Topic started by Ken.G (@ ss3.bluebird.ibm.com) on Wed Aug 7 18:24:59 .
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Do we need a caste
I do not how it is started
I do not when it is started
I do not know who started this

(Also I do not want to know about this stupid history…)

But whoever did..they are evil to human community…

If they say “No…No.. it was started very long long long ago…just based on work”…then why the hell we still follow this.

Because all the Job Titles has changed now then (Do we want toto Re-Name every one..again)

Now we all know the caste is inappropriate or misused. This the time to think

I am trying to think ..How to fix this.

How to avoid the caste in Tamil Nadu

Why do not we identify ourselves as a “TAMIL” with out any sub-sub caste

No one is forward or backward all are equal. Why do we keep this idiot concept?

What is the scale to measure...?

If govt. want to give a special care for one team then they should be identified based on economic background (I think former Chief Mins.Thiru M.G.R has tried this but you no success)

Officially we should remove the "caste" thing from Tamil Nadu.

Because of the Govt. benefits ...every one want to keep the “Backward” identity

Just I want to know…If I leave blank in caste a column of any form
(School/employment/etc…) will the Govt. accept it…??

Getting married to other caste
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Getting married to other caste did not erase the caste…instead it is making more complicated…??

You know Govt. is having some special scheme for this type of marriages. Actually Govt. gives some free money to this couple (Not for all ..Who ever wants they can apply for this. They have to prove that they are from different caste.)

So this Inter-Caste couple …proudly says “we are Inter-Caste couple”..??
Hell with them…can’t you forget your caste even after marriage…?

So they are trying to get attn. by saying this…or trying to get money from govt. by doing this….or…whatever the reason “inter-caste” marriage does not fix the problem

Changing the Religion
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Also changing the “religion” did not fix this. If a Caste “A” person changes his/her religion for example from Hindu to Christian …then he referred as a “Christian A” ….?

He was “Hindu A” now he is “Christian A”…? we are not ready to drop the Title “A”

I am not lying…please see the matrimonial columns in all news paper ..you can see all interesting thing… like we are Hindu A but Christian A is acceptable…?

(Please Please….here I am using the 2 religions “Hindu A/“Christian A” as an example)

Responses:

• From: ranjit (@ cache83.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Aug 20 11:46:36
  
  
  FIRSTLY THE WORD HINDU IS NOT An INDIAN TERM. IT WAS ADRESSED BY THE
  FOREIGNERS.
  
  WHEN THE FOREIGNERS CAME TO INDIA AND THEY SAW INDIANS AROUND
  SINDHU RIVER,THEY ADRESSED THEM AS SINDHUS AND LATER SINDHU WAS
  PRONOUNCED AS HINDUS.
  
  SO, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY SO CALLED RELEGION IT WAS A WAY OF LIFE BY
  THE INDIANS AND LATER THEIR WAY OF LIFE WAS SAID TO BE RELEGION
  CALLED SINDHU AND LATER TO HINDU.
  
  INDIAN HISTORY BEFORE 500BC THE DRAVIDANS WERE THE NATIVES OF INDIA
  AND AMONG THE DRAVIDAN LANGUAGES,TAMIL IS SAID TO BE THE OLDEST LANGUAGE.
  
  SO BEFORE 500BC THERE WERE NO CASTE SYSTEM AND DRAVIDANS AT THAT PERIOD
  OF TIME WERE BRIGHT IN SCIENCE AND MATHS.
  
  LATER DURING THE 1500BC,IS WHEN THE ARYANS CAME TO INDIA.
  ARYANS WERE FROM CENTRAL ASIA.THEY WERE ILLITRATES .
  THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ OR WRITE.THEY THEN HAPPEN TO LEARN THE
  SCIENCE , MATHS AND THE LTERATURE IN INDIA FROM THE DRAVIDANS.
  
  LATER THEY FORMED THEIR OWN WRITING CALLED THE SANSKRIT AFTER 1500BC
  ARYANS LEARNT THE DRAVIDANS WRITTEN LITERATURE AND THEN THEY CONVERT
  THEM IN THEIR STYLE OF WRITING .
  
  ALMOST ALL THE NORTH INDIAN LANGUAGES WERE FORMED FROM THE INFLUENCE
  OF SANSKRIT
  
  ARYANS WERE INTRUDERS AND ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL INHABTANTS OF INDIA.
  ARYANS LEARNT THE ANCIENT DRAVIDAN"S LANGUAGE TAMIL AND FORM
  THE SANSKRIT SO IT IS HALF TAMIL AND HALF SANSKRIT .
  THERE ARE EVIDENCE SAYING THAT SANSKRIT HAS GOT WORDS BORROWED FROM
  THE ARABIC WRITING.
  
  SO IT IS NOT A LANGUAGE WHICH HAS GOT A MIXTURE OF THE
  DRAVIDAN"S LANGUAGE ,ALSO FROM ELSEWHERE LIKE THE ARBIC.
  
