Topic started by Parasakthi (@ 165.dynamic.cais.com) on Thu Jul 5 14:47:45 .
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I have been trying to find out Cho's "Informed!!" opinion on Kalaignar's arrest and the Police Atrocities, from the net;but, unfortunately, since he does not like Internet/email, probably the net has just ignored him!..

If somebody could Enlighten! me on this Great crusader for Democracy's!!!!? "Uyarntha Karuthukkal!!" on this episode, i would be really glad!!? about it......

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• From: krishnan (@ gatekeeper.igidr.ac.in) on: Sat Jul 7 03:08:59
  
  CHO did come on 'Podigai' and took strong exception to the way the police handled the
  so called 'arrest'.
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Sat Jul 7 10:43:18
  
  "moderate Brahmins"
  
  rajaG,
  
  In those two words lies the problem. Caste has to be eradicated by a zero tolerance alone. One can be either pregnant or not, cannot be moderately pregnant.
  
  
• From: chandru (@ 210.186.53.52) on: Sun Jul 8 02:25:24
  
  >Jayalalitha was in a hurry to wreak vengeance, >the two Union ministers committed the crime of >assaulting the police and the Centre has over->reacted.
  
  So this is what Joker Cho has got to say about this whole episode. In his latest Thuglaq issue as usual after beating around the bush he has justified Jayas action. Infact he sounds Jaya should have done it more wisely. I strongly urge all sensible people not to give importance to this Comedian. As long as we have people like Cho petty and grand dictators like Jayalalitha will have a good time.
  
  chandru
  
  
• From: shard (@ lan-202-144-125-38.maa.sify.net) on: Sun Jul 8 04:36:38
  
  Once upon a time Cho Ramaswami may have been the voice of the masses. Now it seems like he just wants to make a noise. Poor man, he's growing senile and I guess it's time he retired.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.117.167.131) on: Sun Jul 8 23:08:21
  
  Sugrutha:
  
  >>Caste has to be eradicated by a zero tolerance alone<<
  
  Do you think the term "moderate Brahmins" is a oxymoron ? I didn't get you. Well, if you can sum up in a few lines, I request you to. If not, I don't want to let this thread digress from Cho. You may choose to offer your views some other time.
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Mon Jul 9 00:05:25
  
  Srini,
  
  O.K. Some other place :-)
  
  Continuing on Cho, as I mentioned elsewhere, he cannot equate JJ's act with Maran's defiance. Arrest without warrant is a greater transgression than a violent resistence of the same.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.117.167.130) on: Mon Jul 9 00:50:49
  
  That's right. I am really puzzled why Cho is maintaining lame excuses and not coming out with the kind of condemnation this event demands. Why does he have to soft pedal if he has nothing to gain from J ? If he does, what is it ?
  
  
• From: Parasakthi (@ 56.dynamic.cais.com) on: Mon Jul 9 01:31:18
  
  
  Srini,
  
  >>However, I am not sure why a communist N Ram, or a lunatic Subramania Swamy or a self-styled (at times bizzarely) Cho or even Kanchi Mutt chief should be taken as representative of their community even if they think/ feel they are. <<
  
  
  
  I would like to point out somemore "Moderate" Brahmins from history :
  
  Appar
  
  Ramanujar
  
  Bharathiyar
  
  Rahula Sangrityayan("Volga to Ganges")
  
  Raja Ram Mohan Roy
  
  ParithiMal Kalaignar
  
  Jawaharlal Nehru
  
  The whole problem arises when yourealise that, "Moderate" brahmins like the above-mentioned who have lived, during various phases of India's 'Sanathana - varnasramadharma' past, have NOT represented the typical, quintessential Brahmins.....or Brahmanical thinking......
  
  So, it's like a vicious circle which keeps repeating itself...
  
  The "exceptions" should become rules....which is were true "Samathuvam" would start....
  
  
• From: shard (@ lan-202-144-125-38.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 9 01:32:24
  
  I don't think wether he is Iyer or Iyengar is Cho's real problem. It's just him. He is at the stage when he craves attention through controversy. I think senility is also a factor and maybe fear. Let's face it JJ can be a bitch(my apologies to all female dogs) (((and I am not using the abuse in a sexist manner))) when she gets angry.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Tue Jul 10 16:08:26
  
  Sugrutha: For a long long time, in Calcutta and in Kansas, I have lived blissfully ignorant of what my backgroud or caste is. I merely identify Brahminism as some traditions which we practice inside the four corners of our home. It is only after coming to forumhub that I am regularly "reminded" that I am a "Brahmin". I neither carry a guilt NOR a chip on the shoulder because of my heritage. I honestly believe that any exclusivity associated purely by birth is wrong - whether it is a "privilege" to be the priest or a "curse" to clean the toilet. However, I have difficulty in digesting your contention that one has to take an extreme view, a black or white, a zero or one, and there is NO middle ground. I will not say that NO wrongs were done by the Brahmins of the past. Neither will I agree that all evils have a Brahminical origin (as you have contended here/somewhere). I think criticizing the idea rather than the people has bettr chance of success. But, what do I know?:-)
  
  
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Tue Jul 10 19:06:19
  
  rajaG,
  Since Srini has requested me not to hijack this thread, I will respond in the Tamil History section in the thread "Are Brahmins more intelligent...".
  Thanks,
  And BTW, dont say 'what do I know'. In this world every human being's opinion counts and should be listened to - unless someone is extremely repetitive like Kid-Hart :-) Then one can discard all the rest except the first time opinion.
  
