Topic started by Ganesh (@ 192.237.114.65) on Thu May 3 14:10:03 .
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now tell me about beauty, everybody considering it...but I couldn't figure out what is beauty...

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• From: Madurai Veeran (@ 17.san-francisco-15-20rs.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat May 5 14:04:19
  
  Ravi Sundaram writes
  Jan, Ganesh mentioned the evolution and natural selection. It is very much true. We
  instinctively like certains shapes, colours and smells and hate some. For example the daffodils are poisonouse. The grazing animals that liked the smell and shape of daffodils eventually all died out and the surviving animals and their decendants have a strong dislike for daffodils. Similarly male animals develop a liking for female shapes that suggest good chances for many healthy offspring.
  
  Evolution does not have a teleological purpose. It is all happenstance. There is no good reason for the selection of L-amino acids and D-sugars. All living creatures, from the lowly blue-green algae to the homo-sapiens, are made of L-amino acids and D-sugars.
  
  Why? That infinitesimal difference in the otherwise 50-50 distribution of left and right polarization of light when passing through quartz, it has been argued, is responsible for the selection of L-amino acids. What about D-sugars? If nucleic acids came first, did they have a purpose to evolve self-replicating mechanisms? Does selfish DNA really have a selfish agenda? It is all happenstance.
  
  Let's leave chemical evolution and move on to organismal evolution.
  
  All animals, with the exception of humans, seem to have developed what we describe as instinctual likes and dislikes. Essentially, those cattle that have learnt to avoid daffodils, seem have this knowledge passed on from their parents in their genes.
  
  Unfortunately or fortunately, this mechanism for some reason seems to have been eliminated in humans. Once the brain began to evolve to confer the gift of thinking and analyzing, all those hominids that inherited the genetically hard-wired instinct began to lose out in the battle for survival in changing environments. What this essentially means is that, genetic predetermination of 'intelligence' has no
  evolutionary advantage -if it surfaces once in a while in the form of Braggs and Curies, it is a vestigial evolutionary junk. So, when it comes to humans, it is more than survival of the fittest in the Darwinian sense. Brain, conferred on us yet another component to optimize - the cultural evolution.
  
  All our likes and dislikes are reinforced by the environment. You can see this in a growing child. Beauty as we understand in different cultures, certainly is a concept learnt from the society. Have you ever come across a young child that disliked a mother (or father) because she was horrible looking? [You may argue that maternal bondage is instinctual. I don't think it is true].
  
  Ravi Sundaram writes
  Robin posted some research trying to correlate commonly accepted notions of femnine beauty among homo sapiens with success rate in child bearing. Here we are essentially looking at the male point of view. The evolution set the problem up differently for females. With the same fundamental objective, that is genetic immortality, their problem is different. They want strong males who will be able to provide adequate food supply for her and her children, males who would be able to defend and protect the children, males who would bestow breeding advantage to her children etc. That is how nature has programmed females.
  
  Commonly accepted notions of feminine beauty, again, are manufactured by the society (media). All those who lust after those 'paragons of beauty' like Marilyn Monroe, do you really think, wanted to procreate through them? Of course,the society has indoctrinated males into believing that such feats as conquering beauties like Marilyn Monroe, are an index of your one's male-hood. Again, look at the Western world,
  sex and procreation are completely delinked. You want to have sex with a woman, not because you want to procreate; you simply want to have fun and a sense of accomplishment - to advertise on the scoreboard. Does it really feel that different when one has sex with a beauty queen compared with an average woman? It is all in the mind, the mind that has been brainwashed into believing whatever garbage the society has dumped on you.
  
  Let's look at the lower animal kingdom. Do all those females go after the strongest males, because they want to pass on the strongest of the genes? Most of the time the strong male eliminates the weaker ones and imposes his will on the female.
  
  Moving on to the concept of beauty, symmetry has nothing to do with beauty. After all, all humans have plane of symmetry - mirror. Symmetry is repetition (periodicity) and is very boring. It is the rhythm - an orderly breakdown of symmetry - the fractals -that is what beauty is all about.
  
  Whether it be the sunrise or sunset, or the melodies of sound, if every human, irrespective 'race' and culture, is able to appreciate the beauty that is where the intrinsic beauty of nature lies.
  
  
• From: V SUndar (@ access-isdn1-19.oz.psu.edu) on: Sat May 5 19:20:34
  
  Idiots...
  As many drunken accidents prove,
  
  Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.
  Remember, friends don't let friends beer goggle!
  
  Enjoy,
  Sundar
  
  
• From: mini (@ 202.9.169.223) on: Sun May 6 03:56:43
  
  no...not too big......
  
  
• From: Ravi Sundaram (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Mon May 7 08:02:19
  
  MV, Let me first define the terms so that there is no cofusion.
  
  Natural Selection: Likes and dislikes inherited at birth, small physical changes that happen randomly. If it provides a breeding advantage
  these changes will spread through the entire
  population of that species.
  
  Cultural Selectin: Likes, dislikes, behavioural
  patterns learnt from environment, parents and peers. It MAY or MAY NOT provide a breeding advantage.
  
