Topic started by :) (@ d150-188-223.home.cgocable.net) on Fri Jan 9 22:10:29 EST 2004.
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Shocking story of Indian indentured labour in Guyana and the way they were treated http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/coolies.shtml

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• From: Urme (@ host81-130-33-216.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Tue Jan 27 06:52:49 EST 2004
  
  >>From: Urme (@ host217-37-153-164.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Mon Jan 26 14:31:51 EST 2004
  
  Now you would know why I had to say ....In Trinidad such a man would be called a ‘Pantyman’ and in Guyana an ‘Antiman’.<<
  
  I think I should share this. Last night I found out that th English way of saying this is 'Fop' and 'Misses Mop'. I laughed until I had terrible tummy ache. I was up most of the night with this ache and still laughed all 6 am in the morning while still in bed :-) :-).
  
  You Foppish Fop.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ host81-130-134-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Tue Jan 27 09:32:37 EST 2004
  
  
  Those words 'FOP' and 'Misses Mop' would not be found in an English dictionary because they are Georgian words.
  
  >>From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Tue Jan 6 18:32:56 EST 2004
  
  
  For some reason some 'indians'those who immigrated in some islands few hundred years ago, and living with whites and african immigratns think and rate themselves as a 'second class' there - according to their rating the first class is whites and third class is the african immigrants- though they are all having some similar strange no-impressive culture. That is what u really see with 'you' here. <<
  
  Why Island people? What about places like South Africa. The same realtionship between Whites, Blacks and East Indians exist. What, you don't want to offend your Tamil friends in that country. Guyana isn't an Island either.
  
  You people need to be dealt with once and for all and I am slowly doing that and getting to the bottom at my own time of course.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ host81-130-134-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Tue Jan 27 09:33:52 EST 2004
  
  That post from 'UKW' on 6th January 2004 can be found in thread 'Ulagam enbadhu ethanai pEr?'.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ host217-37-153-164.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Tue Jan 27 10:32:54 EST 2004
  
  For those who think Guyana is an 'Island'.
  
  http://guyana.gwebworks.com/synopsis.shtml
  
  
• From: Urme (@ host81-130-191-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sat Jan 31 11:34:54 EST 2004
  
  As a lady of my word, I haven’t forgot about this thread and I am back to deal with where left off from, but can't get into full details as wished at this stage. But to illustrate my points, I will come back to threads like: Why Indian guys love and prefer white women; Tamil men Marrying Guyanese and Trinidadian Women; Indians in Trinidad; Casteism the bane of India - how to remove it? Topic started by :) Punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on Tue Nov 12 15:00:20; Are the Indians in Trinidad and Guyana of Tamil origin (by Mani); Fiji Indians returning to India and the 'Racists attack' thread.
  No doubt a Chronology of events that led to my opinion: How Punnahai came to open the thread 'Indentured-ship in Guyana' very specific, not in West Indies or Surinam; a series of pre-existing direct attacks on me by Punnahai; how other Tamils rushed to defend her claiming they are scholars and as such they are right an tried to prevent my views.
  The initial problem is that Punnahai thought that Guyanese who are North Indians should not be on this Tamil forum, but should go elsewhere. That is evident from the time I claimed that Guyanese people are North Indians. She later got aggravated where ‘Mani’ tried to point out that Guyanese people have South Indian heritage and at that time, I could not concretely agree or was still uncertain(can be seen from my arguments on the Fiji thread dated …). Then I realised the Guyanese people had inter-marriages with North Indians and South Indians where the present generation of Guyanese people can be regarded as 50% North and 50% South). Another example of prejudice against Guyanese and Caribbean people was evident where the said Punnahai restricted the caste system to India and continued to do so vigorously after my attempts in her thread ‘Caste…’ the impact of Indian’s caste system (see …). I find it quite contrary that such a person suddenly opened a thread to look for her country men in Guyana from 150 years ago who left the Indian shore, followed from my ‘racists attack’ thread (see …), but in fact she was trying to prove that all Guyanese people came form low caste backgrounds and did so in personally attacking me from the ‘racists attack’ thread. This argument has resulted to claims that it was 'only me' the resentment was supposed to apply to. This resulted to the opening of my thread ‘Indian-British’. She came there to defend herself calling me a Dunce, meanwhile all the evident hat shows that she could be Dunce with shortcomings for a person who has not gone through ‘things’ like myself, were soon taken off apparently by Tamil admins in assisting her and to make Tamils in general look good. What I can briefly summarise is that in the Why Indian guys love and prefer white women thread, I had already explained in that very thread the background of it which was much before Punnahai’s comment in it against me(was to get Indian men to respect white women after learning how they are being viewed by Indian men). Much of what I said on this basis has been edited so the purpose of the thread would be kept hidden. Then Punnahai came deliberately taking down my family and friends and suggest I go to a Guyanese forum because at that time (her attitude had changed from thinking I am South Indian to being a North Indian Guyanese). She Punnahai knew I am Guyanese before she made these statements in the white women thread9see Fiji thread on 29th July 2003) below). These are the evidence in this white women thread:
  i)From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net) on: Mon Jul 28 16:33:31 EDT 2003
  >>Please go to some Guyanese forum and spread your paranoia among your fellow Guyanese
  ii)From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net) on: Mon Jul 28 16:20:27 EDT 2003
  >>"Wake up. "
  
