taj mahal or shiva temple
Topic started by poonam (@ 203.199.78.144) on Fri May 18 12:31:44 .
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The story as most of us know suggests that Moghul Emperor Shah Jahan in the memory of his wife Mumtaz built the Taj Mahal. That it was built in 22 years (1631 to 1653) by 20,000 artisans brought to India from all over the world. We also believe that Ustad Isa of Iran designed it.
But perhaps this might all be wrong.
No one has ever challenged this story except Professor P.N. Oak, who believes the whole world has been duped. He states this Mahal is but an ancient Hindu temple palace of Lord Shiva (then known as Tejo Mahalaya). In the course of his research, Oak discovered the Shiva temple palace was usurped by Shah Jahan from then Maharaja of Jaipur, Jai Singh.
Shah Jahan then remodeled the palace into his wife's memorial. In his own court chronicle, Badshahnama, Shah Jahan admits that an exceptionally beautiful grand mansion in Agra was taken from Jai Singh for Mumtaz's burial. The ex-Maharaja of Jaipur still retains in his secret collection two orders from Shah Jahan for surrendering the Taj building.
Using captured temples and mansions, as a burial place for dead courtiers and royalty was a common practice among Muslim rulers. For example, Humayun, Akbar, Etmud-ud-Daula and Safdarjung are all buried in such mansions.
Oak's inquiries begin with the name Taj Mahal. He says this term does not occur in any Moghul court papers or chronicles, even after ShahJahan's time. The term "Mahal" has never been used for a building in any of the Muslim countries, from Afghanistan to Algeria. "The unusual explanation that the term Taj Mahal derives from Mumtaz Mahal is illogical in at least two respects. Firstly, her name was never Mumtaz Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani," he writes. "Secondly, one cannot omit the first three letters 'Mum' from a woman's name to derive the remainder as the name for the building."
Taj Mahal, he claims, is a corrupt version of Tejo-Mahalaya, or the Shiva' Palace. Oak also says the love story of Mumtaz and Shah Jahan is a fairy tale created by court sycophants, blundering historians and sloppy archaeologists. Not a single royal chronicle of Shah Jahan's time corroborates the love story.
Furthermore, Oak cites several documents suggesting the Taj Mahal predates Shah Jahan's era, and was a temple palace dedicated to Shiva worshipped by the Rajputs of Agra city.
For example, Professor Marvin Miller of New York took a few samples from the riverside doorway of the Taj. Carbon dating tests revealed that the door was 300 years older than Shah Jahan. European traveler Johan Albert Mandelslo, who visited Agra in 1638 (only seven years after Mumtaz's death), describes the life of the city in his memoirs. But he makes no reference to the Taj Mahal being built.
The writings of Peter Mundy, an English visitor to Agra within a year of Mumtaz's death, also suggest the Taj was a noteworthy building long well before Shah Jahan's time. Oak points out a number of design and architectural inconsistencies that support the belief of the Taj Mahal being a typical Hindu temple rather than a mausoleum.
Many rooms in the Taj Mahal have remained sealed since Shah Jahan's time, and are still inaccessible to the public. Oak asserts they contain a headless statue of Shiva and other objects commonly used for worship rituals in Hindu temples.
Fearing political backlash, Indira Gandhi's government tried to have Oak's book withdrawn from the bookstores, and threatened the Indian publisher of the first edition with dire consequences. There is only one way to discredit or validate Oak's research.
The current Indian government should open the sealed rooms of the Taj Mahal under UN supervision, and let international experts investigate.
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- From: Homet (@ ppp-185-187.bng.vsnl.net.in)
on: Tue Jul 23 09:48:10
Jay and silent Bob,
Kudos you can make this scre=ed up thread into a freaking vocabulary
Messageboard for all those guys who want to satisfy their heads with freaked up ideas of all the origins of monuments. What does statue of Liberty mean here?
- From: Ravi Saboo (@ ptil-202-129-del.primus-india.net)
on: Wed Sep 4 03:34:09
This is for Mr.Sharad,
This is in regards to the comment that you have posted on the site about the Taj Mahal being a Hindu monument. Please go the following sites and go through the full site. You wull understand it for yourself. There is absolutely no doubt left after going through the article that the TAJ was a hindu munument. And be rest assured that this has nothing to do with my being Hindu.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A5220
The first one is not an Indian author.
