop its progress.

In the pretext of attacking BJP , which is a ruling party, they discredit India and blow things out of proportion in the world media and tarnish India's Image abroad.

They also try stop the service activities of organisations other than the church and try to choak the funds flow for organisations which serve the poor and needy.

After silently bearing the attacks for a longtime, the Indians have decided to counter such campaigns by a counter-campaign detailing out factual position.

See this site:

http://www.letindiadevelop.org/

and sign the petition!

Let us defeat the evil designs of the wicked and satanic-barbarian cults which spread fanaticism and call for annihilation of those who dont belong to their religious denominations.Let us stop religious fundamentalism and hate campaign against India.

Jai Hind! Vazhga Indiya !! Valarga Thamizhagam!!! Onguga Indiyar tham pugazh!!!!

Responses:

• From: mmc (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on: Fri Feb 28 23:55:45
  
  A latest response to the hate mongers:
  
  It is not to our surprise that Marx believers behind the anti-IDRF Propaganda are again at their violent best. It is a classic attitude of such people to see anything that doesn’t suit them, from the eyes of communism. However it is high time to expose the biased attitude of these people and their anti civic activities and to subsequently stop their anti-developmental activities.
  
  As most of you are aware that we started this campaign with the concern that some disgruntled Indians with active support from anti-India elements, are bringing India’s development at halt with misleading campaigns. “Sabrang Communications”, Mumbai, India, which publicized the report, also happens to be the organization which, for years, maintained the distorted map of India (with significant Indian portion shown in Pakistani territory) as their logo. (Ref: http://www.indiacause.com/IC13_Idrf_Sabrang_Map.htm)
  
  As we have said in our petition, today they are against IDRF, tomorrow it can be any other organization that doesn’t suit their needs and doesn’t follow their bankrupt ideology.
  
  While acknowledging “Let India Develop campaign” and its popularity, TCSFH (www.stopfunidnghate.org) delivered response on its web site with following comments on our campaign:
  
  2) Signatories on a counter-petition launched by a group called "Let India Develop" http://www.letindiadevelop.org are almost exclusively from Hindu upper castes. Contrast this with the diverse body of people who have signed the "Stop Funding Hate Campaign."….
  
  3) Interestingly "Let India Develop" claims to represent the true heirs of Mahatma Gandhi, who incidentally fell to the bullet of Nathuram Godse, so glorified by "Hindu Unity" a sympathizer of IDRF. How can both Godse's heirs and Mahatma Gandhi's heirs support IDRF? Which of them is the true face of IDRF? An easy question to answer, particularly as Let India Develop, IDRF and Hindu Unity have the same volunteer base. The same individuals present different persona on these different websites!
  
  (Ref: www.stopfundinghate.org)
  
  First of all, as far as we are concerned, people supporting India’s development, signed our petition.
  
  After reading statement #2 above, one can easily see who is looking at each and every Indian with glasses of caste and religion. Is it Let India Develop, IDRF or is it this group of Marxists? These people are dividing society not only on the basis of religion and caste but also on the basis of professional background– such as researchers, scholars etc. In conclusion, as always they are creating division in the society for their intellectual satisfaction. They are not looking for peace and harmony but conflict at all steps. Hence, we think these are the modern breed of same culprits who in the past have created classes all over the world.
  
  Response to statement #3: It is utterly irresponsible to malign any individual or organization in a very irrelevant manner. Just because someone who murdered Gandhiji happened to be a Hindu, one cannot blame all the Hindus or some organizations, even after so many years. It is as good as blaming all Muslims for 9/11 attack. Also then with the same logic, should we conclude that all communists are murderers because some of them were responsible for taking law in their hands causing deaths of innumerous innocent people all over the world to justify their ideology or demands?
  
  However, we think such discussion will lead no where and we are not interested in going in any such political discussion and discussions about the violent past of our opponent’s ideology.
  
  As far as their laughable claim regarding comments on our website: We found that some people displayed their intolerance and/or used indecent language, so we decided to eliminate responses and signatures that were not relevant to the cause. Let India Develop is a responsible campaign and hence we could not tolerate words of hatred or indecency. Also when someone submits an entry, it means that the person has read our petition and supports our cause. In contrast, it has been also observed that people who are commenting on our campaign are editing each and every signature on their website!
  
  Unlike our friends at TCSFH, we started the sign campaign not for publicity or as number game, but to create awareness in people who love India, about the ideology that has become a barrier in India’s development – social and economic.
  
  And again we emphasize that our campaign is against those who are creating obstacles in India’s development. We are committed to a strong and developed India that can be the beacon for the world in all aspects – science, technology, humanity, philosophy and culture.
  
  A Challenge from LetIndiaDevelop to TCSFH
  Our love for India and our desire to Let India Develop is not against any other country or people. Hence we would like to challenge the campaigners of Hate to talk only about India’s development without dividing the society. We would like to challenge these Hate Campaigners and Marx Believers to state:
  
  - their views about India’s development and views about India’s national integrity – regional and political - in unequivocal terms.
  
