Topic started by SRIDHAR KAY (@ 203.197.138.167) on Wed Mar 3 07:33:57 EST 2004.
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It is said that Thirukural was written by Thiruvalluvar during 2000 AD and the age of Thirukural is 2035 now. After this was written by Thiruvalluvar, so many ageold scripts like Pathupattu, Ettuthogai, Seerapuranam, Kalithogai,Thevaram,Thiruvasagam etc.,were written by Great poets. Is there any mention about Thirukural in anyone of the scripts,written after the period of Thiruvalluvar? Plz.answer.

Responses:

• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Wed Mar 3 12:47:05 EST 2004
  
  Well, I know for sure - the author of Silapathikaram - Elango Adigal quotes Valluvar. And Elango lived during about 150CE (AD)!
  
  Do you need the Silapathikara verse?
  
  
• From: SRIDHAR KAY (@ 203.197.138.167) on: Sun Mar 7 06:42:55 EST 2004
  
  Anbarndha Thiru Idiyappam, Nandrigal pala. Idhu enna. Idiyappam. Nalla punai peyar thangalaukku kidaikka villaiya?
  
  Yes I need the Silapathikaram verse.Send if possible.
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Mar 8 14:18:51 EST 2004
  
  Sorry, Mr Sridhar, I missed this thread! Here we go!
  
  Cilappathikaaram Madurai Kaantam
  
  
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  The first line is from a Kural of Valluvar that Elango quoted.
  
  the kural - Vazhkkai Thunainalam
  
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• From: pg (@ debonair.is.temple.edu) on: Mon Mar 8 15:23:47 EST 2004
  
  Interesting, Thiru Idiappam ! Although it is an indirect "quote", could there be a possibility that ILangO adigaL thought of that phrase himself ?
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Mar 8 16:42:12 EST 2004
  
  //Although it is an indirect "quote", could there be a possibility that ILangO adigaL thought of that phrase himself ?//
  
  Exact replica of the line....... Ilango could have thought of it himself? What are the chances?
  
  
• From: p (@ debonair.is.temple.edu) on: Mon Mar 8 17:12:40 EST 2004
  
  Well, that was just a thought; did not mean to offend your source or interpretation.
  :))
  Has any Sangam poet directly quoted Valluvar ? Again, just a question, not trying to attack :)
  
  
• From: pg (@ debonair.is.temple.edu) on: Mon Mar 8 17:22:33 EST 2004
  
  By "directly quoted Valluvar", I mean has anybody said "According to Valluvar... or according to thirukkuraL..."
  
  The limitations of a second language are quite evident here :)
  
  
• From: SRIDHAR KAY (@ 203.197.138.167) on: Wed Mar 10 06:33:40 EST 2004
  
  
  
  Thanks..for your kind response.Thiru Idiyappam. I don't know how to read the changed tamil letters. Could you send the same in Transliteration..Neengal anupiyulladhai appadiyay Aangilathil theriviyungal.
  
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  Thanks also to PG.
  
  
• From: pg (@ debonair.is.temple.edu) on: Wed Mar 10 10:10:52 EST 2004
  
  Sridhar Kay:
  
  Here is the Silappathikaaram verse. I tried my best to separate the phrases :)
  
  Theyvam thozhaaL kozhunan thozhuvaaLaith
  Theyvam thozhunthakaimai thiNNithaal- theyvamaai
  MaNNaga maathark kaNiyaaya kaNNagi
  ViNNaga maatharkku virunthu.
  
  
  ThirukkuraL:
  
  Theyvam thozhaaL kozhunan thozhuthezhuvaaL
  Peyyenap peyyum mazhai.
  
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• From: SRIDHAR KAY (@ 203.197.138.167) on: Thu Mar 11 06:25:38 EST 2004
  
  Thanks Mr Pg.for your efforts. Thankx a lot.
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Fri Mar 12 12:56:10 EST 2004
  
  Thank you PG, for your transliteration.
  
  Mr Sridhar, Manimegalai, written by SAthanAr around the same time of Ilango, have the full Kural quote too:
  
  
  Manimegalai, siRai sei kAthai 22: 59-61 goes:
  
  
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  ¦Àö ±Éô ¦ÀöÔõ ¦ÀÕ Á¨Æ" ±ýÈ «ô
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  here sAthanAr, refers to Valluvar as 'poiyil pulavar'
  
  There are some information on an earlier thread at the literature section. see:
  
  Thiruvalluvarin Kalam
  http://forumhub.com/tlit/422.14.12.14.html
  
  //Do you like the name 'TAMIZHVIRUMBI'. pLZ.iDIYAPPAM vENDAM.//
  
  Ok, but not now, I have some job to finish here!
  
  PG said:
  
  //Has any Sangam poet directly quoted Valluvar ? Again, just a question, not trying to attack :)//
  
  Ah, no! Keep asking PG, There are others on the forum who may know of some Sangam Poets quoting Valluvar.
  
  

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