Topic started by Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on Fri Jan 31 08:25:54 .
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How does India fare in combating Discriminations, such as racial, disable, sexual discriminations, here in the west, we have discrimination acts, as well Government Legislation, but in Countries, like India & Srilanka, we have many discrimination, esp the so called caste discriminations, are the public of these countries protected by appropriate laws/Legislations?

Us humans should realize, that we are not all perfect, it is not the ppl fault of humans being disable, but the tragedy of nature, and do we treat our disable/ethnic minorities/ ppl fairly??

Responses:

• From: Ayutkaiti (@ ce7.time.net.my) on: Fri Jan 31 09:57:45
  
  “Us humans should realize, that we are not all perfect, it is not the ppl fault of humans being disable, but the tragedy of nature, and do we treat our disable/ethnic minorities/ ppl fairly??”
  
  Don’t worry about it, Raghu. Six feet of earth makes us all equal; no matter we are fair, beautiful, rich, wise, ugly, dark, poor or simply nitwit.
  Discriminated? Neglect, march forward, ever forward, without fear and without hesitation.
  Rules and legislations are just second options.
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Fri Jan 31 10:29:36
  
  Ayutkaiti, welcome :-)
  
  >>Six feet of earth makes us all equal<<
  
  very well said, at the end, all we ever have left for us is six feet of earth, we came naked, without anything, we go back naked without anything, if every single human being realise this, don't you think world would be heaven?
  
  
• From: Nisala (@ aca057d9.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jan 31 19:13:59
  
  Raghu,
  
  "here in the west, we have discrimination acts, as well Government Legislation, but in Countries, like India & Srilanka, we have many discrimination"
  
  
  What you are referring to is something called the rule of law, which the west has but countries like India and SL have only to a lesser degree.
  
  Countries like the US which had extremely grotesque histories of racism were largely (not completely) able to overcome due to their legalist traditions. Attempts had been made to legalize racism (such as Jim Crow laws in the American South) but ultimately they failed because they contradicted the basic structure of the US Constitution: namely, that it was the government's duty to protect individual rights- Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness (or Property) and that all individuals are equal before the law.
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Fri Jan 31 19:36:22
  
  Is Raghu saying if everyone of us is naked the world will be heaven? :-)
  I will send my serious reply to discrimination later.
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ wc05.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sat Feb 1 02:50:44
  
  >>here in the west, we have discrimination acts, as well Government Legislation<<
  
  Dear friend,
  Others may be right, but racism is the worst in western countries.
  
  In my view, countries like Singapore does not suffer much by these.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Feb 3 06:25:14
  
  Tamilnattan;
  
  >>Is Raghu saying if everyone of us is naked the world will be heaven? :-) <<
  
  enna lolla :-)
  
  Kajan;
  
  Yes, racism is very worst in western countries, but we should not forget how racist we are in our own backyard, typical example is descrimination against the cast, when we are all same colour, we create a silly dumb cast system due to the profession of a person, if a man milks the cow and make a living out selling milk, he is branded as "koviyar", hence untouchable, first of all, we should destroy the cast system completeley, then we can discuss about racism in the west.
  
  >>In my view, countries like Singapore does not suffer much by these.<<
  
  yes, that's because Singapore is multi cultural society, un like the west !
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Feb 3 06:27:35
  
  I would like to know the probabilty of disabled person (wheelchaired) getting a job in India / Srilanka?, 0.01/100 ??
  
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Mon Feb 3 09:00:47
  
  Disabled people have quotas in India to get a job. I am not sure about Ilangai.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Feb 3 09:50:29
  
  what is a quotas?, is it like some allowance or something ?
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Mon Feb 3 10:31:52
  
  De Raghu,
  
  It's like some percentage of jobs reserved for diabled people. How is it in ilangai?
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Mon Feb 3 10:34:30
  
  I also heard that in Singapore (or Hongkong) Govt has lot of schemes to promote child birth among Chinese origin people so that their population does not decline in comparison to the other racial groups. That's a clear example of discrimination.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Feb 3 11:08:41
  
  Tamilnattan;
  
  Ilanghai- well, the country has been engaged with civil war, for the last 20 yrs, I left when I was 13, so I am not sure about it.
  
  vatta
  
  
• From: Ayutkaiti (@ ce8.time.net.my) on: Thu Feb 6 00:05:56
  
  “Singapore (or Hongkong) Govt has lot of schemes to promote child birth among Chinese origin people so that their population does not decline in comparison to the other racial groups. That's a clear example of discrimination”
  
  Here in Malaysia, certain Chinese clans offer very attractive incentives to encourage the Chinese people to have more and more babies. The well-known reason for this is to increase the community’s population here. It may sound ‘sheer discrimination’ but when we look at it at the other way, it is not for the purpose of discriminating, anyway. This technique can be equates with the term ‘economic injunction’.
  
  Malaysia is a Malay-majority country where the government gives much priority to the Malay people, in many aspects – from education to career. The only reason the government gives - ‘we need to look after the majority’. Okay, that’s fine, Mr Government.
  
  Look what’s happening in Indonesia. The Chinese there are not even allowed to have their Chinese names! Why?…they are the minorities, not enough of population…thousands of reasons.
  
  The only way for us, the non-bumiputeras (the Indians and Chinese) to baldly demand our rights is through the high population-quota. The more we are, the better still we are!
  
  In fact, some Indian NGO’s have encouraged the Indians here to have more babies (but they don’t offer any incentives, anyway).
  
