Topic started by Shruti (@ 203.199.202.97) on Mon Dec 15 05:42:30 EST 2003.
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People who follow vegetarian food like Brahmins & Jains do so because they feel it's sinful to kill an animal & eat its flesh.
But according to Science, trees & plants also have life. Hence is it not sinful to cut a plant (I mean 'kill it') and eat it?
In what way does the shastram justify this?
Or is it like, vegetarians were eating only fruits & vegetables which fell down naturally from the trees, which, as time passed, changed like "cut & eat"?
Please let me know if you have an answer!!
(I don't know if its already discussed in some other thread. If so, provide me the link!)

Responses:

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• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Dec 22 14:12:13 EST 2003
  
  //But according to Science, trees & plants also have life. Hence is it not sinful to cut a plant (I mean 'kill it') and eat it?
  In what way does the shastram justify this? //
  
  Seed Dispersal by animals (including man) - that's the reason for plants being eaten - their (their survival depends on they being eaten).
  
  Species (of plants and animal) that are eaten by man would never go extint - Man wouldn't let them go!
  
  
• From: anup (@ 218.39.19.72) on: Mon Dec 22 15:44:00 EST 2003
  
  Vegetarians will live long.
  
  
• From: BAB (@ cache-dq08.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Dec 22 18:33:05 EST 2003
  
  My take on the subject matter is that, perhaps, the only true vegetarian is the one who only eats the ripened flesh of fruits which fall to the ground.
  
  The eating of any other forms of food than fruits may constitute adharma, as we deprive creatures and plants of their dharma of fully regenerating their species.
  
  By eating anything other than fruits, we may be interfering with the dharma of certain species of life propagating themselves, and bringing harm to ourselves.
  
  I am prepared to eat only vegetables and fruits rather than fruits alone, as my daily pujas and my offer of the food to God before eating absolves me of any adharmic act in eating lower plant life forms and seeds.
  
  
• From: BAB (@ cache-dq08.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Dec 22 18:40:56 EST 2003
  
  Being vegetarian alone is not enough for healthful life.
  
  We need to eat only what is absolutely essential for health and not always for pleasure because we can afford to eat well.
  
  Many of us are vegetarians and we still suffer from all kinds of ailments and die young.
  
  If we take a look at the wealthy vegetarians around us, we will see how fat they are and the kinds of health problems they have.
  
  Many I know vegetarians have pot bellies and are fat with all kinds of health complaints. Everything in moderation is the secret to health.
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Thu Jan 1 02:26:31 EST 2004
  
  The Dangers of Meat
  
  
  
  A summary of the PBS special called:
  
  "Modern Meat: A PBS Frontline Documentary"
  
  Aired Thursday, April 18, at 9pm, 60 minutes
  
  
  
  
  It's as American as apple pie and vastly more popular. The hamburger has become our national food: Americans eat more meat than any other people in the world, with the average person devouring three hamburgers a week. And with more meat available than ever before, today's beef costs 30 percent less than it did in 1970, making it that much more attractive to consumers looking for a quick, cheap meal.
  
  Yet despite new federal safety regulations, more than 100 million pounds of meat has been recalled since 1998 due to suspected bacterial contamination. And just last summer, the nation's largest meat processor had to recall 500,000 pounds of beef contaminated with e.coli bacteria from seventeen states.
  
  How much does the average American know about the beef they're eating? Have dramatic changes in the U.S. meat industry compromised the overall safety of American beef? And are the new federal regulations enough to guarantee the safety of the meat we eat?
  
  FRONTLINE explores these and other questions in "Modern Meat," airing Thursday, April 18, at 9 P.M. on PBS. Through interviews with current and former U.S. Department of Agriculture officials, meat inspectors, food safety experts, and industry representatives, the one-hour documentary reveals how today's highly-industrialized meat business has fundamentally changed the composition of the typical American burger, causing some to fear the spread of serious -- and even deadly -- bacteria. The program also explores the powerful U.S. meat industry's attempts to resist certain government regulations aimed at preventing contaminated meat from ending up in supermarkets and fast food chains across America.
  
