Topic started by Siby Koodalloor (@ 203.197.61.84) on Thu Oct 19 09:38:28 .
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

The RSS wants everyone in India to fall in its line. All the NRI (esp American) voteries of Hindutva flood internet with propaganda against Christians and Muslims. Now I paste a sentence from Times of India news story:"In his address the RSS chief said that only by adopting "Hindu chintan" and "swadeshi" was it possible to bring about full economic, social and political development of the country" For the news story " target="new">http://www.timesofindia.com/today/19indu5.htm"> Click here

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• From: Rajan (@ 194.170.24.10) on: Sun Oct 29 01:36:28 EDT 2000
  
  Lets put it in writing: Thanks to this RSS and their affiliates continuing their brilliant-senseful-secular-all good- approach, Indian currency will reach Rs. 70 per USD in 5 years time (2005AD)from its present Rs.45 (2000AD). Lets talk at that time. Blessed are the Non-Residents.
  
  
• From: Concernec (@ 62.172.135.35) on: Mon Oct 30 08:33:58 EST 2000
  
  RSS is a organisation of GOONS. And it has become such a infestation on the present political scene that it is putting the India's unity at stake.
  Yesterday they attacked Muslims,today they attack lesbians, tomorrow they might attack pony-tailed men or single mothers or mixed community couples or lefthanders or NRIs: anyone who does not conform to their definition of the norm.
  
  This sort of MMM(maro, maro , maro) culture is taking India backwards. India is turning barbaric. God save the nation.
  
  
• From: bharthi (@ mail3.halifax.co.uk) on: Fri Nov 10 11:36:27 EST 2000
  
  Rajan ,
  1)I am not in favour of fanantism.But cetainly I am against pseudo-secularism.
  2)Talking about economic side of goveranance,I think present government is giving the best performance.Never in the indian history was the inflation such low.Can you remember?
  PS: If I favour the present government,I know the members of forum will jump upon me and brand me as "Aryan","brahmin"etc.
  My point of view is that if work is good it should be praised.Congress and other parties have foled in the name of
  psuedo-secularism while regional parties try to create regional chaos.
  
  
• From: rama (@ dhcp98-178.cs.cornell.edu) on: Fri Nov 10 13:29:46 EST 2000
  
  We should not equate low inflation with economic welfare. The reasons of low inflation in India in the last few years is 'stagflation' which is basically a lack of growth of the economy. One of the important things that drive the rate of inflation is the demand for goods and services. As a result of earlier over production ( in the early 90s) the demnad had tremendously dropped down in the second half thus reducing the price of products (as people are competing to sell off stuff and clear the inventory) and hence low inflation rate.
  
  The moot point is that the production was down and the economy was not growing as well as it used to do in the early 90's . Even this momentory rise in inflation is not because of economic growth but because of other negative factors including the rise of global prices of petroleum products.
  
  After the boom of the early 90s, the later half of thr 90s definitely show a decrease of economic growth in india. Perhaps the early 2000 would be able to alleviate this problem.
  
  
• From: Siby Koodalloor (@ 203.197.61.31) on: Sat Nov 11 06:13:14 EST 2000
  
  We have seen enough of the present BJP coalition's governance. Farmers are going through the worst of their times. Agriculture produces have hit lowest prices. Reports of farmers committing suicides because of poor prices of their produce or crop failures have been doing the rounds since some time. In Kerala a coconut fetches 2Rs for a farmer mainly becuase of lowering tariff on agriculture goods, in this case on palm oil. While the urban middle class and upper class may be beneficiaries the rural poor are the worst sufferers of the present economic policies.
  
  
• From: bharthi (@ mail4.halifax.co.uk) on: Mon Nov 13 06:48:44 EST 2000
  
  Rama,
  While puutting up your arguments,I would appreciate if you could talk by facts since this is a Financial invetsigation.
  Please go through the following official sites and then comment.
  
  http://www.domain-b.com/economy/ecosurvey2000/
  http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html#Econ
  
  Siby ,
  You atre talking about agriculture failure this year.This might be true for some areas because of heavy rains in some areas and draught in other.It is highly improper to blame government for such faliures.I can point out numerous cases in past when there was much severe failures where government failed to provide right prices due to low/high production.
  Such short-term temporary instances HAVE LITTLE EFFECT on economy of thhe country.
  So you do not have a valid point to prove that economy is in doldrums.Infact according to world economy review 2000,Indian economy is growing at the highest rate ever.
  