  But on emotional ground, I’ve the guilty and unsatisfied feelings on this baby-boom scheme. Babies should be born out of love and not for the mere purposes of incentives and for social-upgrading reasons. How would he feel when he grows up, only secured by the huge deposit in the bank and not the love of any of his parents? That’s devastating! !!
  
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Fri Feb 7 08:04:09
  
  Ayutkaiti;
  
  Good post, but not many participants, I thought, shakthi, Skantha, Fridge would post but :((
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Fri Feb 7 10:18:15
  
  AyuL Kaidhi,
  
  Thanks for verifying what I said about population growth encouragement of Chinese population in Malaysia (though I though it was in Singapore, or Honkong. I am sure it happens there also). Asking some group to expand in population is same as elimiantion other groups (same effect).
  Raghu started with the idea that in India there are not sufficient laws to prevent discrimination. I think Raghu is incorrect. There are as much laws as it's in the west to fight discrimination in India. But you can not change the way people feel by laws alone.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Fri Feb 7 11:50:02
  
  TAMILNATTAN;
  
  
  >>Raghu started with the idea that in India there are not sufficient laws to prevent discrimination. I think Raghu is incorrect<<
  
  That is exactly what my intention was, I mean I work for Government charity company in London, this charity is for deaf ppl or hard of hearing ppl, day to day, I meet deaf & blind ppl, it is extremely a sad situation, I do what ever I can to help, nearly 30% of the staff are deaf, but as we have English laws to protect these ppl, they can work, they have a future, it is illegal for any company to discriminate any ppl due their race, skin colour, gender, disability and so on...
  
  But back in our country these ppl do not have chance in their life, besides that, these ppl are treated like dirt, they are treated like some aliens, y are our society so cruel and evil towards these ppl, they would make fun of these ppl, it's not their fault, if they are born with defects, any of us could have been born with defects, we can not chose, how we born, where we are born and to whom we are born or what we look like, it is all the process of GOD (Nature).
  
  I hope all these ppl change and help these disabled ppl, with what ever they can and change our society, but I know I am day dreaming :((
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Fri Feb 7 13:16:49
  
  Raghu,
  
  It's very nice that you are working with disabled people and trying to help them the most.
  I dont know about Srilanka. As far as India is concerned, both the consitution and the legistlation have provisions to protect the minorities.
  But how these people are viewed by the society can be different from what the law/constitution expects.
  Raghu, did you hear about the discrimination lawsuit at the Ford Motor company in UK? There was also one other lawsuit in a Japanese car company in UK.
  I am quoting them as examples of the difference between mere existence of the law, and how well that law is received by the society.
  
  
• From: Ayutkaiti (@ ce8.time.net.my) on: Sat Feb 8 11:43:44
  
  Dear TamilNattan,
  
  “Asking some group to expand in population is same as elimination other groups (same effect).”
  
  Calling to have more babies, like u have said, MIGHT bring polarization in future but anything good will happen in the long run….maybe the other groups realize that they too need to be smart and increases their population?!!
  But anyway, discriminations are not taking place pending on the population of the community being discriminated. You know, 3 advantaged people can freely discriminate 6 disadvantaged people. A population criterion contributes very little in the road of discriminations. The rest involves other hidden stuff.
  Referred and related to my above posting, even if we (the Chinese and Indians in Msia) were finally be able to equalize our population quota with the Malays, we are not assured to have the cup of tea the Malays having all this while!!!
  
  As far as I concerned, not the entire Singapore and Hong Kong Chinese are encouraged to have more kids. Its only certain clans (or Kongsis like the Koos, Chongs, and Khaws) are being encouraged.
  
  Anyway, I always try hardly to response in one or two words but..well…errr…u know…
  
  BTW Ayutkaiti = AyuL Kaidhi ?? :(
  
  
  Raghu, nice knowing that you have a special part of the heart for the unfortunate. May they get what they deserve!!
  
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Sat Feb 8 12:52:39
  
  KadavuLin anbiRku neer aayuL kaidhi endRu solla vandhEn :-)
  
  
• From: Ayutkaiti (@ ce8.time.net.my) on: Mon Feb 10 04:00:08
  
  kadavulukkuma???!!! :(
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Mon Feb 10 10:54:12
  
  KadavuLin anbu thavira vERu yaar anbiRku aayuL kaidhiyaaga irukkiReer !
  
  
• From: Ayutkaiti (@ ce8.time.net.my) on: Tue Feb 11 08:58:23
  
  Athupogattum.....u speak, sorry type fantastic Tamil, Mr TamilNattan!
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Tue Feb 11 09:42:23
  
  Thank you AyuL Kaidhi,
  
  "Tamizh engaL iLamaikku paal
  Inba thamizh engaL pukazh mikka pulavarkku vEl"
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Wed Feb 12 01:30:41
  
  I am not a cricket fan, but just saw the pictures of Arvinda De Silva, Jayasuriya, and Chandana. Their superior looks are just making me convinced of the theories of PiNavi Ratnam :-)
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Feb 12 05:01:29
  
  Tamilnaatan & Ayutkaithi
  
  aama, enna topic thisai mari poguthu? :))
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Feb 12 05:03:34
  
  Tamil nattan;
  
  >>I am not a cricket fan, but just saw the pictures of Arvinda De Silva, Jayasuriya, and Chandana. Their superior looks are just making me convinced of the theories of PiNavi Ratnam :-)<<
  
  pls explain, ennaku onume puriyala :))
  
  
• From: TamilNattan (@ cvg-65-27-251-73.cinci.rr.com) on: Wed Feb 12 07:28:39
  
  Sorry Raghu, thappaana discussion-il post seydhu vittEn ! Kuzhamba vENdaam..
  
  

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