- From: Ravi Saboo (@ ptil-202-129-del.primus-india.net)
on: Wed Sep 4 03:34:59
This is for Mr.Sharad,
This is in regards to the comment that you have posted on the site about the Taj Mahal being a Hindu monument. Please go the following sites and go through the full site. You wull understand it for yourself. There is absolutely no doubt left after going through the article that the TAJ was a hindu munument. And be rest assured that this has nothing to do with my being Hindu.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A5220
The first one is not an Indian author.
- From: gottu (@ 61.1.110.8)
on: Sat Oct 19 14:04:49
shakespeare was shekhar pere ( a maharashtrian)
shekh-pir (muslim)
shikh-pur (sikh)
u want any more originals?
- From: Ratnam (@ host-058.bjco.ca)
on: Wed Jan 14 17:16:31
May be Hindu or muslim.It is O.K.But appreciate the marvallous work done.Just unnecessary nationlistic provacations brings problems only.All of us are living as human beings.
- From: Tin Ass (@ 210-54-101-219.dialup.xtra.co.nz)
on: Thu Jan 15 00:37:41 EST 2004
This is in response to Mahavir Sanglikar's post about "there being no hindu temple which can be compared to Taj Mahal".
Well what about Tirupati !!! It's The RICHEST temple in the world. Everyday people have to wiat in lines for hours on end. So i don't think that u're right on that one.
- From: Tin Ass (@ 210-54-101-219.dialup.xtra.co.nz)
on: Thu Jan 15 00:39:22 EST 2004
This is in response to Mahavir Sanglikar's post about "there being no hindu temple which can be compared to Taj Mahal".
Remeba it's not about the size of the temple, but the devotion and faith. So i don't think that u're comment is right Mr Sanglikar, or u ain't a religious person ;) .
- From: Gogiya (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg)
on: Thu Jan 15 03:24:58 EST 2004
WE knew from the all Holy Scriptures that Prophet or Messengers were not reveling everything at once. They appear one after another as a progressive revelation. So my point is this:
Muhammad was a Siva Avatar.
At Mecca there is a black stone.
It something implies that there is some wisdom beyond Human understandings indirectly. Therefore Siva revealed himself as a Muhammad and tried to upgrade his people in India. Because those holding Vedas were boasting themselves in vain imagine and idle talk.
- From: Periyar Arivar (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net)
on: Thu Jan 15 03:49:04 EST 2004
Poonam,
Gogiya tellss that Mecca is a Shivalayam. We should ask the Meccans to do tamil aruchanai in Mecca.
Time will come......
Glory of Shiva will be sung in Mecca, Medina, Al-Aqsa in Divine Tamil........
Arabs will be reading Thevaram, Thiruvachakam, ThirumuraigaL......
Eelam will be totally free of chiristie-anty and musulim-madam!
Vazhgu Eelam!!!
- From: soap salesman (@ 62.105.98.245)
on: Thu Jan 15 08:34:13 EST 2004
Gogiya - you talk sh't
they stole the black stone!!!!!
POONAM - thank you for starting this thread, it always WAS A ARYAN shrine and building.
When Mr Rao the famous indian archaeologist found the cracks in the wall - he found Indian statues behind them........
when he phoned the government to notify them he was told to shut up........
this was done to avoid any negative confrontation with MUSLIMS.....
there is alot more BEING found as we sit and speak now which IS disproving the A.I.T and will bin it once and for all, along with the NAZIS who invented it.
thank you poonam
have you seen the website disclosing the information on the RECENT ARCHAELOGICAL FINDS in 2003 & 2002 by STEPHEN KNAPP?
if not do so!!!!!
http://www.stephen-knapp.com
- From: soap salesman (@ 62.105.98.245)
on: Thu Jan 15 08:35:46 EST 2004
oh yeah will start new threads today that will help jigsaw pieces fall into place ten at a time rather than one at a time!!!
jai hind
kal-ke
- From: Karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
on: Wed Jan 21 02:53:59 EST 2004
So many Hindu and Jain Temples have been vandalised by muslims, so many are converted to mosque, do we have such political force to take it back? This sh*tty BJP to get votes said we will make Ram mandir, they coundn't do that. Our politicians are only hungary for seat and vote, they don't mind even their mother getting raped if it is for votes.
- From: Gogiya (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg)
on: Wed Jan 21 07:51:37 EST 2004
Shiva & Allah the real one and identical!
- From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98)
on: Fri Jan 23 12:30:02 EST 2004
Food for a thought!!!!!
Ponder for a movement!!
