Topic started by TrueSeeker (@ cache2-2.ruh.isu.net.sa) on Thu Jul 10 04:40:54 .
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People who sincerely search for true guidance of our Creator may visit the site Quran in Tamil..
http://www.tamililquran.com/

Thank you..

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• From: Joe (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg) on: Thu Jul 10 07:17:05 EDT 2003
  
  Trueseeker,
  That is a very good site which will be very useful for reference..Thanks
  
  
• From: ali (@ 203.127.227.242) on: Fri Jul 11 01:52:16 EDT 2003
  
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  The Indian Muslim Council is dedicated to restore Gandhi’s vision of a pluralistic India and calls upon all people, regardless of their religious background, to help resist the Hindutva forces that have steered the world’s largest democracy towards fascism
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  Oh yeah, and when Gandhi was among your lot how did the imams and Muslim leaders treat him? Did they not say he was a kafir and even a fallen adulterous drunk mussalman is dearer to them?
  In all these years after independence the Muslim councils have never said anything positive about Gandhi. Now that they have been on the receiving end of violence instead of dishing it out they have suddenly realized the value of Gandhi. So how about condemning the Kashmiri militants who cut off the heads of the six women for not wearing burkha?
  And while they are speaking about a pluralist India how about mentioning a pluralist Iran or Saudi Arabia?
  
  The sheer hypocrisy of it!! Apparently the boot is a powerful pacifier.
  
  This remind me of Al Razi, Ibn Rushd, Ibn Sina, Ibn Arabi and other great minds that Muslims rejected as heretics, and in some cases burned their books and banished them, but now they hail them as the proponents of “Islamic” science.
  
  Islam is nothing but hypocrisy as Muhammad himself said, “war is deceit”. So the Muslims are simply following the teachings and examples of their prophet and use deceit to win the propaganda war.
  
  
  
• From: Umnaivilembi (@ 166.121.36.7) on: Fri Jul 11 03:00:13 EDT 2003
  
  Dear brother True Seeker,
  
  I think the Tamililquran site will help non-muslims understand Islam better. Although I am no-religion I believe in God, Peace and Mutual Respect.
  
  Respect for one another's believe is very important for peaceful co-existence.
  
  I am sure the site will also help dispel the opinion that Islam is an Arabic religion - which assumes that all Muslims should adopt the Arabic language and culture and give up their ancestral languages and cultures.
  
  Tamil muslims especially will find the site a good resource.
  
  
• From: arasan (@ 166.121.37.7) on: Fri Jul 11 03:58:35 EDT 2003
  
  "Although I am no-religion I believe in God"-that is exactly what God wants..really..Islam is a prescribed way of life and not a religion with a lot of fanciful and strange rituals.
  Of course the Arabs have been controling us like masses. The west even though may know what the heck is the real thing may just play along with the arabs for ..oil..
  
  
• From: Ali hater (@ newgw4.me.iastate.edu) on: Fri Jul 11 19:10:13 EDT 2003
  
  ali,
  
  you hypocrite. You want a gandhi's secular India free from the fascist forces (which ofcourse I agree to) and you want all Isamic countries to remain as such with medival dark age stupid rules and fanaticism. First you make those 50 or so ood islamic countries secular before you open your mouth to make India truly secular.
  
  Shame on you double standard anti-nationalist paki loving morons.
  
  
• From: ali (@ 203.127.227.242) on: Wed Jul 16 01:53:28 EDT 2003
  
  ndex to some of the verses of Quran
  * Torment to Non-believers-> 4:56
  * Only Islam Acceptable-> 3:85
  * No friends from outsiders-> 3:118
  * No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51
  * No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28
  * No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23
  * Fight non-believers-> 9:123
  * Kill non-believers-> 4:89
  * Anti Jew verses-> 5:82
  * God a "plotter", deceiver -> 8:30
  * Killing Idolaters-> 9:05
  * Idolaters are unclean just because they are idolater-> 9:28
  * Forcing Christians and Jews to pay tax-> 9:29
  * The Torment of Hell-> 44:43-58
  * All except Muslims/Jews/Christians/Sabeans will go to hell-> 2:62 5:69
  * Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers-> 8:12
  * smite the neck of unbelievers->47:4
  * Severe Punishment for atheists-> 10:4 5:10 5:86
  * Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6
  * Punishing non-believers of Hereafter-> 17:10
  * Punishing for rejecting faith-> 3:91
  * Non believers go to hell-> 4:140 7:36
  * Partial Believers go to hell too-> 4:150-1
  * Sadistic punishments-> 56:42-43
  * Punishment for apostates-> 16:106 3:86-88 3:90 4:137
  * Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16
  * God making someone more sinful so he can be punished more-> 3:178
  * Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
  * Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Quran-> 17:45-76
  * It is God who causes people to err and He punishes them for that-> 17:97
  * God could guide, if he chose to, but did not-> 6:35
  * Intentionally misguiding those whom he pleases to->14:4
  * Willfully misguiding some-> 16:93
  * God causes human to err-> 4:143 7:178
  * God deceiving human-> 4:142
  
  http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles.htm
  
  
• From: Unmaivilembi (@ solar-gw.zapsurf.com.sg) on: Wed Jul 16 05:34:22 EDT 2003
  
  My dear brother Ali,
  
  Could you please explain this? I would like to understand this better.... I have been thinking all along that God is full of mercy and compassion... does these verses really mean that some people are prevented by God from becoming His followers? (Misguiding?) Please could you enlighten me on what these verses really mean?
  
  God making someone more sinful so he can be punished more-> 3:178
  * Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth-> 6:25 6:110
  * Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Quran-> 17:45-76
  * It is God who causes people to err and He punishes them for that-> 17:97
  * God could guide, if he chose to, but did not-> 6:35
  * Intentionally misguiding those whom he pleases to->14:4
  * Willfully misguiding some-> 16:93
  * God causes human to err-> 4:143 7:178
  * God deceiving human-> 4:142
  
  
• From: ali (@ 203.127.227.242) on: Fri Jul 18 01:40:29 EDT 2003
  
  And let not those who disbelieve imagine that the rein We give them bodeth good unto their souls. We only give them rein that they may grow in sinfulness. And theirs will be a shameful doom
  3.178
  
  Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients." 6.25
  
  : And when you recite the Quran, We place between you and those who do not believe in the hereafter a hidden barrier; 17.45
  
  
  : And whomsoever Allah guides, he is the follower of the right way, and whomsoever He causes to err, you shall not find for him guardians besides Him; and We will gather them together on the day of resurrection on their faces, blind and dumb and deaf; their abode is hell; whenever it becomes allayed We will add to their burning. 17.97
  
  And if their turning away is hard on you, then if you can seek an opening (to go down) into the earth or a ladder (to ascend up) to heaven so that you should bring them a sign and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have gathered them all on guidance, therefore be not of the ignorant. 6.35
  
  
  We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom. 14.4
  
  And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did 16.393
  
  Wavering between that (and this), (belonging) neither to these nor to those; and whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall not find a way for him 4.43
  
  Lo! the hypocrites seek to beguile Allah, but it is He Who beguileth them. When they stand up to worship they perform it languidly and to be seen of men, and are mindful of Allah but little;
  4.142
  
  www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
  
  
  
  
  

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