  "I think what the [meat] industry is saying is that they don't want to be accountable for the product that they're selling," says Eric Schlosser, author of Fast Food Nation, an expose of the meat and fast food industry. "This industry has fought against food safety inspection for a hundred years."
  
  "Modern Meat" takes viewers inside the U.S. meat industry, beginning at the cattle ranch and then moving on to the "feedlot" -- a huge industrial holding pen where as many as 100,000 cattle are held together until they are fat enough to be slaughtered. Then the carcasses make their way down a Detroit-style assembly line or "dis-assembly line," as one industry insider quips -- where modern advances have enabled some meat companies to strip as many as 400 carcasses an hour -- nearly three times as many as in 1970.
  
  But such modern efficiency may pose potential health risks.
  
  In "Modern Meat," FRONTLINE speaks with numerous scientists and industry observers who raise serious concerns about today's meat production system. With large numbers of animals being raised together in huge feedlots covered with feces, they say, it's easy for bacteria to spread from one animal to another.
  
  "Cows tend to produce feces [and] feces is primarily bacteria," says Glen Morris, a microbiologist at the University of Maryland and a former USDA official "When those bacteria are spread around, there's ample opportunity for bacteria to be spread from one cow to the next.
  
  "In the larger feedlots," he adds, "there's a greater chance for the passage of microorganisms back and forth. All of that contributes to the spread of microorganisms like e. coli."
  
  http://www.stephen-knapp.com/the_dangers_of_meat.htm
  
  A true tamil should be only a Vegetarian. Our Agamas prohibit meat eating and bali:
  
  http://www.aagamam.com
  
  
• From: giridhar (@ 61.11.81.61) on: Thu Jan 1 04:01:55 EST 2004
  
  Indian BRAHMINS wante dto have control over the AFRICAN population in india in order to make them weak , they false propogated the agenda of not to eat meat...........when they became weak , the brahmins were feeling safer and occupied indian land.........you can eat any thing edible as you like don't believe in indian tricksters(brahmins)
  
  
• From: Anti Cannibal (@ 202.142.92.79) on: Thu Jan 1 05:16:47 EST 2004
  
  ??? you can eat any thing edible as you like don't believe in indian tricksters(brahmins) ???
  
  Human Flesh also edible. Go eat your mother and father u cannibal idiot.
  
  
  ????People who follow vegetarian food like Brahmins & Jains do so because they feel it's sinful to kill an animal & eat its flesh. ????
  
  
  Shruti.. u wont get answer if u question to derogate. The reason u mentioned is not the only one. You will know why people are vegetarian when u eat a "MAD COW". Go Ahead ;)
  
  
• From: Raju (@ 202.142.92.90) on: Thu Jan 1 05:19:47 EST 2004
  
  shruthi (thread starter)....my dear lovely shruthi......
  if ur tamil then i love u...otherwise i dont love u. meanwhile if vegetarian is eaten by humans then who eat non-vegetarain...also it is eatten by humans. so the best thing to do is to stop thinking of trees and meat...but rather be my wife and the mother of my kids....(conditions apply)....i love those innocent faced buddisht, jainist and tamilian girls.....god !!!! they r damn hot hot hot hot to the power of 100....and while typing my room temperature is upto 5000 degrees centigfrate....aaah Shruthi i love u....
  
  Thank very much,
  ur lover boy,
  raju (telugu boy)
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 131.178.0.213) on: Thu Jan 1 15:28:28 EST 2004
  
  //From: Anti Cannibal (@ 202.142.92.79) on: Thu Jan 1 05:16:47 EST 2004 //
  
  Kunju Nakki(@ 202.142.92.79)
  
  I have a question for you!
  
  When Lord Shri Rama the homo Ba$tard of Ayodhya sucked his brother Lakshmana's C0CK and drank his spermatic fluid, was that considered vegetarian?
  Why accuse others when your own Lord Rama indulges in such things?
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 131.178.0.213) on: Thu Jan 1 15:32:07 EST 2004
  
  //From: Periyar Arivar (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Thu Jan 1 02:26:31 EST 2004 //
  
  Kunju Nakki arunmozhi mayiraan (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) now impersonates Periyar Arivar????
  