  
• From: karthik obla (@ bmt-mail.boralmti.com) on: Mon Nov 13 19:24:54 EST 2000
  
  Rama,
  
  I cannot understand your conclusions. If the inflation levels are low and the rise in income is higher than the rise in inflation isnt it better for the common man? Also, it is possible for low inflation and strong economic growth to coexist - the US in the last 10 years is a good example.
  
  Siby,
  
  Isnt it logical to conduct post mortems after at least 5 years for a government? Look what Congress gave us in about 50 years. Let us keep that in perspective before allowing our personal interests color discussion on economy.
  
  
  
• From: rama (@ dhcp98-178.cs.cornell.edu) on: Tue Nov 14 19:26:28 EST 2000
  
  Dear Bharathi,
  Quoting form the same website you cited
  http://www.domain-b.com/economy/ecosurvey2000/ecosurvey2000_macro_t%201_2.html
  
  You can see a decrease in the real GDP growth rate from the early half of 90's to the late half of 90's. This exactly what i was mentioning in my earlier post.
  
  Dear Karthik,
  A lower rate of inflation does not say that the prices are increasing more slowly than it used to (although not accurrately). This is definitely good news for the consumer (Your Common Man). After all if maruthi cars are sold for 1.8 lakhs each which middle class buyer would not revel.
  
  But when analysing what is good for the economic growth of the country, the value of inflation rate alone does not tell much. The reasons for the change in inflation rate is also important. My contention is that the low inflation rate we witnessed in the near past is because of piling inventory causing the manufacturers to decrease the price in order to sell their stuff. This is because of a reduced demand. Surprisingly you were talking about a rise in income to the common man. A rise in income would in general increase the demand and hence would increase the prices (increase in inflation rate). This seems kind of contrary to me.
  
  This also means that a rise in inflation rate does not indicate economic boom. Once again reasons for the increase in inflation are important. For example an increase in the global oil prices caused an increase in the inflation rate in india.
  
  
  
• From: bharthi (@ mail4.halifax.co.uk) on: Wed Nov 15 06:35:34 EST 2000
  
  Rama,
  That is what I am mentioning.Indian economy was opened a few years ago.Now you agree that GDP is increasing.Which I say is the good work done in economic scenario by present government.
  Your statement "This also means that a rise in inflation rate does not indicate economic boom."
  is not understandable.
  
  
  
• From: rama (@ dhcp98-178.cs.cornell.edu) on: Wed Nov 15 19:33:30 EST 2000
  
  Dear Bharthi,
  I think we should wait a couple of more years before we can see that the GDP is increasing. The real GDL growth for 99-00 was quoted as 5.5 (I can give a few references to this). Compare this with the real growth rate of 6.5 - 7 in early half of nineties. I don't see any increase in GDP. Further, press statements a few weeks already quoted a decrease in growth rate by in the early half of the current financial year.
  
  "This also means that a rise in inflation rate does not indictae economic boom"
  
  This statement means that inflation rate can increase due to external reasons (global petroleum price increase, currency devaluation etc...) which do not signify economic boom. However, in general the first effects of economic boom is an increase in inflation rate because increased income => increased demand => increase in prices.
  
  
• From: bharthi (@ mail3.halifax.co.uk) on: Thu Nov 16 05:13:03 EST 2000
  
  Dear Rama,
  We can hope big economuc reforms and boom because our Finance Minister is a former knowledgeble IAS officer.Also,It is true fact that htis government is seriosly trying its best to improve economy and results are coming positevely in several sectores(Pleae go through macroeconmic surver in the link).
  What I want to steess is that good work should be prasied and unnessary bashing should be avoided.
  Indian economy is in safe hands.There has been impressive foreign investments and increase in foreign revenue.Software exports policy of present government is the best ever and this has again given foregin revenue.
  People in this forum are bashing like congress and CPI bash to BJP!
  