  Urmila,
  
  Please go and ask your Guyanese relatives and friends to wake up.>Urmila is human whether she be a Chinese or Guyanese or any nationality>>
  vi)3rd September 2003 Bab said ‘some returned and some stayed’ after their intentureship in Guyana and Trinidad.
  
  vii)The Punnahai went on to make comments like the forum is Tamilian
  
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  Note the sequence in which Urmila is a human being distorted by the admins in the thread I put up and these posts including those from myself justifying the position of North and South make of Guyanese Indians and that I am not fair, I am brown,
  missing.
  Again, if I was mistaken, Punnahai's attacks on me in her own casteism thread mentioned above, is further evidence and Bab commented again, about her gross 'Prejudice and bigotry', all because I am Guyanese and assumed lower caste. The Tamil admins also found it necessary to take off this thread of real evidence against Tamil Punnahai. Then in the racists attack thread, you can see how Punnahai strived 'diplomatically' to bring down Guyanese people and by going as far to say that we Guyanese because of past history make up false claims and accused me of a series of things I addressed over the last few weeks in other threads. In this racists attack thread, as she realized her mistakes and that they would show, she tried to cover them up. For example, why would one open a thread on 'Indentureship in Guyana' alone when that occurred in so many other countries and Islands. The as she realized this she brought in 'Surinamese'. The when she realized her 'prejudice' against North Indians would show, she made comments to the effect about her North Indian countrymen. What does he think, we are idiots like her other Tamil Counterparts, make crude statements, then try to cover it up and expect that we accept the cover ups. I am sorry, it has been happening too often on his forum.
  My views can be supported by posts from others and myself in threads like: Tamil men Marrying Guyanese and Trinidadian Women; Indians in Trinidad and 'whether the people in Guyana and Trinidad are from Tamil origins'.
  There is no doubt in my conclusions that Tamil Punnahai is hung up on skin colour from a simple comment I made in the latter threads, was in search of revenge, took advantage and then Shreeya's thread came into play. Why a series of one sided approach and attacks from her all the way over some months and since it was revealed that Guyanese could be only of North Indian origins? As I have illustrated over the last weeks, various posts were made by Punnahai over a period of time against me – to knock me down deliberately not that she had legitimate arguments and when examined closely there were no merits in them. The woman is just malicious and even if I said something to upset here, she made sure she gave back 100 times. She argued with no substance, maturity or integrity and of all the mockery committed on this forum by Tamils, you never see a Tamil correcting another Tamil. They have all enjoyed in pointing out that 'Diaspora Indians' are of low caste and made something of it. How can one correct the other? Then we have those good at scolding than contributing to this forum, did not find it necessary to scold her. Why?
  These people(in India in particular Tamils) are just ignorant of Guyanese people, their history and culture, why educate them at our expense, they would find ways out of that too, to further put us down. I think we Guyanese here should leave these people alone, nothing to gain from them but a bundle of trouble - suffered at hand of Indians, British and Africans and some of us had repeats-people who have gone through such ordeals, must shine after, gold only shine after a series of processing - we don't have any obligation to bend to British or India's upper caste, they have a duty because we have been violated by them, but they still display superiority and once that is existing, there will be trouble. It is no accident that I came on this forum – came for a good purpose – believe it was God’s will. I have no regrets after all.
  Punnahai is allowed to make amends realizing where she went wrong, but will not be allowed to do so at my expense- you people don’t worth my time – she is the type who will go on and on finding ways out.
  I am not quite finished, will come back and it will be sometime before I could read any response or reply to them because, I will be making my way over the Atlantic Ocean to meet up with family and friends long left behind and to attend to other commitments by the time you read this all.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ host81-130-191-21.in-addr.btopenworld.com) on: Sat Jan 31 11:38:15 EST 2004
  
  Note some reference missing, will complete later.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ ) on: Fri Feb 13 11:26:38
  
  In the meantime PPL ought to know that the 'UKW' challenging me is also known as Ramadass who I had personal troubles with before(see my 'Educational problems in Britain' thread).
  
  
• From: Urme (@ quebec-hse-ppp3619701.sympatico.ca) on: Fri Feb 13 13:14:58 EST 2004
  
  "What we do doesn't define who we are, what defines us, is how well we rise after we fall".
  
  

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