  Kunju nakki, do you have the URLs for any other Hindutva sites like the petition site? I would like to post more Ayodhya Rama's pun-dai adventures!
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 131.178.0.213) on: Thu Jan 1 15:34:33 EST 2004
  
  Azhagiya Mithilai Nagarinile
  Yaar Kunjai Janaki Sappinaal?
  Azhagiya Raman soothu ottaiyai yenni
  Lakshmanan kunjai sappinaal
  Laksh....manan kunjai sappinaal!
  
  
• From: Star (@ adsl-68-77-157-221.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) on: Sat Jan 3 05:22:47 EST 2004
  
  First explain why you didn't post porno on 26th December, you filthy-low class Thevar. Is that the day the Jewish whore had her b-astard son? Or is it the day you're mother dropped you on you're head?
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 131.178.0.213) on: Sat Jan 3 09:52:11 EST 2004
  
  Pun-dai Star:
  
  Tell me:
  
  
  Do you Hindu Pigs consider Sperm as vegetarian or non-vegetarian?
  
  When Lord Shri Rama the homo Ba$tard of Ayodhya sucked his brother Lakshmana's C0CK and drank his spermatic fluid, was that considered vegetarian?
  
  
  How come you havent banned my ID "mummudicholan" yet?
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 131.178.0.213) on: Sat Jan 3 09:55:13 EST 2004
  
  Also, isn't Lakshmana's C0CK considered as meat?
  
  So when Lord Shri Rama of Ayodhya sucked Lakshmana's meat, wasn't that non-vegetarian?
  
  
• From: Book (@ 67-127-176-2.ded.pacbell.net) on: Fri Jan 30 18:22:13
  
  Shruti if you really want to know by Jain's don't consider trees and frutis as meat and feel like they are not "killing" the tree is..tree only has sense of touch..if u go to google and type in your question i am sure you will get the answere you are looking for...and
  
  AND mummudicholan if you DON'T have any good things to say about Lord Ram or Lakshman keep your mount shut and don't insult any religion at all..
  
  
• From: Surya (@ adsl-64-166-143-81.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) on: Fri Feb 13 19:40:04 EST 2004
  
  eating plants and fruits and etc, doesn't kill off the pland, for example, eating an apple doesn't kill the tree, but eating a chicken will kill the chicken. so thats the reason
  
  
• From: babu (@ 61.95.237.171) on: Sat Feb 14 02:36:34 EST 2004
  
  Beatiful surya, you are great
  
  
• From: ramesh (@ 61.11.81.16) on: Sat Feb 14 04:49:48 EST 2004
  
  Brahmins eat cow Dung and drink cows urine , they believe thats what they have to do to be without sin, if you like eat cow dung or else be normal
  
  
• From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Feb 14 13:41:19 EST 2004
  
  Since when do we eat cow dung, and urine, cow urine is actually proven to be a medicine for some deseases, but thats not the point. No one eats cow dung or urine anymore ramesh
  
  
• From: SUyra (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Feb 14 13:41:49 EST 2004
  
  Thanks babu
  
  
• From: karthikdevan (@ u255n125.eastlink.ca) on: Sun Feb 15 00:11:00 EST 2004
  
  //Beatiful surya, you are great//
  
  Whoooo! Babu will want to suck on Surya's pussy next!
  
  
• From: m*m*c (@ u255n125.eastlink.ca) on: Sun Feb 15 00:13:02 EST 2004
  
  Babu! Also check out Pun-dai Star's mother! She is a high class prostitute!
  
  
• From: babu (@ 61.247.245.252) on: Sun Feb 15 09:52:39 EST 2004
  
  I am not babu, i am papu
  
  
• From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 17 18:04:55 EST 2004
  
  Karthikdevan i know that u and mmc are the same person, so please keep ur perversions to ur self.
  
  
• From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 17 18:05:55 EST 2004
  
  Perverted Bast*rds!
  
  

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