  - their opinions about the terrorist menace that India is facing in Jammu and Kashmir and in Northeastern states.
  
  - their views about terrorist menace that the developed as well as developing world is facing especially since 9/11, and finally
  
  We also urge these people to do some work without thinking of classes, castes – work for sheer development of society. Being true followers of Gandhiji, though we pity these ignorant, we do not hate our opponents who are clinging on to the failed concept of communism. We certainly want this failed ideology to stay away from the path of India’s development. We request these people to abandon the failed concepts that are creating negative attitude in their intellect, dividing the society and adopt a constructive mindset that will help develop India and the humanity at large.
  
  
  
• From: RAMA (@ p94234.chnet.ttn.net) on: Fri Mar 7 07:16:01
  
  KICK OUT THE NORTH INDIAN ARYANS FROM INDIA AND HATRED WILL CEASE IN INDIA.INDIA WILL NEVER DEVELOP AS LONG AS THE HINDI RAJ RULES .
  
  
• From: GENIE (@ wwwcache-b.lmu.ac.uk) on: Mon Mar 10 11:41:42
  
  LOSERS BEWARE,
  
  WHEREVER, AND WHENEVER YOU TRY AND SPREAD YOUR FILTHY LIES, RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL BE FOLLOWING YOU TO CLEANSE THE TRAIL OF DIRT YOU LEAVE BEHIND AND TO ALLOW KARMA TO HOME IN ON YOU FOR PLAYING SUCH GAMES.
  
  DONT LISTEN TO RAMA ( HE IS A LOSER TRYING TO SPREAD LIES AND IS MORE LIKELY TO BE SOME SAD 'WHITE' TWAT WHO CANNOT TAKE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO WHITE ARYANS, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE UNTIL THEY EARN THE TITLE AND THEY HAVE ALOT TO DO BEFORE THEY CAN COME NEAR IT...HEEE HEEE.)
  
  GET OVER IT! ATLANTIS SANK AND YOU WILL NEVER REGAIN A CIVILISATION LIKE THAT BASED ON WRONG DOINGS INCLUDING SLAVERY, OPPRESSION AND MURDER. THAT IS WHY IT SANK....HEEE HEEEEE.
  
  GET LOST AND BUY A BNP MAGAZINE AND THINK HOW YOU HAVE WASTED ALL YOUR LIFE WANTING TO BE INDIAN (ARYAN).
  
  INDIANS YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT SINCE HITLER ADVERTISED THE NEW FAKE PSEUDO ARYANS AS BEING WHITE SKINNED, BLONDE HAIRED AND BLUE EYED MANY WHITE PEOPLE BELIVE THAT.
  
  THEY SPREAD HATRED AND LIES THROUGH RACIST PROPAGANDA MATERIAL USING COMBAT 18, THE BNP AND SUCH FRAUDULENT GROUPS LIKE THE GREAT WHITE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD.
  
  THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE ARYAN, JUST NOBLE ONES THAT COME FROM INDIA.
  
  YES THE SNOBBISH BEHAVIOUR DOES HAVE TO CEASE IN INDIA IN ORDER FOR THINGS TO BE EVENED OUT FAIRLY, AS THE RICH INDIANS BELIEVE THEY ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS BUT THAT IS WELATH, STATUS AND MONEY FOR YOU.
  
  DRAVIDIANS- BE AWARE THE WEST WANT TO EXPLOIT YOU GUYS AS CHEAP LABOUR IN THE WEST FOR TECHNOLOGY ETC JUST REMEMBER YOU AND THE ARYANS ARE ONE, AND ONLY IF YOU STAND TOGETHER WILL BHARAT BECOME STRONGER, IF OUR WEAKNESS CAME WHEN THE BRITISH DIVIDED US (THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A REASON FOR THEM TO DIVIDE US), THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THAT CRISIS IS FOR YOU ALL TO STICK TOGETHER AND RESTRENGTHEN BHARAT, ITS UP TO GUYS BCOS WE ARE STUCK OVER HERE.
  
  I WILL RETURN TO HELP BUT HAVE SOME THINGS TO SETTLE OVER HERE, AND PLAY TENNIS WITH ALL THE FILTHY LIES THEY ARE TRYING TO SPREAD ON THIS SITE.
  