The Atharva Veda is
also known as ‘Brahma Veda’ or in its meaning as the Devine Knowledge. An
Analysis of the Vedas reveal that ‘Brahma’ is actually Abraham, where the
initial letter A in Abraham is moved to the end making it Brahma. This analysis
is accurate when one writes the two words in Arabic script, a language close to
that spoken by Prophet Abraham. Similarly, Abraham’s first wife Sarah is
mentioned in the Vedas as Saraswati, and Prophet Nuh (Noah of The Flood) is
mentioned as Manuh or Manu. Some Pundits consider Atharva Veda as the Book of
Abraham. Prophets Ismail (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) are named Atharva and
Angira, respectively, in the Vedas.
There are many languages combined into sanskrik.It is absolutely true!.
Many Sanskrit words have borrowed from Arabic and Hebrew with a slight change as
was shown in the examples of Brahma, Saraswati and Manu.It appears that this word is derived from the Hebrew word
Ma-Hekha (), which means thy brethren (e.g., And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the
presence of all his brethren. Genesis 16:12; i.e., Ismaelites are the brethren
of the Israelites). In the context of Biblical scriptures this word meant a
descendant of Prophet Ismail (Ishmael), and it is well known that Muhammad (s)
is a descendant of Prophet Ismail through his second son Kedar. Those who can
read Arabic Script can easily see that a mistake in separating Ma from Hekha
will produce a single word ‘Malhekha,’ and when adapted in another tongue like
Sanskrit might sound like Malechha.
- From: 8 handed tamacha (@ 62.105.98.245)
on: Thu Feb 12 08:59:54 EST 2004
you're full of sh#t GOGIYA,
Hebrew and Arabic borrowed words from SANSKRIT you lying toe-rag!!!!!
The
TAL MUD comes from TAL MUDRA
the JEWS are the YEDU tribes that left INDIA and there HEBREW is a shortened version of our
SANSKRIT........
HOW DARE YOU TALK SH#T LIKE THAT!!!
ABRAHAM WAS BORROWED FROM THE HINDU 'BRAHMA' AS WAS THE WIFE SARA FROM SARASWATI.....
RECENT FIND AT SARASWATI SITE CONFIRMS AN UNBROKEN CHAIN OF MOMENTUS LIVING FROM 5000BC BACK TO 2 MILLION YEARS.........!!!!!!!!!!
ARE THERE ANY SITES THAT GO THIS FAR BACK IN TIME IN THE MESOPOTAMIAN REALMS???????
NOAH WAS COPIED FROM MANU!!!!!!!!!
YOU TALK SHI# GOGIYA FOR YOUR BAHA FAITH AND OTHERS WHO EVER YOU HAVE AN BOOTLICKING AGREEMENT ON.......
I AM ON DHARMAS PAYROLL AND WE DON'T NEED AS#HOLES LIKE YOU TO TRY AND DENIGRATE ARYANISM!!!
THE MIDDLE EAST IS YOUNGER THAN OUR CULTURES!!!!
EAT YOUR CHUDIS YOU OUT DATE TW#T!!!
I AM INDIAN, AND PROUD TO BE THAT WAY, SO TAKE YOUR CONVERTING WAYS OUT OF HERE YOU LOSER!!!!
- From: kojak (@ 62.105.98.245)
on: Thu Feb 19 09:44:12 EST 2004
*******GEORGE WANKER BUSH IS NEW HITLER*********
It's amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency.
- GEORGE W. BUSH, JUNE 14, 2001
speaking to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Perrson, unaware that a live television camera was still rolling and filmed him saying the above quote.
The black people of Florida weren't allowed to VOTE in the 21st century in the so called 'LAND OF FREEDOM' where they needed a Humans Right movement to TEACH them how to treat the black race and how to behave in a way that would allow the DICTIONARY (the binder of REALMS) to call the racist members of the white race HUMAN....or near enough to the word.
THEN 9-11 happened where 2 planes crashed into the TWIN TOWERS where the EXPLOSIONS managed to blow up the buildings but also MELT the METAL GIRDERS and the BLACK BOX.....yet they managed to find 2 SAUDI passports at the bottom of the rubble so they can blame ISLAMIC terrorists.....
perhaps in the future we should start making bullet proof vests, buildings, planes and tanks out of this amazing PASSPORT material..........
THEN THERE WAS THE THIRD PLANE THAT WAS TRAVELLING IN A DOWNWARD MOTION WHICH WITH THE COMBINED FORCES OF BOTH VELOCITY AND GRAVITY WOULD HAVE AND SHOULD HAVE CAUSED A BIGGER EXPLOSION YET THERE WASN'T ONE IN THE PENTAGON???
