Topic started by GV (@ hse-london-ppp244335.sympatico.ca) on Sat May 12 23:52:05 .
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At 0015 New York Time:

Tamilnadu:

AIDMK: 112 DMK: 35

Kerala:

UDF: 53

LDF: 29

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• From: Star (@ dial0-204.dialin.uic.edu) on: Fri May 14 05:05:17 EDT 2004
  
  Urme,
  
  This is the first time in my whole life I am ashamed to call myself Indian.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 203.145.183.220) on: Fri May 14 05:08:13 EDT 2004
  
  ""What other nation of the world, what Western country, will elect a foreigner as head of state? ""
  
  yes No other country would elect, but India and has done that right now, we have to accept that.
  Its India and you have to accept its unique diversity else you are ignorant.
  Shes not a foriegner but an Indian of Foriegn origin, accept her rights.
  
  No other govt will allow its own people to be killed and driven out of their homes on the basis of religion and Mr Modi had done that saying its his national pride.
  
  ""Mahatma wasted his time?""
  Even the people of his own state/ native land never learnt from him? why others.
  
  Define India first and then talk about Indian unity and pride.
  Rewriting Indian history will never bring a new India.
  
  Give some Respect to our law which says Sonia is a citizen of India.
  
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri May 14 05:18:38 EDT 2004
  
  From: Star (@ dial0-204.dialin.uic.edu) on: Fri May 14 05:05:17 EDT 2004
  
  
  >>This is the first time in my whole life I am ashamed to call myself Indian.<<
  
  I truly share your feelings and I do so from the bottom of my heart. Those who suffer the consequences of such leaderships, would feel this way.
  
  When we think of leadership, we think of someone who would lead and serve in good faith. We do not know the hearts of people, but we tend to trust those we have most in common with - the same interests and more over, someone from the same county of birth. Just being a previous spouse on its own should not be a criteria, let alone the only one as far as I can see here. Furthermore, India has been betrayed by foreigner in the past, it has only been some 50 years since. India was just getting back on its feet.
  
  I know each individual have heir views which they are entitled to, but when all the points are evaluated, I think Star's come at the top. I was thinking the same before I saw them. It is the only way to respect India and its diversity. Because at the end of the day, some group will be shortchanged and if that is the case, it should not be by a foreigner, although I hope the Indian rulers would learn and be fair to all its people.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri May 14 05:20:22 EDT 2004
  
  I should say for that matter > Indian was betrayed by foreign rulers in the past ..
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri May 14 05:22:35 EDT 2004
  
  should be >India and not Indian.
  
  I should go to bed (its 4:35 a.m Canadian time). I am highly emotional at this time. I could imagine how some of the people from India feel at this particular time.
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ alecto.mt.pl) on: Fri May 14 08:11:32 EDT 2004
  
  Dear Hindu Dogs, Hindu Pigs, Hindu whores, Hindu Sluts, Hindu Scum and Hindu Vermin!
  
  Why don't you go and hang yourselves from a tree and let dogs piss on you?
  
  It is time your tails were cut off!
  
  Now lets cut off Vajpayee's hairyu balls & Advani's Hairy balls, grind them is a meat grinder and stuff them down Soothya & Amanjyot Star's Anus!
  Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ alecto.mt.pl) on: Fri May 14 08:18:38 EDT 2004
  
  //the people from India feel at this particular//
  
  The real people of India are the ones you brahmin fuks call as "Dalits". For me I would rather have a foreigner rule India than be ruled by the sick immoral Hindu Brahmin sewer rat scum of the earth. Maybe the Brits should never have left India.
  
  
• From: mummu (@ alecto.mt.pl) on: Fri May 14 08:24:41 EDT 2004
  
  The people of India are the ones who voted for Sonia! How do you think we feel?
  
  Sonia may be a foreigner. You brahmanas are foreigners as well. But she is human, while you brahmanas are sewer rats.
  