  KALKE ANAWKAM
  
  
• From: SUJEET (@ 61.1.48.84) on: Sat Mar 29 10:23:15
  
  RAMA WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!
  ARE YOU TRYING TO CORRUPT THE MINDS OF THIS COUNTRY
  DO YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF A COMPLEX THAT MAKES YOU THINK NORTH INDIANS ARE HERE TO BRING DOWN THE DRAVIDIAN RACE??? YOU PATHETIC PHYSCO.
  ALL INDIANS ARE ONE!!! GET IT???
  I AM A SOUTH INDIAN...AND WE ARE TREATED EQUALLY.
  TO TOP IT ALL OF ...I AM AN IYENGAR FROM MADRAS. SO IF YOU THINK THAT WE ALL ARE SO DIFFERENT I AM ASHAMED THAT SUCH A PERSON WAS BORN IN MY COUNTRY.
  IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WE WANT OUT.
  MERA BHARAT MAHAAN
  
  
• From: karthi (@ proxy.evolving.com) on: Thu May 22 19:31:50 EDT 2003
  
  Myself another south indian, really repent for the words of Rama, not the real one. We can make a stronger India only when we are together. So don't try to implant such ridiculous ideas. I'm coming from a place which is the south most of India, I have never felt this kinda notions from others. WE SHOULD BE TOGETHER.
  Jai Hind, Vazhgha nam Bharatam (Live our India)!!
  
  
• From: salapaty (@ ac830630.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat May 24 03:10:15 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik wrote
  >> Jai Hind, Vazhgha nam Bharatam (Live our India)!!
  
  Neeyum oru manushana, maanamulla purushana?
  
  
• From: Miami (@ 0-1pool108-37.nas4.peoria1.il.us.da.qwest.net) on: Thu Jun 19 22:36:46 EDT 2003
  
  >> SUJEET
  >>I AM A SOUTH INDIAN...AND WE ARE TREATED EQUALLY. TO TOP IT ALL OF ...I AM AN IYENGAR FROM MADRAS.
  
  Iyengars (and Iyers) were not South Indians forever. They were all North Indians originally. They have a tendency to side with North even now. Evident in the way this guy ended his post. MERA BHARAT MAHAAN (in Hindi, not in Tamil. But he claims he is a Madrasi!) No wonder he is treated equally by N Indians. Tell some North Indians 'Thai manne vannakkam' and let us know if they still treat you equally.
  
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Fri Jun 20 08:33:06 EDT 2003
  
  Miami, what is wrong with Siding with the north?? Haven't great Tamizh sages praised Sanskrit - a north indian language? Recently, i heard great Tamizh classics that were translated to hindi were sold out in the first day of sales itself!
  
  There is a lot of stereotype. Now, many north indians see South india as the most developed part of india (which it is). I hear many Biharis are leaning south indian languages in order to work in south india.
  
  
• From: Miami (@ 0-1pool108-3.nas4.peoria1.il.us.da.qwest.net) on: Sat Jun 21 16:24:09 EDT 2003
  
  Karuvayan, you forgot to give the website name for proof.
  
  
• From: sal (@ acaf9167.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 23 21:14:30 EDT 2003
  
  >> KICK OUT THE NORTH INDIAN ARYANS FROM INDIA AND HATRED WILL CEASE IN INDIA.INDIA WILL NEVER DEVELOP AS LONG AS THE HINDI RAJ RULES .
  
  I say "yes" to it.
  
  Karuvayan, nee yarada?
  
  
• From: truth (@ host213-122-189-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sun Jun 29 19:25:06 EDT 2003
  
  yeah very good,
  
  the aryan invasion theory is working and you guys are living proof of it.
  
  divide and conquer
  one kills another
  brother kills brother
  
  that is what the white man wants and they have done this to the Muslims already, and to us in the past.
  
  if Hindu militancy continues it will grow and India can do without it, too much blood has been shed as it is.
  
  a tree is nothing without its roots, it will fall and be blown away....do you get me guys?
  
  think of our glorious continent as cake, if you want to eat it you DIVIDE it, and then slice by slice you eat it and consume it.......
  
  THINK YOU IDIOTS!!!!!
  
  Donot GIVE anyone a chnace to come back and invade India.
  
  New flag of peace?
  
  Orange - Sikh khalksa sign
  White - OM in the middle, Star of David and Cross on either side
  Green - Crescent moon
  
  All the religions that exist today have roots in India, there is no time to be divided, only united.
  
  Jai Hind
  
  Kalke Anawkam
  
  Boycott McDonalds - in the UK they have done an advert with a boy imitating Sai Baba and then purposely showed 2 bacon rashers and BEEF burgers behind him.....
  
  The Jews hate us!!!!!
  
  Be proud to be an Indian- we are all ARYANS because it was a way of life more than anything, not skin colour!!!!
  
  Donot provide the entertainment for the white man, they love to divide and conquer. Infact they hate us so much because they are in denial that they want to be us.
  
  White racist movements want to be us!!!
  The Klu-Klux-Klan is derived for Kukulkan an American tribe of Indians!!!!!
  
  See the similarity of such Impotent in Intelligence race of beings?
  
  Jai Hind
  
  donot allow India to be consumed like a cake, its worth more than that....
  
  
• From: kalke anawkam (@ host213-122-189-172.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sun Jun 29 19:56:59 EDT 2003
  
  
  boycott mcdonalds - the jews hate us
  
  they have done an advert showing a young fiji/black kid with a big afro imitating sai baba then purposely showing 2 strips of bacon and then beefburgers - all because the jews don't get to be the ARYANS.......
  
  jai hind
  kalke anawkam
  
  

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