  
• From: s.p.durai (@ 210.186.53.19) on: Tue Jul 10 23:53:50
  
  dear ms parashakti appar(Thirunavukkarasar) was not a brahmin as you have pointed out.He comes from saiva vellalar community.
  
  
• From: vagees (@ securit-v1.twc.com) on: Thu Jul 12 18:47:20
  
  CHO is a comdedian. He does not deserve a place in this forum for sensible discussions
  
  
• From: karthikeyan (@ tan7.ncr.com) on: Sat Jul 21 10:08:22
  
  While people might have two opinions about Mu.Ka's arrest, it wasn't done in an illegal manner except for the police high handedness. An arrest warrant is not required for cognizable offences such as cheating/corruption.
  
  
• From: chandru (@ 203.106.185.24) on: Sat Jul 21 20:53:13
  
  Are you a regular reader of Thuglak. You and your assessment, it stink man. One fine day morning without following any procedures (as the Magistrate Ashok Kumar said) the bloody police come and arrest someone and say we have the power we need not tell you what is the reason for arresting you. It is not democracy,its dictatorship, period. As long as people like you and Cho exists petty and grand dictators like Jaya will have no problem.
  
  
• From: vagees (@ 1cust57.tnt6.houj.da.uu.net) on: Sun Jul 22 01:50:52
  
  I was admirer of CHO. Now I regret I read a Komali's nonsenses so far
  
  
• From: stg (@ st53-new.aramco.com.sa) on: Sun Jul 22 03:38:47
  
  Karthikeyan. For cognizable offence an arrest warrant is not needed sure.. but that is only when corruption is caught red handed. Otherwise any one can file a complaint and anyone can be put behind bars..do you think this is stanlist russia? ok do you know that the supreme court has laid down norms for the arrest of any person? and mk's arrest does indeed flout those norms
  
  
• From: Pillay Ramasamy (@ webcachem06b.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Sun Jul 22 06:12:26
  
  I was an ardent admirer of Cho's views in the 80's.He use to give honest opinions of ADMK and DMK then, though I must say he was biased against MK.When MGR passed away he described Janaki as "moondram class sivar" and JJ as "matriculation
  paditha sivar".The same Cho was advising the people of Tamilnadu to vote JJ in 1991. I stopped buying Thuklak since then.One could see his folly when he was accusing DMK of not supporting Moopanar to become PM in 1996. Imagine what Moopanar would have done to the image of the PM's position outside Tamilnadu and India.Cho is a first class joke.
  This is a candid observation of a Malaysian Indian living in Europe.
  
  
• From: Balumuthu (@ c-24-6-206-44.client.comcast.net) on: Fri Apr 2 17:05:07
  
  Gentlemen, Brahmin as defined in scriptures, are not born, but made by their actions, deeds and thoughts, with an unspoken commitment to help society to grow, by insisting on the marriage of intelligence with a spiritual devotion to i)society's and humankind's good as well as ii)ecological balance designed by the Creator. He of course sets an example of this precept - silently. By this definition, Brahmins and the other three communities do exist universally, but remember, NOT BY BIRTH BT BY TEMPERAMENT AND INBORN ABILITY. The non-Brahmins are, let us remind purselves without fighting: the police and military community (many politicians want votes from "community" vote banks, but they also talk of communalism, and economists talk of "communitarianism") (ii) the socially conscious mercantile and industrial 'class' (Marx doesn't that word but now has started loving the capitalist 'classiness'!), and (iii) the labour "caste" ( called Sudras loving temperamentally the dignity of physical labour - but who likes this overworked loathsome word?). I REPEAT THESE FOUR CONSTITUTE the inexorable divine law of creation for humankind, and scientists are trying to find out if there are some easy genetic technologies by which to generate DNAs for producing a society with these four pillars - no question of superiority/inferiority among these indispensable pillars of a progressive and fast-evolving human society! One wonders whether such a quest will ever succeed!! Let people rovide these INDISPENSABLE pillars in a natural evolutionary manner, NOT ARTIFICIALLY BY heeditary caste labels by birth BUT THROUGH CONSCIOUS EFFORT BY training and educational development depending on demonstrated aptitdes and abilities- this IS NEVER POSSIBLE THROUGH DENOMINATIONAL RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS, be it of the Chrurchianist or Jehadi or other variety. Churchianity has started preaching "democracy" - drinking, dancing, and dying tomorrow, for ALL; Jehadis have forgotten innocence and humanity and started killing all indiscriminately, Hinduism is long dead ever since the occupational-aptitudinal colours were labelled by heredity through castes of birth; and so on.... Let us try to create such a fourfold healthy "division" or "diversification" of man, in society's interest. Now, do you say Cho, Nehru, Gokhale, Prakasam Garu, Rabindranath Tagore are Brahmins, or non Brahmins. Depends on how you assess they married their commitment to society with their own "inborn" (DNA) related psycho-physical makeup.... I AM NEITHER A CLASSLESS COMMUNIST, NOR A CASTEIST, NOR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. I am a Bania (shopkeeping mercantilist) or an intellectual with or without spirituality, or just a bully against bullies (Kshatriya). I don't claim to be any of these, but it is for the Supreme (?) to certify... but who cares for such a certificate. Keep living, and 'let' others, better positively help others, live.
  
  

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