  
• From: karthik obla (@ bmt-mail.boralmti.com) on: Thu Nov 16 10:03:56 EST 2000
  
  Dear Rama,
  
  Your theory of low inflation due to higher inventory will work only if there is low rate of industrial growth. But I would like to wait till say 2003 or so before concluding that the industrial growth is slowing, mainly because in in the last 2 years we have been having many global issues such as the US sanctions, Asia meltdown etc.
  
  Dear Bharthi,
  While I agree that we should wait for 5 years before judging the present rule, I would like to ask you what they are doing to jumpstart sectors other than software. Any developments in infrastructure? or Optimization of milk production for example? any attempts to enhance the enterprenurial nature of the people and make it easier for them to suceed?
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: bharthi (@ mail3.halifax.co.uk) on: Sat Nov 18 05:39:04 EST 2000
  
  karthik obla ,
  Well I agree with you.Software alone cant bring prosperity.Other major core sectors--Agriculture,Animal husbandary,infrastructure needs to be taked a afresh look.
  Also, one point--software is concentrated to only few cities and metros.My view is that since this does not invlove major infrastructure investment,it should be penetrated to maximun cities.This will have two advantages:
  We can stop flow from cities to metro
  We can have overall development
  
  Same approach should be adopted in all sectors upto maximum possibility.
  
  
• From: BHUPTI (@ host-216-252-245-3.interpacket.net) on: Mon Jun 4 10:27:55
  
  
  WHY A HINDU SHOULD BECOME A MUSLIM
  
  One Indian Hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that the description of Avatar found in the holy books of Hindu religion is in fact that of the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam).
  
  If the author of this book were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have even been murdered and all the copies of his book would have been confiscated. Even a ban would have been slapped on its publication. A riot and violence would have broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have been shed.
  
  Amazingly, the author of this book is a fair-minded, famous professor who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pandit Benda Prakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is Kalki Avatar. The author is a Hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the Truth and a well-known Pandit in Allahabad University.
  
  After years of research work, Pandit Vedaprakash published this book and eight other pandits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.
  
  According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the Guide and the Leader, named Kalki Avatar, fits only the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should not wait any longer for the arrival of Kalki Avatar (the spirit) and should readily accept Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) as Kalki Avatar.
  
  NEVER ENDING PAIN
  What the author and other eight eminent pandits say is that the Hindus who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of Kaki Avatar are simply subjecting themselves to a never-ending pain, because such a great messenger has come and gone from this world fourteen centuries ago.
  
  Pandit Vedaprakash produces the following sound evidence from the Vedas and other holy books of the Hindu religion in support of his claim:
  
  1. In Purana (a holy book of the Hindus), it is stated that Kalki Avatar would be the last messenger (prophet) of God in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings.
  
  2. According to Hindu religions prediction of the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an isle which, again according to Hindu religion, is Arab region.
  
  3. In the books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are givenas Vishnubhagat and Sumaani respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names, we shall come to a very interesting conclusion, e.g. take Vishnubhagat: Vishnu (meaning god) + Bhagat (meaning slave) = Allah (in Arabic) = Slave of God = Abdullah (in Arabic). Sumaani = Peace or Calmness = Aaminah (in Arabic)
  
  4. In the religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned the staple diet of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olive and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the Region. Without any doubt, the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
  
  5. It is stated in Vedas (Hindu holy book) that the birth of Kalki Avatar would take place in an honourable clan. This perfectly fits only with the clan of Quraysh to which Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) belonged.
  
  DAZZLING ACCOUNT
  6. God would teach Kalki Avatar through His messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) through His messenger Jibraaeel in a cave known as Ghaar Hiraa.
  
  7. God would avail Kalki Avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. This is an indication of the Buraaq and Mi’raaj.
  
  8. God would also avail Kalki Avatar with divine help. This was probably proven in the Battle of Badr.
  
  9. Another dazzling account given about Kalki Avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was born on the 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal.
  
  10. Kalki Avatar would be an excellent horse rider and swordsman. The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was both.
  
  The author has given numerous other arguments in favour of his claim that Kalki Avatar is in fact Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and those who still await the arrival of Kalki Avatar should think again.
  
  Al-Hidaaya - Courtesy of 'Sunday Standard', Nairobi, Kenya
  
  
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