  
• From: URME (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri May 14 10:14:19 EDT 2004
  
  Well, I guess India is playing the price for what Hindus of the past have done while the foreigner is languishing. India was also very generous in and allowed all kinds of foriegners to go there and do what they want(now its out of control) which will never happen in a western state. India has to go through this before it can sort itself and find real light. I hope one of the first step is to provde education for all. Despite all the immigrants to the western world, they western leaders know how to perpetuate a christian state with white rulers.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Fri May 14 10:22:41 EDT 2004
  
  should be >paying;
  >India has to go through this before it can sort itself and find real light.< I mean here, India shed light to the world, its the true source of light and that was done through Lord Rama. That time will come again once darkness is completely passed and that would only be fully appreciated after having experienced the peiod of darkness which we are currently in. Indians and Ina always had the right cards, but lost sense of playing them and I know that sense will come back.
  
  Whoever want to call me a pig, hindu dog etc. go head. I still believe Hnduism how much it has gone down due to the past, will come uo again because in it is where true susbstance lies. Nevermined, the borrowing and mixing stages, it will return to full and true form when India will shine again.
  
  
• From: Cygnus (@ pool-70-16-133-69.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Fri May 14 13:12:14 EDT 2004
  
  
  From: http://www.hindu.com/2004/05/14/stories/2004051412521300.htm
  
  
  RSS blames it on `dilution of Hindutva'
  
  By Neena Vyas
  
  NEW DELHI, MAY 13. The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and its affiliate, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, have blamed the defeat of the Bharatiya Janata Party-led National Democratic Alliance Government on the "dilution of the Hindutva ideology" by the BJP.
  
  While the RSS held that this was "one of the factors" that led to the fall of the BJP, the VHP secretary-general, Pravin Togadia, blamed the party's defeat entirely on "betrayal" of Hindutva by the top BJP leaders.
  
  "The Bharatiya Janata Party betrayed the Hindus. The BJP left its core ideology of Hindutva and trust on the basis of which they were voted to power. For votes they tied up with the jehadis."
  
  Clearly indicating that he was unhappy with the start of the peace process with Pakistan, he added that "Vajpayee [the Prime Minister] and Advani [Deputy Prime Minister] used Pakistan and [Pakistan President] Musharraf to get Muslim votes."
  
  Finally, without mincing words he said: "The Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister betrayed them [the Hindus]. Hindus punished them."
  
  The RSS spokesperson, Ram Madhav, told The Hindu that a detailed analysis of the election results would be undertaken and discussed at a meeting of the RSS office-bearers sometime later. For the moment he could say that "there was a perception over the last four to five years that there had been dilution of the Hindutva ideology." And this was one of the factors in the defeat. "The grassroots traditional voter and cadre of the RSS was not so enthusiastic about the BJP. There were also some organisational differences. Our cadres did work [for the BJP during the elections], but there was resentment on several issues, Hindutva and also economic issues," Mr. Madhav added.
  
  However, the RSS was reluctant to fully endorse Dr. Togadia's statement. Mr. Madhav indicated that winning or losing was part of the political game and there was "no question of the RSS pressuring Mr. Vajpayee to retire" or go into the background. He denied speculative reports that the NDA defeat and the considerable reduction in the number of the seats won by the BJP itself would be used to ease Mr. Vajpayee out and replace him with Mr. Advani as the pre-eminent leader of the BJP. "Mr. Vajpayee was the BJP and the NDA leader, he will remain that," he added.
  
  The "other factors" that came into play during the elections was the "failure of key alliance partners, especially in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu," Mr. Madhav added.
  
  The RSS leaders are currently engaged in their training programmes that will continue till June 15. "After that we will certainly meet to discuss in detail the factors that led to the defeat," he added.
  
  
• From: AlwaysRight (@ tproxy6.anet.net.th) on: Sat May 15 03:38:52 EDT 2004
  
  http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/may2004-daily/14-05-2004/oped/editorial.htm#1
  
  

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