  No one can deny cultural selection exists among Homo Sapiens. The ellimination of all dark skinned people from the northern european population is about 1500 generations is a clear example. Blond hair and blue eyes do not provide that great a survival advantage. If it did, the recent African immigrants would have so many health problems living is Europe.
  
  But has it really elliminated the Natural Selection? All the prejudices, behaviours and instinctive reflex actions that have accumulated in our genes over millions of years have been completely replaced by those learned from our parents, peers and the society?
  
  I dont think it has. Infact most of us depend on the fact it has not :-)
  
  For example the wife's brain is telling her: "Look at that lazy slob, playing Nintindo all day. Finds four hours to play it but not 20 seconds to squirt WD40 in the flush handle." But deep in her heart
  subconsicously she is getting a different message,
  "Look at that prosperous paunch. May be this primate is hailing from a fertile part of the forest. Or may be this one is the sleazeball Alpha Male types. Probably steals and extorts food gathered painstakingly by the Beta males. mmm. sticking with this gorilla will give protection to my kids and give us all food." That would explain
  why so many beautiful women end up marrying men who resemble gorillas. And still the marriage survives.
  
  Coming back to the main topic: Men define beauty as how closely a girl *looks* like Aishwarya Roy. Women define beauty as how closely a man *behaves* like a silverback alpha male gorilla.
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 192.237.114.65) on: Mon May 7 10:57:59
  
  mini,
  it is nice to hear your eyes are not big....I was sooo scared....
  
  Ravi Sundaram wrote:
  "Men define beauty as how closely a girl *looks* like Aishwarya Roy. Women define beauty as how closely a man *behaves* like a silverback alpha male gorilla."
  
  I like it....
  
  
• From: Susmitha (@ 203.202.106.236) on: Wed May 9 22:27:35
  
  You cannot give any specific definition to beauty. Some say, as already been discussed, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
  
  I feel that beauty is what you love. When you love a person (I do not mean the programmed love for US based men..) truly from the bottom of your heart, he or she will be the most beautiful peson for you. Only take care to maintian and nourish that love othewise, that beauty will turn to ugliness very fast....
  
  
• From: Japan (@ 210.186.102.148) on: Wed May 9 23:10:11
  
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• From: Cambodia (@ 210.186.102.148) on: Wed May 9 23:10:46
  
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• From: Supriya (@ acb4ae19.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu May 10 13:12:48
  
  I don't know what you guys are talking about..but i am sick of one saying which goes like "Beauty is skin deep". That's deep enough, ain't it?
  Who wants adorable pancreas and lungs ?
  
  Over to u...
  
  
• From: Sujata (@ 24.69.170.174.on.wave.home.com) on: Thu May 10 14:24:10
  
  >>That's deep enough, ain't it?
  Who wants adorable pancreas and lungs ?
  ..<<
  
  Of course it is deep enough for those that can't go deep enough to reach the soul.
  
  
• From: KovaiPras (@ dhcp-171-68-137-225.cisco.com) on: Thu May 10 16:36:24
  
  moagam ennum maayap paeyai naanum konru poada vaendum
  manadhil unadhu aadhikkam ilamaiyin azhagu uyiraip paadhikkum
  
  is the definition of beauty.
  Unfortunately this song is sung in tamil nadu where beauty is a rarity
  
  
• From: vagees (@ securit-v1.twc.com) on: Thu May 10 17:41:00
  
  Males : Uthiyogam (Job)
  Females: Perumatram(Malayalam)
  Behaviour
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 192.237.114.65) on: Fri May 11 11:07:06
  
  KovaiPras wrote:
  "manadhil unadhu aadhikkam - ilamaiyin azhagu uyiraip paadhikkum " is some what acceptable...But his next sentence :
  "Unfortunately this song is sung in tamil nadu where beauty is a rarity" is unacceptable... how can you say that?
  if you combine both of your sentence, then your thought is inconsistent...Is anybody disagree with me?.
  
  
  
  
• From: Krystle (@ ) on: Sun Sep 28 18:39:09
  
  I agree...beauty goes deeper than the skin which covers our bones. If your soul is beautiful than what does that tell you?
  
  
• From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.164) on: Tue Sep 30 00:17:28 EDT 2003
  
  As Keats said "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"
  
  Whatever gives you Joy is beautiful!
  It could be look of your beloved, smile of a child, caress of a rose petal, grace of a dancer, humility of an aristocrat, and a million other things!
  
  
• From: Etienne (@ 216-237-212-13-pppoe-s.northstate.net) on: Wed Oct 1 16:56:44 EDT 2003
  
  The most beautiful men are from Kerala and have healthy paunches and dark, sexy, hungry eyes. If there are any out there who don't mind deep herbal massage and live in North Carolina, USA.
  Please contact!!
  
  
• From: david (@ host217-44-175-118.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) on: Fri Dec 5 07:50:52
  
  Doing a portfolio on the body beautiful. any info comments, suggestions eagerly awaited on topics such as. History of the changing body beautiful, anxieties over diet and vitamin supplement regimes, gender race and the body beuatiful etc. chers dave
  
  

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