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
sounds a little bit fishy to me??
BRITISH TRIED TO STEAL SANSKRIT IN 21ST CENTURY!!
Why are the white race trying to steal SANSKRIT and the ARYAN title in the 21st century!!!!!!!!!
and also doing their very best to try and DENIGRATE HINDUISM aka ARYANISM............
THEY want to eat our food,
STEAL our title
BUT HATE US TIL DEATH
BRITAIN IS NAZI LAND
BRITISH SECRET SERVICES SET UP ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS!!!!!!!
WE PAY FOR THIS!!!!!!!!
ITS ALL A BIG FU\KING SCAM
GIVE ME FIVE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME,
AND I WILL SHOW YOU A MYSTERIOUS RHYME,
THAT REVEALS THE WORLD A BIG RIGGED UP CRIME.....
DAVID SHAYLER IS A TRUE BRITISH KNIGHT!!!!
THE WORLD NEEDS MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!!!!
DAVID SHAYLER GRASSED THE CORRUPT SECRET SERVICES AND SHOULD BE KNIGHTED AS A HERO OF HONOUR!!!!!
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, A TRUE BRITISH KNIGHT IN GLOWING ARMOUR........
DON'T WORRY WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE TO SAY WHEN THEY CALL YOU A TRAITOR......
IF ANYONE IS A TRAITOR IT IS THOSE WHO SET UP THE MUSLIMS IN THE FIRST PLACE, MAY THE ANGELS GUARD YOU FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIVE.
GOD BLESS YOU.
****************
BRITISH STEAL NEWTONS THEORY BOOK FROM RUSSIAN MUSEUM TO PROMOTE NAZISM IN THE 21ST CENTURY
AND 2060 INVASIONS!!
- 4 PEOPLE DRESSED AS SCHOLARS WHO COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN BRITISH SECRET SERVICES STOLE NEWTONS THEORY BOOK FROM RUSSIAN MUSEUM AND MADE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT HIM PROMOTING HIM AS A BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED PERSON –
THEN PROPHECISED A CHRISTIAN CRUSADE FOR 2060 !!!!!!!!!
BRITAIN IS NAZI LAND HELP!!!!!!!!!!
THEY STILL USE SLAVES IN THE 21ST CENTURY !!!!!
19 CHINESE PEOPLE DIED FOR WORKING FOR A POUND A DAY !!!!!!!!!!!
HELP BRITAIN IS NAZI LAND IN DISGUISE!!!!!!
NOT LABOUR GOVT.
NOT TONY BLAIR OR CURRENT MPS IN LABOUR BUT RACIST WHITE GANGS UP NORTH WHO ALSO TRAIN TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY TRAIN TERRORIST GROUPS IN NORTH BRITAIN
THEY TRAINED THE GREEK GROUPS IN LEEDS PRETENDING TO BE RESISTANCE - IRISH OR BRITISH WHO KNOWS BUT THEY ARE CARAVAN HILL BILLY WHITE RACIST TRASH WHO WANT TO SPOIL IT FOR OTHERS SO THE BRITISH CAN SUPPORT THE NEED FOR THE 2060 BLONDE HAIR BLUE EYED CHRISTIAN CRUSADES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY ALSO SET UP THE MUSLIM ONES FOR GODS SAKE!!!
THIS WILL BE THEIR NEW BUSINESS TO 'POLICE' FOREIGN COUNTRIES SO THEY ARE SETTING UP THE STUDENTS WHO SHOULD BE HERE TO STUDY BY MAKING THEM SELL DRUGS AND MESS WITH THEIR HEADS SO THAT THEY BECOME TERRORIST GROUPS.
THEY TAKE THEM TO OLD MINING SHAFTS AND TELL THEM THAT ENGLAND USED TO BE BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED DRUIDS AND GET THEM TO GROW CANNABIS TO HELP FINANCE THEIR MISSIONS....
WHICH WILL NO DOUBT BENEFIT THE WESTERN GOVTS IN THE FUTURE.......
THE BIGGER PICTURE..........
FOREIGN STUDENTS ARE A THREAT........
TURN THEM INTO TERRORISTS, ELIMINATE THE COMPETITION AND AT THE SAME TIME CONVERT INNOCENT PEOPLE INTO MAKE BELIEVE TERRORISTS...............
IT HAS ALL BEEN RIGGED FROM THE VERY TOP GUYS HELP US OUT THEY ARE TAKING YOUR CHILDREN AWAY!!!