  SANSKRIT A LANGUAGE WHICH WAS FORMED AFTER 1500BC CAUSED A GREAT
  INSULT TO HINDUISM WHEN IT IS SAID TO BE A SACRED LANGUAGE OF HINDUISM
  WHEN THE TRUE NATIVE INDIAN DRAVIDAN LANGUAGE WERE THERE BEFOR 200BC.
  
  
  
  HOW SANSKRIT CAUSED BAD NAME FOR HINDUISM ?
  ________________________________________________
  
  AS WE KNOW SANSKRIT IS MADE UP BY THE ARYANS,AS SAID EARLIER IT HAS
  NOT ONLY GOT THE INFLUENCE FROM THE DRAVIDAN"S LANGUAGE BUT ALSO FROM
  THE ARABIC .THAT THE ARABIAN THINKS THAT SANSKRIT SO CALLED
  SACRED LANGUAGE OF HINDUISM HAS WORDS BORROWED FROM THE
  ARABIC AND HEBREW AND HAVING SLIGHT CHANGE IN IT"S STYLE OF WRITING.
  
  EVEN THE CASTE SYSTEM WHICH DIVIDES EVERY INDIAN INDIVIDUALS WERE MADE
  BY THE ARYANS .
  
  INDIANS CAN BE THE SMARTEST AND CAN ALSO BE THE STUPIDEST WHEN MATTERS
  LIKE THIS ARE CONCERNED.
  
  HOW THE INTRUDERS FOOLED WE INDIANDS FOR CENTURIES?
  IT IS SAD THAT THE NATIVE INDIAN LANGUAGE IS JUST
  SAID TO BE A LANGUAGE SPOKEN BY THE DRAVIDANS
  AND THE LANGUAGE WHICH CAME FROM THE INFLUENCE
  OF SANSKRIT HAPPEN TO BE THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE
  OF INDIA. IT IS A REAL SHAME.
  
  
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-36-222.mantraonline.com) on: Sat Aug 24 15:57:46
  
  Ken.G,
  
  I agree with u 100 percent. WE DO NOT NEED CASTE, at any part of our lives.
  
  I sincerely dont understand why the government cannot ban the system of asking
  caste in any application form? All they do is to rename streets, renumber PTC
  buses!
  
  Forward caste enjoyed it for sometime. Now backward caste is enjoying it.
  The game is over. Nobody lost! Nobody won! I feel we shall all rule out the term caste
  and get going.
  
  As such we have innumerable problems with religion and fanatism based on religion.
  Atleast caste can be discarded.
  
  What was once probably formed or invented for the purpose of better living (may it
  be caste or religion) is creating pain to every individual.
  
  To all who start millions of threads ( NOT CONSTRUCTIVELY POINTING OUT THE
  BEST IN THEM....BUT RIDICULING THE BELIEFS HURTING THE FOLLOWERS)
  
  SANSKRIT
  TAMIZH
  ARYANS
  DRAVIDIANS
  BRAHMINISM
  MUSLIMS
  HINDUISM
  IS JESUS REALLY A GOD?
  IS RAMA REALLY A GOD?
  PROPHET AND HIS LIFESTYLE
  
  ETC... (List neverending)
  
  What do we achieve discussing these in destructive manner? We throw nasty words
  on each other, and hurt other's feelings. Is it helping ANY OF US to flourish
  intellectually, psychologically or atleast financially????
  
  Or by any person named ' X ' agreeing on our views, are we going to be salvated?
  Each one is egoistic and they can never agree upon other's views.
  
  So what we waste is ......
  our time
  our energy
  our peace of mind.
  
  Ppl, stop arguing and make this world a better place to live.
  
  Let caste be eradicated.
  Let religion be each one's personal belief. (Where others DO NOT INTRUDE)
  
  thx,
  Shakthi.
  
  
• From: Kanthavelu Nadarasan (@ edtntnt7-port-124.dial.telus.net) on: Sun Sep 1 13:20:39
  
  Shakthi,
  I very much agree with what you just said. vaNAkkam!
  
  
• From: :) Punnahai (@ d150-35-51.home.cgocable.net) on: Mon Sep 2 07:43:19
  
  Shakti:
  
  Participation of sane people like you are needed in the Tamil History threads.
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-34-69.mantraonline.com) on: Mon Sep 2 14:45:52
  
  Punnahai,
  
  I seriously tried my best to choose any thread there.
  
  I feel suffocated with talks n topics!
  
  I can never withstand such crowd.
  
  PPl argue there
  1.KNOWING THEY ARE WRONG
  2.TO INSULT OTHERS
  3.TO UNDERMINE OTHER RELIGION AND CASTES
  4.WITH ABUSIVE AND INSULTING LANGUAGES
  
  I seriously did try posting 2 to 3 posts, but no!
  Its not my cup of tea!
  
  :)
  
  if any sensible topic crops up, I would post my views.
  
  :))
  
  
• From: Kanthavelu Nadarasan (@ edtntnt3-port-100.dial.telus.net) on: Mon Sep 2 17:59:22
  
  mihavum nallathu, Shakthi! appuram pEsalAm!
  
  

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