IT IS NOT SAFE TO SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO UNIVERSITIES!!!!!!!
WHY SHOULD WE STAY ANOTHER DAY AND HAVE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY USED AGAINST US IN THIS WAY???
IMAGINE HOW ALL THOSE MUSLIMS FEEL KNOWING THAT THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY HAS GONE INTO A MENDACIOUS WAR THAT WE BACKED WITH NO EVIDENCE!!!
1999 THEY MAKE A FILM CALLED 'OMEGA CODE' TO ADVERTISE THE BIBLE CODE......................
AT THE END THE CODE SHOWS Y2K=ARMAGEDDON
THIS WAS DONE TO ADVERTISE AND MASS CONDITION THE PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING SOMETHING BAD WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND THEN...........
BUSH GETS INTO POWER MENDACIOUSLY.......
9-11
WAR IN AFGHAN..........
FOLLOWED BY WAR ON IRAQ WITH NO EVIDENCE..........
BIBLE CODE - VERY POSSIBLY FOUND TO BE A FRAUD AS A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO MAKE US BELIEVE.......
THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THIS...........
THEN THEY USED X-FILES TO ADVERTISE 'ISHTAAR' AS THE NAME OF GOD SO THEY CAN PROMOTE THE JEWS AS THE ARYANS.........
WHOSE NEXT?
GAMMA RAYS AND STAR WARS -
KALKI AND MAITREYA BOTH ARGUING OVER WHO GETS TO RE-CO-ORDINATE THE GAMMA RAY AWAY FROM INDIA.....
BUT EITHER WAY WILL DO A HIGH FIVE WHEN THIS IS OVER GUYS -
GET THE MESSAGE GET OUT OF THE WEST AND TAKE ALL YOUR FAMILIES AND EVERY OTHER INDIAN WITH YOU!!!!
TIME FOR AN EXODUS - 2012!!!!!!
THEY ARE SETTING UP INDIANS LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE
SECRETARY AND FAMILY BEING SET UP BY RACIST BRITISH GROUPS...........
WHY WOULD THE SECRETARY STEAL VAST AMOUNTS OF CASH FROM HER BOSS WHEN SHE KNEW SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH ACCESS TO THE FUNDS............?
SURELY SHE WOULD HAVE KNOWN SHE WAS GOING TO GET CAUGHT...........?
WHY WOULD SHE JEAPORDISE HER MOTHER INTO ALL THIS?
THEY ARE SETTING US UP TO MASS CONDITION THE WHITE RACE THAT US INDIANS ARE ALL BAD........
INDIAN DOCTOR WHO GO INTO TOP 50 BRAINS OF THE UK ALSO GOT SET UP.............
GOT ACCUSED OF RAPE -
WHY WOULD HE RAPE A TART WHEN HE HAS A FLYING CAREER TO KICK OFF?
HOW THEY RETAIN THEIR MONEY.......
GET ASIAN DOCTOR TO WORK IN AREA THEN MAKE CLAIM OF INDECENT ASSAULT TOWARDS THE END OF THEIR CAREERS - GET COMPENSATION MONEY AND RUIN 'CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN' PAK'S LIVES..........
HEARTLESS NAZI BAS'ARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE WENT TO WAR WITH NO EVIDENCE DARIUS!!!!!
WHAT INTELLIGENCE???????
INDIANS ARE NEXT TARGET
WE HAVE BEEN SINCE WE ARRIVED IN NAZI LAND!!!!!!!!
NOW THEY ARE GETTING INDIANS AND ALOT OF TAMILS HOOKED ON CRACK COCAINE AND GOING TO FU\K WITH THEIR HEADS TO TURN THEM INTO FIGHTERS TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS DOWN SOUTH IN LONDON -ILFORD WHERE GANGLAND SHOOTINGS AND BEHAVIOURAL PATTERNS ARE LIKE YARDIE GANGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY ARE SETTING US UP !!!!!!!!!!!
HELP WHERE ARE THE UN SOLDIERS AND INVESTIGATORS
PLEASE HELP - A CRY FOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE BRITISH YOUTH BOTH WHITE AND BLACK ARE SO SICK OF THIS SH\TISH WAY OF LIFE OF COWARDICE, RACISM AND BULLYING THAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE IN ALIENS AND TO FIND ANOTHER RACE BCOS WE ARE SICK OF IT ALL - AND MANY OF US ARE MENTALLY ILL COS OF THIS SHI+!!!!!!
HELP US AND SAVE OUR SOULS UN - ALIENS ANYONE ???
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